Why so conservative? Why not mix up the map pool every now and then.

There are no alternatives.

t4

This one will be gr8. Cooller and rapha will play i guess!

stream?

25. DaHanG
26. EG_griffin
39. k1llsen
45. chance
50. rekkth
52. srs.rzr.Cypher
60. sk-rapha
all this thanks to agp ranking points!

everybody in ger
cant wait!!!!

Are you sure that Cypher is in Germany?

Cypher isn't.
He had ping 90 vs Dahang.

Sweet. I was just about to check if the US players were gonna sign up for this.
Nice lineup! :)

cum will be sprayed.

everywhere.

By everyone

Stream?

any stream avaible?

88. Av3kkk
cumus infinitus
streamdick streamdick streamdick streamdick

hope he gets kicked out by some us player in the bo1 stage

why?

cause i dont like the arrogant young polish drama queen
(i dont really know him but its fun to have a player to hate on besides some others to cheer for)

do avek realize that when he spawns bad an rage quit no one would give him any rematch?

I'm gonna make him ragequit.

Probably he never encountered such an skillless noob before. This will make him rage forever and quit ql:/

u wont need to

if u re lucky enough he will quit after a first spawn

a ogladales dreamhacka?

this

no av3k no fun ;d

EG_griffin checked-in

does his mom know about this?

Does his mom know he's in Europe?!

chance in europe is like 69 hours the movie!

this gdata 10x> silent gamers

"this gdata > 10xsilent gamers" would be more suitable for the point you were trying to make ;) I agree though.

jo i'm checked in i want some recognition!

Stream?

stream will be on http://www.own3d.tv/derquaker
p.s. also: http://www.levelupyourgame.net/

OU FUCK , I GUESS NO 2nd PLACE TODAY :D

:D

indeed...but your chance to show them ^^

c'mon...
if you win this I'm so gonna plus you :P

at least you made it past 2nd round..quite a feat

round 3!

yes 3 does come right after 2

Yeah nice lineup.. That's my Saturday afternoon sorted

:))

best gdata ever ^^

hoho, killmaster playing again!!!
btw, are all americans at one location in Germany? if so, where? Cologne already?

cooller & rapha are in cologne, staying at carmacs place. the EG guys and i think av3k as well are in berlin, preparing for IEM

avek no

long time since i've seen the name appleseed :o

And the lineup looks super lovely, to bad strenx isnt in it to see if he can take them all like in zotec.

strenx is staying at stermys place in italy for bootcamping atm.

Yea I noticed last night already that they have been playing stupidly many matches together, so kinda thought it was something like that ^^
Hope they dont inbreed their playstyles to much with no player variation!
They could still have signed up though seeing that there is a lot of nice players. But I guess they want to take IEM by storm with their secret tactics.

2bad he lost in 1st round :D

heh, yea coming out of retirement after so long time he would not stand a chance! but always good seeing some old names again here and there.

Yes, after a rage quit

;-)

in-game sound volume is real low on lvl^compared to comments sound volume :/

Why didnt show av3k vs Guard?

did avek quit? or was he satisfied with the spawns?

Satisfied so far.

There is k1llsen 2 - 0 rapha in the brackets

cyphers playing with ping 100 lol this kid is a real fighter

lol, streamerz cannot connect to servers, cause servers are full...

Who needs GTV, really?

So far the brackets pretty much show that the claims that top tier american players are only equal to middle tier europeans is pretty much false.

none of the results so far prove anything like that

but i think that rapha and dahang will be in great shape after the bootcamps anyway

perhaps not 100% proof because its online and ping is a factor, but people were making this debate sound like it was a no contest superiority in the comments for that silent gamers cup demos

+

rapha plays so damn smart, just a joy to watch

This. Rapha has the tightest, most relentless game I've almost ever seen in Quake.. he simply does not tilt, his decision making is just impeccable to the point of genius. In order to beat him you have to do something unbelievably outrageous (aimwise) or catch him off guard by sheer luck a bunch of times, which happens, but not 3 games in a row it seems. The other way of course is to beat him at his own game, and someone like Cooller could do this, but I don't think his game is as solid overall.

He reminds me, hilariously, of how another Rapha, Nadal, plays tennis. Relentless, calculating defense, pushing on the opponents weakness in position until they break down and give up a frag/point. Fortunately for Rapha the Quake player his knees and body aren't going to break down from covering the map with such potent intensity.

After this tourney and seeing how his game just thrives on high speed overaggression, which rattles Cooller but seemingly empowers Rapha, he's my pick to win IEM. I think the biggest threats to him are the similar but more audacious Cooller (if he can find a way to beat the Av3ks/Cyphers of the world) or the Roger Federer of the Americans, Dahang. Dahang is another relentless player with very few leaks strategically, but he seems to over rely on his aim sometimes to bring him back into the game, when sometimes he could benefit from sitting back and waiting for an obvious mistake.

Good stuff sir.

I have to agree. The comparison with Nadal is quite good, but unfortunately Nadal isn't the most entertaining player to watch either.
Then again you don't have to make a show of winning. In the end it's all about winning. Yesterday rapha was impressive.

If av3k can control his whiney head he can beat rapha. Cypher sometimes lacks a bit of creativity out of control so I'm curious how he's gonna grab rapha.

