And the downfall was?

In my opinion: its flaming/spamming/trolling users.

^ and that's not sarcasm aimed at you, it's what I truely think.

You are obviously not getting the whole point of this thread.

Also, this thread was needed.

he's either a shill or a moron anyway

edit: brandon would be so dissapointed in this :[

well I havn't used the site long, so i can only speak out of what I've seen/read.

Each community have their own customs and ways to communicate. Different levels of cursing, flaming, randomness and offtopic comments are accepted within different communities. When there are restrictions of freedom that the base and most committed users on the site are at odds with, they resist and become very outspoken and angry - they feel violated and wronged and do everything in their power to return the norms and enforced laws of the site back to what they are used to and comfortable with. Unfortunately there are only a few really hardcore esr users left that care and have deep roots in the site, so it may seem as if the whiners are the odd ones out instead of the invading rule-set

rofl [+]

:)))):'(

wow, can i be ur student?

you are, my child.. you are.

that was... intellectual.

i'm in nietzsche-mode now, can't help it :p

Nope, the site has had proper trolls in the past, what's occured recently is really minor but it seems to be in vogue now to brand anyone who disagrees with you a troll or who's view point you find objectionable. It's supposed to be a forum for the exchange of opinions. If it's to be a corporate mouthpiece then a lot of us will probably be happy to up and leave you to your shiny corporate world, a statement of what ESR is to be would be nice.

Totally agree.

That thread by Nicky made me literally laugh out loud. No offence Nicky, should you read this, but all I can do is laugh if you seriously think appealing to peoples attitudes regarding what 'corporations reading this site will think' is going to stem the flow of discussion (or flaming).

It's the internet, deal with it.

As soon as that flamebait feature appeared the point of the site went a little downhill. This JavaX joker implying that "flaming/spamming/trolling users" is the problem is somewhat amusing though since that's essentially what has always been the best feature of this site. If someone wanted to read censored esports conversations there have always been plenty of sites for that.

This has been said many times these few last days, and it's still so very true.

Why were people flaming/spamming/trolling in the first place?

Perhaps it was because of the utter bullshit the entire "scene" has become.

And also the pussies who can't take negativity and require everything to be nice and PC.

I guess this honor goes to admins who take the rights to edit posts to make them look better and not so harsh.

Wouldn't you rather post this video on your site btw, this is not 4K reality. I suppose the video was named "4K" not "eSports" in general.
If any sponsor or hosting service is getting pissed about the harsh reviews they should find someone who can produce a quality video instead of a documentary without a head and tail.

But else it's a 4K video, and the video isn't that great. It got 0s as so many videos here before, but I hardly see the news posts locked, posts deleted or edited for them.

Give me a break, total corruption and manipulation from the outside - not the XSR/ESR we learned to know.

Who mentioned the video? o_O
I just plain disagree at some user attitudes of ridiculing any news that isn't quake related. I'm not talking about one particular thread/post as I've seen a few.

Don't know why you had to bring that up. Ok so they done some editing and removing of comments... remember it's their site and they're entitled to remove SPAM. If they removed perfectly valid points then that's unfortunate and i sympathise with you.

As it was done a gazillion times before. The phrase "CS Sux" spawns a thousend times in some posts during each week on ESR and not once is it moderated, but now.

Removing "SPAM" doesn't equal editing well written posts, harsh posts but well written - feedback. Just because DR-Hexus or whatever he is, doesn't agree with some posts he has to tailor them to suit his needs?

Is that the way things are going to work from now on? Well, no point asking you as you are just like me, I'd like to hear a word from Suyoj on this debacle tho...

Well editing vaid points concerning the post is wrong. But the fact that the "CS sux" posts are getting removed is a good thing, as it's unconstructive and unhelpful. Ok, the timing of doing such a this is less than diplomatic, and I'd rather it happened a while ago, but at least it's getting done.

But once again I do sympathise with those who are getting well written constructive feedback edited.

it's the way XSR and ESR was since it started, now suddenly it's wrong! The world wont stop turning if I say "CS Sux".

The same way some users disagree with cs posts, i disagree with unconstructive cs comments from non cs players...

