Wooo, go warsow.

sounds/looks cool, but i guess it wont change the fact that there is no real active competitive scene :/

I hope it will (0.55 changing the fact there is no real active competitive scene) :P

Actually, competition has been a wee bit more active with some small-scale duel cups lately.

there's a nations cup (tdm+bomb) !

<3 warsow

Looks very nice, never played warsow though.
Probably never will either, it's hard enough for me to learn the new maps in ql, an entirely new game give me the hiccups. ^^

bomb defuse on public servers is very fun

Great stuff, will be grabbing it as soon as it's released.

<3 warsow
Especially bomb! Damn it's fun!

Well, the maps do look much improved. If the models & sounds
are too, then it should go a fair way to improving the feel of Warsow.

in fact warsow is as competitive as quake 2 when your enemy spawns 10 times in a row at the same spawnpoint and you stand in front with the rail.
Sorry, its cool but it will never become competitive because the devs are no competitive gamers and dont have any clue about real balancing.

thats how the spawn system was years ago. it's not like that for a while now.

and rail is much weaker than it was in .21 and before.

I miss old rail with the low projectile on weak ammo :(

i dont :P

i was never in favor up weapons functioning differently between weak/strong ammo. i always thought the ammos should just increase damage and nothing else. seems they have been going more that direction lately, except with LG.

well I just hate rail :P
and stealing eb strong ammo was quite enough to not ragequit everytime xD

sup lolo

old weak rocked :(

no it sucked monkey sex nuggets.

if you say this, it proves my point =)

if you say this, it proves my point =)

nah, it was just bad and random. hitscan weak rail is one of the best improvements to wsw since .1.

I don't think it was random at all, it's not like shot 1 is faster or slower than shot 2, right?. Of course it's an opinion thing if you like it or not but it being "just bad and random" kind of a bad reason imo.

it was random, let me explain :

the fact that it's so hard to hit with old weak eb makes it random. just like long range air rockets. but at least long range air rockets look way cooller (yep cooller :D) than old weak EB prediction shot.
sometimes you have to try to predict so much that when you hit you were basically like "what, was it supposed to hit ? lmao, nice !". ofc it looks cool on video, ofc when you do it, you're quite proud of you and it feels quite good, but let's be honest, the overall weak EB feeling was just complete shit. i mean, even a toy pistol which fires water is more fun to use than this old weak EB for 12yo gamers kids.

finally the weak EB is instant, and it's finally the good old rail/sniper whatever you call it that its supposed to be. keep in mind that the rail/sniper/eb is a LONG RANGE 1 SHOT weapon, it's not supposed to be a prediction weapon which shots projectiles or whatever, it's just gimmicks... we don't need any gimlicks in a true competitive game, and you know it. if you want to play a game with lot of gimmicks, just go for ut 2k3/4. not saying that ut is bad, far from it, actually it's a really fun and well made game, but for true competitive gaming, you'll go for quake :) (cpm :D).

I don't care what you think, I didn't read your post except the first line, you are wrong&dumb - learn the meaning of "random".

says the clueless UT fag

:-/

Yeah, I'm so clueless - especially compared to you. (dumb fool)

i'm a genius. you can't win against a genius at that game.

you're dumb, a nobody and always been bad at computergames eventhough you play them 24/7, you're also a pretty bad at trolling.

like i said, i'm not dumb, i'm a genius. I'm not a nobody anymore, and i don't play video games 24/24 7/7, atm if you really wanna know i play like between 2 and 4 hours of ql a day, 5 times a week. Some weeks i even only play for like 5-6 (which means like not even 1 hour/day) hours cuz i'm bored, lazy, depressed and scared by life. So as you can see i'm naturally talented at video games. But still, life is crap and scary, ofc.

and i'm very good at trolling, and sometimes even if i didn't mean to troll, it's still a troll reply...

so what i suggest to you is that we become e-brothers so that we can respect and love each others and walk through the same internet path. Because together we are stronger. And we need to think all together to enjoy this life.

damn i'm impressive.

Thank you for your life story, maybe you should go talk with walter.

i tried to imsg him at ESR, but the only reply i got was "huh ?".

the more you have to predict something in a short period of time, the more it becomes random. except if you're superhuman.

