Good luck!

Voted.

There, voted.

There's also the issue of desktop lag....
But I'll settle for this too.

yea they should bring back disabling aero

or at least have an option to disable vsync for aero

Aye

You could leave a comment about that at the MS link.

using my mx300 and aurora @ default pollingrates, but voted anyway.

the year is 2015, you're just a small bunch of geeks swearing by 13+yr old input devices, get on with the times lol.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2707670/petitio...pid2707858

Fuckin idiot.

this

stfu lol.

Pretty astonishing that a website dedicated to a 13+ year old competitive game would have enough clueless idiots to "+" such an ignorant comment.

Welcome to ESR, pluses and popularity status dont necessarily correlate with the quality of the post or poster.

windows 10 any good?

it's essentially 8.2

it is sugar coated cancer

Gave it 3 votes

Maybe someone with a clue could explain why overclocking the usb port is not possible anymore, which would also most likely explain why this petition will fail.

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-U...?forum=wdk
Last post.

Bottom line is, the driver that has to be patched is different on win8. Not TOO hard (for the MS devs, otherwise it's reverse-engineering = bothersome) to make that driver watch per-device registry keys that say "do your thing" or "enforce ****hz (say, 1000)", which'd be controllable via device manager, for example (that'd affect all USB devices). Haven't done this in particular, but sounds possible.

It would be nice if they allow some way to install whatever the hell I want (including unsigned drivers) on my PC without setting up test mode / disabling integrity checks / lalala.

Some info on why these signature enforcements don't really work:
http://www.techworld.com/news/security/digita...s-3345028/
Basically, stolen info + 100 bucks gives you one of these to do as you please.

...Plus all the additional "features" that are being forced down on users, like forced restarting (win8, or a reminder max every 4 hours on windows 7, etc) and whatnot. It's looking more and more like a mac, and not in the good sense :)

With driver security enforcement disabled and testing mode enabled it is possible to change the polling rate of USB ports in Windows 8 using the HIDUSBF.SYS driver, however, if you try this you will notice that you can only change the polling rate to frequencies of 125hz or lower.

Windows, by design, prevents older USB 1.x devices (i.e. mice such as WMO and IME 3.0) from having higher polling rates because it's not permitted under the USB standard (at least from what I've been told). Newer mice that use USB 2.0 are permitted to have higher polling rates and that's why many recent gaming mice have drivers that allow you to easily increase it. The culprit for the limit is the Windows USBPORT.SYS driver, which has checks to prevent USB 1.x devices from having polling rates of higher than 125hz. It needs to be reverse engineered and patched before you will be able to achieve higher polling rates on old USB devices.

So basically the USBPORT.SYS driver enforces the USB 1.x standard more strictly now, which prevents old mice from going higher than 125hz. And the poll aims at Microsoft removing that restriction because the alternative, reverse engineering and patching the driver would be a huge effort.

Well, objectively the USBPORT.SYS driver had been broken before for USB 1.x devices, and Microsoft finally fixed it. Sucks for the wmo users of course, maybe someone can hack it.

So basically the USBPORT.SYS driver enforces the USB 1.x standard more strictly now, ...

There's no mention of it enforcing it more strictly or being broken before (could be the case, but not allowing >125hz seems strict enough to me). The driver's image has changed between windows 7 and 8 (for whatever reason, might be that it has nothing to do with usb1.1x), apparently >> new "patch" needed :)

After digging through the USB 1.1 specifications I think you are right:

An endpoint for an interrupt pipe specifies its desired bus access period. A full-speed endpoint can specify a desired period from 1ms to 255ms. Low-speed endpoints are limited to specifying only 10ms to 255ms.
The USB System Software will use this information during configuration to determine a period that can be sustained. The period provided by the system may be shorter than that desired by the device up to the shortest period defined by the USB (1ms).

Interestingly, for USB 2.0 and 3.0 the lower limit seems to be 125 microseconds:

An endpoint for an interrupt pipe specifies its desired service interval bound via its endpoint descriptor. An interrupt endpoint can specify a desired period 2^(bInterval-1) x 125 microseconds, where bInterval is in the range 1 up to (and including) 16. The USB System Software will use this information during configuration to determine a period that can be sustained. The period provided by the system may be shorter than that desired by the device up to the shortest period defined by the SuperSpeed (125 microseconds which is also referred to as a bus interval).

