imo, czm, stelam or proZaC/fox.

czm had all those l33t script binds, very impressive, also a very skilled player and thanks to him cK won a lot of tournaments.

Agreed

kash was better than czm

Czm all the way imo. Also, czm will be playing for 519 in the Quakecon CTF tournament coming up =).

CZM519 :P

Isnt cooller rather good at TDM also?

No, he isnt! :)

2vs2 they owned the world.. cooller and death..

Fox ahead of stelam? No way...

agreed.
todays players, fox and m1kes, come through too late for being rated in the same league as stelam prozac and czm.

Best -> prozac
by teams:

1st - Stelam, proZaC, Gopher, fox
2nd - Blue, Mikes, Mist, czm
3rd - Panicore, Kane, blokey, toxic

btw, doomer and lakerman should be in the list?

Lakerman was awful in q3tdm.

awful is a rather extreme expression isn't it?

He was a great help to his clan mates in All* when he used the rail as no one.

No he wasn't.

senti? :<

if you dont choose mikes your stupid!

get a clan with Polos, power, mikes and cooller and watch them rawx all!

Fox, fair enough hes good on dm6, as long as hes got the rail, but....
hmm won't make a diff so ill shut up.

im stupid
kthxbye

are you serious?

i have no clue \o/
heard a lot about fatal1ty so i voted him :)

lol idiot ;]

http://gpwmb.virtualave.net/funscreens/nicole/bla/bunny.jpg

http://www.real1ze.com/fun/you.gif

rofl :)

LOL ... :)))

pardon me?

u heard him...

vinkie why dont u stfu for some time, and get rid of ur "oh i know everything" attitude dude

Nicole - Vinkie: 1-0

yes, dunno why but yes

;)

i bet u did

dont think u are, know you are

phetatic!

thats the only downside with girl gamers. they know fuck all!! :D

lol

erm lol :P

unmatched gogogo

looking at the poll, proZac has the highest number of votes. respectable, but highly arguable. we're talking about -ever-. i know i'll get flamed for this, but the guys that taught the world what q3tdm is about are czm and wombat. thinking back to the teamplay.net events and the eql, it's a close call between those two. even at frag4 when the europeans introduced the cessing/all-aim style that eventually took over, the pragmatic stylings of these two individuals that set the tones for their teams (and the standard for the world) eventually and almost in totality persevered versus the arcade europeans. it seems as if czm understood the finer workings of tdm concepts in relation to map structure better than most players can even imagine. and wombat had such amazing clarity in view of the "big picture" that locking down half of a map looked effortless. i'm no fanboy, these are my friends. but i know exceptional feats when i see it. sure the newer greats are, well...great. but i'm one to always go back to the roots of the games where everyone was experimenting and developing the methods that are so popular today. proZac was the greatest tdm player of last year, and probably fox or another ic member this year. but i give the most credit to those that dazzled with their innovation, not repetition.

oh, and i voted for wombat. figured i'd give my vote to a human, not a robot.

"my vote to a human, not a robot"

:)))

I agree with cAd_will, because it reflects why I chose, the player I did, or maybe should i say.. the thought process that I went through. I chose boodah, because he's a greatly underestimated player and he's great to watch.. like czm and wombat he also influenced the early quaking world a great deal and brought some more style to the action. If I could place 5 votes it would be : czm, boodah, zero4, wombat and stelam.

The poll is about the greatest tdm player ever, not the best aim, the best thinker, the best this or that, but the tdm players that most influenced the scene and brought the newest ideas to the scene. TDM is really hard to understand and to see the "big picture" as will mentions is exceptionally hard, with 8 players including yourself playing the fastest paced fps game there is on one map. All with the ability to frag you at the drop of a hat.

Alot of people just pick who they've seen this year, or the year before, because alot of people didn't join the q3 scene until last year or whatever, maybe we should have a poll on when you started q3? e.g. summer 2002 winter 2000 etc.

Not all the tdm players are even on there as was mentioned above, I'm sure there are more though I can't think who.

qw and cpm are faster paced

"but the guys that taught the world what q3tdm is about are czm and wombat"

The US scene never took TDM to anything like the level it reached in Europe. czm didn't teach the world because his pickup style of individual play isn't used. The best player has to be a european and of the euros prozac has achieved the most.

SteLam?

Give some examples please, czm and womabt were around before anyone else.. they were setting up the scene for everyone else. Europe = superior at tdm. Yes, that's true.. but only for the last year or 2

a quality response, but it has a feeling of "new-school" to it. if you don't know about the overall influence of american tdm, then either you weren't paying attention when clans like cK and stx were schooling everyone hands down or you haven't experienced enough of the american side of things to be so certain. american tdm never got to the level it did in europe due to waning interest. high interest levels, new players, and low pings keep q3 much more alive in europe.

sure, proZac did great things for tdm, but honestly all he influenced was mg cess and overuse of smiley binds. what seriously disturbs me about this individual is the clanhopping he 'promoted'. if you're gonna talk about influence, you can't just look at his in-game performance. his overall attitude towards the game and his clan has to be considered. i can't even begin to keep track of all his clans. that's not the example a top tdm'er should make. he's a great player, but it seems that his biggest accomplishment was to refine and become proficient with a style that had already been proven by others. you can't honestly criticize czm for 'pickup style' and then nominate prozac as greatest ever. prozac is the epitome of pickup. he even advertised it in a QPO interview a year ago.

czm joined cK, played with them for 3 years through thick and thin, and didn't leave. he's playing with 519 for some ctf event coming up, now that cK is inactive in q3.

wombat has been one of the stickmen since the qw days.

end of story.

agreed, but i'd honestly want to see Xenon on this list

I think Unmatched is the team that gave the much to the whole TDM experience. They pretty much reinvented the whole way TDM was played after each of the Eurocups.
I wouldn't say that Europe was all cess and aim around Frag4 time :o Was just that Europe's best teams weren't represented and the team that got the most attention was a ffa team that was put together right before the event but still managed to become 3rd.
Not that I don't agree that Wombat wasn't a great player :o Just think ppl/clans like DOOMer (Allstars), Unmatched, Unreal/Vikings-> DM7 had contributed alot more to the whole TDM experience.
But I don't think this poll is about who pushed TDM the furthest, just about who has the best aim and net, so I voted Stelam :p Eventhough he probably did the least of the planning of strats in U/SK.

i can't disagree with your selection of teams. and you're right, this poll is mostly regarded by "net/topshots minders" as fh|killy calls them :)

you couldn't be wronger with your guess about stelam's part in strategy. :)

fully agree :)

well I didn't know tbh. usually the best aimer of the team is the one that does the least coordination work :p just based my assumption of EC4 finals where I had headache of sitting next to sl1nger as he was the only that shouting 24/7 :)

Das quad kommt! Schiesse!

