Looking forward to it :)

Supposed to say first there, m8.

I guess this definitively grounds all hopes of a new color scheme for the menus?

:(

i loled

why not top 10 weirdest bugs instead of this 8(






:D

arQon, you have an idea of what the gameplay might be like?

Tribes Ultra Renegades.

Fuck yes.

CPM x Tribes = [borat] Very Nice! [/borat]

Reply of unexpected quality + Borat = [+]

Tits and giggles.

2 guys plus'ing each other is just gay

Now it's two guys and a vagina.

I'll take the vagina then

Interesting

hooray!

I noted tardwhine for future use

as long as i'll always win in your mod its ok

if impulse_win = 1;
then end_map;
else blowupworld = 1;

?

sorta :D

more like

if (strcmp(player1.name(),"impulse") == 0)
player1.wins();
else if (strcmp(player2.name(),"impulse") == 0)
player2.wins();
else
everyoneloses();

Nerd. ;)

#include <cstring> would come in handy here tbh xd

It's just too big a system, and too important to the Q3 community, for me to be able mess around in whenever I get the urge;

that's right.

and the tardwhine whenever ANYTHING changes in it is beyond ridiculous, even if it's something as meaningless as the color scheme of the menus, or as massively BENEFICIAL as the SuperHUD.

If it's meaningless, then fair play; change it. No one cares. Personally, I have not seen a single person being upset with the menu changes. But, in all honesty, if you have users and they don't like a change, it is NECESSARILY MEANINGFUL.

I don't know much about the SuperHUD, how useful it is, or how it has been received. I do know that CPMA has brought some good things to the table. It is mostly a good modification to a decent video game (in my personal opinion).

But it is interesting how you manage to forget the many degrees of freedom between "meaningless" and "beneficial." What about the things you've changed unnecessarily that arguably AREN'T meaningless? I won't bother bringing up anything in particular -- I'm sure someone else will do a good job of that if needed.

Your attitude just eludes me, really. I know this wasn't a post explicitly about CPMA, but I've seen you espousing a similar approach before, and, I must say, I don't get it. You have no obligation to appease the sensibilities of any one person or even an entire community, but, when you create something that a lot of people use, you've sort of become an integral part of how they do the things they do [involving that particular thing you created]. Ticking them off probably isn't a good thing, but I'm not a pacifist myself, so I don't care if you do that. I think it would be more appropriate if you took user input into account more than what you seem to, but I may be caricaturing you; please correct me if I am wrong about something.

However, I am most interested in the logic behind the decisions you've been making regarding "changes" to the modification. As you noted, the menu color scheme is arguably meaningless, so why change it? That doesn't make sense. As I said, if you want to, then that's fine. Some people may get upset; they may have an irrational attachment to the menu, or something else (they may even have a good reason!). Mostly, it's not an issue. But, in my experience, there are things you've changed that aren't necessarily meaningless and not necessarily beneficial. Why were THOSE changes made? Making a connection between the apparent illogic in changing something that isn't meaningful and the supposed rationality behind disturbing something (that you might consider anachronistic or might not) that is meaningful leads me to an obvious conclusion.

Maybe it's about him growing and learning as a developer/coding?

I'm not much of a coder, but I used to know a bit of HTML and CSS (aka, soft coder) and I constantly changed the way my personal webpages looked and worked. Not because the one I created before it was bad/broken, but because I wanted to explore the code and see what new things I could do. (Probably a very bad analogy to the level of talent arQon has.)

But my point is that we're all human. A painter never paints the same picture twice, nor does he paint what his critics tell him to paint, but he'd rather paint something that interests himself... and perhaps a wandering soul or two will happen upon that painting and find something of themselves in it?

I think CPMA and the CPM gameplay have both mostly matured and whatever tweaks happen to it are going to minor or minimal from here on out. Same with the community (however immature a lot of them are).

A painter never paints the same picture twice

afaik, vincent van gogh painted seven versions of his sunflowers picture, although they don't look completely the same

afaik, vincent van gogh was mentally unstable. :>

you imply that arqon is mentally stable

Just your garden-variety, absinthe-addict, suicidal, homosexual, temporal-lobe epileptic. Nothing unstable there.

sure sounds like arqon alright!

sounds like the majority of esr x

"although they don't look completely the same".. and therefore are different ;)

Is this one of those tardwhines i keep hearing about

Whats the mod called?

[competition starts now]

Q32K8? :P

I've (jokingly) referred to it as TAPP internally: cookies for the first person to work that one out, and to correctly guess what it's actually called (which is probably easier). :)

edit> Here's a hint: the A isn't for arQon.

Totally arQonistic, Purely Playing
Today All People Pay
Tomorrow's Altruistic People Ponder
Theodore and Penelope Poopsters


okay...


The arQon Poopie Palace.

Today All People Pay
I liked that one!

something arqon personal project ?

I like the poopie palace better. Has a nice ring to it.

tard application? (in reference to the "tardwhine" comment)

Try And Please Prats
TArdwhine Personal Project

I'm guessing the T stands for tardwhine.

The Anti-Poverty Project
Teacher Artist Partnership Programme
Think About Personal Pollution
Technical Assistance for Public Participation
Teacher Alternative Preparation Program
Thermochemical and Physical Properties
The Art of Positive Parenting
Technical Assistance for Parents Program
Total Access Partner Program (Adtran)
Time and Attendance, Payroll, and Personnel
Transportable Assemblage Perimeter Protection

tasty anchovies (and) pineapple pizza

ah, my favorite!

Team Arena Powerups Pwn

/me runs

The Alternate Promode Project?

ah now that's good

try and play please

Think And Play Please

it's a trap!

The Alternative Pro-Promode
Technique And Purist Promode
Traditional And Purist Promode



Who got the cookies?

The Anti Promode Project

The Anti Pole Project
(fingers crossed)

Troubled arQon Punching Pokemons

totally awesome pack of peanuts

Quick guess: The Alternate Promode Project

The Aircontrol Prevention Program

L A W L

rofl

So been over a year now.

Whats' TAPP ? :)

I think all commands in the Q3A engine should be changed to British English (e.g. colour "qqqqq" etc.)

Damn right. Hemo keeps changing them back when I "typo" them to colour in q4max ;)

e: and dont forget armour too ;)

Keep trying ! We must save the world from the lack of letters.

I, no joke, added aliases for "armour" to the cpma votelist / modes / etc years ago because I kept typing it right. :)

You really should rename them all in your new mod give us true English speakers some help for once.

Careful with that, I might look in your previous posts for "your/you're-its/it's-his/he's-their/they're" mistakes and such :P

Although, come to think of it, one might argue that making such mistakes pretty much proves you're English ;)

^-- the other thing hemo regularly corrects ;)

I mostly get them correct to be fair :)

you know, you brits really should learn to spell ARMOR/COLOR correctly... :p

The words have a U in them for a reason :)

well.. if you say the U, it almost sound french :P

what about cpma standalone?

Exactly what I'm wanting to hear.

