These are ideas about the combat:

-Automatic Combat. If a player has the chance to fire at the opponent, this will be done without the user having to do any particular action.

-Combat Factors. The combat system should take into account the area where the players are, which weapon they hold in their hand, and possible maluses/bonuses coming from the player movement mode and the actions prior to the combat (such as item being picked up by a player).

-Awareness. Players should have an indication of where the opponent is, plus an indication of noise they hear (item pickups, player noise).

How about setting the opponents average aim percentages for different guns. So like you set an opponent to have an average of 40% lg and you have 30% so they have a higher chance of winning in a fight of equal stacks (Though you roll the dice so you still have a chance to win too).

Then you can have some sort of pokemon like formula that makes a close range rocket fight super effective against a railer or something.

Yes, that's something very well possible once the core mechanics are in.

Quake + RTS? combining two dead genres for maximum deadness? :D

Srsly tho cool idea I see what it's going for. Sometimes its hard to separate your thinking from the shooting and dodging part of the game and look at making the correct decisions and this kind of thing would focus solely on them.

why not tdm or domination. Duel would just be a moba, why not control 5 units.

i've always wanted a moba where you control the entire team

because tdm killed quake

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gl jump to red on ztn!

make it work on mobile!

yes, that's the plan.

Noiiice

Just for the record, I didn't actually do anything besides presenting the idea to the swiss mastermind.

i am truly shocked

pliss gif donation

Lies. I wasn't involved.

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Of zimbobwei

the_amazing_idea

download link does not work for me and btw. i lost your mobile number memento wanted to wirte you a while ago :D


edit: genuin question: why do you need a 3d plugin for that? it looks very 2d to me...

The link should be working, but I am using some magic hosting, so at times it's not....

as for the 3D stuff. Unity3d has this name because unity was taken already, but it's an engine you can use for 2d stuff as well.

i mean, great stuff, but why do you even bother? :D

It's fun doing it!

great stuff man, keep it up! :D

So you plan for this to have a player vs player mode, right?

I'm wondering how you intend to manage sound, item timers, enemy stack/weapon/ammo tracking. Sitting at the right spot for sound cues is an essential skill and I wonder how that could be translated.

Here's an idea for armours and MH tracking:
- You show the armours and MH icons and next to them how long before the next spawn (like QL's item timers)
- When the time goes down to 0, you don't display the 0, which is a way of saying "this item should still be up unless the enemy stole it when I wasn't close enough to hear it taken"
- If you didn't see/hear the pickup of an item for longer than 1 cycle (after the countdown went to 0), the HUD should show a question mark

The game could also simulate the level of knowledge you have of the opponent's stack, weapons and ammo. But I think getting the game to work human vs human should absolutely come first.

Cheers!

I don't like the icons idea, would make people lazy instead of teaching them to think by themselves, which is the whole point of this :D

I don't see how any part of what I suggested contradicts the goal as worded by Memento_Mori in the OP but I understand your point of view nonetheless.

I'm thinking of adressing the items the same way they are in game. If you are in the same area, you see the opponent pickup. If you are in an area adjacent/visible you hear it (there could be some visual language for that). The rest is up to you.

wut

Like P0rt but different.

nice man, i was thinking about quake being like a first person RTS the other day, there is alot of meta involved and i wreckon it would be quite fun :D

give keyboard control yo.

There could be binds for weapons and mode.

there should be binds for every single thing you can click on. I imagine a similar system to the one that keyboard-only browsers* use to replace clicking on links with the mouse, which is to display an overlay over all links on the screen that tells you the necessary bind to follow a specific link (example 1dead, example 2). In these programs, you trigger that display by enabling “hint mode”, but there’s no reason it shouldn’t be active constantly in your particular game.

* the examples are from the firefox plugins vimperator or pentadactyl, but there are also quite a few stand-alone keyboard-only browsers that do the exact same thing, such as qutebrowser, dwb, jumanji, vimb, and others. the zathura pdf reader also uses the same system to replace clicking on links in .pdf files.

Awesome idea, but to make it a real "RTS" (it's more like something turnbased now) it would be cool to program manual movement with an isometric view. Also solves the problem of combat, since you can have real-time combat with abilities like mobas do (maybe even add dmg multipliers for things like height advantage / chokepoints if you wanna go full-on complex). If you still think real-time combat like that requires too much execution, maybe have it so that abilities don't have to be aimed - so like if the enemy is in range and you press E, it will fire LG for 50 dmg.