It doesn't slow down, it doesn't go faster, it has a fixed speed and delay. It's not random.

everything is random. But some things are less random than others.

i don't want to write an other essay there to explain why, because my english is too bad and i kinda feel lazy..; And even if i write it you wouldn't even read it properly.

that i'll try to keep it simple :
ofc the projectile always move at the same speed, is always fired at the same firerate, always does the same amount of dmgs etc, but still, since wsw is fast (it's one of the fastest fps ever), and since the projectiles are kinda slow (at least for a weapon like the rail/eb) and got absolutely no splash dmgs etc, basically you have like 1 sec at best to predict where to shoot, so most of the time it's basically like the lotery, you'll try to predict your opponent but won't have enough time to do it and then your shot will basically be mostly dictated by luck... or at least it's 55% luck 45% skill. especially if you use the old weak eb only for long range shots. ofc you can still use it at close range, but why the hell would you use the EB for close range lol ?

You can try and write an essay all you want, it's not like anyone here would read it and it won't make you less wrong. Your inability to predict doesn't make the gun more or less random. You don't have to "try and keep it simple" seeing you already proved to be one of the more dumb users posting on esr.

"Your inability to predict doesn't make the gun more or less random."

Then i'm not the only one unable to predict properly the old weak EB... keep in mind that we are humans, and even with like 8hours/day of warsow pratice, you couldn't even manage to hit 40% with old weak eb only.

You're right. He's misusing the word "random".

If you can mathematically calculate it given an exact method and receive the same result every time, then it's not "random".

lol. you're so smart it's amazing.

what you said is interesting but you forgot the fact that you don't have enough time to calculate where to shoot with the old weak EB, especially since the projectile was incredibly small (and unlike the rockets, it had no splash radius etc) and... slow, at least for a sniper rifle (or whatever you call it, long range 1 shot weapon)...
so basically most of the time you'll only hit like 15-20% with old weak EB...

whether or not you have time to figure it up doesn't make it "random". You don't get to redefine the word "random" at your leisure.

so let's say you're gonna get hit by a car; you see the car coming, you only have 0.2secs to make a decision. what happens ? in these kind of situations you have something like 1 chance out of 2 to get hit by the car. 50% then. so what happens if you get hit ? you're unlucky. what happens if you manange to dodge the car ? you're lucky.

GOT IT FFS ?

I think it's a language barrier. I forgot English wasn't your first language.

Random means it cannot be duplicated intentionally. In any scenario that something can be duplicated intentionally, then it's not random.
While NOT getting hit by the car is certainly a good thing, if you have X speed reflexes and reaction time and you have X amount of notice before getting hit by the car, then that's not random either.
You're lucky if the car is going slow enough to fall within your range of reaction time, though.

"if you have X speed reflexes and reaction time and you have X amount of notice before getting hit by the car, then that's not random either. "

YES OFC BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU RE NO SUPERHUMAN. FFS.

"You're lucky if the car is going slow enough to fall within your range of reaction time, though. "

OFC NO SHIT SHERLOCKS.

SRY CAPSLOCK.

doublerage ;d

The maps look delicious.

Does it still have the same gameplay based on different ammo types ?

afaik it was tweaked. weak ammo is the same as strong but just a little bit less powerful

yes, that's why they call it weak and strong
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weak armor used to have different characteristics. for example.

weak "rail" would not be instant hit.

weak "shaft" would lag behind

There's never been a 'weak armor'.

And weak "rail" is instahit in 0.5

yeah, damn those armours

meant ammo

no fucking shit, sherlock

You sir have to shut the fuck up, you have no clue what you're talking about.

who are you? lol :D I think I know a bit more about wsw than you, mister coolz0r.

I lol'd :D

the new maps look nice, i like the textures

what about mili§ia ?

wdm19 looked best with the first set of textures (metalic, industrial) when it was a test map

the rest of the maps look very nice though

i hope it will be released in a resonable time, i remember when esr wrote about 0.5 it took several weeks (maby it was months don´t remember exactly but it felt ages) to release it, in that time mostly people just forgot about it...

There's no yet a defined plan for the release, it will take some time. This post isn't anouncing an inmediate release. Sry if it looked like that.

s'all good. Those new map textures are lookin' $$$$$$

=] I'm looking forward to it's release. Wsw is a LAN party favorite when me or one of my local buddies are hosting.

s1ck

I hope djWHEAT is still the announcer. :D

Oh my god! I played Warsaw so many times and watched djWheat's casts but I didn't realized that it is his voice until you said that. LMAO @ me!

