yaay!

FURST

only 12 minutes late, grats

only 441 minutes late, grats

lul egd

ohohohoh :))))

nobles comeback

yeah for cpma`s...

[whine] i want my thin shaft back [/whine]

don't worry
just the time people get used to the new-old lg beam and they'll force again thin shaft

Well, at first I was thinking the same thing, but then I realized that this new shaft was probably implemented due to it's being a more accurate representation of the sort of damage being dealt now that we're all xerped out.
Before xerp-LG; standard garden hose
After xerp-LG; ZOMGGHOSTBUSTERS

Attached Image: 64245-ghostbusterspx1.png (202KB)

my god, it's true, q3 is ghostbusters, the lightning gun, the green keel/slimer, it all makes sense.

holy crap, we need a warning lable about not crossing lg beams FAST

hahaha, totally forgot about that 'bug' :D

n1 mate ;)

:o

chg: removed uriel's wings - they're annoyingly defective

nooooooooooooooooo!

I´m glad the shaft sound is normal and doesnt tear ears like in the betas ;)

Nice and everything, but for god sake, why did you remove the 1.45 LG Beam from this release? I mean, I know that there was a lot of whine and many people didn't like it at first, but they got used to it with time. Others actually liked it right from the start (me) and would use it either way. Now I have to get use to the new-old ones beams, AGAIN.

Why haven't you add that ultra-thin altLightinng (which the vast majority of people used for months now)?

Other than that, COOL RELEASE \o>

Ask the Polish community to bring out a pk3 to add it back in.

ye they'll do that for sure :x but would it be really hard for them to add just another cl_altLightning to the list (4th), particular the one which people (had to) used for months? No, it wouldn't.

Yeah, after all, it's only adding a number, right? All they have to do is put a 4 in, it's SO FUCKING EASY.

you know what I mean d]-_-[b

IIRC they use an entirely different system to render. The new shaft wasn't added because we thought "OMG COOL" it was added because the code driving the old shaft drawing was pants.

oh my fucking god why did i know this was going to be posted by SOMEONE

great release as always

cg_fov 250 ??

uhh http://bytemunch.net/pushpabon/whine.jpg < how is that LG A MAD GAME BREAKING DIFFERENCE?

cg_altlightning 1 @ 1.45 = cg_altlightning 3 @ 1.46

wow, i like your crosshair. Is that a default crosshair in cpma now or is it some custom crosshair?

Can someone tell me where I can get a decent config for this game please? I haven't played q3 since osp

You can make custom crosshairs using superhud elements
http://www.promode.org/wiki/index.php/Custom_HUDs

There are a couple of sample HUDs at the bottom (though some, like mine, are massivly outdated) to get you started.

I don't think it's a custom crosshair though. 1.4 added a bunch of outlined crosshairs on cg_drawCrosshair 11-19

well lookzz .... that 0.01 difference changes armourz look !!!! (o=

ROTFL. Lies.

cl_altLightning 1 @ 1.45 =/= 3 @ 1.46. If you don't see the difference, you're simply blind.


-altLightning 1 @ 1.45 (thin)

-altLightning 3 @ 1.46 (much thicker)

MUCH lmao. besides you can trick it smaller if you know how.

I dont, how?

thinshaft zoom script and/or cg_gunoffset

If you can't adapt to that extremely minor change you are retarded. Well, you are actually retarded regardless.

:'-(

Don't flame.

schh, he's trying to assert himself as an elitist promode asshole.

done long ago

By NotDone rapidshit | - Reply to #97
schh, he's trying to assert himself as an elitist promode asshole.

I lol'd. =)

yeah I mean it's no different to people with crosshairs and crosshair colours at all

or drawgun :(

Well it's a fact that more often than not, options don't give less whine, it gives more. 4 lg options are 3 too many in that regard.

But the best example I can think of on the top of my head is how lots of people whined that the color of StatusBar_HealthCount and StatusBar_ArmorCount couldn't be altered, when previously (before superhud) you couldn't change their other attributes at all.

Offer a finger and they'll take an arm.

...which was also why the crosshairs that got added in cpma are just high-quality versions... If a new crosshair design got added I can garuantee that lots of people will say things similar to this: "i want crosshair 2, but in pink with yellow dotted outlines.. c'mon! it's just one more crosshair, add it already you lazy cunts!"

o rly

Today I saw Doom 1 on an Samsung mp3 player. It looked WAY Better than your Quake3 which is the 5th generation after doom1.

Cause thin shaft looks ridiculous in movies. !)

