1rd

NOOOOOOOOOO
wait, technically, I'm 1rd

Fird?

I wonder what this means for id Software, what his time split going to be, is he leaving completely?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2461585/carmack...us-as-cto/

So according to twitter 100% oculus. Seems both sad and optimistic, I guess... But looks like [id] are kind of done in terms of any part of the original Quake creators being gone. Maybe next they'll buy an engine from Epic :)

Happy to say @id_aa_carmack is not leaving id & will continue to provide leadership for our games in development.
— id Software (@idSoftware) August 7, 2013

thanks

On paper, maybe. In practice, he's taking his talent elsewhere. And you could get how he feels about VR and development at id from his keynote. In terms of what I perceived, I'd say John interests are VR (fun new tech) > Armadillo (who doesn't like playing with rockets) > id (boring grind work, lots of messy code to sort, not really a new and exciting thing for him).

the last statement from oculus seems to verify that: "John is working full-time Oculus. He is fully-engaged at Oculus as the Chief Technology Officer (CTO). As you can guess from the title, CTO is never part time, it is a full time gig. John's role at id is between John and id."

That public statement, together with id's, makes it look like a war for the ownership of John Carmack is going on. Maybe it's not settled yet. :)

I think id have clearly lost. They're just minimizing damages by saying John Carmack remains at the company. If he didn't provide any support, I assume any ongoing projects would have been majorly screwed.

id cannot state their main figure is leaving the company. Carmack's reputation is id's biggest asset.

Yeah, there is no way he can be a CTO of 'id' in any significantly creative capacity, probably just support and transition mode.

All is well as long as he keeps delivering his annual keynote speech at QuakeCon. ;)

according to his keynote, armadillo right now is on hibernation mode, unless there comes an investor along sharing their ideas, which is probably not so likely to happen in the near term ... and he doesn't seem to be so fond anymore of graphics in game development, because stated multiple times, that the graphics today are good enough, and it's not really anymore about the graphics engine, but about the gameplay and artists which make a good game today, of course he is still technically interested in new features in graphics engines, but he just knows that these things won't change much in the game experience ... he said only maybe real time raytracing might change some little things ... and he also talked that with the beginning of development of rage he made the experience of being engaged in very big development team and had to direct it, not so sure if he is so fond of that ... with oculus he has something new where he can make an inch and there are also smaller development teams ....

hope it leads to some cool shit :)

wait wait wait..

Virtual Reality Glasses have been there (and flopped) since the 90s..

BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE CARMACK ON THE CASE!

I have a VFX1 headset I got for €50 some years ago. Maybe it's time to get it out of the box again. ;)

Yeah, and so was this.

Newton wasn't that bad really. Obviously no iPad though...

you mean, obviously it wasn't an overpriced piece of shit whose only strong point is 100mil of apple hipsters that think they're unique?

If you listened to his last 6 hours of qcon keynotes, you would know the progress and his eagerness to improve this technology to make it actually usable and believable to human body.
VR existed for a long time, but he's actually breaking it down to each and every muscle and perception bit and looks for improvements. This is going to be awesome.

no i didnt listen to his 6h keynotes

i did so in the past tho and everytime i was like "woah, next games from id gonna be awesome" - and the rest is history

you're quite limited

6hrs means two Qcon's together, you don't have to listen to both years >8-D

His talks aren't really about id's games, but about his insights on the current state of technology and where it's headed. As you can see for the type of questions people ask him afterwards. Of course he often talks about what he's up to at id, but it's still all about tech and not the games themselves.

you can be disappointed about the keynote 2013, i've seen it and never watch it again, that says it all ...

i would like to have a Qcon'2013.JohnCarmack.keynote.mp3 for listening on the cell phone in the future ... thank's id >8-)

no not about the games. still about the engine behind doom3 and rage. and tbh i found those very disappointing

so i guess more people will leave id software. a little bit strange timing, four years after zenimax bought id. may be that is happening because doom 4 has serious problems.

i don't want to be pessimistic, but it looks like quake and doom may become just a franchises to be used to squeeze some money and then to be forgotten. wonder what will happen with our precious quakelive.

Could actually be a good sign. If some new blood gets in, maybe fresh and good ideas start rolling out again.

prey and duke nukem forever are examples of how big corporations are completing ambitious projects. just a dull products, not different from anything on the market.

I hope Tim Willits is the next to leave, the guy clearly doesn't understand what makes the older id software games so good. Nothing but crap with him at the helm, and no positive prospects for the future.