Yodaz right on man.. I watched some demos of games. I must say czm is by far the best tdmer i have seen play. i seen kana rape hardcore in games, but when it came in organising the team play czm just play so well. Just watch any cK games like 2 years ago or so. He made fat seem like a drone in the clan.

Actually, proZaC wasnt that big of a clanhopper, he looked like one because his team changed names again and again. Actually he played for 3 teams, All-Stars, he managed to get twice to the lan finals with them, the p1mps(aka: eSports/2easy/sca) and QPO, with them he won LA7. I can't really call him a clanhopper because of that. But stelam, sl1nger and zyz also played for two diffrent clans.

The Quake3 tdm scene is more active in europe then in America, So that explains the more moving from diffrent players in europe I guess.

Perhaps DOOMer is a played that should be there too, together with tech who was also very good.

That is incorrect. He played a whole eurocup in Meton too.

2 Players that i watched demos in theyr top lvls... and i thinked(my god , they rule this game so bad that no other player actually have 80% of his skill in TDM)... Were FOX and PROZAC...

czm without a doubt, the only other that comes to mind is stelam.

The list should look like this.

fox - I mean.. look at him. Very stable fragger. Almost evertime he gets the highest net.
gopher - Also very stable, a real retainer.
desp - Also a net-topshooter
prozac - Insane MG.
opium / Mist

and net/topshots is EVERYTHING in tdm, of course.

think be4 you write silly comments

he means the guy can aim on the interNET as well as on lan imo

That alone doesn't make him the best tdmer ever either :)

LOGIN and read my comment before you post a silly, anonymous comment. he wrote specifically about 2 different individuals, praising them for their ability to post high net/topshots. i commented directly at those -two- statements. thank you.

your still not understanding what i'm saying are you.

then again, we're talkin SWEDISH internet, which's as close to lan you can get :/

yes, i know your swedish, and that prozac can empty a whole magazine of mg into his opps mouth at half a mile away, but aim does NOT make the bets TDMer of all time. czm, aim? not comparable to any of the top 100 railers, but STRATEGY is the keyword here. may end up last in the NET ranking, but probably saved each players ass a number of times and kamikazied the enemy quad and defended items to death, while at the same time controlling everyones position and movements at the risk of getting fragged slightly more.

majestic , ur sounding smart for once

amen & [+] for that

yes, it almost frightened me.

LOL ;D

amen.

Ehm... czm has freakin' awesome aim. One of the best shafters in the world no doubt.

slightly swedified list uh :f

somehow Im not surprised this is a comment by swede ;)

koeka !! :P

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if i could vote for u r1d i would do it :P

well obviously :P

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CnS for evah baby :]

I wouldn't :)))

ProZaC, no doubt about that

second comes Stelam

Mikes > Cooller > *

If you don't agree - you are clueless monkey.

Yes yes, we've all seen ProZaC, Toxic, FOX and even Stelam in action, but please..

russian twat :P

Go and see some of Mikes's demos. For example: ospdm5 vs IC..

go and see some proZaC/SteLam Demos instead :P
<<voted for czm. the tdm-evolution itself. i love stelams style and proZaC's funny faces on photos but nothing comes close to this amazing machine like cAd_will said :)

doesnt prove shit :>

shame on you
you should be telling him to watch mikes's game vs SK @ cpl cologne
really LOVED it while being there at cologne
even the german audiance loved it, how mikes owned SK

http://www.cyberfight.ru/site/demos/3202/ ?
nah, ic demo is better =p

tbh, cooller fucking blows in tdm.
he's the #1 dueler in the world but come on.. he never was much of a tdm'er. mikes on the other hand is up there.

If anyone can explain to me in what parallel universe fatal1ty could be a better tdmer than Mist I'd be much obliged.

it is yet to be anounced: after the fatpad and the fatbeanie, now coming along is the fatuniverse where he's not just the best tdm'er but on top of that even the world's most admired dancer!

/me

:o
tough choice..

where is blokey?

somewhere with the rest of the 'good' players, not the greatest.

Wow, gopher GREATLY underestimated

well, in a none-favoritism poll, gopher would have 0 votes. if you can only pick ONE BEST TDMer OF ALL TIME would it be gopher? doubtful. not even he would vote so.

Yes, I admit gopher is probably not the BEST but he's better than some of the ones above him in votes, maybe the ic fanboys all voted for fox :)

fatality was a bag of pooo.

my vote goes to prozac.

i also always loved watching luke demos.

Best TDMer is/was proZaC and best lineup would look like this; Stelam, proZaC, Mikes, fox.

i voted paracyde ;\ but i didnt see toxic HOW DO I CHANGE MY VOTEEEEEEEE

I would say there's a couple of different types of players, that's for sure.

My vote went to fox. He always play stable, consistency is what marks a true champion. He also plays a very intelligent game. Not only does he do his own job, he also does a great deal to get the other parts (read players) of the team to work as a unit.

Other candidates in my eyes would be proZac, mikes.

Take a minute and consider the p1mps line-up once again.
Just got to think of it.

The poll also leaves a lot of names out, and I'm aware of that it can't have every name there. But how can you forget names like Senti, Seka, Tech etc.

How about to have an option called "Other..."

There are so many names missing from this list. This is a pretty stupid poll.

Well, how about offering some suggestions then? It's not like we can't add more names.

but i don't know if you're willing to go through the trouble of rescinding votes...

u big boy...

Litzer is there but not LakermaN?

Give me one good reason why I should add lakerman, instead of litzter :P

LakermaN => Duel player
litzter => Top TDM player, remember the dm6 game when he pld for Eyeballers at the first EuroCup and CPL London where he was very good. He also pld with 4K at LA7, which was not a big succes, but still, it stays one hell of a player.

LakermaN sure is one of the best quakers ever, but TDM, he pld one eurocup season or perhaps two, and he managed to be at the lan final for one time.

Because LakermaN was the best player in the best clan for quite a while (Allstars)?

Best in 1o1, I don't remember watching any good tdm demo from him.

proZaC was the best TDM player of Allstars without any doubts, to bad that lakerman was able to play at only one tdm tourney, which was EC2, duel was more his thing tho.

prozac was becoming better at the end, yes. But at the start he was unknown. No point in arguing though, it is too late to add LakermaN to the poll

Allstars were NEVER the best clan, they lost to 9 on LAN and then iC and unmatched at ec so how were they even close to the best?