Still no fastrail ? Clan Arena is lost forever ...

CA is better off without it.

May God have mercy on us all.

CA is fine with gameplay cpm, but ye some servers use gameplay pmc or whatever and that just sucks.

there are still servers using 1.43 and now there's another one...
it's slowly getting complicated.

1.46 replaces 1.45, there is no increase in complexity. If server admins choose not to update that is their choice.

excepted for that beta 1.46 pak with the same file name I guess

kewl.

:'( they cut Uriel's wings...cruel bastards

sound fixed \o/

edit: still sux, works well only on listen :P

love this release

*seta server_mode cq3

:P

still no 125 fps movement??

never coming mate

still trolling a subject that's been dead for five years

fuck you

some things just take time, just like your down-counting timer in q4 (:

dead? hardly.

Still playing vq3?

Like most players.

most ez nubs

still have no clue about vq3?

xerpxerpxerp

fix: loud LG impact sounds with correctly-functioning Q3 clients

weird hack or? :)

the sound is annoying as hell, why was it added("fixed")?

it was a consequence of the fixed sound buffer issues, which dropped some sounds in team games in particular(cos of the players vs sounds) afaik

which is why I thought that the cpma fix must be a weird hack or something

The fix just did what it was told which was to play the impact sound every time LG hit a surface so 15 or 20 times a second, which understandably sounded horrid. That was fixed by making it play at a reduced rate and volume.

oh okay, no ugly hack then :)

love how it's considered a fix

isn't it a change if it wasn't a bug in the first place?

a bug gets fixed, gives an unpleasant side effect which gets nerfed

doesn't sound like anything else at all!!

ch_recordmessage 1 is broken in cq3 ;/

It works for me on a listen server with a bot (both /record and /cg_autoaction). I also use cnq3 1.42.

cg_autoaction 31 - no message
cg_autoaction 4 - no message
autorecord - no message
record demo_name - proper message

checked on cnq3 141 - no problems

was hoping for some cq3 changes, but good job nevertheless!

i decided to use thin shaft rather than the default cg_altlightning 0. get a problem though: i get that weird zoomin motion everytime i switch to lg. is there a way to avoid this?
this is the script:
seta cg_zoomfov 110
seta thinon "cg_fov 360; +zoom;cg_drawgun 1"
seta thinoff "-zoom; cg_fov 110; cg_drawgun 0"
bind 1 "vstr thinoff; weapon 1"
bind 2 "vstr thinoff; weapon 2"
bind 3 "vstr thinoff; weapon 3"
bind t "vstr thinoff; weapon 4"
bind 4 "vstr thinoff; weapon 5"
bind 5 "vstr thinon; weapon 6"
bind r "vstr thinoff; weapon 7"
bind f "vstr thinoff; weapon 8"

also, i'd like to use a zoom toggle, but wasn't able to make it work with with thinshaftscript.

helpful suggestions would be appreciated :|

how about you +zoom all the time on all weapons, then you dont have that zoomin/out motion. and use zoomfov as your normal fov

erm.. what would it look like in config? sry tried hard, but couldn't do it..

remove the -zoom

yeah make +zoom all time on all weapons (sens gonna change)
and make vstr for +zoom

why is that better than cg_altlightning 2-3?

well, i use cg_altlightning 3 now. it looks different, but screw it, nvm. railgun looks awkward with +zoom..

thanks guys anyway

http://www.anloo.se/reptile/rep_q3weaponbinds.txt

this is mine, it's a bit more advanced and it's not toggle zoom.. it's "hold to zoom" just like the default zoom function but without the zoom effect :)

also, it..

* lets you use thinshaft settings
* gives you the desired fov and "instant zoom" on any weapon
* doesn't fuck up if you change weapon while holding the zoom

just configure the weapon binds as you'd like them.. i let all my current settings stay just because.. :P

I miss the 1.45 altlightning :/

Also, cnq3 is still not working as a server for me.

use it then

1.46's al3 is not the same as 1.45's al1.

It's pretty similar and good enough for me, but it's not the same, I just liked the other one.

dont mind him and the other tards, everyone that was so busy bashing the lg change last time is very busy this time to tell everyone that liked the thin lg they are retards for wanting that one back.... Some people are like that. Unfortunately we will just have to adapt and regret that arQon was persuaded to reinstating the old one :-(

the cnq3 linux executable doesnt work for me (fresh ubuntu 8.04 install) :(
cant open the console and cant get into fullscreen

drivers?

the latest proprietary nvidia driver

works here. :E

worse fucken update yet

sigh

<3

just port CPMA to QW already.
you're 3 years behind in terms of usability/features compared to EZQuake
and these CNQ3 updates are laughable.