You can be the captain beef heart.

quake 5 will be real, like real real

Virtual reality with the first Quake's theme (H.P. Lovecraft mythos) will make people laugh at silly games like Amnesia.

good point, but amnesia isnt silly at all, i almost shat myself. well im sensibile with horror games eversince. silent hill 1 to 4 left deep scars on my tender soul

Horror as a genre doesn't impact me. Films and games have always seemed a bit silly from my perspective.

That's because you're not human.

Well, that's just hurtful.

Signs of human traces right there.

All fake.

Probably posted elsewhere before but this Carmack journal reveals some interesting insights into early qw/q2 days -- and lol at him having too many Ferraris, needing to give one away("new engine. I melted the first one"). Fascinating techtalk and intense recreation.

But when they perfect the technology I guess he will be like "ok, time to actually make use of it by developing a game that is perfect for it"

well, i'll miss his engines. id software games, not so much. Yes they made great shooters back in the day, but others surpassed them a decade ago with new ideas and thinking. I just hope his VR project help make better displays in terms of responsiveness.

new ideas? like health regen and joypad-oriented slow-shit movement? or maybe like 5-firing-modes crappy guns and triggered endless enemy respawns in single player? or maybe like console-all-favourite-blurred-puke-diarrhea graphics and press-x-x-times-to-finish-the-game gameplay?
Those new ideas?
nobody have surpassed QIIIA(QL) or DooM3 or even Q1 in fps-gameplay-wise so far, except maybe HL1 (based on Q1 engine). Everything else is made for slow non-challenging gameplay. Welcome to "surpassed" future.

Compared to those the new fps games are more fun, for everyone that isn't hardcore old school 1338 or just nostalgic (rose tinted glasses).

Fast and difficult to pick up doesn't equal good and there are more games than quake (Really, there are).

mate, countless brainless tv serials and shows r also kinda "more fun" for gray zombified masses, but that doesn't mean u have to like it or count them as smth that "surpasses" twin peaks s1 or the truman show, for example (your tastes may vary - won't dive any further into this branch of discussion), but the same applies to gaming industry now, and HUGELY.

Gaming have become mainstream with the same amount of brainless mass joining the mostly elite and manly world of gaming and e-sports, which it was before. Now it looks pretty much the same as any modern phenomenon (which has suffered the same transition) - inet, tv, movies, fantasy and any other fiction literature, etc. - it's an indescribably oversized pile of excrements, which holds some rare treasure chests here and there, but for the most people it's really a no-go to bother with treasure - 'cause it's so much "fun" to flow effortlessly in a warm steamy shit - they get used to it's smell very quickly too.

Slow and easy to pick up doesn't equal good either, mate.

FYI - QIIIA(QL) and HL1, for instance, r those rare treasures, whereas 99 of 100 games we receive every year are warm, steamy and "easy to pick up" substance. There really ARE more games than quake.

1.- Videogames are about having fun (they are a part of the entertainment industry) and companies target a wide audience. Which does a better job at that, QL or BO2? It isn't good that players don't understand the game and don't have fun playing it for the first year, while watching a b&w silent film compared to what they see now.

2.- Videogames have always been mainstream, they didn't recently become like it in recent years, and just like other mainstream hobbies the simplification dates from decades back. What happens is you are noticing it now as they are different and simpler than your tastes from when you were young, but that doesn't mean they are bad nor that this is a recent phenomena.

3.- Simplification doesn't mean worse. For example, do you listen to classical music everyday? Probably not, yet treasure the massive simplification that 70s music is compared to it. Just like in gaming I listen to both, because both appeal to me preference-wise, but that 70s music preference wouldn't exist if there wasn't a simplification to begin with.

4.- Companies got better at making videogames, whether they choose to make them more complex than before or make them simpler. Anyone that isn't a quake-only guy will tell you that as a whole 2013 AA and AAA games are objectively better than comparable 1999 games, though there are some timeless gems.
As an example based on them, it's safe to say that if one is objective then some of the considered to be 10/10 games would be at most 7/10 with the current standards, like goldeneye (sorry jamerio), while very few stood the test of the time, like super mario world. In some genres their best classics would be less than 6/10.