Anyways IEM world will be epic again. People thought the euros took a lead on the US players, but i'm not that sure anymore :D

esl should have stream this

own3ed stream quali right now is as good as esl premium for me xD

1000 claps for d1ablo

Yeh the start was rough today. Couldn't watch, but atm it's perfect.

americans playin a final in eu???

stupid moves from av3k on each map

Childish, annoying and pretty gay smiley spam by Rapha.

Oh well, he's a true believer after all...

like cooller NEVER does that?

Not saying Cooller is any smarter...
Don't get me wrong, a bit of trashtalk is part of any high level competition.
Rapha just overuses his fucking bind and pretty much ends up looking like a 12 year old in the process.

( feels good to be back in hate mode )

Your hate mode looks a lot like retard mode.

Like Cooller is someone to look upon.... Oh wait, who are those people with Cooller written in their forehead doing running towards me with a knife in their hands?

stop doing drugs.

rofl

teamchatsonly 1 works well vs such idiots :p

Crying about smiley/bind spam is fucking retarded when you have options to disable it.

And how exactly am i supposed to hack the stream host and change his config ?

Are you also hanging by Rapha's nuts ?

Or jesus perhaps ?

Does it honestly bother you to see it while WATCHING quake? Playing I could understand, but watching? Give me a fucking break.

Yeah it does reach to me, because I can clearly imagine his fucking grin...

It's one thing to be confident, and it's actually necessary to be so if you wanna stay on top.

I dunno, maybe i just dont dig the guy.;

Ever since i saw this interview where he had that show off grin and chewing gum, he comes out as a little punk to me :)

The smileys in game every 6 sec is blah.

I agree that it is annoying and that he doesn't need it.

Pummeling corpses all the time is more annoying though

Haha I noticed a few of them make sure to gib the corpse after a kill.
( using rockets or plasma )

Unless this has any secret impact on next spawn, this to me sounds like a huge waste of 1 ammo to prove a point that is already proven.

go away, noob

gets rid of distracting body i guess?

Yeah makes sense.

I wonder how many fights have been lost due to 1 rocket launcher ammo missing at a key moment :)

i think its just showing your opponent that you're cocky enough to do that, kind of a mindgame thing, since the opponent is still watching.

Heh, I'll just say that his confidence is his strength, and undeniably justified given the result of this tourney.

what can I say?

Jesus christ, best quake in like 5 years.

yeah 0-0 after 10 minutes are so fucking entertaining

Obvious troll is obvious.

im not trolling im stating facts

ztn was shit quake

cuz moar fragz makez it entertaintz xDDDDDD ???

it was actually one of the better maps from the cup

no and no

you're the kind of guy who'd prefer rambo 3 over shawshank redemption, aren't you?

if that makes you sleep better at night mr 180 iq

try again, but with a point.

rofl

no and no

Or he's the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around.

Rapha king of +back !

King of smart, nuff said.

Yes maybe, but it's boring to watch.

More like, Rapha, king of averaging practically ZERO FUCKING MISTAKES PER GAME.

i'm speechless...

rapha outsmarted cooller there :)

Maybe just say Cooller's risky move to RA 30 sec before the end was just stupid?

well rapha had no rl and pretended to going away which fooled cooller into going in, but yea cooller should not have done that in any case :p

raphas mom was praying so hard god crashed a server

+bakcing master what a shitty win it was

cooller has clearly upset the whole of the esreality scene

ridiculous things have been happening with cooller all the time

rapha... still 5 steps ahead.

raphas 5 steps ahead are actually behind...

Well, cooller was also 5 steps ahead that's why nothing was happening.
They knew too well what they were doing. The end was a bit of a fuck up tho:D

I wonder how many interviews with cooller are gonna pop up. You know... cause he didn't win... again.

gdata cup. serious business.

hope av3k wont play so safe as cooller all the match and wont give a lot of items for free

is "Team America" in Europe or something?
Such low ping :X

yeah they are. they're in germany ahead of the world championships in cebit next week, practicing and stuff

rapha will lose to av3k in groups....maybe cooller @ iem....then he'll play strenx and get pwnd so hard with his bw style by strenx's shaft

only if you ever played any duel ...zzzz

[-]

wayne if i play duel fuckin twat

I've forgotten, what's all that John Wayne shit about?

wayne.....because "wen" ist german......as in "wen interessiert"..."who's interested"

more like "who cares"

same

rapha got outplayed on both dm13... but since he was playing cooller server crash and mass luckering was expectable. and then ztn he lucks out with mega.. lol what a fuckin +back noob, must be hanging out with k1llsen, they trade configs i bet: /bind w +back

well np, if it was this close on lan, cooller obliterates him at lan.

now gogo av3k!

will av3k save europe?