I'm quite curious as to see what arQon's gameplay vission is for this one. Mentally I have him so linked to promode gameplay that it seems almost weird to me that he would have other concepts in mind. lol
Also.. if it doesn't get tied to QuakeZero/live then I fear it will be fruitless since q3 will be pretty much dead by then. CPMA has years of work from very knowledgeable and talented people(one look at the CPMA map packs will smack you in the face with that obvious fact), so starting new.. Lot's of work ahead!

Doesn't the stand alone have more to do with just the textures/models/sounds. Nothing too big on the coding side, afaik.

Pretty much waiting on the community to come up with new player models, sounds, and textures -- this will make it standalone.

tbh hardcore Quake community is too retarted, spoiled and conservative to deserve any good mod.

The game itself deserves good mods imo

retarted

lol

retarted

lol

rofl :)

retarted

lol

rofl :)

LOL

.

you're gonna split and ruin the community now..
as in the chronic tardwhiners will have to move to your new mod. magnificent!

nm they will then be modified tardwhiners.. new and improved version

I think the comment you've made validates his decision quite nicely.

Unless of course, you were joking.

was merely joking

arQon may not be the most likeable person, but god damn! i'd become bitter myself with all these moaning morons putting down my work for the shittiest reasons mostly..

this claims the end of ix's reign in the cpm gameplay choices

no, the start...

i hope so

Well I'll be happy not to see you playing PMX.

looking forward to it :)

1st request: maybe you should implement bots as it's the only way many of us will ever get to play it :)

Not looking forward to this at all:

"So I'll be using the new mod to get back to the Good Old Days of CPMA, when I was still free to improve the core Q3 technology and experiment with new gametypes on a whim"

What in the world made you think you cant do that right now with devmode? I've told you more than once you should try to experiment / play with it more.

CPMA is growing now and has some great momentum and right when it's doing better than ever you 'freeze' the project. To me the interesting thing about CPMA was that it was always moving forward.

Whining is important, it's feedback and I sort of figured you actually developed some skin against it but apparently that's not the case. People always kept playing the game and eventually appreciated a lot of the changes made.

Surely technically and probably even gameplaywise your new project will be very interesting but I have mixed feelings about it because this could have been done within the CPMA project and it's bound to take away players, the last thing we needed.

I think you're just doing a step backwards because when your new project has any succes you're bound to see the same whine again.

I wish you all the luck because I am gratefull for what you've done for me as a CPMA player but this is sad news for me and takes life and vitality out of the CPMA project / community.

A clean slate is sometimes required to make the biggest strides. CPM development to me seems restricted due to the playerbase and the maps.

does arQon get paid to code cpma?

no, and what do you imply with that btw?

he doesnt get paid for it, therefore he does it in his spare time... surely he can spend his free time by coding a new mod if he wishes?

although why he would want to keep coding for a bunch of ungrateful gits i have no idea :P

although why he would want to keep coding for a bunch of ungrateful gits i have no idea :P]

Its because he's not doing it for them, he's doing it for himself - see the painter analogy above ;)

good on him

Well I am not saying he cant do that obviously. I am just dont agree with his reasoning behind this step and that's why I am criticizing him.

He's making a public statement on ESR about it remember :)

I really dont appreciate your 'is he getting paid' remark. No one putting his energy in CPMA or anything around it is getting paid for it. Does that mean you cant have critique?

Also what makes you think the CPMA players are a bunch of ungrateful gits?

arQon has received and still receives a lot of praise for his work. It's peoples nature to complain and the internet takes some nuance away from that.

"Also what makes you think the CPMA players are a bunch of ungrateful gits"

because they always seem to be whining about something, thats why!

Oh, so you know them all ? :)

now make sense

*edited

the whiners are the ones who speak the loudest and make the community what it is

No, they don't really make the community. I think people who play it, of which there are thousands, make the community.

w/e they still whine

idd, whiners whine. Minorities exist. It doesn't signify anything, is the point. CPMA players are not a bunch of ungrateful gits. Over. :)

if they arnt they sure come across that way

Wow, you didn't understand anything I just said, did you?

same as

I'm guessing here, correct me if I'm wrong:

Firstly, it seems like you have no clue who svr is, because if you had an idea you would know how committed he is to keeping cpma alive and growing.

Secondly, your impression that we are a 'bunch of ungrateful gits' must come from reading esreality newspost comments where whine, regardless of game or mode, is omnipresent, and not places like the Promode forums where people are actually discussing ideas instead of joining the trollfest which esr has become.

no ofc i have no idea who he is .... geez

there's something burning in the oven .... geez

wtf mate?

as ur doing right now ;d

"arQon has received and still receives a lot of praise for his work"

what a crock of shit

LOL

Nicky got served.

if you like to think so ...

:)))))))))))))))))))))

no it could not have done within the cpma project and that's his point.

when you want to try out something new you want to be constantly able to completely change it. And it would simply not work if we got a new cpma release every 3 or 4 weeks.

There he needs a new mod which people who are interested can download and test, while others can keep using the actual version of cpma. Not even all servers have changed to 1.44 yet.

However, I don't think that the new mod could never be added to cpma. It just doesn't make any sense durgin the development phase.

could always have 1 stable release and 1 development release, stable for public usage and tournaments and dev for the handful of ppl interested in gameplay development

yeah sure.

but what woul be the difference, except for confused users?

the dev build could be updated every single day while the majority of users doesn't have to bother with it, only the people interested in it. a stable release could be done once everything is ready to go live, like every few months.

yes, I understand that.

But what is the benefit?


I mean you have a bigger download, possibly issues because changes influence the different mods, some new players might download the wrong cpm version and wonder why it doesn't work.

for the normal player nothing changes, and the cpma download aint THAT huge so you would run into bandwidth problems every other day. it's not that complicated to make a huge ad for the stable version, and then mention in small text somewhere below the developpers' build, with a note that's it's for testing purposes only and not recommended/necessary for the casual player. the same is done with various other games/software and works perfectly well :)
but that way you don't have to do everything from scratch again, and it is probably easier to get more betatesters that way because they're already connected to the developpers

yes all the problems are solvable but it still takes some effort.

I honestly don't know that much about modding but I would think it would be easy enough to just copy&paste the parts of cpma he wants and go from there.

people who are in touch with the devs won't stop because it's a new mod/name. at least I think so.

Oh well, time will tell if this new thing works out :)

I think you misunderstood the purpose of devmode.

I dont care what the original purpose was, it could have been used in another way. As if these things are set in stone.

"I don't care, I want it my way"

History shows that attitude is a great way to get on the good side of arqon.

Of course I want it my way, I am quite realistic about it not always happening my way but that's something else.

good luck i guess, altho i'd rather see you work on cpma dev section :)

Hopefully this wont split up the already split community too much. Still, good luck to all of your future projects

Fwiw :
+ Demo media
+ PR 1.32 paks (optional : minus their maps)
+ CNQ3
+ stripped down arQmod
= win at lunch breaks, fits on every usb stick and it's free :)

i see arQon still can't play well with others, can't accept others' opinions (they're always whiners or idiots) and still makes ppl who play promode look like elitist retards

perhaps now the 'design team' can really return to being a team?