Not much of a difference there.

The difference is, we aren't trying to have your comments removed.

actually why not, all cs, cgs and cpl related news should be removed cause it will lead to flames and unhappy people.
Hold that, I have seen flames in wsw and quake related posts, too. and any other type of post for that matter. Maybe someone should simply remove all posts or at least the comment function.
Should be a friendly and peaceful site then..


[/cynical]

You wont see me cry if someone says Quake sucks, UT sucks. The same should be with you. It's a standard by now, people should get over it.
And the corporate monkeys should produce quality videos instead of crap and all will be fine. There was a gazillion of newsposts about CS in the past and all was well and accepted, but if someone posts a bad video he gets to hear bad things about it - if he/she can't handle it, he/she shouldn't post some video in the first place.

exactly, when simonb posted his 4k videos people didnt slag him off

but they were much better videos

www.gotfrag.com, bye

WAIT THAT LINK DOESN'T WORK????

retardproof

who's to decide? if you wanna take away all the fallacies often use to point out bad arguments you'd be left with almost no replies.

Put up or shut up.

I may not be a massive poster but I have been reading these forums for the better part of 5 years and it has always been the heated discussions about a wide variety of things that has kept me coming back.

No site on the planet offers such a diverse range of topics to discuss . Especially when you can literally talk about any topic here and have people add their own 2c to it, be it politics gaming or film reviews.

Should you expect anything more than what is currently presented you must be deluding yourself.

Yeah, it's still a better site for me then anything else I've seen for many things.

100% agree!

So true.

Let me explain this for you simply: you're a misguided idiot.

The reason people have come to this site since back in 1999 is to argue, bicker and insult each other over esports-related topics. That's what we like to do here, that's what we do here. Coming onto this site you clearly know little about and suggesting exactly that kind of behaviour is the problem is borderline mentally handicapped behaviour. That's like going into the corner of the pub where the old guys bitch about their day to day lives and sitting right in the middle and repeatedly telling them how they shouldn't moan or talk badly about people.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Then surely by causing arguements and bickering I'm therefore not going against the ethos of the site...

no?

Are your posts being edited/deleted?

not to my knowledge

A very good point actually :-)

Thorin ?

this is where thorin says he's doing the same, and everybody agrees it's for the best until somebody's post gets deleted. then the people who supported one person don't mind, and the people who supported another do, and it's an infinite regress into barbaric aggression until neither party exists and all hope for advancement through argumentation and communication has been lost. the effective brute force snuffing out of ideals without the necessity for the modern human mind.

animals!

dude, that made me laugh. thank you.

Haha check!

plz..... get a grip you're 18 ffs.

... and?

and nothing.

it's not a valid argument. your post should be deleted and replaced with a hexus banner.

laff

!!!!!

loool :D

I think he's implying that when this site was in its prime you were still being breast fed and you were off-loading green turds.

*aquashark plays violin*

you are such an fool

www.gotfrag.com , bye

And the downfall was?

In my opinion: its flaming/spamming/trolling users.

hahah, you must be new.

yeah :(

please censor this shit!

?

i don't get it

i'd like to post all the great things esr used to have, however intel have requested i dont

This whole situation surprised me quite a lot. I'd got bored of esr anyway :s

Guess this means the Big Brother ESR episode I had planned is not going to happen now :(

can someone edit this it deeply offends me

no, ix-ir. by "proper trolls," you are clearly referring to myself and brandan. the truth is that we are just like you are now, only before you didn't understand, because you weren't us. now you are, and perhaps other people don't understand.

I'm glad you came around, nonetheless. and this is a glorious day for me.

Yes calling everyone an idiot several times a day was a valuable contribution. I see that now.

I don't believe you said anything about valuable contributions. I'm not even sure why that should be a prerequisite for being left alone. I have to contribute stuff to the website before my posts aren't censored? damn.

what about brandan's countless interviews, columns, demo uploads, news posts, and so forth? and what about my posts helping people with their computer problems in threads?

now what for you? oh ya. your cute little "THERAILMCCOY" witticisms. thanks for that. the site is a much better place as a result. are your teeth yellow, also, sir?