WTF! - Cooller v Rapha!?!?!?!?
Why go for that RA with like 30h and 30 seconds to go whilst in the leed? :o
Another controversial Cooller game. You've gotto give it to Cooller, that was probably should have been his. I mean, that DM13 game - I think Dahang unplugged the connection at the SK office to cause a restart because Cooller had the advantage with the game tied at 1-1 and almost over... ;)
I think of all 3 maps played (well, 2.8 maps) Cooller was in control the majority 60-70% of the time. He also got the most frags, all in all :)
Well played though, Rapha - looking very strong and clever. Was a very entertaining game. :) God knows who's going to win Rapha vs Av3k?! I would actualy say maybe Av3k after beating Dahang quite convincingly.

he went for that ra cos he was pissed of that crash on dm13 and raphas +backing

cooller won this and raphas gonna get raped hard on the lan either by cooller or cypher or avek or even strenx

Heh, Rapha's favourite key is deffo +back :) He loves that shit! :) I bet he can moon walk better than Michael Jackson!

yeah and when he cant +back anymore his god is just crashing a server

in god he trust!

well his god definitely crashed your god

i dont have any gods

everyone prays to the same mother/father god,universal consciousness whatever you call it :)

No.

No.

Jealous?

Rapha Cooller final, you heard it here first.

I don't think there's a losers bracket in this dude. The final's Av3k - Rapha... want some ketchup for those words?

i think he meant it as a prediction for the cebit finals, considering the final sentence of the post he replied to.

Sorry I wasn't clear - IEM finals.

Fair enough :)

tbh it was

Well, making accusations like that, you better be prepared to eat your words.

um if you're going to make excuses for coolller than talk about avek dominating dahang well if you watched the ztn1 game vs avek n dahang, dahang was winning 3-2 full control and didnt make a jump and so here you could say he would have dominated avek if he didnt miss the RA jump. See I can make excuses up too for shit that happens.

I wasn't really making excuses for him. If Cooller was 'so' much better than Rapha he would'a won. It was a very close game and Rapha looked really on form. I was hoping to see a strong Rapha going into the world finals.

"I'M RAPHA, I COINED THE PHRASE '5 STEPS BEHIND'... HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT?"

TRUE THAT. CYPHER I think is the favorite.

bad, cypher is not in germany

he dont need to train with those american shitards to rape em all on the lan

yet another epic fail by the "greatest ever"

ye enother epic unluckyness

im wondering how far will this go

will his pc crash on the world final?

8 year old karma.

and it will happen again @ finals.

alltimes we try to find reasons

lets say the +backing was on raphas side this time

Seriously Lethe what is your problem? You are bashing Cooller in every comment you make. Or are you just trolling?

he can not accept a fact that if it wasnt a server crash cooller would have won it

Won dm13, MAYBE. Anything beyond that is sheer speculation.

why?

considering they actually did play a map right after.

i'm not bashing, i'm rooting for him, and he always finds a way to lose. its devastating.

Will they stop sucking his dick now? Probably not. They can't get enough of it.

plenty of it to go around anyway...

agreed.

if it has passed, shouldn't there be a winner? Stream still running. What gives?

God damn livestream is so quiet I've had to boost the volume so loud I can hear them fuckin' breathing...

Constant pissing around with console and microphones and changing windows...

It's been said before... In the past: GTV. At the present: laggy choppy stream. It's called progression folks.

Jesus, rapha giving the smartest t7 match I have ever seen. Well done.

jesus enlightened him

Awesome quality @ lvlup... o.O

Wish IEM would have equal coverage... The only bad thing is the console he keepsopen for half the match...

Wow. Amazing t7 by rapha...

bwahaha rapha got avek into emo rage after only one map.

raphe

And the whine begins

LOL @ Europe's heroes.

Cypher's not in Germany and Cooller was unlucky.

Just wait :)

did rapha just tell av3k to stop wasting his time?

my word, rapha's a cunt.

Fuck that, fair play to him. Av3k is just wasting time being a douche

i take it back.

i said what i said because honestly the dm6 game was already over. the rest of the play would have just been filler regardless of whether av3k was trying.

however, av3k hasn't even tried for a millisecond of this dm13 game. disgusting behaviour.

someone needs to give av3k a slap and tell him to grow up.

did i miss sth?

his and about 300+ spectators maybe?

Well av3k is wasting his time together with everyone enjoying this cup until the final. Where av3k got owned in the first map. Then rapha starts good on dm6 and av3k goes into emorage mode.

don't get me wrong, i hate av3k as much as the next person.. but like i said in my reply above i think dm6 was already over, and dahang said the same thing on the lvl^ stream.

i wouldn't be surprised if rapha being someone to actually say something to him for once has made him decide to be a stubborn little twat, and fuck about on dm13 for the entire 10 minutes.

He was fucking around on dm6 after a 2-0 frag lead by rapha allready. And at that point rapha didn't say a thing to him.
Once he got an 15-0 lead in 2 minutes he said "play".

Anyone give me the demo for av3k-rapha dm6? close game nice sportsmanship from the euro.

A true collector

at least he didnt quit like he used to

Actually i'm not sure what's worse :D

I recorded rapha's pov (missed a couple seconds at the start, but all chat recorded including post-game). sec..

Attached Demo: 74185-av3k-rapha2.dm_73 (3628KB)

can you please just give me the money now (c) Rapha

wtf was that really
god i hope he doesnt win it,even if dahang takes him out,i would be very pleased :)

To be fair av3k was being a douche and he rightfully deduced that he was going to walk over him because av3k was too busy QQing.

av3k sure was a douche,but i still want to see rapha fail
:P

rapha: can you please give me the money now?

the drama!

at least some one told him that instead of prettening to not see how childish he is ...

thought the same!

indeed, he's acting like quite the bitch now.