You mean there's 3 years' worth of gimmicks in EZquake that can't be found yet in CNQ3?

sif you play any

when you have a lot of stuff covered, they had the time to add gimmicks too :P

thanks - always nice to start the day off with a lol. :)

yeah wtf, i want my smoke puffs to be blood and that they smear the walls with blood as it flies.. what gives? oh, also, i wanna be able to turn the plasma projectiles invisible.. that'd be so awesome

Why not?

r_shaftalpha is the shit

let's see:
- independent client physics
- in-built HUD editor powered by drag & drop
- demos browser with playlist support, advanced realtime demo statistics, radar and team hold bar, MVD autotrack
- better OS integration and support for web based QuakeTV
- multiple player profiles support and in-game cfg editor and manager
- pk3, md3 models support
etc. etc. etc. (http://ezquake.sourceforge.net/docs/?features)

anyway.. thanks for adding ALT-TAB

"by players for the players"
what a joke when you can't manage pleasing the crowd with a damned LG beam.

EZQuake devs are really friendly people and take a lot of input from QW players (be it random or pro), but i guess the QW community isn't so retarded either.

i changed my mind.. keep away from QW, all of you :P

PS: btw i was just trolling.. just wanted to point out some people aren't bitter after developing stuff for years and can work out with their communities to improve things

yeh only thing qw needs is balanced gameplay and maps suitable for competition games, maybe you will then have a great game :)

balanced gameplay sucks and good custom maps are a plenty (aerowalk, vdm3, skull etc.)

if QW community is to be blamed for something.. that is, yes, being conservative about 1v1 maps.

if i'm to return some feedback :P
1. you guys need more quality sites and networks.. some of your cup sites are stuck in web 1.0 at most. take example:
http://qwdrama.com/
http://nqr.nu/nqr11/
http://quakeworld.nu/

2. you need LANs too. people travel across Europe (and even from USA, hi phil) to Sweden each year for QHLAN and Dreamhack.

-> then you'll have yourself a community ^_^

They great thing about "balance" is that it holds absolutly no meaning and can thus be used in whatever way one sees fit, without being right or wrong.

i dont get why you as well try to go here and troll, sure you like your game, i didn't and i did give it a good shot, but it just have inferior gameplay compared to cpm, sorry, but qw really did NOT stand the test of time, and while ezquake/nquake fuhquake etc have plenty of neat stuff, well, its just not enough for me. And honestly if you like your community and your game why would you go and try to ruin that by your behaviour here? Its like Priests that loves their church, yet fucking their own choir boys.

The QW community truly is great compared to the CPM one, thats the one place where QW really owns and crushes CPM, but its also the only place imo.

I remember we had our qw rookie career at the same time, I guess we ended up the same way :D

-more than 2 non-shit weapons CHECK
-more than 3 duel maps CHECK

I love vdm3

- independent client physics
- QuakeTV stuff
- FUCKING HOT rocket trails!
everything else is irrelevant for me

Port what to where now?
KTX is just fine tbh!

EZQuake has a bunch of people working on it, so it might take a long time till cnq3 reaches the same level :)

sure the qw mods have more features (mostly novelty stuff)

but the Q3 engine feels better to me

and i think cpm gameplay is far better than baseqw

Just port CPMA to Doom 2 already.
You're 7 years behind in terms of usability/features compared to Zdaemon.

nice troll, maybe if you switch the two around you'll be correct ;)

Stop ruining quake3 already.

the 125 fps cap appears to have been removed but don't tell anyone

xerp still present, get lost.

Totally agree, how dare they include something that makes you hit where you aim. Totally ridiculous, those fucking idiots don't know the first thing about making good games.

ye, 50 % lg both on inet and LAN, that is aim, clearly !
Sorry, but this is not q3.

Since I won't repeat myself over and over and over again, i'll just link to what I already wrote.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1541663#pid1541663

Where the fuck are people seeing these kind of accuracies? I haven't seen a game near 50%. Christ...

Since the whiners claim anyone can hit 50% lg due to xerp I've been asking for demos where 50% lg newbs beat better players.

Haven't seen a single demo yet...

ahahah

you so obstinate dolt. 50 % lg both on inet and LAN is not about xerp. it's about vq3. play cq3 and be happy =))

do you actually have a demo of yourself shooting 50% lg?