They lost two games, so because of that they cannot have been the best for a while? Great thinking

Correct imbecile, they lost every competition they played in so unsuprisingly I think that qualifies them as DEFINATELY not the best tdm team at any point in time. Just because you fanboy all the players doesn't alter reality.

i saw 1 (one) game of litzter but i knew him for ever afterwards while not hearing anything of him... it was about the first (?) demo with audioshoutcast included :) and litzter seemed to hit all his rails und you could hear him laugh through the audio and the commentatory said so and laughed too and it was just so nice :D
/me digs for that demo

dunno yet for who i vote but i guess stelam

[e]hrm, dunno how to look for it... anyone knows which clans played? was it EYE vs SK?

ye i believe it was some eye vs sk demo on dm6 where he hit like 70-75% railgun, its 2-3 years old though. Lakerman was never even close to litzters skills tbh =)

panicore, stelam, czm, fox & toxic = top 5 ever :p

mikes & cooller own badly too, but russians already own q3 duels scene so they wont complain ...i guess ('~')

I know this may sound stupid, but i think cooller is not good at tdm as he is in duel. I think Fox prob best, but then again i've never seen prozac play. Can some1 recommend he's best demo in tdm.

Search for LA7 demos, the qpo s9jruz pov.

Think panicore should get more praise than prozac. Ummm panicore won Eurocups with ic...he was part of p1mps also and if I remember correctly done better than prozac in the games they played.

dont think he won any eurocups with ic (2nd place)

and prozac also got very high in eurocups with All*.

Actually not, proZaC won LA7 with QPO, won EC5 with p1mps, played twice with All* at a lan finals(ended second and third(ec2/ec3)).

panicore: second at EuroCup3 with ic, second at LA7 and first place at CPL London.

Not that its bad what panicore did, but pro's results looks a bit better:D

Panicore has never won a Eurocup (he wasn't in the starting lineup for p1mps that won the Eurocup as I remember) while proZaC has.

learn something new everyday :)

hey dudes .. no lakerman ? have u forgotten the all mighty all* ?

if i had to choose 5 , those would be : blue , stelam , prozac , czm and kane/zyz :) ...
btw im not german nor a swedish whity! peace !

make sense pls

CZM is a great strategist/thinker with tons of raw talent, he has proven he is one of the best at both duelling and TDM

CZM is without a doubt one of the best, but some people such as his teammates are overlooked, such as OUIJA this is a man with tons of "big game" experience who pulled off lots magic moments when they(clan kapitol) needed it

Props to czm/ouija/spook/fatal1ty for making the list, it doesn't surprise to me see one of the most dominating quake3 tdm lineups have the entire squad nominated as the best ever :)

American teamplay, even with CZM playing a major role is kinda boring for me ;) His 1v1 demos imo are much more fun to watch, especially those on t4.
I prefer some swedish style, but I voted for Mikes ;) And I must say that Gopher is really underestimated. Too bad only one player could be chosen to be 'best' :)

well it does say BEST and not MOST ENTERTAINING

Do you think player can be best if his team is far from being best? ;) (just my point of view) We talking about WORLD here, not USA only...

wrong reply?

given the quality choice here he's not the only one underrated: zyz for example is as fine a tdm'er as one can be for he really played for the team and the team only (fine attitude, too)... maybe he'd be something like the "best fifth man ever".... =D

Well, theres some name that always be the best in my opinion and that's lakerman. He did, although, quit quite early and that may have some infection on what I voted for (well, he isn't even in this poll *doh* but anyways).

There's only one problem with this Poll I think..

(I guess) Most of the Americans voting for american names such as fatality, czm etc, and the europeans mostly voting for european names... why? Patriotic fucks, THAT'S WHY!
:P

But since the scene has been dominated by Sweden from the very beginning I had to choose one of those MANY topplayers we've got. Prozac don't have the right to win this poll I think. fox is the one worth this title, with his tactics... omg. It's sad that he lived in that small fucked up place so that he was taken the chance to dominate while laker and the other guys were fighting.
The russians are worth much credds for the many new stuff they have brought into the scene (high five to LeXeR, cooller and Pele).

Well, there's one more thing to think of in this poll. Sweden has 8 million citizens, comparing to Americas huge amount. That don't seems to really matter, 10/35 players in this poll shows us that Sweden have been dominating the scene from the beginning. Whohooo! OWNED!

i always use that citizen fact in coversation hehe owns everytime ;)

yeah, fuck those patriotic fucks!!! go blokey!! ROFL

Actually, I voted for czm:p

sweden has had great teams not doubt, but remember the unmatched (later half sk) crew that won the eurocuup three times in a row. my favourites are stelam an prozac. stelam has won so much and was the smartest player around. agressive when needed and calm and smart as hell when being in danger.

you say "since the beginning" when your views, and those of over half the people replying to this thread clearly indicate that most of you haven't been around watching the tdm scene closely for more than 2 years. it's a shame you weren't informed about the US showing everyone how to play tdm for the first 2 before it went inactive.

btw, hazzi should be included in that poll imo, another really good tdm player :)

well, my turn.

hmm, i joined the quake scene slightly behind schedule, if you will, but i have witnessed many demos from before i started.

czm: Has tonnes of experience, is dominant in almost every game he plays. Helps the team in an inumerable number of ways, in game and off. Insane strategic knowledge. The known worlds best config expert award.

fox: Hardly seen any of his TDM demos, so no comment :/

prozac: Hw proved that he has the capability of taking a whole clan, (well, not all by himself) to win a world championship. He shows great map control in almost every game, and always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Best LAN karaoke award.

kane, stelam, slinger, para, zyz: deserve very muchly to be enlisted here, because of the 1n54n3 1337 5k1llz they pulled off in their games.

blokey: poor fellow, he is just at the wrong place at the wrong time in his games, and doesnt get to show his skillz. gone down hill IMO :_ Mist: never seen any demos ://///

panicore, toxic, lakerman, blue, doomer, gopher, xorgal, fazz: THESE GUYS OWN!!!

Joyce: never heard of him :D

ck team: THESE GUYS OWN TOO BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE OTHER GUYS!!!

mikes: only seen a few demos but VERY impressed, as i also am with polos and slightly less with power.

well, thats it for me and my lovely spammz0rz.

lol man majestic :P it seems you know shit about the most players :)

: /

But, joyce owns!!
IMO the best vikings player :)

hazzy :) ?

hmm.. joycerus was more or less their "insane aim" guy.. I always thought more highly of yodaz and hazzi, the tactical ones.. although they both went on insane killing sprees from time to time :-)

even though he is probably not the best, blue is a legend in my mind, maybe because of all the mystique that surrounded him, and the fact that he quit so .

Where is HaZZi? imo one of the best players ever..
But stelam was the best, together with stelam

...and let's just not forget about stelam, third of the stelam-brothers....

I have no clue :| I voted zyz since i enjoy his demo's but most of the players listed i've never seen in action.

a poll I love :)
TDM is my mod and will always be my mod :)
just love it

ok the poll then...