SERIOUS GAMING, EH?

av3k just quit and stop wasting everybody's time :-\

this is even worse sportsmanship than just ragequitting

Av3k should be banned from tournaments for bad sportmanship.

Not "banned' but it's deffo not good to be such a bad sportsman like that....
he's never going to get anywhere letting his temper control him like that. Thats why Cooller is Cooller ;)

I wholeheartedly agree, you'd get banned from any pickup channel or fined by any sports club for such behaviour. No need to put up with such a childish behaviour.

How can his sponsors put up with this?

Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU#t=1m27s

lol, rrraaaaaggeeee

ANTICLIMAX

sort of like premature ejaculation

can you please just give me the money now (c) Rapha

geez, why even play or sign up when you can't handle a 40 ping :(

great another faggot time with avek :/

Av3k?! wtf!

Av3k the biggest crybaby ever.

What a wanker

avek is embarassing

i thought he cant be any more after eur final

Euros done ez

tbh cypher didn't play, and cooller gave the win to rapha.

that's your agrument?

I see :/

you didn't see it like that?

I didn't see cooller giving anything to rapha.

cypher didn't play vs dahang? I didn't see the match, but he cartainly made it to the quarter finals.

did I miss anything?

you missed cooller jumping for the ra for no reason whatsoever 30 seconds before the timelimit hit.

also you missed rapha being outplayed twice on dm13, once server crashed with cooller having control, and rapha low health and pretty much nothing 2 minutes till the end. and cooller won t9.

I saw cooller being outsmarted by rapha on ztn. he thought rapha ran away, thus outsmarted!

I saw cooller giving away 3 megas to rapha.
he was 5 steps behind.
cooller tried, but it wasn't enough, there is nothing more to say.

so please stop making excuses, you start looking like a fool.

i can't simplify it enough for you to understand so i'll leave it at that.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1842014

I can simplify it for you. You're a stupid ass mother fucker making excuses. What cooller did is what happens in matches. You dumb fuck.

OMG MY HERO DIDNT MAKE THE RIGHT PLAY SO I WILL JUST SAY HE GAVE IT TO HIM AND OTHER GUY DIDNT WIN IT.


You people will always have some fucking excuse to make holy shit is it in the euro genes or something? Part of games is skill,strategy,luck. Shit happens.

fuck off.

rapha is a nerd.

\o/

my hero didn't even play here you gimp, and you obviously missed 200 of my posts regarding cooller and his fanboys.

+ i don't care who won, it's just an online tourney.

FACT is, cypher didn't play, your precious champion dahang lost to avek, and rapha was outplayed and saved by the servercrash.

no, its NOT impressive.

rapha called out av3k on his fucking crying antics

now he's wasting everyones time. fuck av3k

av3k will get agp points (c) diablo

great now we (pl) got someone else to me ashamed of after andrew golota

its maciej krzykowski

hehe was thinking of the same

Any sponsors interested in having av3k representing you? :)

maybe our president himself would be since they re both equally embarassing

"av3k trying >>>>>>> rapha"

please, he tried on t7 and couldn't get a frag.

yes, that was amazing by rapha. I'm still amazed by his defensive game, always managing to survive.
t7 ain't really one of avek's fav maps of course, but I doubt we'll see such things next week.

True, but for all the shit he gets on here for being "+back" he truly does play incredibly smart (always picking fights in areas where he could easily fall back on armor/health). Furthermore, his defensive style doesn't really rely on rail, which is really what impresses me.

ppl who call rapha a +back player are clueless tbh

yeah, in my opinion the mental aspect the t7 game brought is a reason for av3ks behavior <3

he was so desperately trying and rapha won 10:0 and av3k was serious about it no doubt. actually it was a top 3 past year ownage for me . my empathy told me the same as when i watched draven vs. fox on ztn (esl invite xD) for instance xD

cumback!!!

av3k's a cunt for wasting everyones time, he should be banned from future g data events..

child

woulda really prefered gtv for this..

what is going on?

I liked it

i'm not sure

Poles :P

funny if avek wins iem :)

GOOOOOOOOOO AV3K!!

Haha, was entertaining at least, finally got to see a tiny spec of personality from rapha. Still hate rapha, boring cunt.

Av3k needs to calm down, he could be so great, but damn kid... please beat rapha at IEM.

av3ks actions were dishonorable. Really proud of rapha! go rapha!

Best game ever :)) not about skill but what people were writing on spect :)))) 10/10 :D

Don't really get why Av3k did act like that....I know his ping was higher but why playing to final then? He starts crying every tournament.....Maybe he has reason to or he doesn't want to show smth as Rapha said but I am really disapointed after this final....
And yea he should be banned from G-data for few weeks....

he shows similar lack of attitude on LAN, so the deeper problem isn't ping

avek vs rapha vod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yBhZcUVKOE

third round = dm6

pretty lame of avek.