Since when did this not require skill and you yourself could do it so easily and hence we should all play cnq3?

a jpg of breeze quality [+]

do you have eyes? xerp doesn't actually hit where you aim, it just hits.

but fwiw my %s are prollly similar online as they would be on lan now, but i'm still not sure about it.

That is retarded on so many levels its untrue...

LMAO@CNQ3

http://ezquake.sourceforge.net/

LMAO@QW NETCODE

touché here.

that's why i menacingly suggested CPMA should move to QW, so we could use teh netcodez!!11 $$$

pfft wtf are you talking about.

have you ever tried cpma?

i loved my short time with qw i loved the community why do some people like you insist on ruining that image? Why would you go to a newspost about a game you prolly dont play and obviously dont like just to troll it?
Some people here are doing a great job, voluntarily, and if you dont like it just ignore it and pass along please.

The improvements to CNQ3 are only just beginning, it has been kept fairly close to Quake 3 so far. When we move to requiring CNQ3 with the next generation of Promode then we will do more. It's not a competition though, the QW guys have done a great job and I wouldn't be surprised if we copy some of the ideas such as the overhead map view.

will arQon be replaced by Patrick Steward for "the next generation" ?

so who's gonna be Counselor Troy

Kate Beckinsale, if I had anything to say about it. :P

Wait, you think she could handle the acting challenge? Let me try to imagine it...

Kate: "I feel....pain"

Yup, I think she would be perfect. :)

Looks like I need to use more lube ;DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I feel so unpopular =(

can't try this now, GTA IV is available tomorrow.

/me whines to have super thin lg back :'(

osx client? :(

I dont get it with the lg..

First they force us to forget about the old version and force a new thinshaft. I liked it from the beginning but didnt understand why people wouldnt get the option to choose.. Now its the SAME thing again - what is this? Now my superthinshaft is gone and they didnt leave me the option to choose it - they remove it.

ARGH

ppl got a beef with the "new" choices not being the EXACT same lightning effect as in 1.45

Thorman, 1.45 thinshaft uses a different rendering technique, so you can either have the old ones or the 1.45 thinshaft. Due to the immense amount of whine, CPMA has reverted to the old-style animations.

obviously the reason the 1.45 shaft isn't in this version is because it is rendered differently and it was probably quite a lot of work to have both. if you think he removed it for no reason then you are stupid. even if it sometimes seems it, arqon doesn't actively TRY to make people unappreciative cunts.

Actually SAYING he couldnt have both at the same time wouldnt have hurt at all...
In changelog or even a comment when the subject came up.

Great job ix, arq, and the cnq3 crew. Thanks for the release.

Ugh, god. Why do you have to keep screwing with the altlightning? Oh well, guess I'll just have to get used to one I used to use again.

We had changed to a new render method, the whine was massive so it has been returned to the old method.

Well as long as you're keeping these I'm cool. It's just annoying to have to switch it up when you guys switch rendering methods. It's not a big deal or anything really, just kinda annoying is all.

What were the advantages of the new method?

is it normal i can't join any osp server anymore also with pb off?

What are you trying to do, run cnq3 with OSP? cnq3 defaults to CPMA (fs_game cpma) so if you have CPMA installed and try to use cnq3 with OSP you may be having a problem.

Try making a shortcut if you want to run cnq3 with something else such as:

c:\quake3\cnq3 +set fs_game osp

ye, i'm trying to join an osp pb off server with cnq3 but i always get this error after map load and get kicked:

********************
ERROR: Bad cgame system trap: 71
********************

If i remember well i could join osp pb off servers with older cnq3 releases

Well it is possible that CNQ3 is now incompatible with OSP, CNQ3 is intended for use with CPMA. Did you try what I suggested?

yes i did, same thing.
nevermind if doesn't work with osp :P

it's not compatible with other mods since 1.40+
as wrote qrealka you need open sv_game.cpp, find SV_GameSystemCalls function and add
case DO_NOT_WANT_G_SNAPVECTOR:
Sys_SnapVector( VMA(1) );
return 0;
right after
switch( args[0] ) {
and recompile

o_O

What about a very thin shaft as " altlightning 3 " in 1.47 ?

Its like the fastrail, why can't we choose by ourself ? why no /fastrail 0 or /fastrail 1 ?

m8, this has been mentioned about a million times already, the 1.45 thinshaft was the result of a different rendering technique which has been removed from this release (1.46) due to the amount of whine. Having both was not an option.

oh noes uriels wings are goooooooone :((((

offline bots playing slow again, fps down when using machine and lightning, i think needs new bot code.