Its a really hard one as I enjoyed demos from alot of people... prozac, stelam, zyz, fox, gopher, toxic, mikes kane, litzter, czm, zyz... oh shit, im summing up the names in the poll :/
so hard to pick one

hmm cooller ownz em all in both 1v1 and tdm :X

Mikes.

followed closely by pruttzi and stelam.

Also gopher toxic blue (go swe =) kane, zyz, I really liked coollers tdm play before he became more of an 1v1 player.
The only one playing the american approach to tdm, who I enjoyed to watch, was wombat.

nice poll!

wtf, prozac fan boys...


he was a know one till in all*s (probably because blue/laker were more popular) but i voted for all round performance, and how long theyve been in the scene.

chose toxic.

well im going to upset lots of people now .., but ive seen some interesting comments in this nice poll ( TBH ! :)

fox = all pdm6
fox = all rail

tbh , i dont like fox's playing style .. hes one of those 'gimme a rail and frag away' player , he whores the armors/weapons (look @ demos .. the guy has almost all the weapons every single time when u look in team overlay when the other 3 have sg/mg) ..

hes just an amazing fragger/item timer , not an amazing TEAM player imho , hes someone a team counts on (remember that one sweden game) but not for his TEAMing skills but for his amazing frag sense + I always get the feeling when hes low on health he rather avoids fights instead of (czm way) defend the red armor , he compensates it in damage given but still ..

respect for his aim but i voted czm .. the only guy that showed us to play tdm like its supposed to be played.

ps. i know my english sux and i dont give a rat's ass ;)

Thats why the others in ic praise him for being a great teamplayer... ok

its a friggin clan , ofcozz they love eachother

/me smashes head

meaning he owns as a teamplayer.

check EC7 final demos
ospdm5/cpm4... fox also way up ahead

still , i dont argue his skill .. im just stuck with the feeling fox is 'low-health-runner' instead of 'defend whatever i have to defend , net comes second'

maybe tdm is pld in other way now , dno .. imho hes not the best ever

Well... I've seen fox aim about as good as it gets today with every weapon in the game, not just rail, so your railonly statement is wrong.

And fox does defend the Red Armor when he can. It's only when he would have died anyway that he prefers to run away (and thus keep his weapons in order to be able to take the RA back when he's asked to). No point in staying at RA if the enemy gets it anyway and you lose your weaps. Some people tend to think that he sucks at teamplay just because he's got aim (clueless ones like you).

Yes, I voted for fox, flame me.

make me

kash was like a hybrid of boodah and czm. played like a net whore and understood the inner intricacies of tdm like czm, but at the same time was way too aggressive for that part of his game to really shine or for him to really care about it as much as he cared about taking your head off. but you'd look at league stats and his eff would somehow still be around 70 and his net would be 2x higher than anyone on his team at the end of the season. and then at times he was laughably reckless, like boodah on crack, but his absolutely absurd aim and his weird ability to side-step & dodge everything up close usually let him get away with it (i.e.: rail vs plasma or machine gun vs rockets up close and he'd win). he also had the best aim of any NA q3 player I'd ever seen. his style seemed more apt for the european scene than the american scene though.

But I didn't even know of him until I saw him own that first kit tournament and then he dissappeared like 6 months later after that. I don't think he was even around for a year, so he can't be taken seriously for a poll like this, but he was still my favorite player to watch.

u got any demos of that man? :)

here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=219218 - this is his most popular one

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=264884 - i saw in another thread that this was his last game of q3.

i think there's more on here, but I can't find them at the moment.

where is doomer?

ouu shit where is opium??? i waned to vote for him!!! wtf sizah??
ok. i will pick fojji, desp, prozac and pow3r (teh my irl friend)

I believe the reason Fatality is being chosen so much, is because some people may read it wrong, like I did. Its late, and when I read it, I immediately was thinking best overall q3 player ever, not best tdmer... Oops, count one of those votes for fat mine, and I wish I could change it, becuase thats not true. While Fat is good at TDM, definetly not the best TDMer... It would have to be czm or prozac or fox...

i cant believe kane is so low rated here.. i remember everyone were saying he's the number one for so long.. i guess all new poeple nowadays here

i remember one demo.. 60+ % rail.. and he died 5 times in 20 minetes.. good oponent too, man fox aint got shit on this guy

. but i voted prozac.. love u man

totally agree with you

litzter :]

Where is opium? I want to pick him in this poll!!! FFS GET THA OPI BAK!!

I never seen a clan playing LAN and I think you can tell then who is best leading/directing theother players.. but from all demos I watched I wouls say maybe czm or pro ?

I think current order is a pretty fair reflection - prozac's got the maddest aim and the most aggressive/adaptable style. Something about him which doesn't just make him a good player at the top level, but also a match winner.

fox's aim is awesome - better than prozac's - but not as quick.

stelam... I think he'd be a whole lot more effective if he played same style as prozac/fox/czm :)

personal top 4

1. prozac
2. fox
3. mikes
4. toxic

d3sp =)
nice sg

I'm frankly very surprised zero4 is so high on the list, let alone on it at all. I love the guy as a dueler, but I don't recall him ever doing anything special in tdm. My guess is his popularity in 1v1 is getting him votes from people who don't know any better.

Maybe people think about his ctf skills ;)

He's a great TDM player as well, i think. I once watched a demo where he and boodah owned fox and fazz really badly. However, the dominating player in this match was boodah who truely is a great tdm player, so i would've loved to vote for him, but i spotted stelam on the list :)

1. czm
2. fox
3. zero4

yeah z4 just OWN tdm...

may be tdm just owns zero4 ?..

that was kinda my point...

I think it's hard to tell now, I don't think there's such a thing as a best player ever, they all belong to their own era imo.

Just looking at ice climbers, you can notice different eras. At the very begining I remember panicore leading the team with his monster rocket skill, then it was toxic's turn, then gopher's (fragged by gopher.avi), and now fox. But I couldn't tell who's the best between those, if I had to pick it would be cause of their playing style. So that'd be toxic or panicore I think, no offence to gopher and fox who are great players but their playing style just shows how q3 is completely rail oriented nowadays, I miss the kind of stuff panicore used to pull on dm6.

You can see the same progression in russia, going from power heavily rocket oriented playing style to mikes who's all rail guy. Picking between the two, I think I'd pick power, more entertaining to watch.

Looking at all this I think you can say q3's gameplay has flaws, the game turned into a complete rail fest while it was a lot more entertaining to watch in the begining. The game followed a progression completely opposed to qw, making recent demos more boring to watch than the old ones. As for picking the best tdm player ever, I think I'd go for any old school player, so toxic/panicore/stelam/power, since their style is by far the most entertaining and still kinda effective ;)

>hazzi should be on this list me thinks :)

*cough* where's cooller? *cough*

yodaz!!!