[srs|rzr|Av3k]: final was moved and im supposued to leave my flat right now i couldnt concentrate but its not like i did it special i tried to play best didnt work out
[srs|rzr|Av3k]: just dont work out if i play not best against good player
[srs|rzr|Av3k]: its easy to get raped
[srs|rzr|Av3k]: i didnt want to leave cause its final
[srs|rzr|Av3k]: its true i played bad ... no timing at all
[srs|rzr|Av3k]: but i was trying to hit and fiht as much as possible

thoughts?

bs?

bullshitin

getting raped by mg in a first few secs of dm13 is such a HARD TRYING

bullshit detected

it was some troll imitating av3k

Thoughts? First half might be true. We're talking about a 100E online cup after all. Which is unlikely to receive the same care and preparation as a major lan tournament would.

Looked like kind of a let down towards our american guests though, who apparently made an effort and tried to shine. Not very friendly towards cup sponsors either.

Apart from that, most of the heat seems to relate to upcoming iem and maybe exaggerated expectations regarding this weekend cup. Guess it wouldn't hurt to cool things down a bit and maybe put them into proper perspective.

...and av3k will rape him @ iem. who cares about internet cups...especially 19 vs 50 pings...

honestly the whole ping argument is so old, he knows he has that ping, and beat other players with the same ping.

But yeah, I don't think rapha will get a map vs av3k at iem.

Uh yeah...that mental mauling he just recieved will have no effect at all I'm sure...

another point for me at the "guessing country from comment" game \o/

Sir, i challenge you:

Av3k is a huge cunt.

I already know your country, and I tell you, you are a freak of nature!

;)

a ~30 ms ping difference is a shit excuse.

It's not invalid, but it doesn't justify poor sportsmanship. It's only a 100 euro cup, guy needs to get a grip.

I wonder what will you all say when av3k win IEM ; )

What has winning something to do with attitude and sportsmanship? :)

I don't get why peoples insult av3k because he don't play his game? Maybe it wasn't sportsmanship behaviour but it is not the reason for insult someone. Av3k goes to the final (not peoples who whine now in comments) and it was his business play or not to play or rather win or not to win. Av3k doesn't ask anyone to watch his game if I know.

No, he agreed to play by entering.

Crap sportmanship is a reflection on your character.

t7 was entertaining

Well, somehow I can understand av3k's point...

He knows everyone hates him - so why not waste their time and laugh at them? Nothing changes anyway...
Besides, it's just a Gdata cup, what matters to everyone is IEM...

i love him for his lack of self-control.. wasting years and years of effort and when he's where he always wanted to be, say to everyone: "i'm bored, i dont like my situation, i wanna .. do something real.."...much more funny than another random guy in the top5

he is shitting on us and owning a community that wasted their damn saturday evening...

he doesnt care..and this fact is brilliant as usual

gg nerds

lol, so raging has now become a respectable trait.
ha ha.

in this case,yea.. for me at least

80% of the people pretend to be cool and funny and smart and nice and not-gay

98% of the internetpeople (except trolls) pretend to be this only to judge about unnecessary things or and people

its always this "i'm normal, but special"-attitude

i completely disagree.

The only time when raging can be acceptable is when a person is in control, and needs to let others know that they are doing a shitty job.
If someone does a shitty job himself and then starts raging he makes himself look bad, and if it happens at work might have to start looking for a new employment.
In this case, I think it's safe to assume that there are sponsors who pay money for Avek's travel or equipment. I don't think they are too happy about avek's representation.

Sure, it's "cool" to be the rebel and don't care about all the people with the money. But ...

i agree with this sponsor part.

i agree that is was an obv reaction cause he was losin and it was even worse to act like a coward. age is the key

for me eeing the 2nd in this tournament shows, that he is used to be in control a lot more than the other way around.

he just seems to be unconvincible in losing at all, but i do understand him well ... and maybe iam that myself,also iam half polish, maybe this is it, heh

cant argue aout this anymore, cause my lack of english and the missin words, i dont care, blödmann :P

also there is a large gap between our meaning of life,so...

At the same time you have to acknowledge that these online cups are pretty much a clownery especially when a bunch of top players are competing against each other. Because the skill difference is so paper thin that, even at a lan, a fly landing on your nose can decide a grand final.

And much more can - and does - a 30 ping difference or some other technicality on the way to the server give the decisive advantage. I mean, as much as we like to talk about "esports", while lan tournaments may, and just may, rightfully be called so, online cups certainly can't. They are a leisure time get together at best.

And avek says it just right. Once you have that disadvantage it's easy to get raped. I for one totally understand that. And how could we expect perfect sportsmanship where the conditions aren't entirely fair in the first place? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Why can't someone be a good sportsman even if the circumstances are bad?
If anything, that is exactly the situation to be a good sportsman.

Man, you see frustrated players in all kinds of sports once they're becoming aware of all their efforts being in vain simply because circumstances are working against them. We are not talking about saints here.

He's an emotional dude alright and doesn't make a secret out of his anger. But as much as we might wonder how we would like him to change, we could also wonder how the game could be changed for the better, or the expectations we could reasonably have.

I don't criticize him for being angry or for being frustrated, but for the way he shows it.

At the same time one could be appreciative of him doing that instead of putting on a polite face with a frozen smile while eating any shit that is fed to him. Which you are likely to see especially in sports where big money is involved.