5.- With all that said, what equals good is having fun at the beginning and at the end. BO2 does both well, whereas QL gives an awful first impression, that furthermore doesn't show what makes it good if mastered. After that main issue then comes the technical achievements and game design progress that separate both: QL really shows it's from the past millennium. QL players have to forgive a lot of aspects and don't enjoy so many great things made after.
edit: a great example of all this is the racing genre, particularly the simulation part of it since nowadays they are easier to pick up than before and they are a lot more complex and difficult to master, beating the classics in both ends: more fun at the beginning and more fun at the end. This is one of the possible answers of point 4, but there are many,



And now two different points, which are directed at the poster rather than the topic but are crucial:

1.- Do you even play those 'hardcore' games? From what I'm reading it seems like someone that doesn't play QL yet thinks highly of it from the outside, which in itself is a flawed logic. At least link your QL profile and qlranks, otherwise you'll be discredited.
Actually, I don't think you appreciate how complex the current fps games are, as even in BO2 practically all core quake/cs mechanics and knowledge applies, just without items, bunny jumping, and adding auto-aim (the biggest offender). Of course some aspects are changed to make them easier but a good player can still abuse them, like playing the angles (maps are made so there are fewer sweet spots) and spawn raping (the system is different but there are still points and it's abuse-able)

2.- Actually you are talking way too highly of QL, so I'll say this: QL is a noob friendly version of Q3, which itself is noobified Q2/QW. There are documents on that, not pulling it from my ass. Don't see QL like it is chess or sport-like skill level, because it's not and it's not meant to be.
The same can be applied to your movie examples: the truman show is not the pinnacle of movie making by any means and most of its flaws are there precisely because it's made to attract mainstream, dumb audiences.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Gaming used to be about providing countless hours of fun from a game. That started with slot machines, went through home pong consoles and continues to this day with not only Quake or all the indie games, but also popular stuff like FIFA, Guitar Hero or party-friendly Kinect titles.

Meanwhile you imply that the only way to make a "good" game is to make it follow the Half-Life line - one-way linear story to follow, with obligatory cut-scenes. But that's exactly what made D3, Q4 and Rage such bad games. They were just no fun, just like Half-Life (ok, I only played HL2, it was really bad).

That those interactive movies sell millions of units is not a surprise - but it doesn't make them good games.

Please point out where I wrote that (or are you replying to the anon?), because my point was precisely the opposite: games should be fun from the instant you pick them, no matter your skill level, and fun is the main aspect on entertainment business products.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

They were just no fun, just like Half-Life (ok, I only played HL2, it was really bad).

So you're saying the first one was better? I was under impression the sequel was the best game ever or something.

I'm saying that you're a cock, Lam.


A COCK.

Yeah, there are plenty. And all of the doesn't have to be hard to be fun and enjoyable. But there's not really been any good shooters in the last 10 years to speak of. (Except ETQW from my personal bias)

just take those PC master race glasses off already. Have you ever enjoyed a single player game for it's story? yes there are many shooters better than what id had to offer, i really don't wanna mention names, just rest assured i'm NOT talking about cod or bf.

So much shit being typed here I don't know who to reply to. You'll just have to do.

Consoles have FUCKED gaming, do you hear me??! Early PC games were about pushing boundaries, technology, ideas. Today's consolized games are about making money - if a game needs countless cutscenes, instructions for retards, and lots of explosions to achieve that, then so be it. But don't think for a second that the best games are the one's you can pick up right away, because that's what has led us to today's shitty console games.

I agree completely, that was not the games i was talking about. "consolarized" games does not work on PC, and most games today are those shitty ports. I'm not completely sure what games you talk about, but i'm speaking pre-2004 or something for PC gaming.

pushing boundaries? what are you on about. That's the ONLY thing they do now, and they don't want you to go ouside their predetermined path for looking at it(invisible boundaries) and that's one of my biggest gripes. Return to battlefield and clipping blocks, lazy design, nothing else. Rage was the WORST GAME EVER to use invisible clipping blocks and GOD it ruined immersion.

hl1 is based on q2 engine. ;)

q1

q2's engine sucks balls

he's been so keen on this already. he said on his stream that he can't be in control of all facets of a game during development like he used to as things now are so complex. so to hear him dedicating the biggest portion of his time to understanding and improving the gaming experience with the rift is great news. can't wait to see what the final product becomes.

interesting that armadilo is now last on his list!

He talked about it in the keynote - they ran out of money basically. They found that they lost focus on their actual goal doing contract work to bring cash in. So he bankrolled them for a while so they didn't need to go after every penny, but that pot is now gone.

Unless a new backer comes in to help fund with similar goals, it's on the back burner, low funding, and not really progressing towards their goals.

john carmack's cookin' meth 'n' stuff.
go home john, you're drunk!