DOOMer was by far the best team player I've ever seen, after that comes czm and koekie :PP allthough koekie never became famous he was extremely good in tdm tactics wich makes him nr3 :P
and btw tdm isn't about getting high nets that can easily be in the teams tax, the best fragger gets a gun from his teamies and most likely an ra as well, every time quad spawns so no wonder they'd have the highest nets.... tax all the way (therefor it's so hard to pick the best teamplayer)

I'd vote for Xenon or Blue, end of story.

lol.. cAd_will how lame are you ? what do you think prozac was the best from the beginning, has been best for years and still is one of the best. And sure czm is prolly good in America, but face it america suck on TDM, fox, gopher and prozac would prolly win any american team 3on4.

you're simply retarded. go read a q3 history book. reply when your testicles have descended and they've grown enough hair for you to be able to login and hold a decent conversation.

Voted for Kane due to his INSANE LEET RALING HAX0R PERCENT at 68.1 he had in a cup fixture once... can't remember witch one though. :(

hm, can anyone tell me why there are no finns included in that poll? i'm sure that there are at least one or two finns good enough to be in such a poll (remember ars moriendi..)

Pure innovation: I didn't vote for a compatriot

I think there are different 'best players' on different maps:

dm6 -> fox
dm14 -> zyz
dm7 -> blokey
cpm4 -> stelam
ospdm5 -> ?

fazz =D

ospdm5: gopher
:D :D

dm6 -> fox
dm14 -> fox
dm7 -> fox
cpm4 -> fox
ospdm5 -> fox

So true... though few people will see his tactical skills behind his aiming skills...

nice list - how about Mikes for osp5?

sorry but i owned you all when i was elite ! ;)~~
/x0rg4l

Chargal!!! unf unf :)
/PaniCore

Right, in Arctic Lights? :)

stelam ...... he is the best :)

It seems forZe|Mikes should have been no.1 seed. Close!

Well this is my way of thinking:

When SteLam was active, he managed to win 3 EC's with unmatched. That says pretty much. He oppened the gates for many by ALWAYS, in every single match and cup, totaly dominate the map(s). It didn't matter who unmatched faced, SteLam was always the best player on the map.
I might be wrong here, but he participated in 4 EuroCups, and won 3 of them? And upon that, strategic as well as a aim-whore. He is (imo) the best -ever-. Don't think he stands a chance against the best today though (fox, gopher), but its hard to compare yesterdays players, with the 'new' ones.

Then we have proZaC. And the most remarkable thing with him is that he, during all his year as a pro gamer in q3, ALWAYS have been up there, and always been the topfragger as well as tactic player in every clan he played with.

Those are the two absolutely best titans; they started out early, they inspired many to start playing. And both prozac and stelam is the two most valuable of all players.
But then its quite hard to say the third.

Fox and m1kes. They are probably one of the best atm, but does that makes them to the best ever? nah, they'll never reach prozac and stelam's standard. No one else will.

BUT, of course, my biggest respect to czm, who took his clan to highness and grace. he goes in as the third best ever, if you ask me that is.

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I just have to mention one last thing about all this.. Poll-mess:

It's all individual, but more important: it's even more natural to make the vote, based on where you are from as well ...
Meaning that mostly Americans vote for their heros: czm, Wombat and Spook (why isn't bloodshot in the list btw?) and the europeans vote for their players: SteLam, proZaC and zyz. (just examples)
This is a fact, and its obvious that we compete in some sort of hidden 'We_just_try_to_prove_that_we_have_the_best_players'-spirit, which make me sick.

Therefore I think we should split this poll in two parts: Best europe tdm-player, and best american tdm-player.
Well, that's just my opinion and im sure that ppl's gonna start blaim me for.. whatever :)

2 EC's with unmatched + one with SK

No frenchies ???

thefou all the way !!!

Nice aim, not rail-oriented, dedicated to his team.

But if he is not the most known tdmer, he is surely the absolute best ctfer (looking forward to quakecon expect him to be the best capper)

Other picks would be prozac and stelam, fox also is a great player but railwhore boring style so doesn't deserve the title of best player.

dedicated on what team? :o

Polosaty......

polos1ty and fatalatiy!!!!!

sigh. this poll got posted on russian cyerfight and now russian pre-teens are completely spamming votes on mikes.. thank you retards

kill yourself

and you're going to be un-biased and make the same comment about swedes, right?

Alot of great players too choose from the list. But other great TDM'ers such as Godsmurf from Cicatrix, or Devil from ForZe gets my vote. Even tho I only mention about 3 players, any of these guys could be the great TDM'er at any given day, or based on their expirences and skill.

Not to mention tactics & intelligence

were is sujoy & hakeem????
=)

Look who's laughing now, peons!

why dont a poll like:
"Which country is you favorite?"
It will do the same result as this one...

zyz n toxix

u forgot to add Blackout
he's in the top 8 all time greatest q3tdm players ...

+ FOR YOU

Polosatiy - best player
Polosatiy - the best player ever
RussiA!!!!!!!!!

is it like a law in russia, that you have to be refrain from making any arguments, and otherwise act completely childish? :)

sup polosatiy..

Like Sampo wrote, SteLam won 3 Eurocpus. Someone wrote that Sweden dominated from the start which is quite stupid considering that german teams won ec 2, 3 and 4.
They were all lead by SteLam, so saying that he is the best ever is a good choice for me. Maybe fox is better nowadays, but the poll is about the best ever, and not the best today.
After SteLam, czm and ProZac are fair choices on the 2nd and 3d places, regarding their success in tdm.

Just throwing in one ommission that I think should be on the list followed by a few reasons to back it up.

a|lantern

why:
1: Instrumental in creating the basic four maps(dm7/dm6/dm14/dm12) that teams *still* play today. It is something to think about, but were it not for him, arguably, one of the best tdm maps (dm14) might not have existed at all.
2: Just as stx/ck in NA were influencing the east coast, his involvment was influencing the entire west coast. During QIL4 his ideas on dm6 lead to a new way for quite a few teams to emulate. Witness it was abuse's most productive map the entire season and did not lose a dm6 in the qil4 finals. Much like ck had dm7, stx had dm14..abuse had dm6.
3: Much like czm, the game revolved around the details. Timing, controlling and playing smart took center stage vs raw rail aim.

Notes to ponder on NA vs EU scene. Both scenes were very competative with each other up to about the babbages/qil4 finals. Why? At the babbages event abuse vs allstars in a team game on dm6 went into double overtime with allstars winning by 1-2 frags. Allstars went on to get 3rd in the eurocup with plenty of best of 5 series going all 5 games, abuse finished 4th at qil in close matches. Which overall team was better would depend on the map, the mix of players and who was just "on" that day. Point is the scenes were very close.