No offense, but cpma players are elitist. Wouldn't call them retards, but still.

deleted misreply

wut

true MaJ

with all the respect: GTFO and take ix with you!

Why the stupid attitude? People put huge amounts of time and effort into making a new game for you to play and your response is 'GTFO'. It's not worth bothering for people who act like that and really makes me reconsider any involvement at all.

GTFI

so you coding guys really care if people whine about stuff? o_O

ix doesn't code, does he?

how does that matter, you know what i mean right? :p

ix doesn't care about black people

It's a shame actually, the whiners are the minority.

look at his latest posts you'll see that his opinions usually aren't really positive...

get the fuck under!!!!!

GL with your test mod, hope you get regular players to help you with the feedback before you implement another useless 'feature' into next CPMA release.

"It should be fun."
I hope this means ix is not part of the project !

y h8?

I dont get this kinda of behaviour towards developers.

Dont you like it? Dont play then

if all the people who hate ix or arqon weren't playing cpma, the game would be playerless. Actually, I'm sure it would be playerless today if svr weren't running the NA cups.

I could deal with all the changes made since 1.32, no matter how much I disliked them but the 1.43 rocket splash change really pissed me off. Its an unnecessary annoying change and its still impacting ALL the gameplays in the latest 145 beta while EVERYONE dislike it.

So y h8 ?
Well yruin.

Oh cmon

You sound like a spoiled 5 year old.
The game is free, they dont owe you shit and yet you come here talk trash. I mean, are they forcing you to play?
If you dont like x or y aspect of the game, report it and discuss it with the developers. If they dont give a shit about you, then fuck it, dont play it. ItŽs their business, and they sure must have their reasons to do what they are doing.

dude, already reported thousands times...
http://swing1oook.free.fr

Actually I'm stopping CPM. But what's really important is that the CPM splash radius change is affecting all the other gameplays aswell : CQ3, PMC and VQ3.

wrong, wrong, wrong, if you don't play the game, don't pretend like you 'know the community' that does.

*rolleyes* go code a Q3 mod then

This isn't *his* mod. He is the coder ffs. There is a reason this mod had a design team.

OK FFS

i might as well join in the trolling

wonder what drives 'em, eh?

you don't know ix :/

He is the lead CPM gameplay designer and the simple fact he's playing in online competitions sounds no good to me. Suggesting gameplay changes on the promode forum after having lost 5 minutes before and deleting others posts that goes in the opposite way of his ideas is even worse.

where can i play your joke of a q3 mod?

DTC.

go babelfish that =]

Dense?

http://www.dtc-net.dk/

du är helt bög i huvudet och borde sparkas i ansiktet av fjorton arga nynazister som är höga på meth.


go babelfish that "=]"

This is untrue and the only posts I've deleted are trippy's because he's banned for hacking. There are plenty of games out there for you to try where the devs don't or can't play the game.

lolomgixragegtfo!!!!!!!!

So I now have 3 demos of me losing against cheats!

Hmmm..

http://www.esreality.com/post/1709868/jamerio-vs-lukek/
http://www.esreality.com/post/1000443/anc-satan-vs-jamerio/
http://www.esreality.com/post/2013697/justanothernewb-vs-jamerio/

Awesome!

Wat?

There are 3 demos of me against cheats on esreality.
That's odd.

I'd like to see these changes and additions ix has implemented for his own benefit only.

he recently implemented a disconnect protection for at least 3 minutes into the game so that he can't ragequit anymore :D

just joking ix... i really have a lot of respect for the whole CPMA team for making an enjoyable game

Arqon shouldn't make mods because swinnginshook doesn't see him play.

Ix shouldn't make mods because he plays in competitions.


According to your logic, who's left to make mods?

I am!

On one hand you don't play. On the other - you're omnipresent.

you maybe, until you'll ask yourself whats the point making mods if nobody dare playing them :P

Also, I'm looking forward to this new project so you may reconsider your first statement -_-

Mods are personal projects. It's like setting a small short term goal for yourself. It's beneficial to you in many ways even if people aren't playing it. You learn, you create and best of all you have a sense of accomplishment.

I know ix and I can safely say that he never suggests gameplay changes on a whim. He always has arguments to backup his assumptions and admits it if some of the changes haven't worked out.

"He is the lead CPM gameplay designer and the simple fact he's playing in online competitions sounds no good to me."

What the fuck has this to do with anything? Cant the guy enjoy the game as you do just because he works on it? Do you think he is influencing the development in his "favor" ? ThatŽs ridiculous, and even if he is i would like to see how he is doing that lol

I've spent so much time testing the game in all maps to see how bad results the new rocket splash could lead to (I was already aware of those results somehow, thanks to warsow 0.07 testing which had it fixed very quickly by the devteam :o)

And since the majority of us seems to dislike it, I came to the conclusion that ix is making some changes according to his last game results rather than players opinions. Even Vo0 requested a fix on #promode after a game on CPM15.

I mean, this splash system have been there for almost 3 versions already, why does it have to be kept, why should it impact all the other gameplays too... Seriously I don't get it, as a simple rollback could fix everything.

I know its stupid to stop enjoying CPMA because of such a change, but its a matter of principle.

call me a newb but what is the splash problem?

the extreme radius?!

From the latest ZeRo4 interview : "Yah, the CPMA I’ve been playing on sucks. The movement is reduced, there is some bug in which rockets don’t hit..."

been there since vq3
the splasharound removal is in cpm maybe?

unfortunately its in all the gameplays :'/

please elaborate

Nah, this guy tries hard but he really doesnt know. The old rocketsplash bug AKA bluebug that have been haunting q3 since release is fixed in 1.45 CPMA. What this guy is talking about is damage not going through walls, which can give some weird situations when you fight on grounds with cracks or holes in them..

Even with numerous explanations he still cannot understand why damage doesnt occur when you cant draw a straight line from the center of the rocket to the place of impact without hitting any obstacles... Its logic, and its fixed and you have more solid behaviour this way. I would still prefer the good old damage through walls stuff though :)

* Oh yeah, and his comment about the Zero4 interview is just lol... Zero4 prolly havent played cpma for years and if he did he is also pretty clueless as to whats going on.

Only the dm6 jumppad model's norocketdamage-bug is fixed in 1.45 beta, not the whole wrap-around splash system that should be back in VQ3 (and maybe PMC too)

ofc splash wrap-around != thrufloors

Do you mean where the splash goes "over" an edge?

For example map = ztn3:

Player 1 = on the edge of the platform at GL
Player 2 = Rail-Shards

Player 2 fires a rocket, hits the vertical edge of the platform and Player 1 takes damage?

Please. If Fatality said so, then it's true.

ahh thanks

never really noticed it too much myself, i imagine with CPM being as fast as it is it seems much less of an annoyance

I can see why it annoys VQ3 players though

its very annoying to cpm players too, but with everything else you just have to get used to it and try to avoid the bad situations.

Since when do explosions follow the line of sight? One might think it would rather follow a pressure gradient or something along those lines, imagine a fireball coming through a window, will it remain a rectangular shape or bend around the corners?