I see what you mean. At the same time I'm seeing what he's saying though. Now, cooller's reaction to a similar situation would likely be some "let's just say that luck was on his side on that day" statement or something. While avek just freaks out. It's a personal thing, which even may change with the years. I can tolerate that, given the circumstances as already detailed.

eating any shit that is fed to him.

???

he entered this tourney himself.
He didn't seem to complain about anything when he was winning, either.

That's true. And I was just amplifying my point to make it more obvious what I'm talking about.

Of course would he, or anybody, try and likely succeed in maintaining composure as long as he's going to win despite disadvantages. It's when you might be going to lose that you start wondering why that is happening and maybe get angry about one or the other thing. Which explains why he didn't complain before.

I do agree though that he shouldn't be given a free pass when behaving like that. Like given map restarts and similar. Which didn't happen in this case, he lost the game and the prize money. And maybe the sympathy of some folks who didn't get the show they might have expected. Where he still might compensate for that later.

Av3k the best! ESR community = whine.

Yea :) "bad sportmanship", "bitch", "kid" etc. all these comments make my laugh :) Especially when he is making a big shit on you right now :) Avek is Avek, you love or hate him, its simple :)

Sorry, not quite sure i follow you.., are you saying that "making a big shit on the community" is something you support? you think that's something to be applauded?

or do you just support anything he does by default as you're polish..?

the latter i expect.

jesus don't you get it?

avek is taking a shit, that's all

i think

You didnt understand me (maybe cause of my poor english). I am saying that this all calling avek bitch etc, who probably even doesnt care, makes me laugh :) I was expecting a good game like everybody else too, but it will change sth if i call avek "bitch"? I know that he has gone wrong and I dont appreciate it. Quote me where i wrote that i am supporting this behaviour?

ye and cryed and shit over his friend cooller, nice guy

This is why I've never understood Polish fanboys.

Even when their hero is trolling everyone including them, they support them and even look up to it... Fail.

i doubt there is many polish fanboys that look up to someone trolling them, however I like av3k and how he trolls people like you and most the community into raging about how childish he is etc :D

Yeah but it's obvious he wasn't purposefully trolling. He just got owned on T7 whilst he was trying and then get a bad start on dm6 and had a hissy fit

agreed

For example he is not my favourite player, even i am not a fan of his style of playing.

I dont know too why are all so obsessed with av3k

It's frozen! He really loves to crawl up av3k/cooller/cypher ass a lot!

Look i don't know what there is to discuss ,Av3k is a first classs bitch who can't handle it when he is being out played.
We've seen it all before the kid is an asshole pure and simple.
It's a shame because if his attitude matched his ability he would be a widely supported player.

av3k has a history of immaturity. kid needs to grow up. and all this " av3k will rape rapha
on lan at cebit" is bs. We're talking about rapha here not sum1 like bodzo. Rapha has won tourneys and
is proven on lan. when it comes down to it, rapha will rape av3k on lan at cebit. mark my words

if we would grow up, we wouldnt play fucking computer games
if av3k would grow up, he wouldnt play fucking computer games

its more or less an immature choice of entertainment

that's extremely good reasoning there. here, let me [+] you.

wait, nice guy

av3k has a history of immaturity. kid needs to grow up

1. yea
2.no

rest: boring bs due to generalization (--"all this..")

http://ezinearticles.com/?Video-Game-Demographics&id=352934

18-34 average. Let me break out the diapers.

i'm not talking about a physical age

Old people still like all those childish sports like football, eh?

How is any other entertainment more mature than computer games?

maybe you're right

entertainment is an immature choice

it's a "mature" choice when it provide you with a reasonable income.

sometimes i like being immature :p

Great cup ! gg Rapha.

dahang and rapha did so well. Did not expect it at all. Especially after that Silent Gamers tourney they both looked pretty shit.

all ping tho,remember lg at 17ping will rape vs lg at 50
even so i think they are both impressive (rapha&dahang)
and will make iem veeery interestin :)

ya its funny how ping is only ever a problem when you lose with it. Avek didnt bitch much till the final.

Once av3k gets outplayed he goes bezerk.

also 17 vs 45 ping excuse is pretty much irrelevant joke in QL. Just a placebo and an excuse to use when you are getting out-brained.

17-50 is a big dif ,like it or not
the final was irrelevant,on lan it will be at least 3:2 for rapha or even 2:3 for av3k

Just an inbred excuse.

no,but it was a logical objective conclusion

logical reason based on your subjective biases only.

i make an effort to have no subjective biases,do you?
i don think so

Pings really can matter. Not just the difference, but the absolute value too. And while some can feel good at higher pings, others can not.
For example, I thought that ping is just an excuse when there were no russian servers and I played on european ones with pings like 50-90. To me the game felt ok at those pings and really I didn't even understand what the fuss was about when people talked like "ah, he won becase of ping", etc. For me there was little difference, whatever ping I had.
Then russian servers appeared and I got used to play with LAN ping (rus server is actually situated on the same LAN as me). It was feeling slightly better than I felt 50 was but still I didn't thought it was much difference.
Then after playing for a month on rus only servers I once joined a game on a german server with ping of about 45. And OMG it was SO DIFFERENT FEEL I couldn't believe it. Everything was weird: rockets that I thought I surely dodged were still hitting me, rails were hitting me behind corners, enemies suddenly were strafing from my close range rockets with exceptional ease, and stuff like that. And I already felt it on just 45 ping which is considered fairly low, all because I played too much on LAN.
So this is an example that ping really CAN matter for some players. Even if you never experienced how ping can mess up your game, it doesn't mean that it isn't an important factor for others.

ur a newbi?