By the way I don't like that announcer sounds, imho it should be more momentous and epic. However I like djWheat shoutcasting live games.

pole

this would be the perfect changelog:

- we went back to warsow 0.2. No gimmicky stun, decent weapon balance (hopefully removing strong ammo, which is not that much useful actually [about 15% more dmg])
- we made the game a fps game instead of running in circles through the map (they actually think it's a feature to have 2 people following a perfect item path and trying to deny that, without any fight or real strategy what so ever)
- these changes were made because we realized the game is (almost) dead (even more than cpm), as are our forums too. Since that happened mostly because of quake live we decided to do some changes so we can compete with them, or at least be not only something different but something good enough against quake3 in a browser.

i agree that stun is poo. a lot of warsowr's dislike it- I can see the point in it, but it doesnt work (and is incredibly frustrating in some situations!)

- we made the game a fps game instead of running in circles through the map (they actually think it's a feature to have 2 people following a perfect item path and trying to deny that, without any fight or real strategy what so ever)

I honestly have no idea what you mean. Not a clue. Warsow duels never were and never will be tacticfests but no one follows a 'perfect item path' with a fight or any real strategy! If that happened duels would end up with frag counts in the single digits- and this is far less common than in quakelive. having said that, I'd agree that quake live duelling has far more thought behind it.

The game is pretty dead and ql has definitely had an impact on it but after seeing warsow rise and fall over the last 4 years, I've come to realise that there will always be a community for it.

more than that what I meant is that fights are not like in any other fps game.

I think we are used to situational fights, in which position has a huge role, there's strategy involved and other factors.

fair enough, can agree with that

ok

New textures look nice, now it's almost Team Fortress. I'm looking forward to see changes in sound and models because it is the main reason I stopped playing Warsow.

Any VODs available?

sup

wanna duel again? ql ofc.

haha, i can't hang on high pings with ql's netcode.

I can try to play nearby your place then. I ping quite good to Russia, Moscow (55ms), haven´t tried USA or something nearby yet....

170 Texas, Dallas
107 New York
66 Iceland, Keflavik

:)

really, not 1.0 yet, really?

so what?
It's a way better game than a lot of other titles with higher values than 1.0

Not saying it's a bad game. It's just that a game doesn't usually get taken seriously until it reaches 1.0.

/me takes q4 1.0 srsly

I wouldn't mind calling it 1.0 actually :p

Neato!

loved instagib in wsw, so laid back ;)

Yea instagib in wSw is definitely better than instagib in any other game because of very attractive movement possibilities.

ye and it is great in ctf due to the high speed you can reach quite fast
I remember a speedyctf that was epic, UBER fast, something great! ^^

yea pretty good and playable with any ping (was playing with 150+ ping or something)

insta is fun depending on the map. iCA is bloody awful as it's played on huge maps and (generally speaking) by german retards- when I say german retards I'm not saying that all retards are german or and germans are retards BUT in this case, the two seem to go hand in hand.

I consider old insta (with EB, not IG) as much better/more fun that the current one and believe me, I am not alone :P

the only difference is the gun model and sound? Or you mean before instajump was added. Anyway, insta evolves to where insta players want to take it. Instajump isn't even enabled by default, and bipbeta is a custom map, so... guess the rest.

the reload time isn't the same, jal. i hope you guys change it so that the reload time is the same as the eb - because it feels so awkward going from nw to insta.

yeah instagib on wctf1, had tons of fun playing that.

Where can I buy premium?

haha

this game is easy to learn if you can play quake.

unfortunately, it's also impossible to get into if you don't, that's why I never recommend it to any of my friends :\

woot!

I just downloaded and played warsow for the first time and I have a question. What's with the lasergun? It's like the shaft in quake, but it's so laggy like no truelightning. Is that just how it is or is there a command to fix it and make it straight and controlled like quake's LG?

Also, djwheat's announcing is so, so sad in this game. So unenthusiastic and bored-sounding.

Get ammo for it, and you'll see the beam is straight. That's the difference between weak/strong ammo. This is also pretty apparent with the grenades.

That's ...terrible.