I was gonna say that :(

it might be logic on the paper but it really looks weird in game

/me tardwhines @ arQon to include CPMA features ;)

if that means there's cpm in QuakeLive, nP~

I still think it should be named QuakeLove, nP~

Any chance of a swinging hook?

mew?

Awesome! anything that includes arQon cant be bad.

CS promod?!?

Awesome news can't wait to play this. Lets hope the movement is more like qw and less like cpma ;-D

lets hope its very different than either :)

looking forward to it

Cant wait to play this mod.

Weak posts from svr and majuninor and the like.

Bring back old LG in 1.44 and I'll care what you do next.

why don't you make a standalone game?
with ogre3d engine, etc.

cspromod on q3 engine? :S

would be awesome tbh

arQon is too smart to do that.

Out of curiosity, do you have a core gameplay concept that you're shooting for with this new mod? Or is it simply something to toy around with?

I hope it's Quake Chess.

With stair-jumps.

There's already a quake chess mod for Q1, as far as i recall. Lots of epic lulz, that.

Lots of epic lulz

Typing stuff like that makes you sound like some 13-year old that read 4chan for 10 mins. Whatever happened to the good old way of getting heard by using caps-lock or excessive exclamation marks ?

I'm not sure what is this 4chan you speak of.

actually its spelled ebaumsworld.

common typo.

I'm at loss here, gentlemen. I was merely exhibiting the fun factor of 'Quake Chess' Quake 1 modification, and you're now accusing me of being part of... some sort of laser cults. I'm not anti-semitic. I'm a perfectly innocent and legit citizen.

IMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER

you missed that: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1423734 ?=)

I know, but it doesn't have stair-jumps :(

cool, looking forward to it

looking forward to something new that will get me playing again!

i have some ideas for arQon new gameplay! =)
1) all guns from cpm
division of guns into pairs: RG&PG, LG&BFG, RL&SG, MG&gauntlet, GL&altGL (altGL explode at hit consuming 2 ammo with more projectile speed and less gravity)
if you take one gun from pair you get both guns from pair, but ammo only for taken gun
switchtime between guns from pair is 0, between guns from different pairs is the same as in vq3
_impulse for switch between guns form pair
as option guns may be rebalance to make one gun from pair more powerfull and than increase respawntime of ammobox for more powerfull gun
2) armorsystem from vq3, but ga gives 35 points with limit 100 , ya - 60 with limit 150, ra - 110 with limit 200.
megahelth gives 90 hp and health not count down
3) base moving from vq3, accel 13.5 =), crouchsliding from q4 but with a litle delay after cs (about 10 ms) remaining friction 0 to make easier jumping after cs for noobs like me =), double gravity for crouching players =))
4) gravityvolumes and portals like in prey, special shaders for walljumping, two types of water - fast (fast speed and low accel) and slow (slow speed and high accel) or something, mb new powerup - scuba diving =), powerup giving posibility for aerocontrol and ut-like doublejumps
idea of 4 is that gameplay must more depend on map

Your ideas are shit.

wow that sounds pretty random and 100% unlikely to be any good :D

POLES DONT LIKE CROUCHSLIDING

I'd like to see your response to post #16

/me guesses at "#16 is an example of tardwhine?"

where's the whine?

The whole tone of the post?

Modders do not owe the community explanations for changes they choose to make, just as gamers don’t own modders explanations as to which mods they choose to play.

#16 seems to expect a justification for every change made. That is not how it works, even in the commercial world. Microsoft don’t justify to their customers why the Word 2007 interface is totally different to the 2003 version - but they make the change because they believe it is for the good of the product.

Yet there probably are good explanations for why every little change that has generated whine was made, and probably those reasons justify the changes - but people would whine anyway because its human nature to resist change, so theres not much point giving the explanations and then getting into arguments you can never win.

For example I've seen whine about the new simple items. Was this just done because the CPMA team felt it needed a new look? Or was it done as a small step towards being able to support a standalone version of CPMA? If you want it stand alone, then you *have* to accept change. Textures will change. Hud icons will change. Menu media will change. Models will change. Sounds will change. Yes, you'll even lose keel/TankJr, which I'm certain will generate a LOT of whine, even if replaced with "similar" models + sounds. Yet most people recognise that in the long term, stand alone CPMA would be a good thing.

If you want the game to be maintainable and logical x years down the line, the code should be as bug free, and as clean as possible. Not cluttered with options added years ago which turned out to be bad ideas, or with hacky workarounds to bugs which don’t quite work, but left in because some players found ways to exploit the bugs. arQon basically said in #0 CPMA is already on the edge of the codebase being manageable.

It's not clean code it's game molesting. You want to alienate your playerbase with every major release, don't become a modder. It is your mod right, do whatever you want, but don't expect the community to like it if you change things all the time.

Not a single thing on this planet succeeds if it's changed all the time. A little more community participation and not labeling everyone who doesn't agree an idiot would also help a bit, but well it's arQon, the self crowned king of Quake mods. He might be good at what's he doing to the code, he fails of whats he doing to the community since years, that's why 10 year old mod OSP is still played by 10 times more people as CPMA ever was.

You might reason, that all OSP players are idiots, but I rather not put my enjoyful gametime in someones hands who can butcher the game beyond belief in the next release, just because he owns nothing to me or the rest of the community. After 9 years of Quake 3, I don't feel the urge to rediscover it all the time, but yes there are guys who like to do this, obviously the majority is not.

And yeas to some extent even minor changes can spoil someones fun, consistency is not on arQons side.

It's not clean code it's game molesting. You want to alienate your playerbase with every major release, don't become a modder

Why? Nobody plays my Q3 mod, but I enjoyed creating it. Why do you think we should care about what you want?

cuz we love u

Of coruse, do you have ambitions for you mod? Probably not, CPMA strives to be the competitive mod of Quake 3 and probably the future Quakes if they decide so to continue.

Long story short, how can be something competitive, if it changes from day to day without taking the input from the community into consideration and only brute force changes which time and again change how the game plays?

There is no consistency in this mod, and thats why it was never used, because one day it plays like this, the other day it plays like that, you can go on and say "oh, that's superb for the code and the game, you need to make those changes to perfect it", but the community has spoken in all those years, where CPMA the self proclaimed pro mod, was almost never used in any major competitions, only now they are starting to use it and what's the major response from "pro" players? I tell you "OSP would be better."

Frankly I don't give a damn ass about all this, but don't try to say that arQon doesn't want recognition for what he does or the entire CPMA team, however they wont get major recognition aslong as they mess with gameplay changes from day to day and wont finaly decide what they really want.

A experimental mod or a solid mod for competitive gaming, which as said, they claim to be doing, the reality is, it's far from it.

My personal preference is OSP, I love all the fixes and stuff in CPMA, but everytime I download and play it there is something different. I may be an idiot and so may be others, but after 9 years I would like to launch the game and not have to learn it again from day to day, I want it to stay as it is, with CPMA I can't do this, I might start playing it now, but with the next release I will be "lost" again. I say Fuck this, it's time to stop messing around, that's why OSP is king in that department, it may have gazillion of bugs, old id bugs, but it plays the same from day to day and that's what the majority wants, if you don't get that in your head, stop pretending to code for the community or proclaiming the mod is the best there is for Q3, we are not guinea pigs, we want to play, but how can we if the game changes every time?

