damn, you made this thread faster. GOD DAMN YOU!

but this new website is cool.

reflex > all
for me every update is something new, good and promising instead of random crap.

reflex > all

I'm excited for all the new stuff on some level

Reflex - looks pretty, air control can be fun, looks fast

Reborn - looks like it will have something for everyone, 2GDs contacts might help the games popularity

Nex - weapons look super fun, will have proper matchmaking

Telos - tons of new interesting stuff, probably the most unique and different new game

Rekt - no idea but its an arena fps and its supposed to be in the later stages of development (unlike pretty much all the others)

Freefall - I like sliding in tribes, I think I will like it more in an arena fps

UT4 - should have lots of players, fun guns

Doom 4 - made by a big company, id are probably doing everything to not make the mistake they made with doom 3 so maybe that will be good for this game

QL2.0 - its quake

New fast paced shooters = happiness

every of these games could die one month after release. ;d

only one will be a bit more popular.

QL2.0. - imo it will never happen ;p especially if Doom will be shit.

but. I just know that im gonna love reflex engine.

Thats the problem if there is no marketing.

you forgot about little more things that could happen:
- no money
- release of unfinished game
- not fun to play at all

Nex is Unity engine and im really afraid about it.
Reflex looks solid for me.

also UT can waste their biggest chance.

they need kickstarter / steam greenlight badly.

Whats wrong with Unity?

nothing really wrong but developers seems to be very lazy with this engine. usually unity+early access+gief money = shit


And I dislike its feeling, personally.

Good unity game? Is such a thing even possible?

Rust, pretty cool game.

endless space ;]

Rust is minecraft, dayz, garymod, walking simulator(???)
Endless space is in space (deal braker) :D

yeah,
But arena shooter & unity? -> I have a bad feelings about it, Luke.

yeah,
But arena shooter? Not shure... :)))

Quake 5: Modern Warfare as moba game.

Made by Blizzard

QL 2.0 has nothing to do with DooM. Few guys doing their job trying push QL from web experiment into proper(ish) game : ))))

you know that it is possible that there is no QL2.0. team?...

SinkError is all we need OpieOP

is syncerror even developer?

sync is love
sync is life

I agree with this! I am excited for alot of the new fast paced shooters, I will try them all for sure.

Telos looks awesome!

Is QL 2.0 even a thing? id keeps failing at delivering a good quake 3 experience.

After playing the reborn, and reflex pre-alphas, reflex is meaningfully further ahead, and have a more certain design direction. It feels nice, and tight.

I'm jelly that you got in so early but im glad to hear the game feels good

its gonna be a while before we can really get an idea of how good any of these games will be but theres so many that I'll surely enjoy a few of them

It's feels super nice so far :D

major this for the greater good.

A news "written" this way would never be majored

If i rewrite it well can i get it majored?

read the posting guide

You stole me this one ! :-)

This looks really nice. I'm impressed, was very sceptical of reflex at first but it seems to come along nicely.

looks great!

120fps engine while we already have 144hz 1080p LCDs? Not impressive at all :(
should be 200 at least...

and minorities of minorities using it.

The framerate isn't locked so you can run it at 200fps if your computer can take it. The game currently runs at around 600fps uncapped on my PC.

But 120fps is our target framerate -- most developers would consider 30fps to be good enough for a game.

thats nice to hear. I suggest you specify this near 120fps target mention.

Will it feature frame rate independent movement similar to CPM? And won't a player with high FPS have the upper hand?

what sort of pc specs are you getting 600 fps with?

i7 + Titan. The Titan is the more important bit.

what a bad way to do a website. have to wait 30s on 10 mbit adsl for your site content to load. guess not only game will be shit, but site as well.

fix ur wooden internet, 10 mbit barbarian.

how's the weather in 2004?

1994*

adsl

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wat are you doing, stahp

Our web server is a little unhappy at the moment, hoping to fix it up a bit tonight.

Why are people looking forward to this? It already exists in Quake 3 with so few players, which is the ultimate fate of Reflex. Mind boggling.

ask same question to any new arena shooter project.

at least matchmaking is promised.