>new "patch" needed :)
:) i defeat my lazyness

http://sweetlow.orgfree.com/download/hidusbf.zip

Added 2016/01/02:

1. Driver now compatible with Windows 8, 8.1, 10. And both USB stacks supported:
USB2.0 (USBPORT.SYS) and USB3.0 (USBXHCI.SYS)

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testing needed ;)
now i test only win 8 x64

I have tested it on my 2013 macbook pro running windows 8.1 and USB 3.0 ports. Thanks!

Ok, so all new OS are tested.

Great!

Would it be possible for you to mask mice as high speed devices with your filter driver? I. e. unlock microframe polling?

i think that many mice's mcus don't support high-speed usb... so probably not possible.

fake bus driver to think low/full speed device is high speed? such overclocking not possible - bus hardware protocols is different, AFAIK .

>unlock microframe polling
Testers wanted! ;)
See
http://www.overclock.net/t/1589644/usb-mouse-...ng-2000-hz

Madman. Will test as soon as I have access to my WIN10 machine.

W M O
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http://i.imgur.com/E3Hab1A.png
http://i.imgur.com/xWWsCdH.png

>i think that many mice's mcus don't support high-speed usb... so probably not possible

>such overclocking not possible - bus hardware protocols is different, AFAIK

You and I - both were wrong ;)

I've just tested this and it works flawlessly on windows 10 with an mx300. You are a fucking legend!

[+] Error: The target user can't receive judgements

:(

great!

Have you ever considered signing this driver with windows? How complicated and/or expensive would that be?

Never. But since binaries are in public domain - everyone can try to make this ;)

Did not expect this, awesome work!

Wait, older 1.1 mice can run with a higher polling rate now?

If so, this man is a legend

I strongly recommend to take new version in any case.

Added 2016/01/30:

1. Fixed bug in code of patching driver of USB3.0 controller (USBXHCI.SYS)
Bug can observed, for example, when USB audio device managed by USB3.0
controller stop working.

have my babies

buy a proper mouse

The wmo is a proper mouse.

was

was, is and will be for eternity

Edit: from happy user of DA 2013

If you only do quake it's good. If you browse internet for example, it's bad. :l No side buttons, superbad wheel, bad cable, not win8+ compatible, sensor sucks until you invest 4 hours into overclocking and then it's ok, ... It's cheap though, but for a reason :o) If you're using another mouse at the same time for desktop, wmo is doable but as the only mouse, no way I'd ever use it.

The WMO wheel is better than my zowie fk1 wheel. When using mice with side buttons I have never used them for going forward and backward but I have accidentally clicked them after filling stuff in for signing up for a website. WMO and ime 3.0 > all other mice.

It's just that the WMO wheel breaks quickly. Guess it's matter of preference then, but I think not having side buttons is super impractical D: And wmo is also difficult to find unless you opt to some ebay retailers!

I've had several WMOs but none had their wheel breaking. What I experienced with every of them though is that the wheel can easily "float" between two steps and will eventually fall on one side or another randomly. What do you mean by "broken"?

Makes annoying noises and skips steps just like you described. My wmo's wheel broke mechanically way too quick and I didn't abuse it or anything :l Yeah so if it floats between steps it's broken for me.

I also forgot to mention the zowie fk1 for me randomly makes me aim at the sky or ground. It doesn't do that on a solid black mousepad though. I have never had tracking issues like that with the wmo ever.

Side buttons while using the internet=A fapper's best friend(s).

What do you use them for? Forward, backward in browser?
Use fucking tabs, pleb ]:-)

so many tabs open

I do use tabs, not for every link I click though.

hf using it at desktop @ 1920x1080.

I do. I also prefer 400 cpi while using other mice that can do more. I can easily get everywhere on my screen with just a swipe of my wrist with 400 cpi.

inb4 RSI

You can make your case stronger by mentioning that this is not only useful for old mice, but new ones as well. Most come preset to request a certain polling interval, and if your mouse is not Zowie, chances are you need the device-specific software and driver to change the polling interval yourself. And most people don't like the often bloated and buggy software and drivers that come with mice.
With Logitech for example you have to run the software in the background if you want the interval you set to be kept as far as I know.

New mice support USB 2.0.

And that is relevant to what I said because...?

... apparently the 125hz limitation only applies to USB 1.x devices, see Lwerewolf's link.

Interesting. Well, if that is actually the case, excuse my ignorance - I only ever heard people say it wasn't possible at all and I personally had no reason to use anything but WIN7/Linux yet.

Even then, the hidusbf process is a pain and requires test mode and a third party driver while in Linux it's as easy as adding mousepoll=x to my modules.

Edit: Reading these posts again... You kind of didn't understand what I was saying. I meant that adjusting the polling rate is not possible in Windows 10 and how that would not only be a problem for old mice that need hidusbf, but new ones as well because with those you'd still need to use the the mouse driver and software.