I tried out warsow once but there are so many pathetic gimmicks like that. What in god's name are they trying to accomplish with things like weak and strong ammo, stunning, and other ridiculously stupid features?

Goddammnit, they could make a decent game, but they are trying so hard to make a fail game.

I think plenty of those 'gimmicks' make sense in Warsow. And I think being open to change is an important ingredient to truly enjoy Warsow ;). Not that you're not entitled to your opinion, I'm jus saying we are not trying to make a fail-game :D.

Why make it more complex than it needs to be? There are so many weapons too, who needs these many weapons?

I can understand adding complexity to movement and stuff, but all these technical things, does it need to be as complex as it is?

I've tried out Warsow, Quake world, and CPM all within the past year. Of these I find quake world by in large the best game because it's fairly simple, the movement is fun and not difficult to grasp, but there still is the element of skill that requires experience. there's no BS, it's a straight up good game.

I feel like both Warsow and CPM tried to recreate a quakeworld experience but kind of missed the ball as to what I believe makes quakeworld such a fun game. No one cares about showing off your massive dick cause you can play a complex shooter that noobs cant handle. People play these kinds of games because of the fun of a ultra fast paced deathmatch game.

/rant

It's entirely your choice, but, maybe you should consider stop looking for QW inside the other games you try.

I agree with you on the fact that a good competitive "quake-like" game has to be simple. Simple to understand but very hard to master, and, ofc, fast & skilled.

So, when you play wsw, basically, what do you have to learn ?
Bunny-hop (quakeworld movements style), strafe-jumping (quake 2/3/ql movements style), dash (unreal tournament style), walljump (unreal tournament style), strong ammos (stronger weapons when you pick the ammos), slide (on the ramps) etc etc...
So, that's ~6 different things, is it really too much for your brain ? ;D

Ofc in QW you don't have to learn the walljumps, strafe-jumping etc... But then the gameplay is more "flat & repetitive". There's less diversity in players styles overall. All you have to do is basically master the RL/GL/LG and bunny-hop and then you learn the map/map control etc and you're done. Then it's mainly spam spam, rage mode, spam spam, rage mode, tele, rage mode, tele, wait, wait, spam, spam, 70% LG, spam, spam, wait, wait, rage mode... Things like these you know... Ofc you can still outsmart your opponent in QW and ofc there's different way to master the rl/lg etc, ofc there's still different players styles, but if you compare to let's say wsw or cpm, it's another story really...

I was never really a fan of QW tbh, what I like in QW is that it's really fast & violent, I mean, it's a game for real men (no homo), but on the other hand, well, let's be honest, it's only a game for brainless hardcore facist people. "Hasbeen" game, even if the latest clients made by the community are nice (nquake etc...). I still like bunny-hop and fast weapon switch a lot tho, that's why if I had to choose between QW or CPM, I would go for CPM without any hesitation. And if I had to choose between wsw and qw, iI would go for wsw... And there's no railgun (electrobolt) at QW :P.

shush, as if you knew anything about qw.

I know more than you about QW that you'll ever know.

stupid zealot.

oh, really... how come?

"I feel like both Warsow and CPM tried to recreate a quakeworld experience but kind of missed the ball as to what I believe makes quakeworld such a fun game."

No, CPM's aim was to recreate Quake 3 as a proper successor including elements from Quake 1/QW and Quake 2. Bunny hopping doesn't make something QW nor does it mean it's trying to be QW.

"I feel"

after all it's his opinion and i can't help but agree. we all know what cpm's aim was, if it succeeded lies in the eye of each player.

It's what he thinks/feels and it's wrong. The aim of the project is for the project makers to determine, then it is for others to judge the success. He was talking about the aim.

he's describing the feeling he had while playing cpm, how can a description be 'wrong'? it's subjective and i share the feeling. cpm movement wise: a failed qw clone.

does it hurt? :)

I know English isn't your first language but that doesn't excuse your facepalming stupidity.

maybe you're right, but it seems like it hurt. :p

you are a fucking retard.

says the guy with an ego built on cheating in fucking quakelive ca.

with an ego built on my own brain to hand shaft you mean

I'm fairly sure I read arqon saying that the inspiration was QW, and like the other poster mentioned here, it effectively was an altered QW experience.

Don't get me wrong I do enjoy CPM but I think both its and Warsow's creators are missing the point of a fast-paced bhop/insta weapon switch game. And if I'm not mistaken you're a dev of CPM?