Nice joob, great release, thanks a lot to all CPMA team :)
CNQ3 <3

WHERE IS YOUR SHAFT NOW??

OH SHI-

wat fugly game is this shit from?

do i sense envy or what B>

defo B>

Why is it that you can't play on 1.46 servers with cpma 1.45?
I have to keep telling my friends to update every time or keep finding other servers:(

you can have both paks installed same time you know.

Any chance of a mid-air mode?

no

already there aint it?

lolz

wheres the version which allows 166 fps?

Hi,
is it possible to lower rail damage to 80, lg damage to 6, and mg damage to 5 (in ctf)? Hitscan weapons are just too strong. I know it "wouldn't be vq3 anymore", but come on what vq3 is nowadays has nothing to do anymore with real base vq3, anyway. I also know that there is cq3.
The problem is for a random player like me:
- Stubborn community not doing anything to switch to cq3 (mainly league admins; even hard to get a new map in, because "other leagues also not changing")
- Stubborn developers who changed movement and netcode and such, but not willing to adjust weapon damage to get the balance back
I know there are discussions over and over again partly even for years, everyone is feeling right and pointing at someone else to do something, but there are a lot of players out there not interested in who is right and who is wrong, not interested in big egos, just hoping to get a better balanced game.
Talking to other players, I noticed pretty much everyone thinks hitscan weapons are too powerful (especially with pretty fast internet connections these day compared to years ago). What is holding us back to change that (see the idea with rg=80/lg=6/mg=5 above)? Too me it looks like the only thing is stubbornness. Therefore someone needs to actually do something for the community (and not only talking about that others need to do that: devs <> admins). Come on, there is nothing to lose and everything to win ...

Rail 80, LG 7 (it's 8 at present) and MG 4 would be nice settings but we're not going to change VQ3 settings. People will have to promote CQ3 play if that's what they want.

cq3 is still not ready to be taken a standard gameplay type.
promode hitsound, little plasma bolts, and so on will make cry lot of vq3 players

Reply to #182

Yea, and league admins say vq3 is the standard, and therefore they will not change. Such major changes can only made by either id software or a mod. You know, what you say is exactly the answer we hear all the time from devs, admins etc. While you might feel right and cool and such, because you're winning the discussion by super correct arguments about what vq3 is, there are a lot of casual gamers out there who don't give a rats ass why this (which is obvious that hitscan weapons are too strong) "can't be changed". You guys just should stop running around and tell you're doing something "for the players". Else you would balance vq3 right away (while you had no problem to make hitscan even stronger in the first place by better netcode). You can win the argument, but by that you're not doing good for the community.
Nice, that you have proven my point. Stubborness all the way. All your super intelligent discussions here, but there are many random players out there not caring for that, just waiting for those changes. :/

Should notice that id software won't change anything anymore. Mod teams are the only power to do that. Big thanks for the help ... not ...

Complain to league admins and community members if you want CQ3 or a modified VQ3 to be standard, not me. Personally I'd like to do what you suggest but the whine would be so epic I don't think it's worth putting up with.

Part of me wishes you guys would just drop VQ3 support, but then I know that the idiots would just all go back to OSP (Good for you guys I guess) and I'd be left with nothing to play... :<

M8 you need to understand that VQ3 is supposed to be as close to the original Quake 3 as it can. Of course this isn't entirely possible but at the same time it means that it has a whole set of rules that can't be changed simply because it would cease to be VQ3.

What you need to do is get the admins to use CQ3.

Is there anywhere we can give direct feedback/suggestions about CQ3?

I hate to be harsh with all this, but fuck you guys who want hitscan lowered.

What about the people who have GOOD hitscan? I have pretty decent hitscan, so naturally, I want the rail to remain at 100.

The ONLY people who want hitscan lowered are the people who suck with hitscan weapons.

So, either get better with LG+RG, or shut up and stop complaining about it. It's YOUR fault for not having better aim then someone else.

I want hit-scan lowered because it makes the game boring.

For the record my MG/LG/RG are "pretty decent" too.

Ad hominem. There are many good hitscan users who'd like to see them not as overpowered as they are now.

I see a lot of people complain that the LG is overpowered, and, after playing a bit more, I do agree.

I'm in favor of it being lowered a bit, but I'm 100% against the rail being lowered. I think the rail is fine at 100 (Except for TDM) and that it should remain at 100, especially in duel.

first time I see someone saying "lower the LG, but not the rail". :-)

why doesnt cnq3.exe work with other mods like ra3 or defrag? OR DOES IT NOW? HELLO