Oh my dog, what a gimp.

cpma vq3 hasn't changed anything apart from the oh-so-evil "85 fps movement" and the netcode and last time I checked it is the competetive mod.

Get over it.

On the other hand there's plenty of osp servers floating around so no one is forcing you to play something that you don't like.

:EEEEEEEEE

Floating :-))))) I see what you did there.

I think he's pissed off at constant CPM gameplay changes.
IIRC he whined about a few of them 5-6 years ago..something about CPM CTF.

You are indeed right, there's more OSP servers as there is CPMA server, which makes you wonder, why the heck does a dead mod still manage to have more servers and more players as a frequently updated and oh so superb one? And the best part it, half of them doen't even run VQ3 but the prehistoric CPM of OSP.

Speaks for itself, doesn't it.

becasue server admins are lazy and dont update/change?

think about it

Or because cpma only recently incorporated vq3 and isn't the mod that was used for years and years..

To be honest it doesn't speak of anything, Britney has sold millions of records, etc...

I'm not here to argue which mod is "better" , technically it's cpma.

I also play osp because I'm not averse to vq3 and there's active pub ctf & tdm servers which is nice for a noob like me.

As to osp servers running cpm, I only fuzzily recall a few ca servers in sweden but then again i don't play ca so maybe more have mushroomed overnight.

i think the definition of perfection changes with the times. that's why the only multiplayer games i play anymore are blizzard games and cpm. they're endlessly tweaked to today's definition.

when most companies finalize a game and don't support it anymore, it's because they're working on something else and they don't expect people to play it anymore. the major portion of their audience are constantly moving from game to game.

if you play the exact same thing over and over for years, you're going to learn every little nuance and "exploit" until it becomes not "who's the most skilled" but "who makes the mistake".

maybe i'm wrong, but i don't think i'm alone in my wrongness.

Depends on the scale and type of the mod though I assume? If you have a bunch of guys (or even just one guy) that spends months and months makin something im betting he would it think it's nice to have some people playin it?
If it's a one time thing, a small mod, that i'snt meant for long time development. Then I can see how the mod team wouldnt care about 0 people playing it. But I do not believe that Arqon (just as an example) would have kept developing his mod 0 people were playin it.

"Modders do not owe the community explanations for changes they choose to make, just as gamers don’t own modders explanations as to which mods they choose to play."

Just because they dont owe it to them formally doesnt mean they owe it to them because it's the way to work?

CPMA comes for a very great portion to arQon's credit but there's a community that has to be taken into consideration if you want things to work out and I think arQon has done that to a reasonable extent but:

I never really understood arQon's approach to people, being awefully arrogant and belitteling even towards players who dont have any bad intent. I think a lot of whine and rage could have been avoided by just bringing things in a different way.

A good example is the removal of pmove and the move to fps-independat movement code which was a great technical and practical achievement that made the game so much more solid.
He managed to say people had been 'abusing' pmove in the past or what not.

Players just use the best options available so I never understood why he formulated things that way (there are more examples).

Yes people will whine about the most trivial stuff and surely it's annoying when u just spend hours of time on it but in the end it's better to have people who whine instead of people who are indifferent to change.

Modders do not owe the community explanations for changes they choose to make, just as gamers don’t own modders explanations as to which mods they choose to play.

Hmm? Modders do indeed owe the community explanation for changes they choose to make, that is if they expect the players to use their mod. I mean the bottom line when making a mod like this has to be making something that users like, and if you consider yourself too high and mighty for user input then people won't care much for you or your mod. You're saying people shouldn't express their opinions? How the hell were you raised.

and if you don't think people complain about microsoft changes.. you're quite insane

People complain, but do Microsoft ever answer the complaints with justifications for every change? No, of course not.

Thats what #16 was demanding arq do

Everyone has the right to express their opinions. But they dont have a right for anyone to pay attention to them, or for them to justify themselves (ie, what #16 wanted).

Equally, you as a community have no right to demand anything of coders who are giving up their free time for you. If they want to make a change for themselves, thats their decision. If you dont like what they do, make your own mod. If you cant, then tough - unless you're a paying customer, you have no claim what-so-ever on any developers time.

But, read what I wrote in the parent - in general the changes *are* for the good of the mod - eg progress towards standalone, or fixing and cleaning up code to make it more maintainable and consistent.

Wasting time with endless debates about justifications for every change isnt in anyones interest, it just wastes time that would be better spent developing.

haha, i didn't know you did q4max

SOURCE OF INFORMATION RIGHT NOW BEFORE I SUE YOUR GREENLANDIC PENGUIN ASS

NEVER

When you decide to contribute something that affects the society and tournaments and actively compete with other mods, as you have, refuting criticism and justification with "well, you can just make your own" or "you're not paying for this" shows bad etiquette, in my opinion. It isn't just your mod anymore. I'm not saying you should put up with rudeness, but maybe there's a better way to respond to criticism and questions than "make your own".

My point exactly

sure they can, get over it.


In the end if the new stuff is all so very bad why don't you just kreep playing the version you like?

sure they can, everyone *can* be an idiot, idiot.

yeah and people can chose to stop thinking and call others idiots instead. doesn't make them right though.

Try this:

If they really started a policy to answer each and every crticisim, regardless if it's constructive or random whine and regardless if it's not even posted on their own feedback forums, they would be answering questions al day instead of coding. Especially since you would have to answer the exact same questions over and over again.

For people who actually sell their products that policy might be worthwhile. But for people doing it free they want to do what they enjoy, like the designing and coding. And they have every right to do so.
Forcing them to do something as you are trying is just completely insane.


As an example:

You build an awesome sandcastle during your vacation. A bus full of old tourists then took a picture of it. Now those people demand that you keep building the castle, because after all you started. Also you have to build it like they want it, and whenever you build a part that you want you have to answers all questions and give detailed reasons why you did it.
Sounds stupid?


Well, read your posts again...

that's an.. awful example

seems like a correct example tho:D

yes, a sandcastle that you're building at the beach is exactly the same as producing a competitive mod that thousands of users use. just a great example, dumbass :>

You're not even trying to understand it... imo you're the dumbass here:P

what's not to understand? a sandcastle is something you make and is entirely irrelevant to everyone except for yourself and for a brief ten seconds the people that walk by. what it's not though, is something thousands of end users will rely on in a tournaments and online play. it is not something anyone depends on. it was a bullshit condescending anology that didn't in any way relate to my post which i'll ask you to read.

you don't seem to know a lot about old people.
Vacation pictures are a kind of competition to them.

And the tournament part f your argument is simply bullshit. There is no one who makes you use the new version. No one.

Just like those old people could use the first picture instead of demanding a bigger and better castle...


ONe last question though. Are you an only child?

it's definately not a perfect analogy, and probably not even a good one. Nevertheless it is fitting.