Time's dulled your skills.

Im glad theres people not buying this bs. If it wasn't for those people, esports parody would have taken over everything long time ago, including this site.

knew i shouldnt have told agg n nog

The King is dead. Long live the King!

(honestly, everything will become a corporate whore after it reaches a certain level of popularity, get over it and keep playing Q3 for fun)

We need daryl to take over the site again, it's our only hope!

(Why am I suddenly thinking of star wars?)

Not even Daryl would get a say around here anymore :-(

our only hope

"Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope!"

what the hell happened?

yeah, what's the point of using the forum provided by the website you're using to express your frustration with the website you're using? just take it to another site, take all the things the administrators would have to worry about to another site. let administrators from another site worry about the problems you have with this site.

here's a suggestion for esreality: work on your structural and ideological integrity. this website has been slowly degrading into a cess pool of bull-minded, ignorance based authority dependent on the imagined (and realized, sadly!) authority of people with a mental capacity for logic that only a seasoned christian fundamentalist could find reasonable.

esreality, it seems, has been at the head of the charge for religious interdependency. terms such as 'troll' and 'flame' have evolved here to mean 'things i don't agree with' and 'things i don't like to hear,' respectively. it quite resembles religious fanatacism, albeit on a much less impactful and worrying scale.

but matters such as these are always worrying, and for anybody wondering why people would bother trying to change something like this, perhaps it's because if somebody were to succeed in causing a person such as nicky to learn even the most basic structure of intellectual reason this website would be much more habitable for all parties investing time and interest in it.

that is assuming that the other users suddenly grew to respect the personal responsibility inherent in communicating with people who have vastly differing opinions, ideas, locations, and indeed entire personal identities based on that person's location in time and space at any given moment. what better a place to begin bettering the world than on the websites you use for discussion about the things you enjoy?

you can enjoy video games without having the mental approach to intellectual matters of a 12 year old. you don't have to borrow the tactics of ancient religions to understand that a discussion forum's ONLY impact on you is what you allow yourself to be impacted by. if the force of an idea is strong enough to permeate your thick skull, then perhaps that idea is worth donating a bit of thought to. i'd much rather see nicky thinking about things such as those things she doesn't like or agree with than see her flagrantly disregarding the progression of the human species through the purposeful deletion of valid information in the pursuit of sponsor appeasement or personal vindiction against alternate ideals.

or whatever. i'm sure this will be misinterpreted, or more than likely not interpreted at all, but scanned for select words then reformed in the mind of somebody who's just looking for a reason to speak their mind. that's all assuming anybody even cares enough to read what i have to say about this site anymore, which there's a good chance nobody does, but that shouldn't stop me from being able to post whatever i want to post about whatever i want to post about, and it shouldn't stop anybody else. the promise of having a post deleted should not be sufficient to stop anybody from expressing any ideal, and it is exactly this sort of authoritarian abridgement of the free lines of communication being made possible still by technology that lend to the furtherment of religious thought (the idea of believing something without any empirical evidence is how i'm using the term 'religious'), which leads to the degredation of quality of life for everybody affected EXCEPT those people who claim positions of power.

what an ironic situation, hm? the idea that the administrators are developing a site where they are comfortable, the people who think like them are somewhat pleased, and the people who think differently are ostricized and dominated by sheer majority. unfortunately for us, being intelligent enough to see through the guise of promise and unfounded rhetoric does not necessarily give one the ability to overcome the social and emotional ties inherent in animal relationships.

WHY are we still censoring text? it has no physical impact without the assistance of light, which unless our eyes are strapped open and we're living burgess's nightmare, we enact by pushing buttons to bring a monitor to life, or pushing buttons to shed light on a leaf of a book we aim to read.

none of this makes sense, and what is so saddening to me is that there is no way to make sense of it, but there are billions of people in the world who would claim to have done just that.

Wow, that got very naive by the end.

yes, because around the end you posted.

do you do online dating?

Any specific suggestions for aforementioned sites?

the sites i was referring to that nicky posted? aren't they obvious?