Edit: Also solves the issue of sound.

lol wut?

this has to be the dumbest idea of all time

A brave idea, godspeed!

i had a similar idea a year or so ago, except combining quake resource management with turn based combat. i was trying to think of a way to reduce the ambiguities that netcode introduce into the combat.

the 'system' i came up with was essentially that the user could run around the map freely to collect items and such, but when within visual/auditory range of opponent could choose to trigger combat. from that point, it becomes similar to standard turn based rpg, where actions require points (such as switching weapons [so you want to have a good weapon out], shooting, moving, etc.) there could be some penalty for bad combat initiatives to reduce combat spamming.

player who initiates combat gets initiative. player being attacked is presented an opportunity to create a dodge pattern before attacker attacks, etc.

i think it would be a really fun game, and would be pretty simple for somebody experienced with quake 3 engine to create, but i don't know anybody who does, and i don't have the funds to sponsor such an endeavor. :(

after i had this idea, i started getting wild and expanding on it with abilities, such as shadow dodging, where opponent can create a 'shadow' of himself to present two targets while dodging, 'escaping', where opponent can use a technique to get out of combat, etc. they're all written down in a notebook somewhere. some of them seemed like they would be really fun.

I thought about this at some point too. However, i quickly rushed to the conclusion that there are too many variables, it's too complex and too dynamic. It certainly deserves respect that you are trying to formalise quake. I am very curious to see how it will play out.

Imagine doing this Reflex style with ingame timers and no seconds on the clock lol.

You could have gone to a shrink with the 10 euro's you spent on Reflex

Butthurt at truth much?
PS: I spent less than 5.

I would have liked to see a turn based approach, XCOM + QL inspired :) Unlimited fun.

But that's not what you're making, but at least I put it out there, in the universe.

This reminds me of myst, how do you get to the next island?

dreams come true

:D

\o/ @ special weapon

1. /timeout
2. tab out
3. consult Quake-RTS
4. /timein
5. ???
6. Profit )))

world of quakecraft? wtf

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It's awesome!

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Why not 2.5D? :D

I think it could be a lot of fun to play the game, but I don't see it becoming a very accurate tool to improve your metagame. There are just too many variables. For example you can RJ pretty much everywhere, and accuracy from position X to Y is constantly different for each position. I do think it could teach beginning duelers a lot of concepts and options on how to play.

Please add dm13 and the teleporter nadejump! ^-^

Please God yes this!

For reference, try DOOM RPG 1/2. id did a good job, they are a lot of fun. Playable on java phone or java emulator on PC

can this have RPG elements, ala fantasy league where you pick a player that has better stats with certain weapons and that reflects on battles won in certain spots on the map.

Just like SC2 where siege tanks rain supreme up on hills and so on.

"pick a player", maybe from a database like this one : http://esreality.com/post/227976/esr-manager-...ike-input/
- where in this process it would be required to first establish a good new database.

combining it with anonymous input (comment #29), where some players are able to execute certain actions faster than others - e.g. "aim" vs "brain" ability, whereas one ability provides perhaps more damage and the other ability provides faster decision making / more decision steps available for the character - under certain conditions - and so on.

i applaud you for the effort but i dont see this going anywhere gameplay/fun wise.

Oh shit, they were planning on making billions of dollars with this idea... I there goes their plans.

Why not simply make a chess-based 3D game? It's said that Q3 is the modern chess, so why not making it real?

Quake is hardly like chess, I think some people just say that to highlight that it can be strategic. Quake is alot like poker really, both players have incomplete information about their opponents and they must gain a stack to allow themselves to bet. The cards they hold is like the chance of winning a fight from a certain position with the weapon choice and folding is like running away.

but it's chess if both players use wallhack

checkmate.

chessmate

What information is incomplete? If you are comparing poker cards held to quake stack, then I'd suggest that top duellers always know quite accurately the opponents stack. So not really a fair comparison.

You can keep track of your opponents stack in both poker and quake if u choose to do so. Information is incomplete in poker because you dont see their cards just like in quake you dont see where they are on the map unless you have wall hacks (hence the jokes above you). Everytime their cards are shown in poker on the river is like engaging your opponent (and u see where they are).

The actual combination of cards like straights, flushes, pocket kings etc are like the combinations of position, aim, dodging etc.

It works with playonlinux on Linux.

Im too sleepy to understand this now, checking back latter.

TwitchPlaysQuake

Is this like Frozen Synapse with pick ups as resources and turn based combat? It'd be great and potentially better than quake itself. Kudos to you dev sir:)
A major problem would be dealing with different floors though, lI need toy with the cam.
I'd open the links you provided but my phone sucks


ok not frozen synapse

Thanks for helping communinity so much memento.always humble too.

Not sure this is helping anyone, but thanks!

Quake JRPG? I want to pick pro players to be part of my party.

Imagine all the equipable items, Cooler's pizza box - +5 to intelligence.

i am havin a much alot of fun with it guy well done with that work so far =] peace ins and mori

its down? :(

is there an opponent for this game yet?

Not yet. Had very little time lately.