The point was never about proving your skill or requiring skill. That was never the point. The point was that playing a ultra fast paced deathmatch game like QW is fun. Skill naturally came along with that.

But instead of focusing on making a fast paced deathmatch game thats FUN, warsow appears to be trying to add arbitrary gimmicks to the game just for the sake of calling it complex and claiming it requires more "brain" (face it, no video game requires 1/1000th of the brain power that any academic endeavor does). And then they wonder why such a shooter with all its intricacies is so unsuccessful in becoming popular.

So does a fast paced deathmatch game have to be a clone of QW? Not at all! But it should be accessible and features in the game must be justifiable. You don't add features for the sake of adding a feature.

Believe me, in the devteam it's noones goal to call Warsow complex :D.

But an on-topic cliché: each gamer has its own preferences and suggestions and definitions for good or bad gameplay. It's impossible to please everyone's. I think you should be happy that you've found the game you want to play - I'd stick to QW if I were you ;-).

I would, the game is dead

I agree with you a lot actually. Here is a good example, I love bunny hopping around a map like a mad man but I've come to realize you can have crazy fast movement without having such an insane learning curve bunnying usually adds. A good counter example would be original Doom movement, you have very simple things which boost speed such as SR40, SR50, wall running, etc but the game is still hard to play due to the insane speeds.

I like depth and complexity but simplicity goes a long way too. Doom is easy to pick up and learn but you still see a huge movement skill gap among players. Just choosing how to move and where represents a lot of skill. I don't think requiring incredibility complex mouse movement adds anything overall to bunnying.

I like games where I move around at warp speed and frag things often in one hit. I don't like games where I move slow and whittle enemies away from a distance. Speed and brutality are fun.

I agree with you.

But still, again, it's not all black or white. There's some nuancies.

Ofc weak and strong ammos don't make warsow as complex as any academic endeavor. Ofc course you don't need as much "brain" in wsw as if you were some Einstein scientist. But you still need more "brain" when you play wsw than when you play QW. It's fact. Or, AT LEAST, you're not forced to be insane with the RL or the LG to win, because there's more aspect of your own playstyle that you can improve, compared to qw.
For example, if you play instagib, and you lose, why did you lose ? Because your opponent was hitting 70% rail and you were "only" hitting 60%. Then how can you win the game ? Hit 71% rail.
In QW there's still map control etc etc, but at then end, if you don't get insane RL/LG aim, if you're not a true brainless sparta warrior, you just can't win. In wsw if your aim is "average" you can still improve your movements (optimal use of walljumps/dash/strafejump/bunny), or you can improve your map control (by controling even the weapons ammos) etc... Basically there's more diversity in playstyles. If you're unable to hit 40% LG or if your rl isn't THAT good, you can still win by improving others aspects like ammos control etc etc. That can make the game really interesting. Overall players have more "choices", they are not forced to play this or that way, they can develop their own playstyle.
Not saying that the wsw gameplay is perfect tho, far from that atm ;).

But you still need more "brain" when you play wsw than when you play QW. It's fact.

no, even if it's just for the simple fact that the competition in qw is much much higher than in wsw. more gimmicky weapons do not make game "deep" or "brainy".


[edit] compare reppie/griffin to dag to locktar/paradoks to sod/ul/mutilator/interceptor, do you see what i mean?
aim isn't everything, one could argue that raw lg aim is more important in vq3.

see: challenge-tv.com

"more gimmicky weapons do not make game "deep" or "brainy"."

weak & strong ammos are no gimmicks. only the way they are tweaked can make them gimmicks.

and ofc aim is not EVERYTHING in QW. but you just can't deny the fact that you still need at least a very good rl/lg to succeed, at high lvl. while at wsw, if you only get good aim overall (not even very good, just good), you can still be top8-5. and don't tell me that the lvl at wsw is low, nowadays i think that i agree that the lvl in duel isn't very high, but some months or 1 year ago, trust me, some duelers were already really good, they were not a lot, but those who were good were REALLY good.
and if you give them the opportunity to play the game for another 10 year, you would see people with insane items timings/map control but only "good" aim, and people with insane aim but "average" items control. and they would all be in the top8-5. there's more playstyles diversity in wsw than in qw, that's a fact.