Only recently learned what it means and I figured this was a good time to use it:

tl;dr

that post was actually meant to be in reply to:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1403179

i'm not quite sure how it ended up here.

You might not know this, but you have a twin brother...

who is my twin brother?

Jameiro. Although I'm guessing you hit your head in the frontal lobe as a child while he just generally hit his head.

there is so much at risk to my reputation in web forum conversations...

More like consequences.

I liked this.

*applause*

i like

Interesting if somewhat overcomplicated, which in truth wasn't necessary but i feel rather designed to show off your ability to use language. A couple of things i picked out and would like to add my 2c too as apparently this is what this thread is about.
Firstly let me assume a mission statement for ESR, i would suggest that it is something like "To bring 'quality' eSports (used tentatively) coverage to the consumer"
Now unfortunately or not depending on your political stance the world revolves around money. So if you want to improve ESR in terms of coverage money is required. For a gaming website there are a couple of revenue streams, sponsorship and advertisement or paying for premium applications and limited public functionality. From what is written in all comments we can infer the the users don't want split level content, and they complain when there is no coverage so we have to ask what can be done? To me it appears it's left with advertising.So the 'management' need to go out and look for prospective advertisers. Granted you're right in saying that comments shouldn't be deleted / edited i agree with both, but there are conditions to that which go against the philosophy of ESR taking the philosophy to be the old users of the site. Having a load of people write Fuck Intel on a thread is basically biting the hand that feeds you as without Intel really, there is no eSports, but then again i get the feeling many of you feel as i do that money in 'gaming' is a bad thing. Nevertheless it's here so we might aswell work with the tools we have. There has always been calls for big money competitions and yet when there here because they are businesses they want returns from their investments. The bottom line from my poorly worded post is this.

ESR needs to either grow or die, we all know FPS is getting smaller by the day as we all keep waiting for this 'next big game' which really hasn't come in a long long time, because the developers are trying to get to a bigger market. So really ESR needs to start embracing other games to still be able to afford to cover the FPS events better. Places like gotfrag have both revenue streams as have SK ESR has neither so eventually the site will die unless it doesn't move on. I expect a lot of people to say "oh well let it die at least it will be pure", nothing can change that point of view and perhaps esr is just like an old clan irc channel a group of friends who discuss stuff in a certain way. But there are other users who don't contribute and like to see the coverage. So where is the line drawn?

the world doesn't revolve around anything, so far as i know. i mean, if we consider it a macroscopic object, and its center an indefinable point in space and time, it simply revolves. it does orbit the sun, but i think i see your point.

let's take a look at one of your argument defining sentences:

'So if you want to improve ESR in terms of coverage money is required.'

i don't want to improve esreality in terms of coverage. i just wanted to get that out of the way. what i'm really wondering is how so many people contributed to the website for no money whatsoever--people from a multitude of countries--and now, after a two year march into oblivion, you're telling me that esreality needs more of what seems to have sent it into its downward spiral. where will the money come from, sponsors? where does their money come from, consumers? where does their money come from, jobs? jobs where? how far does this rabbit hole go?

apparently to the center of the earth, where the table-tennis ball spinning bingo machine spitting out ping pong balls with check numbers written to business executives causes the world to rotate through centrifugal force alone. let's not forget the poor sap down their being crushed by gravity trying to keep that thing turning. oh, and we have to give credit to the homunculus spinning the gears in his head, as well.

my post had nothing to do with the quality of esreality news coverage, though. i had intended to address the structural state of this website, which brings me to my next point, based on one of your points:

'esr needs to either grow or die'

i'm not a fan of bifurcation, mostly because i feel that many people are so involved in day to day activities that they often don't have the time or freedom of mind to recognize it for what it is. it can be a great element of comedy, but for serious matters it tends to complicate things by forcing people to ignore the simplified versions of problems.

here's a neat concept: simplicity to humans is a piece of college rule notebook paper with no writing on it. it is rectangular, has regular parallel lines at regular intervals, and neat circles at the edge. to some people, it seems, when you break the makeup of a piece of paper down to atomic and subatomic levels, you are complicating things by introducing more variables.