After that the EU scene kept playing whereas the top NA teams retired, took an extended break or dropped off the map altogether. Today the EU scene is unquestionably better (due mostly to raw aim), wether that equates to producing the most influential player of all time is not up to me to decide.

if i remember correctly, stx owned dm6 the year of qil4 on the east side. and unfortunately, a match for 3rd place between stx/abuse wasn't held. as stx had been owning cK on dm6 throughout that event, the past couple of events, and the concurrent event - eql, i don't think there was much doubt (as far as speculation goes) that stx would have taken abuse rather handily on dm6. i don't know how well you recall, but abuse was heavily regarded as the dm12 team (though stx were also quite strong on that map as well).

but ya, lantern owned in tdm.

i consider stelam & kane the two best tdm'ers in q3 ever =>

actually, i think its quiite hard to choose the BEST tdm player.. tdm is a teamplay mod, were players are playing together, and not playing for being the best.. If you are playing on a team were everybody takes everything, its not easy to be good..
I think the reason to players like fox's succes, is that he plays with one of the best teams.. players like gopher and toxic just own tdm, and they have allways been on the top..
If you look at unmatched/sk, í think the reason to there succes, was there amazing teamplay, and all the players understanding of each other..
So personaly i would rather choose a team as the best, than a player..

Top 3:

1. Unmatched
2. Vikings
3. Ice Climbers / Quad Peoples Org.

that's good point! we should have a best tdm team of all times poll.

btw i wouldn't rate the vikings higher than qpo or ic.

Yes, I *wonder* why you place Vikings so high? :)

Anyway the idea of this poll was brilliant, but sadly, as expected it has turned into a popularity contest with a patriotic twist.

MOTH3RR RUSSSSSSIAAAAAAAAAAA:11!!

maybe because they deserve so? remember ec 4.
The famous flame thread after ic-V on inet in which various ic members stated vikings wouldnt win a map on the ec lan .

And they went on to lose the finals from unmatched 4v3 maps

That proves enough imo as to how good V was when they put their minds to it.

One could rate ic higher but certainly not on the base of sportsmanship like i just showed :-)

Surely Vikings did great things in the past such as sweeping sca 3-0 in EC V, losing to p1mp in a five map thriller (p1mp later won the ec) etc etc, but they don't deserve being titled the second best Q3TDM clan in the games history do they?
btw I voted for stelam.

The reason to i place Vikings so high, is that they deserve it..
They showed how good they were in EC4, were all the best teams attended that eurocup..
They beated ic out with, 3-0 in maps, played some very intensive matches vs QPO, which they won, and it ended with a very exiting final, but they lost to the team that could be called the best, but then you would have to remove slinger and stelam from unmatched, cause in my oppinion, they were the reason to sk's succes..

so true...

there are 2 clans that stand out in the european q3tdm-scene which are ic and umatched(sk) - and the vikings are right behind them. I've never seen them being lame or showing disrespect to their opponents - in the contrary. When a lot of frustrated nubs complained about u/sk's "boring" way to play and win vs superior aim, i think it was yodaz who wrote how much he appreciates this.

But i disagree with the last sentence. TDM is still a team game and with stelam and slinger both not being one man armies like fox or prozac, you can't underestimate zyz and neok or kane and para as the other half of the team!

Eh ? I cant understand some of u guys.
Like thouse Russian for example what has mikes done that is so great? Forze won a CPL over IC okey ? And u say that mikes because of his games in that competition and what else? Should make him the best player ever? God i cant take this...When you have players like Stelam winning Eurocup after Eurocup then Ice Climbers who has won over Unmatched in CPL London? 2nd place after sudden death in Eurocup3 then every year dominate the TDM scene when it comes to Eurocups and competitions such as CPL Oslo, London, Qlan, 2nd @ Lanarena paris eh this years Eurochampions without any quistion? Then we have QPO who won the Lanarena7 and etc.. etc..Then Vikings of course! I can see it infront of me some small russian people sitting there and trying to fuck up the stats in the poll over 1 player that has done some nice things like winning one CPL with his clan after a nice run against IC. But do u even know how many times other players in other clans has done that thing over and over again? Take prozac for example This dude played in allstars* came along way in Eurocup3 3nd place i think? Then playing with P1mps winning the Eurocup that season then later after that playing with QPO winning Lanarena7 AND he became player of the YEAR! blablabla..
Then we take mikes who is a talant player aswell as the others i have mentions BUT! 1 CPL victory and then i dont know much more what he has done that is so great..? I know mikes from Quakenet and i dont say that he is bad or something like that but he is NOT the best tdmplayer of all time! Im gonna follow as my own eyes have seen from the very beginning of Quake3 arena.
Place
1.Stelam
2.Prozac / in the USA maybe Czm can get some credits
3.Gopher/toxic/sl1nger/
4.All other famouse tdm players
Like it says "best ever!" a more longterm not only 1 season but all seasons! Keep that in mind.
Today i think that FOX is the best tdm player around. Still i dont vote for him to be the best Ever!
Its very hard to say who the best player ever is because who can forget Eurocup 1 with EYEBALLERS (the old guys) AN(nikita & S(X)norgal), [MM] (Dark, voo) still this guys didnt play Q3 aslong as this players i have mention above so basicly Stelam and the others has more gaming time and more gold trophys from competitions then thouse old and newer players have. So kinda hard to place one singel player like this. A betther way is to take some time and come up with Best Tdm clan ever where people can rely on much more things.

I totally agree. mikes has had a great tournament but that it was. also he isnt that kind of player you would expect to be told the best. he is a rusher like toxic with great aim and reflexes but thats not all q3 tdm is about.
my top3 would look like this

1.stelam
2.zyz
3.prozac

stelam is the player who brought tdm to another level. his aim was unmatched (with all weapons, cant be said about all nominated players), his defensive style was unbreakable and he had a great sense of danger. he won the biggest tournaments with unmatched for about 1.5 years. also he never was lame and a real idol to look up for, a great sportsman overall. he really is the fatality of q3tdm.
now you may wonder about zyz. well he won all only one tournament less then stelam. but he was playing much longer than him, playing several eurocups after the old unmatched days and always was considerable the best of his team. imo he is the most underrated player in q3tdm.
well the third position is kinda difficult, unimportant though. there are alot of great players as fox, toxic and mikes but i think prozac did the longest time the best.

Just for example: I voted for Mikes not only because there was "one great tournament", I really liked his tdm style before. And it's hard to choose "best player" when there are so many players to choose from... Unmatched players are best too ;)

P.S. And I hate Polosatiy's style of "1v1-ish" tdm.

lol, who cares? take a walk or something =)
You see, mikes is leading because the poll asks "Who is the best q3TDM player ever?" Well, what’s the big deal with a Russian following a link from c58.ru, recognizing a name, clicking a button, and forgetting about this page cause they cant read/write English? Anyway, my point is that you're taking this too serious =)

u rusians take this to serious...
he is right, mikes on the first place is nothing more than a joke.