Why would people play DotA 2 when they can play DotA 1, or LoL, or HoN... It already exists with so few players, which is the ultimate fate of DotA 2. Mind boggling.

Why do people play SC2? There is already SC1, WC1, WC2, WC3... It already exists with so few players, which is the ultimate fate of SC2. Mind boggling.

Why people play Mario, those nintendo scum have released the same thing... It already exists with so few players, which is the ultimate fate of Mario. Mind boggling.

Raged cpma player detected.

still there is almost none really inovatie games.

really, wish any of these games luck, because arena fps games are pretty dead now...

u just jellus cpm players are getting a sexy new game while you are getting sold "new" 10 year old dreamcast maps that have been free to get foooooor 10 years. lol

Rage? Just making it clear that if everyone thought like you did that there wouldn't even be a "video game" industry.

You were unable to correctly interpret what I wrote, which shouldn't have been hard. It was really blunt. Regardless, get back to me when you're playing Reflex on the same Quake maps with the same Quake movement using the same Quake weapons against the same, tiny niche encompassing cpm.

Reading Comprehension: 0
Imagination: 0

here here

why do you whine about nothing? tiny niche cpm? and what is QL ? huge populated? It got 50-100 players more? wow. so cool. Even if QL got 10 times more players, its still a niche.

and who told you such things about reflex? I heard something about new maps, also that weapons are only concept and will be different, maybe core weapons will stay.

And even now I see Reflex will be more beautifull.

all quake games has fine gameplay. The thing is all of them got a little playerbase. New concept of the game will not change it. Rather matchmaking and marketing can help with it.

imo it will be miracle if any of these new games will be popular. imo most of them will fail.

but blaming for trying? so bad...

I can tell you want to believe it is the next game for you. It may be and that's fine. You could also play the same thing right now in Quake 3 with the very same people that are going to play Reflex. What is going to change? A map editor. A few minor tweaks. Matchmaking that won't help anything because I guarantee you Reflex will struggle to pull triple digits a month or so after release, if it releases. All the luck in the world to the developer/s and cpm playerbase, but I just can't see it happening. I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

why do ql-zealots always post in cpm/reflex threads?
worry about your own "dead" game. ty

I can write exactly the same post for Reborn, Nex, UT and anything. Don't you see it? They got the same problem.

any of these games need to attract far more people than just quake community in other way it will be dead.

better to have a hope than nothing.

No, it's not the same at all. Reborn and Nex are not going to be Quake/UT remakes and UT4 is a big name sequel. Reflex is going to be a Quake 3 CPMA clone. I'm done talking about it, being negative in light of something a few hold hopeful. Best of luck to newborn.

Than you are more optimistic than me.

imo it will be miracle if any of these games will be popular.

It won't work the same way DOTA or SC :F
0/10

Well I think the argument is something to the effect of "if x already exists, why create y?" Which is silly, because that can be said for a large majority of the video-game market.

yes and no :)

That's not how propositions works :D

Releasing SC2 and DOTA2 had sense.
Redoing ded geme is big unknown.

DotA was collapsing before Valve picked it up

I didn't know it even exist. Chinese got bored? Too much maphacking? Ghetto interface? Icefrog got grill?

Heil Gaben o/

Coming from someone who loves to play CPM:

* Decent map editor that anyone can use.

* Matchmaking (hopefully they get the playerbase big enough to make it work right, but whatever).

* Quake 3 looks like shit these days. I don't care about that and neither do any of the other 50 or so people left on Earth who still play it, but there's one reason why it has no hope of coming back to popularity without a good, modern remake.

* Things aren't set in stone yet, but this isn't a pure straight CPM copy. They're dropping instant weapon switch for one. I'm sure other things will end up differentiating it as well. Hopefully they'll fix the spawn system that's been retarded in CPM for years (just my opinion I guess, but I think it should be 100% random considering how fast CPM is and how small most of the maps are).

They're dropping instant weapon switch? First I've heard of this, can someone confirm?