Specifically it applies to Low Speed USB 1.1 devices. The Kana V1 is an example of a USB 1.1 mouse that identifies as Full Speed and runs at up to 1000Hz without any tricks.

Yes that makes sense. However, according to the USB 1.1 specifications, the lower limit for Low Speed devices is 10ms which equals 100hz. Where do the 125hz come from actually?

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/wind...85%29.aspx

The WMO specifies 10 (0x0A) as its bInterval. For low speed devices, values of bInterval between 0 and 15 are rounded to 8ms.

Thanks!

Pretty sure most of the good mice come with 500 or 1000 hz anyway.

I would rather windows 10 wasn't full of retarded gui options and ran faster.

I ain't moving from windows 7 for about 4-5 years anyway.

ur gay

Sounds like you should get an Xbox, not many options to worry about there :]

options > retarded options

So changing polling rate on your mouse would qualify as a retarded option in your opinion?

I can't see how anyone who isn't trolling would have something against the option of changing mouse polling rate.

I would rather windows 10 wasn't full of retarded gui options and ran faster.

I wouldn't mind polling rate settings but come on... Who will use that shit? 0.000001% of people?
Get ninox aurora. If Robin Hood can aim with it you can too!

Some (many?) usb devices such as keyboards stop working if you change the polling rate. Yes sure you can say that the OS should give the responsibility to the user but Microsoft products usually aim at the opposite.

If you want control over your own system, use Linux. More Linux users -> more games and software for Linux. Microsoft will only restrict the user more in the future.

I definitely agree, I dual boot Linux Mint atm. I'm looking forward to more support for games and software on Linux in the future.

>Pretty sure most of the good mice come with 500 or 1000 hz anyway.

You're wrong.

Practically every "gaming" mouse that has 500/1000hz has a horribly performing sensor.

Zowie FK2 owns, you don't know what you're talking about.

Pick up your aspergers and change the sandbox.

lol

so the intellimouse and mx518 are the only good performing sensors

The 518 is less accurate than the mlt04 mice. It's probably why you see most people with a 518 using really low sensitivity. At least in CS.

The DA 3/3.5g performs as well or better than the 518 too.

Less accurate =/= anglesnapping

I would rather windows 10 wasn't full of retarded gui options and ran faster.

A. We aren't suggesting 'retarded gui options', just the ability to adjust polling rate on usb ports.

B. There's no reason to believe 10 would be a slower OS with this support.

How is it relevant to irrelevant sentence from Jam?

hahah

Parallel port support please.

Im buying a fatal1ty mobo just for the overlockeable USB. I dont have any hopes with MS caring about this.

That's what I did :)

z87 killer ^_^

told the ceo to add a polling rate droplist to cp tab and aboout security permissions not inheriting when set manually years ago on the register

How can a person who can clearly code at a high level (apparently, assuming that Q4 mod was actually real) have some of the worst English gamma I've ever seen? Are you a foreign born British citizen or something?

quake 4 is`nt a hard level, the code is simple, its just a few classes and bool`s, no pure c++ or anything

fixing all the code and cleaning it all up is the more wow factor

nore more harder then a simple php website, if you understand the basics of how a c++ class work

being to just add what i have added and trully understanding it would be the wow thing, not the coding

the mod is real, you get Q43A http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a and the patch so the server does`nt crash when you shoot someone

id has coded 1000 functions to handle strings and vectors etc, and those functions are made easy

If anyone's missed it, sweetlow - the guy who made hidusbf, has updated his program and it now works on windows 8, 8.1 and 10. I've just tried it myself and it works 100 percent on an mx300 + windows 10.

You'll need to disable driver signature enforcement:

Disabling Driver Signature Enforcement In Windows 8 Permanently
Step 1. Open the Windows command promt as “Run as Administrator”.
Step 2. Run “bcdedit -set loadoptions DISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS” (without the “”).
Step 3. To finalize the process run “bcdedit -set TESTSIGNING ON” (without the “”).
Step 4. Reboot and you’re done.
To disable it do step 1 and run these commands on step 2 and 3:
Step 2. “bcdedit -set loadoptions ENABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS” (without the “”)
Step 3. “bcdedit -set TESTSIGNING OFF” (without the “”)
Then do step 4 and you’re done.

I did it this way because I don't think DSEO works on windows 7+.

After that right click on hidusbf.sys and install

Run setup.exe, tick the box next to the mouse you want to overclock, choose filter on device, and select the polling rate.