Imagine... If you were a user you could edit the spelling in your post!

cK-bloodshot

didn't stelam win most of the intresting tdm events ?

You cant give this a 100% definite answer, what most people fail to realise is that TDM clans which are successful have almost always at least 3 massively contrasting players/styles. You will not see fox diving on top of a quad with his guantlet out whereas thats left up to toxic/gopher whatever. Fox is a caged player, gopher is the manbeast without a leash. Zero4 is a player id like to have on my team, someone might kill him but u can be sure as fuck they wont have much health left afterwards.

Yeah, Russia ownz1 ;))

whos mist?

I agree with some of the replies saying you should vote for teams and not for individuals. Everyone has his (or her :p) task and in the end it's the team result that counts. They are all really great players which make you go "ooOooOoOoOOOooOOo" when watching the demos :)

why isn't Warlock in the list?:(

Howcome there are players voted better than fox? Seems very odd that someone would not vote for him. But then they might have misunderstood the poll or something. Fox is by far the best tdm'er ever and nobody can threaten his 1st place imo.

mikes and stelam deserve to be higher , stelam for his consistently amazing play and mikes well, dont think anyone has forgotten that 1 lan tourney with forze where he beat teams like ic on his own

'ok'? jesus... thanks for denying me my right to think what i want. And also for telling me what is right and that my opinion is wrong. And thank you for leading me onto the only right way to think -the way that you think.

'ok'? jesus... thanks for denying me my right to think what i want. And also for telling me what is right and that my opinion is wrong. And thank you for leading me onto the only right way to think -the way that you think.

hmm that was me without login for some reason

same answer to you as you gave to me , copy pasted even for convenience

oh and yes , go on i know you want to . Nitpick on the fact that i forgot to include the allexplaining 'imo' in my original post

lamer...

enough said

cant win the discussion for as much as there was one so has to resort to flaming .. big man !

winning the discussion?!??! omgplz lol stfu...

you copy/pasted my post and then you say "enough said" and calling me a flamer... wow, just wow. you make no sens dude... bye.

why should i bother typing the same thing in different words

You accuse me of taking away your right of free opinion yet you do the same to me

THAT'S F*CKING IT, IGNORE LIST FOR YOU...

H8

aww, truth hurts doesnt it

if it makes you feel good you'll be happy to know i'm crying my eyes out here at the thought of being on your ignore list , dont know if i'll ever overcome this harsh blow :(

?

If you were to contradict yourself any more, you'd probably explode walking down the street :)

senti/proZaC/toxic/mikes is the dreamteam -_-

stelam all the way :)

Yodaz! :< Not for his aim but for his tactical insight in tdm.

this is about TDM the best TEAMplayer is czm

even though im not russian, i prefer mikes for his agressive style in tdm. he has mastered the movement, the aim is probably one of the best. To have most of the time positive net with a agressive style of play in tdm is imo difficult to achieve. Fox might be currently the #1 but u can see that his style is by far more def than mikes.

wheres kingpin?!?

:>>>

wheres sd? =p

stelam best rail ever seen!

fox I think

i think this poll is unusual stupid but then...

i voted on stelam :/

rofl, mikes is leading...bollox, hes hardly in the top5!

stelam in the past, fox now

BUT WHERE IS WOODCUTTER THE HUNGARIAN TDM'ER??? :DDDDDDDD

btw i lied, i voted for Stelam :)

i shall not choose as it is impossible to answer such a question

Mikes is better than stelam ya cunts :))

http://forum.cyberfight.ru/showthread.php?s=4...adid=26975

I rest my case

OMG! how could they

THEY PROBABLY TYPED LIKE THIS:

GO VOTE FOR MIKES!!!

that is my theory on how they could

probably?? your theory is wrong, cos they voted for fox and stelam as well

I wanna bet ~1% of the russians voted for stelam and fox.

I have nothing against mikes, he's a great player, I just don't think he's top 4, and this whole nationality thing irritates me.

Could just as well have posted a poll saying "where are you from"

or the classic "MIKES/POLOS IS RUUULLLEZZZ". THEREFORE THEY ARE THE BEST!!1

POLOS IS RULEZZZZZZZZ POV ONLY PZL!!!!!!

lolol =)

K A N E!!

Remember so old ec 1 or 2 it was in 2000 for sure when griff was still playing vs maybe EYE i think dm6 he got 60/70 frags i'd never saw anyone score so much back then =p, Xorgal rocked too

back then American demos were pretty good too, Wombats mad railing (mist is like the eu wombat imo =p) and players like ouija who imo are the best type of tdm'ers, they dont get the big frags and aren't well known but their soild TEAMPLAY carrys the team and allows others (czm & fat) go for the ffaish style play.

Lizter scored 71 in the final dm6 game.

cK vs km, dm7.

mikes has sick aim, but he is the dumbest tdmer ive ever seen.
-J

This will probably nothing you're ever seen except your own demos vs anarki with "i can win" skillz :))

can't he have his opinion without you trying to be a smartass?

of course!
i'm just trying to undeceive he of an vote error ;-)

where is akiles !!!!!!

this is tdm

He played for D&M who were reasonably succesful

'best ever' ...

No doubt stelam, prozac or czm. Because too hard to say whos the best, i voted for prozac as i always found him funny ;)
Flame on!

Imo Swedish fanboyism is far far worse than the rather tongue-in-cheek Russian patriotism. It's not necessarily 'dumb' to vote for Mikes - it's a question of how you interpret the poll. You can take it to be who has been the best tdmer over the 4 years of Q3 taking into account whichever aspects you chose. Or you can simply take it to be who produced the best TDM ever in the history of q3 at any single moment in its life. In that sense I would vote Mikes because I think him and Forze DID produce the best Q3 tdm ever at Cologne. But that wasn't my interpretation and I voted for Zyz :) It's also great to see Polos in the top 10 because he's done the business right from BWEC onwards.

for you all:

Best Tdm player is stelam. i saw that guy from the beginning of quake3 when he changed to ocrana. And of course schroet kommando deserves a big "respect" for anything they did.

But the props goes also to clan kapitol. You cannot compare the tdm-sessions in Us with europe....the pings are to shity in america and of course you arent such motivated to go ahead as if you have pings like in europe. But they won nearly every tournament they ever played. It was a Time, when q3 was big....very big.

And at this time, a lanfinal of a big tourney was played between cK and the eyeballers, which was the best clan at this time in europe.
It was cool to look back and see with how much power cK killded eye. It was cool to see the totaly new tactics by cK.

Such sessions are important, becouse it was a time when everyone had nearly the same expiriance. every idiot can learn how to play q3,...but the beginning is important to see how fast they grow.