however, you are actually simplifying things by recognizing all aspects of the paper. you have a fuller understanding of the paper, and as such more information to use when making judgements in regards to the uses of it. during a conversation or argument it may seem easier to state 'we do either this or this,' but the reality is that matters are not so complex. there are an infinite amount of other, simpler possibilities that can be analyzed for suitability pertaining to situations such as these.

so i guess what i'm saying is that if you want to carry on 'administrating' this site according to a 20,000,000 mile high bird's eye view of it, that's fine, but in my opinion it would be much better to take every aspect of it and discover what sort of changes you can make to the processes of the website to cause it to be more efficient and suitable for the users you profess to be attempting to appease.

in china, government matters are kept from the public until they are dispersed to the public through censored media formats. on esreality there is an administrator forum that was vehemently protested by many users as militaristic. in this forum, esreality matters are privately discussed until a conclusion is reached, and i really don't have access to it anymore or i could give some sort of statistical number on how much actually ever reaches the public.

posts are deleted, and even nuked into oblivion based on the personal views of administrators who don't seem to have a very wide spectrum of tolerance for knowledge. posts that took time and effort to write are sometimes lost forever through edits, and there doesn't even seem to be any proclamation of ownership of user posts by esreality, so i'm wondering how these posts can be edited without permission first being received.

i don't see how its necessary for censorship to be promoted in order to make money. i can see how it's an easy option, but not how it is necessary. i can even understand why administrators of this website would choose such an option, past experiences considered. what i don't see, and the entire point i've been trying to make in the past week or so i've been posting on this site again, is how the people who claim to be caretakers of something with so much potential to be equally enjoyed by many people can completely ignore that potential in the persuit of wholly invented, illogical arguments that have no substance whatsoever.

it would be like me saying telling people who come to my house not to say anything bad about philips because they gave me a tv due to the high traffic of my living room. the living room could be equally enjoyable for all parties involved if i simply found another provider of tvs who wasn't afraid of letting people think for themselves by neglecting to exercise their militaristic control over the free mind and the free speech of the mind.

by censoring the things people say, you are effectively denying people the right to information that would allow them to enhance their life opportunities. who exactly are you to decide what a person should and should not be able to access? who is intel to decide that 'fuck intel' should be censored?

would you censor those who say 'fuck bush' because the united states offered you a thousand dollars to pay for hosting for a month? i know i'd much rather see the agression and angst in regards to bush and his idiocy than to see those people quelled by the 'need' for money and the availability of it through sources that your general audience seems to have issues with.

that's just me, though. i mean, you may actually enjoy making people miserable by telling them you care about them then letting the dogs chew off their faces.

(that's a straw man)

The earth is the centre of the universe, discuss......

I have to say i would prefer more concise answers, however the general feel of your post is heading towards an anarchic internet, which i have to say i am not particularly against. However to avoid just mindless mess there needs to be some form of controlling order. I think your looking for some kind of argument here and seem to be battling for the 'little guy', well fair enough but in truth the little guy are the 3000+ anon users (according to host mask) who don't actually contribute much; however use the site regularly.

I'll take your argument as being

....the entire point i've been trying to make in the past week or so i've been posting on this site again, is how the people who claim to be caretakers of something with so much potential to be equally enjoyed by many people can completely ignore that potential in the pursuit of wholly invented, illogical arguments that have no substance whatsoever.

You're right there is potential there, but unlike many of the other 'social' networking sites there are options to post as anonymous users which means there are different levels of poster. Also there is a hardcore group of users who see ESR as their site. Which means growth of the site is totally stifled, people have tried to change things, to improve things to grow the community outside of FPS into 'gaming' but generally have failed due to lack of interest and criticism from within. They've not failed because of the majority of people, but because of a small group who see ESR as their playground. Look at Bootes' comment below and the people who now write for other sites, sometimes granted their work is appreciated here, but not generally. This coupled with the lure of money has taken many of the good posters away from the site and so the quality of content has dropped. It's not about jumping into the fat cats lap to get a tiny bit of milk, but about getting up with the times to retain the quality of content.

i don't really think you've understood anything i've said, and your baseless assumptions about my reasons for posting could be a possible cause for such misunderstanding.

my argument is not my point, my point is the reason i am arguing. rofl, i give up!