Let's see you come up with a better one that helps your point.

You're the government, your task was to develop a park and add some football pitches to it for use in the local Sunday league scheme. You do this and everyone is happy.

Then either:
A) You then sit back and let the grass grow long, the goal posts get damaged etc. Soon enough the pitches are no longer fit for use by the Sunday league scheme.

B) You change the sizes of the pitch, goal posts, where the lines are painted etc. The game would now play significantly different that the Sunday league scheme would rather use another mod.

They begin complaining and whining for you to fix it and you ignore them and give no explanation for your changes.

Of course in this situation I guess arQon would be more like a private land owner (Since we essentially pay the government to do things whereas we don't pay him) who developed some land into a park and added football pitches and allowed the Sunday league scheme to use them but it is still a far more fitting analogy than your sandcastle analogy(Especially for what hnns is arguing).

hehe was answer with the private owner part too. Cause the government officials get payed for their job.
Well, definately a better analogy than mine. However I don't see how it would help hnns' point at all.

He is just depicting the mentality of someone who is offered a finger and then demands the whole hand.


as clarification:

If arQon decided to remove a swing and put up a slide instead hnns would be part of the angry mmob that demands justification for the outrage...

Actually, a more fitting analogy would be removing one link each of the chains of the swing, thereby changing the "feel" of the swing without having any real impact on gameplay (which, I guess, would be swinging as high as possible or something, i dunno, haven't induldged in competitive swinging in years)

The amount of twists you can make before you have to let it spin around really fast.

you're right.

Removing the swing completely would be like removing shaft and replacing it with shock rifle. In which case I would probably sympathize with the mob too :P

Actually, a more fitting analogy would be that they fixed a rounding error in the physics of the swing that meant at different frames per second you could swing slightly higher and faster and then standardised the physics which enabled them to add more accurate prediction methods and made stuff like multi-view swings smoother.

I remember when my local park did that :/, couldn't do swing2roundabout anymore :/.

swing2roundabout sounds sweet :o

I call dips on fake nick


/edit

on second thought, it sounds kinda

That's not what hnns is saying.

When you decide to contribute something that affects the society and tournaments and actively compete with other mods, as you have, refuting criticism and justification with "well, you can just make your own" or "you're not paying for this" shows bad etiquette, in my opinion. It isn't just your mod anymore. I'm not saying you should put up with rudeness, but maybe there's a better way to respond to criticism and questions than "make your own".

Therefore in the landowner example, he is saying that if he wants people to use the pitches (Which he did since he allowed the Sunday league to use it) then he shouldn't just brush them off with nothing answers such as "Buy your own land" or "It's free" and to explain the motives behind the changes would be a better option (Even if it is just once in an official place, although I believe cpma team seem to do this anyway just people don't look).

The analogy fits the situation more and therefore allows hnns position to make more sense. In your sandcastle one which barely fits the situation it makes hnns argument make no sense at all.

in a way you are correct however he demands justification for stuff like: "Why did you trimm the grass to 3.5 cm and not 3.6?"

Or "Can't you rotate the field by 5° so that the sun has less impact".

hnns is being general since he doesn't play much and isn't a cpm player :)

ehm? i demand that you point out to me where i did anything simular? fyi i've never complained about anything in q4max or cpma, you've completely misunderstood the situation. and no, i'm not an only child, i am the youngest child though so that should still that fit that image of me you've created in your head :>

nah the youngest childs always get the used clothes so that doesn't fit.

Ok, I have to admit that you never asked such things yourself. However you said that such question must always and possibly repeatedly be answered.

And that "if you don't like it you are free to go somewhere else" is not an acceptable answer.

Thus, you're not allowing a choice to ignore certain questions and basically encourage any kind of nagging.



Also you should note that "Play something else" or "Create your own" wasn't the immediate reply. But instead they were just ignored.

i think you read what you want to read. you're putting words in my mouth which i never said, misinterpreting pretty much everything i wrote! but i don't think it's deliberate so lets just chalk it up to you being german and you're off the hook :>

Unfortunately you are partly correct. At some point I did mix some of your statements with svr's.

But you were the one who said "It isn't just your mod anymore", which I believe is simply bullshit. Only because some people want something or use it does not give them any ownership at all. (That actually why I asked the "only child question")


Anyway, In the end my main point is still also directed to you.

It is way too much work if every questions about cpm even if you don't include the rude ones. And since there the people asking the questions don't offer any compensation or made any investment other than "I'll maybe play your mod" there is no obligation whatsoever.

Well at least arQon could u just considerate my point @promode topic, and rly do smth for that because this callvote stuff is really pissing me off, and if u want to i can find u a coder who can help ya in your work!

The angry pole project?

noctis and light raging poles since '08

You're boring with your anti-polish bullshit, seriously man ;) Seems like you got some really bad memories connected with my nation, hehe. Was it a rape, or just regular fat ass kicking?

I can't read ESR comments on anything related to CPMA without wanting to punch something (preferably you guys). I can completely understand why arQ would want to avoid this kind of shit.

(rest of post deleting because it was somewhat hypocritical)

im interested in this mod.
like said from others pls try to include some bots to play and test around.
even if they are not very intelligent at the beginning, but that all
people have something to play with.
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on the new mod: dunno, have you thought about adding a more
dimensional gameplay into quake3 ? maybe when looking at
a game like descent or forsaken. ofc it should be easy to play like q3 is.
few buttons to press, simple design.
or i have thought about walking on walls for example...
descent itself is not fully playable because it needs too many buttons imo for the added roomdepth.
or adding more vertical gameplay so that players can develop new
thoughts nearly not possible in real architecture or realistically designed games. ofc not flying models which are limiting
leveldesign and gameplay very much, walls or ceiling maybe.
k nothing new for a sonicfan i guess :/
and as its a new mod maybe think about getting rid of all warping
netcode settings and making default updaterate higher (if possible when still supporting bad inet connections like isdn which is important) and steppingspeed less fast than promode because then its looking more realistic and better for the eye.k only some thoughts i have developed, maybe you like smth. hf+gl

"I'm going to start working on a new mod for Q3 (and Q0 if it supports them..."

God, we hope not!

god doesnt exist

yeah i know, but it sounds more seriously

sif

Why would you care if a mod is being released for a game? What's it to you? How does it affect you in any way unless you choose to let it affect you by downloading and playing it?

also: #228

i'm not going to talk with cpma fanboys and arqons asslickers

Why do you insist on behaving like every pole stereotype...makes me wonder if you're really polish at all or rather someone trying to make other poles look bad.

I am pole, and i care not about mods but about whole community which now is on arqons grace and have to live with his dumb "pro ideas". If there will be no arqons mods in QL there will be no problems. You know what I am talking about ? Sure you know and now you will start to protect your "promodegod", thats why i wrote #245. Just stand aside and do not reply.

I really don't know what you're talking about. You still haven't answered my questions.

As if you didn't notice, he answered your questions arleady. Apart from "why you Pole" question which I dare to answer:

fuck you, german fat ass.