I'm actually excited about Oculus Rift.
Carmack is clearly very passionate about the project (QC keynote speech) and he improved the early prototype just by toying with it so him joining the team is a great news.

Anything that brings me closer to a porno holo deck is good

LOLOLOL

HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.

rofl

German dungeon porn?

Ya this is starting to look like the end of id as we know it. Which may be better for Zenimax since we all know how their last few games turned out.

Not saying id as a studio is dead, just that it will be a different one for better or worse.

starting to? :/

There hasn't been a major shakeup at id since romero leaving until lately with hollenshead gone and carmack defacto leaving.

I think they'll probably focus a lot more on maintaining the engine and maybe making a game or two now and again.

id Tech 5 is largely complete and will be used for the next gen too, and with improved Megatexture with the new consoles is a fairly solid engine I think, Carmack said he spent a lot of time polishing the tools up again as well IIRC.

I thought they would focus primarily on engine tech but that was with Carmack. Now I'm not so sure. I guess we'll find out after Doom 4 :o

Imo these virtual reality helmets are like 3D for movies. Hyped a lot. Nobody asked for it. Pushed by corporations to sell us "new" stuff. In the end just a flop.

Uhm Kickstarter?

..

omf wtf make it go away

Wow, id's days are slowly fading away...first Rage fail, than Doom 4 fail, than owned by Bethesda fail, now Carmack is focusing his talent somewhere else fail...But I really do hope we'll see Q5 one day. :)

Punkbuster big fail ...

John Romero quitting id to make you his bitch fail

Meh, what did Romero do after Quake? Daikatana? lol

The Make you his bitch part came from Daikatana :P

I guess i have the next candidate on my ignore list lmao

Full Name: Rudolph H1tler

i hope not, no more game to ruin the classic names(doom3 fail, quake 4 fail)

Whyyyy..... now Oculus VR will be squeezed out for every penny it can make and shit all over the customers..

We better see this with quake live... or five.

The last good game he was involved with came out in the 20th century.

I think it's more the fact that he was such a prominent figure in this community, and the general gaming community, which in turn made him an ambassador for death-match type games.

doom 3 was a good and immensly fun game.

and it wasn't released in the 20th century.

also, rage is an amazing game, just have to play it on consoles.

control could have been tighter though, if you set the sensitivity to a comfortable level to counter some of the ridiculous accel cut-in settings(slow slow, SUPER FAST HOW DID THAT HAPPEN) the sniper is almost unusable. I'm not really sure theres much auto-aim to speak of too actually(or magnet aim to be precise) so hitting anything moving across the screen(one side to the other) is virtually impossible, which made them design it as a cover based shooter apart from mutants who rush you in a straight line.

The game has it's moments, playing the authority for example. They rush you if you fumble around too much with the weapon ammo, plus using an EMP grenade to rush them back with the shotgun was a lot of fun actually.

It's by no means amazing, yes some of the shooting is fun, most is just tedious cover based, plus running around the maps is REALLY annoying with all that clipping to an invisible path making you feel crippled.

well i really loved rage, but then again, i missed all the modern shooters like cod, mass effect, etc. :D

missing cod is not a bad thing, makes you blind to the cod bug most games(not rage) catch nowadays.

i was just being pessimistic pointing out it was not an awesome game in any way, just mediocre at best, like most id games after q2.(q3 doesn't count, mp only when we talk sp) I dare not mention doom 3 as a good game, but it really was if you don't focus on the name and tone down what you THINK it should be.

imo doom3 was exactly what i expected it to be, a dark, gloomy corridor shooter that actually scared the shit out of me on some moments :D

First Tom Hall, than John Romero, than Adrian Carmack and now John Carmack... Looks like all founding member of id are gone :(

The Times they are a Changin' :D

tom hall was a goody-two-shoes-kiddy-game programmer.

unfortunately, as much as romero made himself everyone's bitch over at ionstorm, think he was the creative genious at that company and was/is missed the most.

If theres someone that can make this happen its Carmack, im happy he has found a new passion, 3d engines and rocket launchers arent so cool anymore :p but a proper vr headset? YAY

i wonder if u can wear a google glass in this

Augmented virtuality?

he looks happy, thats good.

tru, full happy look on his face.

he always looks happy, he has a great job and loves what he is doing ... whatever he is doing

Is that the guy who invented 3D? Guess this will be big as well then, or at least open up the possibility of something big.

Was about to say, Carmack looked like he wanted to take a dive. Didnt know what he was working on until I went to his employer. It feels like that Carmack has the liberity to work on what he likes best, I am happy for him.