Yes, so?

Hehe your so annoying :D

alltimes we try to find reasons

Word. I was half expecting them to lose to some random scrubs early on, they both looked so rusty and shitty. It makes their games today all the more impressive, and one can safely look forward to epic games @ the finals. :D

ya same thinking as i had.

so much for carmacs "wonderboy"

avek delivers drama once again :)

dramorama

At least Justyna Kowalczyl did some decent job today.

damn you poles :D

No matter who won that, last meters were really exciting (last kilometers were interesting as well but finish was really thrilling, as well as 15 km pursuit fight for third place) <:

idd, I thought for a sec we would take that gold.

A well deserved win anyways :)

I didnt watch the final. Checked av3k's profile. I am shocked with scores. He won DaHang and now this.:s

you mean got lucky vs dahang (since euros want to think excuse making means something) if dahang doesnt miss one jump it would have been an all American finals in europe!! LOL. Look I can make shit up too.

so much stupid in that post of yours

stupid maybe? the truth it is.

no,its your truth and its stupid :)

+for americans going to euro and doing extremely well and taking Gold. All these av3k fans saying "oh its online it does'nt matter/ping" get a life. When a pro signs up for a tourney and plays in it then the tournament matters or else he would not of signed up for it.

It does matter, but I think americans tend to overestimate cups that are being held on a weekly basis here in 'euro'. I was impressed by rapha (& dahang), but to say they're better than cooller/cypher/avek is a bit early, no? If anything, it's an indicator of how close these 5 are to each other, and it promises to deliver firework in Hannover!

taking gold? it's a fucking weekly one-day cup.

u mad?

no, i don't care and i didn't follow this cup but you are delusional :)

ur kinda mad though

its truth from years of observation.

Cooller: Genius plays, but at the end of the match, expect him to fuck it up by himself or get super 'wtf?' unlucky moments.

Rapha: Genius plays, never quits and goes for the W at any cost.

Av3k: Pussy



That is all.

more av3k plz :D

post all rapha-cooller rapha-av3k demos please

thank you av3k

all these theatrics heightening the drama before IEM...simply brilliant! A true showman.

agreed haha

You gotta admit though that rapha contributed substantially with all his "cmon" stuff. The stage is set, no doubt about it.

rapha uses the cmon bind whenever he finds something very stupid attempted by opponent or he misses an easy opportunity like easy rail etc. He took it off lexer but he uses just like that... its not a taunt.

How heart warming. I trust that, some day, your grand children sure will appreciate your sweet little story.

I have been watching rapha play over thousand practice games over past 3 years, how many have you watched...not everything and every bind spam is as serious or purposeful as you think. get over it.

There's nothing to get over. Unless somebody has something constructive to say in a situation like theirs he better shuts up. His blah was an obvious provocation, no matter how much you want to lie yourself into some wholesome world fairy tale.

rofl

too bad for 1st dm13, serv crashed when cooller had momentum, rapha luckered out. if it wasn't for yet another map repeat (alltimes unlucky i guess), cooller would take the tie 2-0 since rapha had nothing on him on t9.

well, whatever. hope he obliterates rapha and other us guys on lan, like he always did with czm and zero4 :)

as for av3k, who cares. if he made a fool out of someone, he made it out of himself. y'all need to tone down that nerd rage. shit like "he made us waste whole afternoon" is simply untrue, you wasted it yourself. like you'd do anything except hang out on quake, like every saturday. stop blaming av3k for ruining your day when you know you'd do nothing anyway.

What exactly happened?

You came late to ESR Drama and asked to be spoonfed.
You promptly got told to watch the vods and read the thread....

i didn't see the t7 game, but apparently rapha destroyed him. then av3k didn't take dm6 or dm13 seriously and rapha beat him by stupid scores and kept saying 'stop wasting my time, i could be at church or something instead of owning you.'

Dm6 was the first map and av3k stopped to play at middle time

If i was cup sponsor or his sponsor i would be pissed how he represented... or his team manager for that matter.
Compared to his teamm8 Cypher with 80-100 ping and still going for it wich is true professionalism and sportmanship.

Guess Av3k is lucky i m none of the above ^^, thumb down

Havent noticed anything awful from av3k as everyone states here. Its his own business. You didnt pay to watch. I am wondering why so much people are whining about av3k. You are watching the same frags every week and now you are pissed off by the show. Rapha speaking about wasting his 10 minutes and spects about no sportsmanshi is ridiculous staff. Retards...

We didn't pay to watch, but the tournament organizers must have been pissed that it ended with such shitty games when it could have ended much better. I guess they say bad publicity is good publicity, but I can't see any sponsors being happy that a representative of theirs doesn't take them seriously

you "the community" talk the shit talk, and on top of that you rock when you shit the rock

where are the demos?

no demos, most of us got passwords so we were on the servers but did not record or don't wanna upload, better we talk shit abt av3k and call ourselfs a serious community, pointing to shitty streams if someone ask us what happened

pardon ?