And here I thought no one could make poles look worse than Xsi.

German fat kid raged, OH YEAH \o/

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pR1rZZHEs

If idsoft keep supporting q0 with updates, then I guess you are correct, mods aren't "necessary".

But if they don't, then you are stuck with baseq0 unless someone improves the game.

Try playing baseq3 for a few minutes. Have a nice day.

Sure they will, if not Syncerrors absence here would be useles, same with Sanbox thread

lol, u nerds take games too seriously

that shirt you're wearing is gay

your gay

you're a towel

I found Waldo.

awesome news Kevin, always great to hear you are upto something new and different... interested in what will be possible with q0 but only time will tell...

otherwise what ever you recon is worth trying is worth playing :)

you angry freeloaders need to get some lady hugs and chill out

S... Sw.... *caugh* ... Swinging HOOK!?!

So much time and energy wasted for nothing... I like that!

I agrew with FTN and hnns comments.

The problem with coders is they lack social skills.

All I can see from these modmakers is
"my way or the highway"
"go make your own mod then"

Its so sad really, but fundamentally they are entitled to it I guess. But they probably dont realise their mods will never have mass appeal to players.

The DeltaCTF mod is a good recent example. That was beyond a joke actually, the arrogant attitude to a callvote and not listening to the community got them nowhere, deservedly so IMO. Maybe lessons will be learnt from that episode.

The best thing quakers could do is boycott the mods of coders with these attitudes. Luckily we had Rhea and his OSP. The rest were left fighting for the crumbs. The rest should take a step back and understand why OSP was so successful if they want their mod to have mass appeal and be the #1 Quake Mod. Because you can be sure your "market" will be the Q3 OSP players again in Q0.

Q0 will be come and they cycle will begin again, there will only be 1 most popular mod, the rest fighting for the scraps.

Personally I think the X-Battle team would give quakers what they want and just remember to give them a chance when Q0 comes around. Because comments from the CPMA team and Q4max developers on here are worrying :o)

To be worried, offended of upset because the mod devs dont listen or give credit to every little whiner is so ridiculously nerdy. The only thing that is important to me is how good the end result is and although far from perfect Q4Max and CPMA are easily the best mods for competitive gaming for Q4/Q3.

And I'm in no way a fan boy, for instance there a lot of aspects of CPM I fundamentally disagree with. As for OSP a lot of the work on this mod was done by arq himself and a lot of the groundwork on CPMA was done by Rhea so that paragraph of your post was kinda pointless.

On the other hand what you should have many worries about and who you should have every right to whine at is the commerical producers themselves of the actual games that you spend your hard earned money for. The current id team (who have members in the deltactf mod you so criticised) are saying all the right things and trying to come across as the saviors of the fps competitive community with Q0. Yet I think anyone without the memory of a goldfish will have serious concerns about the quality of Q0 when it gets released.

Q4Max is the best mod for q4 year because every1 else pretty much deserted the game. Still another, release, and they cannot fix something as fundamental as the netcode. You can't polish a turd I guess, maybe they are not able to because of that bad engine/SDK limitations.

I agree CPMA is easily the best mod for Q3 also, albeit technically. I "campaigned" myself alot to get XS4ALL to run CPM VQ3 CTF servers and to get Jolt leagues to switch also. But it didn't happen because the players (that allmighty you call the whiners) don't want it.

Sure arq prolly developed modules that they shared amongst osp/cpma under some common licsense but end of the day rhea was leading the direction of the mod, and that seems to me to not fuck around with the underlying principles. If Arqon honestly cared, he would've carried on the goodwork and developed the mod with the same principles. Instead it seems he has just took ownership of it which means I can't even help to improve it, its closed off, I cant get/see the source. So much for helping the community eh. The most successful q3 mod, and its just killed in jealously ;)

You may call me a nerd bastard, im no more nerdier than you for posting in the same thread and forum as me :o)

I didnt mean to be overly critical to the DeltaCTF/syncerr dev team, but you gotta admit, people "voted with their feet" on that one. A failed campaign as you can get. SYncerr is prolly smart enough to already know what went wrong, and in Q0 they seem to be asking all the right questions and even how to fix the osp hoverboard feeling. Something the CPMA team wont even address in their VQ3 mode.

Listen to the consensus of the community is all I'm saying to mod developers, and the quake world is your oyster....

even how to fix the osp hoverboard feeling. Something the CPMA team wont even address in their VQ3 mode.

What? Do you mean the feel of the physics? if so, I'd go into Qlive expecting the physics to feel like CPMA VQ3.

Why? Are they making a game for themselves, too?

Because id will fix the bug in the same way I expect and I doubt they'll bother tweaking settings to get it ever so slightly faster/higher when they are creating new maps anyway

agree with everything there... gaming is becoming less and less enjoyable for me, maybe because i'm taking it more seriously, but i think developers are caring more about 'correct' and 'neat coding' than gameplay itself :s

I don't think most developers seem to care about correct and neat coding :)

i am in no way overly favorable for CPMA, i may even prefer a brief switch to osp again for the original physics (faster 120 fps movement), but this is the best comment on here.

Your conclusions are pretty tenuous, OSP was so successful as the mod for Q3 competition because yes, it was very solid, but also because it's competition Q3Comp was unjustly abandoned after the Bluebug (ID bug, would have happened in OSP too) and the author stopped after getting sick of the community. There were no other VQ3 mods at the time, CPMA didn't have VQ3 for years. Rhea then stopped after getting sick of the community.

The community is going to end up with no one modding for it, perhaps some bad mods in the X-Battle vein, then people will remember how nice it was to have solid mods. At least you'll have your precious bugs and no doubt more besides.

The way I see it, OSP just became better, and Rhea and OSP already had the name recognition as being solid developer and mod, and listening to the community. Also it was CPL blaming q3comp solely for the bug, but i'm sure that catched to some of the community. CPMA was never a threat to OSP when Rhea was around, I dont know if Rhea asked arqon to include vq3 into CPMA when he stopped developing it, as a favour to the community, or if arqon saw it as a chance to get OSP crowd in to CPMA/CPM, maybe you know? I guess the fact that OSP is so widely played even today, is a testament to the fact, that listening to the community is the first priority, if you want to make a succesfull mod.

What did Rhea get sick about in the community, by the way, as you seem to be in the known? Generally he seemed to be very praised figure and I think arQon would still be very appreciated and liked for he's work in the OSP community, if it wasnt for he's weird ego-attacks against OSP community, after OSP was closed down, for sticking what they like, and not liking he's latest work, which he apparently made only for himself...go figure.

Dude, the only basis for your opinion is, well, your opinion and what you think happened. Just check your post for expressions like "the way i see it/I'm sure that/I guess/he seemed to be/apparently" and you'll notice that you're making up a discussion out of thin air...

Are you trying to say, that I shouldn't have my own opinions and thoughts?

No, that's not what I'm trying to say.

Yes, he's a nazi after all

He's saying your opinion is pointless because you don't seem to be aware of a few things like CPMA was based on OSP code and around 2002 it dropped support for VQ3 entirely so of course it didn't compete with it, plus before that chances are it was either not as good or on a par with OSP (considering they continued to share code and new features) so why would people switch anyway, basically you're just saying a dick load of nothing.