He is always saying that developing new technologies is more fun for him than making games. I bet, he is very happy with the things going on like that :).

<3 C A R M A C K
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True visionary and pioneer.

PMX crew: the time to strike is nigh

I thought they are already on strike from 2008...

Drexciyian?

carmack is too old and cant let go

he needs to accept that if he legitimately cares about the video game industry advancing, he should get tenure at a school with an established program for video game development and develop the next generation of game devs - not a modern day 'virtual boy'

Or he likes persuing projects that he has an interest in...

so he can teach the basics to neckbeards obsessed with mincecraft and league of legends?

he's using his time advancing video game technology instead of sitting around with nothing to do while id scrambles to make doom4 less shit.

Seriously, out of all the jobs on the planet where you can actually get too old to do them, you picked programming.

As long as his brain works and he doesn't get Altsheimer's, he can code until he dies.

brrr that pic ,carmac look like he wanna start his keynote :D horror pic !!!

carmack himself said 1-2 years ago that rage engine is the last engine they'll start from scratch over at id, as in the tech is already up there and it's as far as it goes when it comes to graphics.

so yeah, this ain't surprising that he found himself a new and undiscovered field to dabble in and push the limits, as he has once done with pc gaming.

only thing that i'm really sad about is id probably becoming a studio that just makes tech demos instead of real games & licences out it's engine(s) (like epic). also, without carmack there's a high probability we'll never see rage/idtech5 source :(

does you seeing the source for such a clusterfuck of technology correctness before usability REALLY hurt you much?

It sounds like most of it was probably done very cleanly as is the norm at id. The only problem is the band-aid stuff thrown into in to make Rage 60fps on consoles.

why is the band-aid to make it 60fps console specific you think? they always had a fps limit, 60fps in doom 3 and rage is a decision made from what screen hz on almost every lcd today afaik.

Carmack is more interested in code correctness and pushing real limits(not crysis unoptimized limits) etc. yeah, what i mean by clusterfuck if the megatexture, no one in the near future in the community will have a 1petabyte rendering farm for that, which is why not getting the source is not that big a loss. I don't think core things are done that much different from idtech4 anyway. The feel is pretty much the same as in doom 3.

No as far as the code is concerned its not console specific. But they had to wreck the clean code so that it would run well on consoles. The engine basically attempts to maintain 60fps regardless of what is going on. Stuff needed to be changed from what would've worked on the PC version to allow the consoles to maintain that with their antique hardware.

Doom 3 doesn't even use the same engine (even bfg edition which backported stuff from idtech 5) and that FPS limit was removed in a patch for Quake 4 although I'm not sure about Doom 3.

come on, they didn't
"have to wreck the clean code to make it run on console" - "..antique hardware"

pc master race bs. Ofc they had to tailor it specifically to the hardware.

Read it somewhere. If i find the source again I'll post it here.

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/...ulus_rift/

He's not leaving id.

$2m raised on kickstarter, they should look like

http://image.dhgate.com/albu_227255884_00-1.0...lasses.jpg

you cannot see sunglasses frames if you press them against your face well

google glass, is that without a decent smart phone cpu in, you the mercury head movement sensors

http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA1Lz...-Thumb.jpg

Google glass just looks so goofy. I can only imagine when they are widely released, the 30 something Bluetooth crowd will flock to these.

And proceed to walk under busses while checking their messages.

i was talking about the oakleys

http://image.dhgate.com/albu_227255884_00-1.0...lasses.jpg

LED screens are 1000s of LED, the screen can be made to a custom shape like the lens on sunglasses

the screen maker would cry about a resolution size, so you tell them to shut up and just make the screen

carmack can do his thing and make the fisheye find of filter you have todo for curved screens to keep the image in perportion and cater for your peripheral vision

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/200...isheye.jpg

http://fisheyephotography.files.wordpress.com...oramic.jpg

using modern tech, and making the headset modern and stylish is the only way they could make money on them without the next generation consoles just chucking a "VR" headset together

ands whats the game this geezer iz playin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQBqT54CcAAUuVB.jpg:large

playboy mansion n shit

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oldskool VR will never work and be big, its all about the single screen and mashed up POV rendered view carmack can whip together the SDK for in a month or 2

but at what cost?

none, if hes the CTO to help develope oculus and the future of VR

old and new games, add the camera POV sdk class/library to render the images needed for the single screen headset, the hud gets layered on the rendered images as normal

they would be easier and less retarded to wear in army and plane and NASA training simulations too

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