Restart

Enjoy!

http://esreality.com/post/2791566/n-a/#pid2708554

tl;dr; You can still be a fucking dinosaur and use your archaic 90's mice for windows 8+

rubbish, a droplist on control panel is good for any device, so you can use windows for anything midi, and usb lan can be like firewire with usb 3.0

that mark c fix work, the overclock remains on which ever port you had your mouse in

rocking this in your bedroom using windows,

http://toddmillett.com/wp-content/uploads/201...l-room.jpg

the host controller will cycle through ports, making each note 30ms off the tenth note the midi clock sent the note, and each port will be worse

mans have to wait and spend £3000 on a asynchronous audio interface to plug it all in or be a sissy and use a mac

startech has`nt even made a asynchronous usb hub to put it all in either, single port pci-e card and 1000mhz = everything on 1ms

Do you know if this makes it usable with ESEA? AFAIK ESEA blocks test mode or something.

ESEA does indeed block this I am sure

You can sign this driver for a fee, so it doesn't need test mode. I believe it costs little bellow 200 USD to do it. Someone should raise money and do it

They remade it so it is no longer a driver but are waiting to make sure it is stable before contacting anti cheats to see if it can be white listed. Source http://mouseaccel.blogspot.com/2015/12/new-me...ation.html

Thanks for the info! I can confirm it works with my WMO under Win10.

Hey guys, after running through some problems on Windows 10, it makes me wonder wether or not I should try linux... any of you running it? Is it that hard to learn and get confortable with the OS?

I think it's a pertinent question to the topic. As some say, it offers much more control over theses tweaks that lately Microsoft has locked for the users.

It takes some getting used to and some things are done a different way than you'd expect from your windows experience. If you run into problems you can just Google em and most of the time you'll find an answer rather quickly since there's a lot of documentation on major distros. The part that might bother you the most is that some software that you may be using now doesn't exist and doesn't have a decent alternative on Linux. Software which lacks the most on Linux is professional video and photo editing software, autocad and a good portion of video games. Majority of games that don't have Linux version can be set up to run trough wine, some will have better and some worse performance tho. There well over 1000 games for linux on steam. Games that work on Linux natively that might interest you are: all Id games except rage and latest wolfenstein titles and recently ql(tho ql runs pretty smooth in wine, so it can be played without much problem) anf all or almost all valve titles.

The only way to see if you'd like Linux is to install it and try using it. Most major distros give you an option while installing to install em along side windows automatically. I suggest you to do that first so you don't lose your windows partition if you decide that Linux is not for you

Should I go with ubuntu?

Oh, and thanks for the fast answer! wasn't expecting it!

Ye Ubuntu is a good choice

If you like the look of Mac OS X then go for Ubuntu. If you're used to Windows I think you will prefer Linux Mint Cinnamon desktop, I know I did. Those two are the best distros when trying Linux for the first time in my experience.

Some examples of issues I've run into with Linux is not being able to run two graphics cards in SLI, the graphics drivers only support one card atm. I have an old IE 3.0 mouse, in Windows I can clock the usb port to get it to run at 500 Hz, I haven't found a way to do that in Linux. The biggest thing holding Linux back right now imo is support for games, it's improving all the time. As an example I have 43 games on Steam and 27 of them are playable on Linux, all but two were bought before I tried Linux. I dual boot Windows for games that require it, when all games I want to play work in Linux(without using Wine to run them) I will remove Windows.

Linux is not hard to learn and get comfortable in, like anything else you need some patience in the beginning to get it set up the way you want but after that it's like running Windows. You probably have years of experience in Windows and none in Linux so you'll have to read up on how to do some things etc but there's information about everything online. It has improved a lot in recent years in terms of ease to use and games working in Linux.

To set 500hz polling rate: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_polling_rate

Nice! I'll try that out when I get back home after christmas vacation :]

edit: Here's a detailed guide for Ubuntu that works in Mint if anyone is interested: http://www.urbanterror.info/forums/topic/2184...on-ubuntu/

If you want a Windows 7 like experience I recommend Linux Mint. It is based on Ubuntu so it has all the software and there are thousands of howtos and help videos covering almost every possible question you could have. You can install it next to your Windows installation with 3 simple clicks. Ati/Nvidia drivers can be installed with another click.

It is of course ridiculous that id cut off Linux support for QL just when Linux gaming becomes more popular thanks to Steam OS. Another great decision by the management. But as Meph1stoo said, you can still run it.

So just give it a try, maybe you like it, maybe not. If you are lucky your fav games even run fine or better than in Windows.