7herm - u r retard

and rest - u all just can dream about being avek, and earning good money for playing games instead of that u r wasting ur life saying shit about avek on some nerd page, but no one cares about that, especially avek :*

hahah i shit the money he earns this way and from what i c so far he wont win anything else

and im sure no one here dreams about having such a potato face

ye u shit about him and yet u comment every thing he do hahah nice

omfg ive just said i shit the money he earns this way not that i dont give a shit about him cos i do since im watching the tournaments and hes pl so i rly wish he kick those monkey asses ING A GOOD STYLE not as a whiny kid

if for u a 1k or even 2k eur once a year is alot i wish u gl with your not wasted life

u are very fucking stupid bro :<

how old re u? 15?

haha 1k euro per year? :D each post of urs proves that u know shit :(

You smuggle money in your anus?

his rectum must be a goldmine

im an american slave nigger smuggling coke in my ass u got me

holy shit fucking agree his comments have been fucking annoying some1 ban that fanboy idiot

Let me just give everyone this little anecdote with regard to the +back whine in this thread. A long time ago, in a competitive scene far far away, there were a bunch of Doom players vying for the title of best 1v1 player.. the competition was really intense, and the final chapter of that games scene (in NA) was written by two brothers from Canada. The vast majority of the top players game revolved around ramping up the speed and aggression of their play, 3x wall running around the maps at insane speeds, flick shotgunning each other in an ultra fast paced fly-by battles. Crazy amounts of frags per minute, games that finished in under 20 minutes with the win rule of 'first player to hit 100 frags and check out of the map'.

Two relatively unknown players from Canda, SSlasher and his brother Galieu, showed up to a tournament and turned the conventional wisdom of how the game was supposed to played on it's head. Instead of flying around the map they waited, patiently, for an opportunity to strike. Fly around a corner hoping they will miss you from the sheer speed of your movement? Nope. Full blast double barreled shotgun to the face was your reward for rushing them. They played a patient, calculating game of corner murder, dodging out from behind walls for a split second and taking half your health with one blast, and then waiting for your next move. Their game of limiting your opportunity to strike to a tiny window of time and punishing you for any hint of overextending was baffling, totally against the conventional wisdom, and ridiculously effective. Nobody could touch them, they played such an agonizingly slow game of cat and mouse that everyone hated playing them, but couldn't help but be in sheer awe of their aura of invincibility. People called them lame campers, and accused them of ruining the spirit of the game, which until then had been dominated by reaction times and precise aim in split second rush attacks. but the undeniable fact was they had taken the game of 1v1 Doom2 to it's next logical step way ahead of anyone. They had cut out the speed but retained the aim and taken positioning to the level of art form.

Anyway, Quake, especially Quake 3, is a great game because it teeters constantly on the balance of two different philosophies to dueling. Back when we watched Cypher dominate virtually uncontested with his ultra high speed game of aimbot aggression, giving his opponents zero time to get into a rhythm, and embarrassing their aim with his ridiculous lg and rocket jump attacks that came from seemingly nowhere, we thought 'this is it, nobody who can't match this pace is going to beat these aimbot kids who never give you a moments rest.'

Now someone comes along and takes the game that Jibo was having great success with and even somehow increases it's effectiveness and you want to say +back lame? No. +brain incredible. +Ultimate defense. +holy shit that was masterful.

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i agreewith this , there is a strat to games and weakeneses to each and shit will happens osmehow to u take adgfcantag of the wekaness osmehow n that willd win the gamez

Haha, thanks.. I had to think for a minute (I'm drinking too) but here is how I translated your comment. "I agree with this, there is a strat to games and weaknesses to each and shit will happen somehow to you, take advantage of the weakness somehow and that will win the games."

Yeah, I mean, it just disappoints me that there is this negative perception of really disciplined, controlled defensive strategy. It's not like Rapha is some newbie who runs away from any fight and gets by on sheer lucky +back spam. He moves around the map in this way that allows him to get items while inviting his opponent to attempt an attack that favors his position. This is not a trivial skill, it's not a gimmick, it's a calculated way of manipulating the flow of the game to favor the defensive posture he prefers. It's fucking ruthless in it's effectiveness, and anyone who appreciates the nuances of the game should give credit to Rapha's ability to consistently employ this strategy to gain positive results. After all, what matters in a tourney, how sexy you look moving around the map or the scoreboard at the end of 10 minutes?

I'm just dying to see how this tourney plays out on LAN.

what matters in a tourney, how sexy you look moving around the map or the scoreboard at the end of 10 minutes

That's a fairly naive viewpoint which basically amounts to a "win at any cost" maxim. And the vast majority of professional sports people will call bs on that. Because sports, at least as long as it's supposed to sell, is also meant to deliver a show.

Look for example at some Vladimir Klitschko who basically ruined heavyweight boxing these recent years. He does win alright, which you may call masterful. But his fights are consistently a drag to watch.

Especially because there's a sense that it isn't about the fight any more but only the end result and nothing else. Which is a mind set that can drive all life out of pretty much anything.