If true, deal breaker for me. Watch any cpm frag movie and realize how much would be lost without it.

alpha-reflex has a slower weapon switch.

newborn replied to me a week ago and made it seem like they were likely going back to instant. hopefully they do because its bluriful to see some of the combos that can be pulled off.

note to newborn: perfect the weapons and instant switch will never be an issue.

I'm not going to let combos get broken ;)

They've said that it will be fast but not instant. That was a few weeks ago that I read though, surely these things are subject to change. Who knows, really. The only reason I mentioned it at all was to point out that they're trying to make a game *like* cpm, not just a polished up cpm.

Everything is currently subject to change -- playtesting hasn't started ;)

Oh hey there. Lemme get in on that playtesting when it does start. I'll give you guys moneyz for kickstarter or whatever. I'm really interested in this project.

The models look pretty cool. Looking forward to seeing more.

Thought i went into Warsow 1.51 update thread watched the movie felt like warsow, then people wrote about reflex all over the comments, i was like what?

found this video today
phuck, so many memories

#powerofspeed #sillymusic

After this movie i started trixing back in the days.

yep
it was the first popular cpma movie(iirc)
came out before power of speed even

more movies to be found here: http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=599585

One of my favorite movies I am nostalgic about (got me into Immortal :D) and this:

any idea what required specs will be? can i play this on my laptop that can just about get 125fps in q3?

: DDDD

I'm down for what brings players in. We have solid games, it's the player base that's the problem.

so it doesn't matter how great reflex or nex or reborn is. if they pull no new player base, we're in the same position that we were in before. we just have a few more cakes at a empty birthday party.

the new UT might suck but it has a 100x better chance at bringing players into twitch shooters than anything I've seen. The new DOOM can do that too since it's a big name

god just give us a game that gives us a player base. please.

exactly, thats why very important will be who will hit kickstarter first.

mm get dat $$$

btw. imo UT has very high risk to fail.

sUT team considering to include sprint in their game lol :D

Just the fact that it is made by epic and is an official UT game means it is much less at risk than many of the other new games.

Even if its shit the new UT game has hundreds of thousands of people following it and its announcement spawned articles in all major pc gaming sites. Compare that to the public awareness of something like Reflex.

Reflex will be way better I have no doubt about that, but its at a far higher risk of failure than UT4, Doom or QL2.0/Q5 purely because of marketing and brand recognition.

Its still at risk of failure of course, but far less so than Reflex, Nex, Rekt, Telos or any of the others.

Reborn is somewhere in the middle.

I aggree but if UT4 gameplay will be shit or game will be broken on release than even with thousends of people playing it, it will die quickly ;)

Yeah its no doubt still at risk, any game is.

Its just a shame that games like UT4 have such an advantage when many indie titles looks so much better but so few people may ever hear of them

I don't know how much the brand recognition is worth anymore in shooter games.
It's probably just a question of who has money to promote their product.

The reason so many people know about UT4 is because its a new UT game which is a series that already has tons of fans.

Nobody knows about reflex because reflex has no recognition yet. If it was a sequel to a wildly popular game then thousands of people would know about it without a dime being spent on marketing.

Sure the ability to market will help the games out in the later stages and the one with the most money to do that will be at an advantage, but brand recognition is why hundreds of thousands of people know about UT4 right now and why so few people know about the indie titles.

The same would be true of a Quake 5 and is true of Doom 4. People have been following rumours of their possible development for years and the moment something is announced, even if its just a tweet that doesnt cost ID a dime, the situation would be the same as UT4 with everyone clammering for information, articles in pc gamer and all that stuff all because people know and recognize ID software and the Quake franchise.

Brand recognition and marketing are both important

they should call it:

Reflex: Challange Promode Arena
or
Reflex: earthQuakes :P
or
Reflex: Prounreal Quake

Quakeflex: Challenge DoomMode Tournament

ultimate brand recognition

haha ;d

btw. imo:
Reflex: Play with skill / kill with skill
seriously

bulletstorm great marketing example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_msAKWdOs
love that

DotA2: Play with your dick

*yawns* talking to me?

This is just brilliant, picking up the ball from PMX, full support!

still skeptical lol

Is there IRC channel that we can trololol?

#reflex on irc.quakenet.org B)