I would be very interested to hear how did you conclude, that I was not aware about the synergy between OSP and CPMA, from my post? Maybe you just had bad luck when thinking?

Next time, try to read also the post that I'm replying to. IX was implying that CPMA not having vq3 affected OSP's popularity, when in my opinion ( yes, Poub, I'm again speaking from my own point of view and how I experienced those times) cpma having or not having vq3 would have had no effect to OSP while it was developed.

Wow, it's amazing how far A.I. chat programs have come today, he seems almost lifelike

No, ix said that there were no other VQ3 mods around and then pointed out for anyone who may not know that CPMA didn't have VQ3, probably to avoid anyone replying with "but CPMA supports VQ3". I fail to see how that is him claiming that the 2 mods would've competed and the only way to settle it would be to have arqon and rhea strip to the waist, oil up and wrestle but then rhea slips and accidentally pulls down arqon's pants and their eyes meet and rhea cups his... wait, what.

WADAFAK

rofl

Well, contrary to some others, I kinda agree with you :)

I'm absolutely baffled as to why ANYBODY would have a problem with someone exploring their own creativity and ideas.

As a gamer, I'm curious to see what comes of this new mod.

CPM is as solid as it gets. It doesn't need to be babied until the end of time.

CPMA, Q4MAX, CSP and a new q3 mod. How can you still have free time?!

AJ is the main dev for q4max, he only there cuz his a prominent dick :D

Smart people don't have to work 40 hours a week.

i guess smart people live at their parents and hang out at irc all day =)

Sort of meant that he might charge ridiculous amounts so he only has to work little. Iirc he did/does consulting something at some point if my braincell doesn't completely fail me.

You forgot to add CNQ3 :)

is part of the ultimate CPMA standalone project :)

<3
hope u will do something for QuakeLive

canŽt you wait untill quakelive is actually released before you deform the game with your hilarious netcode idiocy? is it necessary that you do this in advance?

I plussed you in much the same way that I gave 50 cents to the mentally retarded hobo sitting under the bridge this morning on my way to work

funny

He smiled at me graciously as well...eerie coincidence

DON'T LIKE IT? DON'T PLAY IT.

fucktard

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1484070

bahaha

bump.. spring has passed
where art thou?

I'm a modder, myself. Just curious why you're going to work on the Quake III engine?
I know you've come far in Quake III, worked some on Half-Life 2, and I guess Quake IV.

I mean Quake III cannot even be bought in most stores anymore. You mainly have the community already there, with maybe a few Steam users popping up. Perhaps a few other download sites. While yes, Quake Live will come around, it's untelling if it'll support mods or even if Quake III will go back on the market.

However, I understand that you can make stand alone Quake III mods now and actually sell them. I don't have any idea about that at all, so, I'm pretty interested in the Quake III engine myself. You also know a lot about the Quake III engine, so...

One last thing I'd like to say is when's the last time id worked on Quake III? It's probably been years. Quake Live is the new update, which in many ways is an interesting update in the least. One of the main reasons I didn't want to work on an id engine was because they always keep making new engines and pretty much just stopped on their last one for the most part.

Not that I'm trying to complain, I've even worked on a few engines myself. But overall I just don't like the constant engine making.

Either way good luck, I never played much Quake, but I hated not being able to strafe jump, so, my short time in Quake III was on CPMA!

> Just curious why you're going to work on the Quake III engine?

Because, simply, it's still the best MP engine in the world. Period. Money has nothing to with it, never has, and never will.

It's no longer the PRETTIEST, but I've never pandered to (or even cared about) the retards who think that e.g. DX10 means a game is better AS A GAME than DX7 "because it's 3 higher!", but despite that it still looks shockingly good even now with everything cranked up - in many ways better than virtually every modern "plastic" engine.

Having the entire thing opensourced means there'll never be a bug that we just have to eat shit on just because the developer has "abandoned" the engine, and you can hardly expect any company to support every product indefinitely.

What are your opinions on mods vs stand alone? I'm taking a guess it's really simple to create your own TC(mod) folder then just edit it a little bit. How tricky do you find the stand alone if you've tried looking into that? Was there a lot more work than you expected or just a few extra textures, sounds, models, and one map to what you already had?

Do you have any modding sites I could check out? Do you also know of any stand alone modding sites that could be of interest?

leave arQon alone!

Agreed. Most of new games with "amazing" gfx are 90% shaders. and look fucking horrible. Especially new racing games, some brand new nfs without motion blur, tons of blinking shaders would look far worse than fucking nfs1.

You should make a World of WarCraft mod ;)

prowalk?

Walk? You mean World of JumpCraft, right? Unlike these silly FPS'ers who keep nerfing the crap out of jumping WoW lets you keep doing it over and over without any speed slowdown. It's also like Counter-Strike 1.3 cause you don't make any noise if you do it right. There's just no strafe jumping(curving in the air) and no different speeds in jumping, however.

you clearly havent played challenge promode have you lol?

I've played it, it's quite nice, indeed.

I prefer CS 1.3 physics, that's just me.

WoW doesn't really need those, but it could be interesting to play it like that. If anything add strafe jumping first though.

of counter-strike i liked 1.5 the most. as for world of warcraft. on this site its kinda a running joke calling it world of walking but ya i didnt understand what your arguement about strafejumping and such was when i play cpma where theres about as much movement control as you can get :P

CS 1.4 nerfed jumping and quickswitch to shoot after changing weapons, YUCK.

WoW could use strafe jumping. Jump, turn your mouse, and use strafe to "curve" in the air. I call PainKiller's jumping "Curve Jumping", that might be interesting in WoW too.

You're an alt of monkey_business, right?

if it has vq3 movement and qw rockets then it will be good

that's the funniest shit I've read in a long time, seriously! :D

That game would make CS look active.

Would be great if you don't keep on ruining huge respect community (and me) got for you for making such an amazing game CPMA/CPM is with your stubborness and ignorance when it comes to any changes in CPMA/VQ3.

So? Posted on first Month of 2008. Any progress arQon? What ever the outcome is? :D

THOU SHALL PLAY TF

ETF it has ...

Fiend?

i'm not u'r friend buddy

on #cpma.na, one of the topics was that some servers had been reserved and locked for PMX testing...

well i dont care as long as you dont leave cpma development solely in the hands of svr and ix

och dam right ?

Take look at this: http://www.promode.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4171

and pay close attention to: arQon: None of the FT things are going to happen.

If ix and svr has any influence to Cpma the ansfer will be:
Hmmm oc that we will do this. It will not bring ANNY harm to other modes + all players from 1.16n/noghost shit mod can play iFT on 1.32 PB Cpma and get rid of all those stupid cheaters.

i'd like to hope so

what the fuck did you just say? i hope a cat got on your keyboard or something, cause that made no sense to me :[

new nohost build is released and it's doing quite well in terms of anticheat issues so far

Buhahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhaah x milion times

right
a typical poletard nonetheless