I think the fact CPM devs still have to deny CPM was a QW remake after all these years is telling enough.

Beyond having bunny hopping and instant switch I'm not even sure what you're seeing as being a QW remake. It's a blend of Quakes and far more like Q2/Q3 than QW in the most important areas like DPS (damage per second) and knockback which dictate the feel of the game. If we'd wanted to make a QW remake we'd have started with the most obvious defining features of QW- the rocket launcher and Lightning gun power level. I don't understand why you're so set on it being a QW remake, it's a Quakes remake including QW. I'm not denying QW's influence on it (which posts seem to think), I'm just trying to make the surely obvious point that that's not its sole inspiration. Having rail, pummel, MG, strafe jumping, double jumps, air stepups and the lower weapon power level etc make it a very different game to QW. There are QW remakes for Quake 3 if that's what you want, they're nothing like CPM. There were members of the original team who DID want it to be a complete QW remake, similarly some of them wanted it to be a Q2 remake. It ended up as a blend. There would be nothing wrong with being a QW remake, it's just not one so the determination to claim it is, even when someone involved with it for over a decade tells you it wasn't is bizarre.

It's not that I want to discuss the main argument at all, but the point of having influence of all quakes is debatable, at least the q2 influence. If anything, CPM moves Q3 gameplay appart from Q2 style, since Q2 feeling is much closer to Q3 than to CPM feeling. Yes, CPM adds Q2 tricks, but removes every other element from Q2 present in Q3, so, at the end, the balance of "quake2ness" is negative.

That's the subjective judgement that zealot was trying to argue for earlier and this time is correct- it's up to you to judge the success, I am just stating the aim.

aerocontrol is crucial part of qw/cpm feeling. no one quake will ever have q2 feeling with earocontrol. and if you wanna have q2/vq3 level of tactics you at least need use bigger duel maps than in q2/vq3 coz cpm speed is faster and items very similar to q2/vq3. another thing - instant weapon switch - doesnt add any more tactics to cpm. on the contrary it makes it even more similar to qw.
just look at top vq3 players. do you think they're not using all their brain potential in quake with vq3 speed and vq3 maps size?
i think speed/map_size ratio is one of the main factors defining presence of tactics and it's fine in most vq3 maps, not in cpm

agreed. complexity in games shouldnt come from mechanics but rather from the game principles. in my opinion the principles of deathmatch games (aim, movement, item control, positional control etc.) are pretty much maxed out by the mechanics of quakeworld, as simple as they are. additional stuff just unneccesarily complicates things. increased complexity is best achieved by expanding the game principles. for a long time i have wished for the addition of some kind of 'macro' element to quake style games. one of the reason i liked enemy territory. bla bla end of rant

Oh, that's kind of disappointing. I'm not really crazy about the strong ammo/weak ammo concept. The weak version of weapons is kind of lame. The movement felt like a clunkier version of cpm. sped up a little, smoothed out a little, something closer to cpm or quakeworld would be really cool. the art direction on most of the levels, though, is really awesome. I love the look of a lot of the maps. I hope they can smooth out the movement some, and maybe have a console command or even just an optional gametype where you can disable the weak ammo. And definitely get another announcer. Hearing djwheat before every game sounding so distracted and nerdy actually makes me less excited to play. Ha :P Definitely felt like a solid beta though. A few touch-ups and it could be really fun. Still a ways away from quakeworld or cpma though.

"The movement felt like a clunkier version of cpm"
lol'd. i guess you never played warsow.

What's the supposed to mean? The movement is noticeably clunkier than cpm's. Could use a little polishing/smoothing out. Not a big deal, don't be hurt. :P

There is NO difference between grenade behaviour for weak and strong, only damage and radius.

it's not lagged, it's just flacid, but it touches where you see it. Get strong ammo for laser erections.

That's... that's what she said?

Be nice if they posted some Warsow screens instead of TF2 ones.

Ja hè?

I was gonna say the maps remind me of tf2... which is a good thing, tf2 is really strong visually.

Warchooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

<3

OP: "free and fastpaced cel-shaded cartoony FPS"

... Warsow isn't really cel-shaded. Only the character models and hud weapons are.

Anyway, so I'm not that familiar with Warsow,. Tried it a few times and it didn't really do anything much for me. Only wanted to get back into Quake.