Then you need to work on your English as you clearly stated what your point is (as quoted from above), either that or you're trying to wrap up what you mean in big words so as to confuse people when really what you're trying to say can be summed up in a few lines. Long words are not there to complicate a sentence but simplify the language, something which i think you really miss. If indeed i have missed your point then perhaps you should think about your use of language and make what you're saying clearer although having stated a point and then gone away from it suggests that you're simply arguing for arguments sake which is also bolstered up by suggesting i actually thought the world revolved around a giant volt.

whatever dude, you're right because i stated my point and my arguments are irrelevant because they contain 'big words' that convolute my sentences. way to go, your grasp of argumentation is confounding, to say the least. so much so as to be incomprehensible. do you happen to have a cd i can purchase, or something? i really want to learn. :)

What structural changes to the site will make it financially sustainable, censorship free and open? At the same time, what level and kind of censorship would actually benefit the improvement of the main function for which the site was created, which is discuss, cover and help e-sports evolve [best]?
I think the view that has prevailed is that with time, as the site started to get a more even cut of the general populace the quality of an average post severely dropped, and yes, by completely subjective accounts. I think right to property should seem enough justification. I really don't know what sort of system, especially in precise terms, would do good here, according to the sites main intent.
Seems like proposed to find a sponsor who would just let the site be. I think that would be extremely hard. And the sponsor isn't the main cause for censorship, as I already implied. Hmm, I just don't know.

i tend to think that a lot of the problems with this site stem from poor management and poor design. people were exploiting flaws that daryl had made sujoy aware of many times, and there are obviously issues with the 'administration.'

to be completely honest, i've not used this site for what i'm guessing is going on half a year. i don't know the status of it, and i'm really only posting now because i enjoy argument, communication and language. i'm quickly coming to see why i stopped posting originally, and it's really daryl's fault that i even started again, anyway.

with my current understanding of the way esreality works, i would suggest cementing the administration system by drafting a constitution that would limit their potential to disrupt the general public with their personal beliefs, ideas, opinions, sensibilities, and whatever elsities.

the language in the posting guidelines is very vague and allows for a lot of manipulation, and i recall very clearly that when i quoted the guidelines i was often refuted on the basis of having quoted the guidelines alone! simply because an administrator assumed i had 'bad' intent, me having followed the guidelines was voided. these sort of things shouldn't happen, especially when the goal of a website is to provide its users the best experience possible (that's a large assumption, because for all i know sujoy is just padding his resume by piggybacking on do-good 'volunteers' who pretty much maintain the site for him).

i am also not very enlightened as to what sort of contracts sujoy and esreality have with their 'sponsors.' is esreality obligated to remove defamatory language related to the advertisers they hold contracts with? if so, does the language of the contract mach that of the site guidelines? something tells me it wouldn't, or doesn't if such contracts exist.

if they do not, i would highly suggest them. i would also suggest touting esreality on paper as an open forum for free discussion. i would suggest supporting free speech and thought in full, so long as that which is posted is not obstructive or destructive to the regular operation of the website. for instance, 'spamming' or 'flooding' the website with similar posts (in structure, not ideal).

the reason for this is to cause every user to understand the personal responsibility inherent in participating on a forum such as this. there are people with alternate ideals to your own, and they want other people to believe the things they do. that is the point of discussion, and somewhere during the dark ages that grand insight into human progress was lost, warped or twisted. we now consider 'arguing' to be bad or annoying, where it's really quite enjoyable and is a great exercise of the mind.

i'm certainly not advocating anarchy, but just a structure that tolerates growth and is very clear in its purpose.

allow the users to post news, columns, articles and other things as they feel should be posted. add a poll system for voting about what news, articles and columns should be spotlighted.

it doesn't have to be anarchy or democracy (true social anarchy, in my opinion [at least as far as pure democracy is concerned]), and i don't know where anybody would get the idea that speaking freely is anarchy, really.