It wasn't really eye at that cpl, it was just a pickup team they sent you couldn't really call a clan, albeit including some of the best individual players at that time. IIRC they lost to allstars at some lan just before frag 4 anyway so I guess they weren't the equivalent of top 4 in europe.

me

/me wants Vikings back on the scene...

true! want them too :)

drqk is

ahva? fulde svensker

Cant some1 vote for poor revenant? :S.. hasnt got a signle vote yet :\

ok, i did

gimme cookie now

Dont have any cookie.. Maybe a [+] will satisfy you m8? :P

yeh, that's nice

rofl, 'America' is somewhat more than just USA.
peace.

Well I voted for the Mikes and didnt come from c58s page. And I had 2 reasons for that:

1. Forze team is not so strong as for ex. IC where all the time some1 gets at least 50 frags. But mikes is alone in this team and almost all the games he finished on the 1st plays. Have you ever played TDM?? No mater how good you shoot if your team plays good you gonna get many frags cuz enemys have no weapons, one team is running and ownaging and another trying to get weapon und not to die...

2. And the second reason is Ping. I would like to see how would play fox with ping 60-100 =) Where you can do notin after spawning cuz ya machinegun doesnt shoot there where its crosshair is. You know, on all Lan tournaments Forze were always very strong. Without having so good TDM players as TOXIC FOX GOPHER PROZAC STELAM etc. Almost all the "power" (not Pow3R =) to Forze gave Mikes. And thats why he is one of the best TDM players ever. I repeat ONE OF THE BEST as FOX STELAM TOXIC

Thats my opinion

POLOS is like a legent like a fatality but he sux in TDM no metter what you say...

Peace ppl

BC^gaF

Well all I can said is my opinion and I think that US in TDM and taktiks sux hard very hard. Also I want to add 2 clans:
-Vikings: Best tactic clan I´ve ever seen cause they play as one hard team. And their players arent good at 1 vs 1.
-D&M: I think that D&M had done good games like in Eurocup or in Lan arena they lose vs IC for only 3 frags I guess. And I highly recomend you to download a demo from D&M Sombra vs Ironfist.
-IC: I think IC is best clan in TDM ever and Toxic his best playah!
thats all.

I just have to mention that Joyce was actually an amazing 1on1 player (probably the best in dk when he was at his peak), but he chose to focus more on tdm in the end. (ok I'm biased but I know the guy in person, so sue me :P)

sorry for the 3 posts only read one ok? :) delete them plz!

You can do so yourself, it's at the top right of your posts.

Latest big TDM tournament was POX onlain tourney.There were best TDM players,and it was 2 on 2 .And Mikes and Cooller won there twice!!!!!And if you saw demos you know who is the best. MIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mayby cooller smashed them, not killing them, and then Mikes took them down with mg?

yes m1kes attended a small lan, which says NOTHIN, and therefore he is the best -ever-.

keep such comments to yourself, thanks

Why is mikes in second?... he's got crazy aim, but he plays really stupid. well thats my impression from watching 2 of his demos at least. i was amazed at his pro quality aim, but at the same time appauled by his retarded decision making. "wtf did he do that for?!?"
-J

Doomer gets my vote.

-All*Nirvana

hi you norwegian owner =)

the best tdm players of all time is easely

fox desp prozac zyz mikes

idiot..
stelam?

b2k are the best ca pm1 adn dm player ;)

SteLam -.-;;

miso is a junky and tulls never won anything, so why vote for him?

Not having DOOMer in the list is a joke. IMO the best TDM player ever. Also a great CTF player and kick ass dueler too.

I only watched 1 q3 TDM demo ... 519(i think its Zero4 plus czm... pov was Tim yateS) VS. Fox and fazz... the rail of the POV was Insane... maybe the best rail i've ever seen(i saw like 60 duel demos)

sorry for my english

It was boodah's pov. zero4 (gestahl519) & boodah (timberland519) vs. fazz and fox (both p1mps at that time). And boodah's rail is truely elite, he owned these 2 swedes all alone.

I just searched my old demos for this match, so if anyone's interested in watching boodah's crazy rail: grab it here.

... it was not TDM 4x4... it was 2x2 on dm6.... ehehe sorry for the expert's in TDM

I find it amazing that DOOMer is not on the list.... This guy have played TDM since QW in klans like [9] and All* and is recognized as one of the best team-players ever i quake. Currently he is playing CTF Wolfclaw.

Hey!!!

what it´s happening!!

stelam is no 1 no problemo but!!!! Mikes ass no 2 and proZaC 3 and Fox 4´th!!

No way!!

Lock at the ic peapol!! GOPHER and TOXIC and Pani!!

If you look back 2 yers thos 3 was outstnding in q3tmd!!

look at litzter!! he was outstnding in EC1!!!

put out some demos of all th players and then put out a pool of whos is he best q3TDM player ever!!!

all off the votes is from peapol who dont know q3.. if a pool shod be right talk to all the players who has played all EC games and cpl games.... Then you have a winner!!!!!

Pease!!

Over and out from a drunk sweede!!

WTF?
WHERE IS OPIUM? FFS INCLUDE OPIUM HE IS THE BEST TDM PLAYER EVER^&#^%89 *fniss*

stelam of course is the best q3 team player ... legends like fatal1ty, prozac etc are just good single-fighters, not team-mates ... see qpo/p1mps for prozac :) one man army °_°

lol p1mps were 4 one man army :)

Wtf do you mean by America?
American, USA would be correct.
You didnt say Europe for blockey or Paracyde so i asume its an error.

<<Hark>>
I'm russian , but voted next:

1) Stelam\Zyz
2) Fox\Gopher
3) czm

PS
sorry mikes :))

2 #329
when p1mps won against IC, fox played for pimps as tech who moved later to ic... So dont bullshit a bullshit about 1 man army.

fox didnt play for p1mps as tech.. fox AND tech played for p1mps..aswell as prozac and nutcase..

fox AND tech played for tech

edit in order? :)

if this poll is about net and frags I'm very surprised that Xenon isn't in hte list

Edit Why xenon isn't in the list :)

pretty lame that everyone is forgetting the true DAMAGE GIVEN KINGS drush and desp
truly 2 of the best tdm players of all times

if you didn't vote for stelam, you're an idiot.

[9]........Xenon, he was a good tdm-player.....

wheres thefou btw?

sigh... stupid people voting for ZeRo4 and Fatal1ty.
Please fuck off thanks.
Second. Why the fuck is Stelam #1 ?
I mean ok hes good but jesus not the best TDM'er by FAR !
This poll is a joke and completely inaccurate
If them 'BUT ZERO4 HAS 60 RAIL acc ' fags would quit voting we might see something

*soz for me being pissed off

After 8 long years, we should totally have a Who is the best QL TDM player ever?

noctis.

eod.

fatality :D

nice necro.

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