But this post mentions overhauling the weapons. And from what I've heard of some other people actually playing the game it is that the developers are fucking around so much with the mechanics of the game play that no serious players want to stick around.

The post makes reference to the weapon visuals, not the behaviors.

amazing game...u get easy addicted to bomb mode!!

Played it for the first time today, felt a lot slower then I had expected, was hoping for a better weapon selection then renamed Q3 weapons, don't really understand the need for strong ammo, and I have no idea what the 'stunned' thing is all about.

The graphics are really cool, but sometimes the lighting can be distracting, especially the neon strips which occupy every single edge. As well some of the levels are simply too dark, and since I couldn't readily find force enemymodel brightskins I was left scratching my head when it came to long distance shots against a dark purple opponent on a dark level.

To force models, go to setup -> teams aspect setup. Make sure you set 'show my team as team alpha' and 'show teamless players as team beta'. Then you can set team & enemy model & colour.

Aaron > Warsow

Cant stand the movement in wsw, 0-1000ups instantly or w/e isnt good

it's 0-475ups with a dash actually. Which is slower than a good Circle Jump.

Circle jumps arent instant, you cant just shoot off in 1 direction instantly and it takes skill to get speed from it

You can combine a dash with a strafejump to get even more speed which does take skill. Obviously a dash on it's own requires less skill than a circlejump though. It's not 1000ups either way though.

its close to being the same as in cpm

With the exception of the "special" button feature, movement in warsow seems a little dumbed down compared to quake. And it's noticeably slower, too, which is what is most disappointing for me. If they sped it up a little bit and made a command where you could disable the weak ammo, then it would be a fun game (not qw or q3 or anything, but still a really good game).

Fun but not good. There was a faster dash in 0.4 which made the game a +back-fest.

Ah, yeah that makes sense. Good point!

faster dash means that you can also +frwrd faster ;)

OS X???

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Warsow <3

Warsow for bomb. ctf tactics and insta
Quake Live for duel

Thats my opinion at least
Quake live dueling
Warsow teaming

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Agree although CTF is kinda meh in wSw atm I think, just doesn't feel special in anyway - just default CTF. Bomb, TDM and other mods can be really fun on Warsow, too bad the scene is limited.

Playing the same maps in QL as 10 years ago is kinda zzz, watching duel on the other hand rocks.

Oh and vagina!

I would say tdm duel bomb for wsw and ctf for QL,
but just my opinion :) but watching duel in ql is great.

can't really comment on ctf but warsow tdm is/was a mess :D

Awsome! can't wait :D awsome game!

Problem with Warsow is that sure it's fast, but during battles people slow down. It's difficult to abuse a positional advantage. I think rocket splash should be a lot larger and more powerful, because while QW is fast too it doesn't suffer from this problem. Same goes for CPM, but less so. I want a tired weapon system (not talking weak/strong ammo) instead of trying to make all the weapons balanced.

i'd say positioning is probably far less important than in, say, ql because the weapons are so much more balanced (although I agree with you in that this might actually be a bad thing)- there aren't many situations in warsow where you'd be better off backing away or not taking a fight due to a bad position. take that how ye will i guess :D

"ql because the weapons are so much more balanced"