make the ignore features more robust and easily available, and do the same with the filters. instead of forcing shitty militarized versions of the website on the users, force useful features that they will end up getting used to and appreciating. if you're willing to delete, censor and 'nuke' posts (another phrase which i highly encourage the alteration [or complete removal, really. it's a benign tumor bloating an otherwise interesting system]), why aren't you willing to bring to other, more accessible features to the users?

give them something everybody can do rather than taking away things everybody used to be able to do and replacing those things with things only some people can do (some of those people who happen to be people who seem entirely undeserving to a lot of the people who were against the changes, anyway).

so yeah, i'm supposed to be home only to pick up my wallet. do you see what you've done to me?

Brevity aids clarity.

thx 4 teh update

I think this is a bit OTT. The only thing that's happened to this site is the hierachy regarding trust and power is all shot to shit.

But you can stil be pretty liberal. I'm quite surprised such a big deal is being made out of saying stuff like so and so sucks.

If you want a site full of adverts go to something to like Gotfrag.
If you wan't a raw hardcore approach to gaming and discussion from what are quite obviously a large group of anti-social, socially acceptable gaming addict's then come to ESR.

I'm apparently one of the biggest "trolls" around here and I really can't recall a single time I had a post deleted and it's pretty safe to say I have touched upon issues nothing to do with gaming.
Yet I can way beyond the avg understanding of games.

I don't see the point in saying CS sucks. I'm not 12, however I'm happy to have an intelligent (if slightly sad by conventional definition) discussion on why something UT sucks compared to Quake.

I don't thnk flaming is the problem, it's the crass, moronic, leave nothing to the imagination way in which some people do it in.

Trolling is an art. On ESR you're a troll by the mass) if you type a lot regardless of whether you contribute something good?
Even such people often forget they spend half their life on anI RC protocol talking about the latest episodes of lost.

It's like some bullshit thing where if it's looged it's proof. Such people are usually the worst troll's.

If you be smart with your point's, you can still diss,rage and keep it so that it remains intact.

If you want to be obnoxious, hide it better. Be more diplomatic.

http://www.totallycrap.com/forums/viewthread/2809/

Sweet Jesus

wow it takes a lot to freak me out but that did the trick :o

Aye same here...

rofl. that's pretty heavy lol

oh good fucking god no!!!

You're not a troll, you're an boring idiot. I leave it to you to figure out the difference.

No wonder you slavs never got anywhere with that attitude.

I could quote another user who already owned you hard, but that wouldn't make sense now, would it?
You come up with the same lines over and over again, "if everything else fails go for that persons nationality" is obviously your motto, it would be actually time to write something smart for once, but you aren't capable of doing so.

Anyway, my life is perfect, and what my neighbours do, is really of no interest to me.

Now be nice to Jamerio or he will be forced to take pictures of his superior wealth!

Yes I'm sure your life is so perfect, that's why you spend your time on ESR reading and replying to my boring post.

Secondly, I value opinions more from people from certain countries than I do from others (on certain issues). Big deal.

You kinda' exist outside my area of interest and given that your post was pointless and that your entire country has not spawned anything remotely funny, I'm not interested in your opinion on humour because the chances are my humour is a 100 times more advanced than yours so I don't want a lecture from some clueless Eurodope who is more than likely a lot less developed in that area than I am.

Sorry, it's just how I feel and whetehr you like it or not, it's probably right.

And what do you think is funny?

Frankly people have hobbies and gaming in general is my hobby, the conclusion of this is, that I visit gaming sites, I even admin one Slovenian gaming forum.

The second part is, that you block posts are hard to miss while browsing ESR, yet in all those 10000 words per post avg. you say exactly what could be said in two sentances, I told you that already in the past. So really - you're post are hard to miss, you are not trolling you usually prettend to give smart replies, but your post are really idiocy at most, except for a very few which I must admit contain some value.

What you value more or not is not of my interest as mentioned above, to me you are an know-it-all idiot, so I don't value much of what you write neither.