well, if you're talking about wsw weapons, then i can't agree with you on this one :P. why ? because that's not the weapons which are balanced, it's more cuz of the instant weapon switching and dash/walljump + bunny-hop, but not the weapons, actually. i mean in wsw it's easier to get out of a bad situation or even "clean" your mistake "on the fly" because weapon combos are much faster etc etc.
about the weapon balance, that's one of the main reason why i /quitted wsw some months ago : the way they balance the weapon is just wrong.
first, i think that you know the ffmod drama and i won't explain it once more here :), but at least you know that basewsw 0.5 is basically a mix of 0.3/0.4 weapons settings and ffmod weapons settings... which on the long run, just feels weird and "unprofessional", why "unprofessional" ? because they listen too much to the forum "tards", basically they listen to much to the "newcomer" or "clueless" community... not saying that newcomers are usually dumb etc, far from that, but when you want to make a true competitive game (competititve doesn't mean necessarily "not fun anymore", actually you can have both), you have to listen only to the best players. the problem is that if you take a look at the wsw community, you can clearly see that the "best" players are from others games like CS/CSS whatever, so basically they were probably good at this games, but wsw is just not CS/CSS/UT etc, wsw is warsow, and it's closer to "cpm with walljumps" than ut or css or whatever, if you see what i mean. most of the wsw inspiration is cpm, not saying that wsw SHOULD be just like cpm, but when you're looking for the best weapon balance etc, then you look at cpm, and not CS or UT or whatever..
then, the way they try to balance the weapons is just wrong, why ? because they basically do it as if it was an rts (i mean, look at starcraft patch notes and then look at wsw weapons tweaking...), they add +5dmdg there, remove -5 dmgs here, they add like +50u range to lg, etc etc, here again all their weapons tweaks are gimmicks (btw, look at starcraft 2, terran is clearly the strongest race atm... seems like blizzard are having some trouble balancing the game properly...). if you want to get the "perfect" weapon balance, you have to set a goal first, and listen only to the most experienced players, and i'm not talking about those who play the game for like 3-4 years but still got 0 aim and are always complaining about the lg being too strong, the EB being too lame, etc etc...
So, basically wsw weapon balance is a mixture of old cpm weapon balance + ffmod + minor dmg/knockback tweaking + old wsw 0.3/0.4 weapon balance... It's just so fucking messy, and doesn't eally makes sense. Not saying that the current weapon balance is not working at all, just saying hat if a player decides to abuse 1 weapon, he can do it easily (but it's not even like ql, cuz at least at ql everything is pretty much consistent, i mean, everything makes sense at ql, although the gameplay is much slower than wsw). wsw could have the best and the most fun weapon balance ever, but just cuz of some clueless devs/forum tards, it has just become pretty much a mess.

sry for my bad english. ;D

np

wsw has a terrible weapon balance, which is more noticeable when also considering strong ammo.

In the end it feels like an amateur project, and that's why quake live release hurt warsow so much.

i hope they remove what they remove in 0,5 .

yes for dash from invisble walls . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA6IKy258Io

well, it's cuz of the map, but on proper maps you just can't dash on invisible walls xD.

tho this demo was quite impressive and fun to watch =)

If you try Warsow make sure you cg_oldMovement "1" for QW+CPM style strafing and circle jumping. The movement will feel weird to any quaker if you don't do this first.

Some other movement tips: you can switch directions instantly by dashing in a new direction instead of jumping whilst strafe jumping, or by kicking off a wall. The timing takes a bit of practice, but aim your mouse in your desired direction and hit the special key once you have a bit of speed.

+1. I hope that the upcoming versions of Warsow highlight the cg_oldmovement 1 command in some way, since a lot of the oldschool / Quake players will absolutely love the Warsow movement when compared to cg_oldmovement 0.

i agree with you.

they should even just get rid of this cg_oldmovement 0 "non-sense". cg_oldmovement 0 doesn't give any advantage to cg_oldmovement 1 since v0.4 and it's not even easier for newcomers, actually it's the opposite sometimes...
i liked cg_oldmovement 0 in v0.3 cuz at least you got insane +frwrd air control, i mean, it was almost like painkiller. but then you got an obvious little advantage over cg_oldmovement 1 players, at least in small maps, that's why they tweaked it and made it as it is now in v0.5 : totally useless gimmick.

You can still strafejump/circlejump with newmovement, but I agree, to QWers and CPMers the newmovement might feel weird at first. But no hurt in trying some new stuff every once in a while ;). Personally I like combining strafejumps with the easy PK style bunnying :).

cg_oldmovement 0 was added to get new players to the game since the developers believed that was the reason why there were no new players whatsoever. Did it work?

if it didn't then they should consider removing it because it dis-attracts old school players.

Personally I don't care about that but the thing is I really enjoyed the game back on warsow0.2 and 0.32 (I can't recall trying 0.12), but the new versions are worse to me than those and that's why I left it (never played it a lot anyway).
There are lots of reasons: the game feels random (especially respawns), not balanced, awful art style and in-game feel (maybe qfusion has something to do with it), stun, really dislike how the game is made to have few frags in duel (even jal said that here)

Oh look, the game I'm ranked #1 in the world at.

@zymze: oh man
@zymze: i would reply/insult everybody who posted on that thread
@zymze: fucking retard
@zymze: "i never played it" WHY ARE YOU POSTING FAGGOT
@zymze: "bomb is awesome" NO ITS NOT

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When doz it come out