And not to go into details, having a own buid two-story house, 2 new cars, soon a kid, 2 cats and with 2 well paid jobs (me and my gf) is an achievement for me. In other words (for you to understand) I am fucking RICH!

EDIT: Compared to you mate.

I really don't care much about you humor, however I know your parents humor is rich to set you free to the big world.

yeah, lets keep this going, battle of the giants lol

Well I feel silly for posting this above, honestly, but I really can't stand his ego anymore. He thinks he is something special, but he's quite the opposite.
And let's make him think a bit, how could a guy like me, who's not from the oh-so-jamerio-belowed-UK, live at a higher standard as he is :).

yes! lol! i think maybe you are more successful, because it's easier for him you know? so it's silly that he brags to you and make your country look bad and that, we'll see though, maybe he don't try reply now so you win lol gratz :D

He's Welsh, just thought I'd get that up in air.

sillility

RACIJALALALISTTTTTT

IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLALALALALAAAAAH WHAT THE ROCK...

wow a racist comment, gud1!

act your age you fat uneducated racist

I was going to write: "I don't like your attitude, you must be jewish." But I won't since I so kinda like you. =P Jew jokes makes me laugh though.

hey, jews are fair game

NICE! =D

check breezes profile

Aaahaha! Good one. =P Spyteman ain't too bad after all.

Intel/Hexus :\

dont know what the fuss is all about, esreality has been a corporate site for years why have ppl only just noticed this? its been about pro-gaming in wc3/cs/cod etc as much as quake for a very long time

truegamers.nu, xsreality 1st edition, early shack's, shod's house of demos, now they were fucking great quake sites!

Yeah those old sites ruled. XSR, CH-US, Truegamers, early Cached, and ShackES were excellent. Sadly there's no point in having sites like that anymore since there's not much community left.

The point is the Hexus nonsense.

i mean, im the first to say this hexus guy doesnt really have a clue, but i think its blown over. no ones even mentioned it in the admin forum for 2 days.

its business as usual now (gettit)

Admins gotta be quiet when they're on probation with the community.

i dont think anyone cares

The problem is the sponsors are seen as vastly more important than the userbase by some admins.

What they forget is that without a userbase (which will eventually happen if this censorship / flamebait / locking threads that dont appeal to the admins' mood of the day stuff keeps happening) there are no sponsors.

People come on internet to relax and sometimes even *gasp* get into a flamewar with no real point. It's called having fun, we do not want the big bad esreality police trying to make this site into a kosher discussion forum

as a jewberry i found that highly offensive

oiy!

<3

David Icke was right as we all knew. All hail Icke!

clearly i missed out on some recent drama

esr definitely has been pretty dead for a while though

if you want true e-sports, follow the starcraft scene. when sc2 comes out it will hopefully become an international phenomenon this time around ^_^

ok i read the recent drama and it's a really a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation

option 1) hexus gets pissed off that one of their hosted sites doesn't like them and boots esr of the network
option 2) HEIL HITLER

personally i think option 1 is a better idea because the site traffic has massively slowed down ever since the boom cause by quake 4 ended (i know that's how i ended up here and i'm sure a lot of other recent regs have too) and if sujoy has the spare time to stick mice on hotwired record players he's probably made of money anyway

c-c-c-combo breaker!

for the record, I used to not have an opinon about hexus except for "they are ok, they host esr" Same as most users I think.
But many simply didn't like a movie somehow related to them.

And now we start to dislike them for trying to go with option 2.

This thread is ESR, I love it :-) More of it please!

By the way, we got a list of about open 35 bugs/feature requests in the admin forum, all to improve ESR. The list is now half a year old and nothing has been done - the boss has no time. Will probably stay that way another 6 months.. but who cares.

I've given up to bring this site forward so I'm not putting any energy into that anymore. I rather just lean back and watch what's going on.

They say standstill is regression. ESR has been standing for a long time now but it seems it is so well established that it can stand still much longer.. Whatever game is dying again and again, the community here never does - ESR is immortal ;-)

I'd say the community is pretty much dead in comparison to what it was, there's very few big personalities on the site.

Me me me, ooo oo o o ooooooo, is it me?