There is only one Emperor of the Terran, SlayerS_'BoxeR'

Oh and in case you missed it, the semi finals and finals will be running for two days each.

how come you always post a comment before anyone else does it ?

F5 F5 F5

bah :( and i thought it was black v00d00 magic

boxer definately. fatal1ty is a tool.

?

??? what ?

Asian countries are wack, in Japan they have arcade games where you use a whip and whip buttocks in the right way and you get a nice score, in Korea they have televised Starcraft.

Boxer had it easy getting all that exposure from a gamecrazy people. Fatal1ty did it all by himself and amazed people when he said he was gaming for a living.

Fatal1ty it is.

I comment after I have voted, since I am posting this together with raccoon I get to vote first, usually :)

so no cheating then ?

No.. just taking advantage of his position :)

Now if only his comments would have an effect on the lemmings too.

damn...i knew he wasn't a part of Schroet Kommando !

it is a bit annoying to see his msg first every post, and call me strange but i find his first posts always sounding like 'vote this guy or you're dumb' :)

Aye, "vote this guy or you're dumb" equals to "There is only one Emperor of the Terran, SlayerS_'BoxeR'"

It's SlayerS_`BoxeR`, you fiend!

Starcraft has italics? :)

No... but he uses ` instead of '.

You cannot use ` in an account name on battlenet.

Yes you can.

If you made the account roughly 3 years ago.

Which Boxer did.

( :

it doesnt equal, i didnt said that .. it sounds like it.

Well if not then it's a totally irrelevant comment in the context of voting between a starcraft player and an fps player =]

I am not trying to persuade anyone, I merely told people who I voted for :)

I agree, but I have already said that earlier :D

The problem could be solved if he would just wait a bit with posting his comment, but he is reluctant to do that. I wonder why.

Not true! I voted when it was still a draft! PWNED!

Cheater :)

Please don't cast your vote as #1 in the final, I'm afraid it'll encourage people who're like 50/50. Could it be possible that comments were being removed completely in the final, and added again after the final? :)

Not sure how that comment could persuade anyone :)

Of course, anyone is allowed to comment and attempt to persuade the rest. I know some people who have been so undecided so they check the comments to see if anyone brings up any valid points.

your's wouldn't be the most argumentative of points though :f

well, I just thought your influence (as an inventer of this contest) actually could persuade some people, but nevermind, I'm only babbling... again. Hey, look at the bright side of it: I learned a new word today, "persuade " ;)

because god forbid anyone is persuaded by a good argument!

Indeed, that would ridicule the whole poll.

Who is really bothered which idiots vote for though, it's not like the poll affects reality and makes that person officially a better gamer than the other :D

yeah, I pretty much came to this conclusion too ;)

Agreed.

Boxer. His achievements are much greater. I enjoy playing Fatality's games - ut and q3 - still have to admit Boxer's supremacy.

Boxer.

a fat box

Boxer.

Why me?

Hey, you have fanbois!

Someone really should have plussed ram0n.

Happy?

I feel so used...

/me want more [+] :\

I want a [-] as I would feel much more inclined to use that one instead.

LOL you ask that after all this time on ESR, hahaha. The lady doth protest too much.

Remember you were one of those who started :(.

;]

boxer sells candy, fat doesn't. although fatcandy doesn't sound too good :<

hehe You're funny ;)

i probably fucked more girls than both of them.



/me wins contest

Hi, Rocco.

no, you win hiv.

LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL. + for you mate!

heh - news of the korean gamer-groupie scene hasn't travelled too far yet then :)

Yet you stop dating them, when you see them visit the potty. >:)

Sorry, I just have too.

lmao

Propably men too...

You're soo cool man, wanna be like you. Any tip?

boxer

Fatal because boxer win 8))

now that makes sense.

You sir are a genius.

BoxeR beacuse of these words :

"Voting against him just because you haven't heard of him until today, or because he doesn't play Quake, would be an admission that skill or influence on the world of gaming is being ignored."
Well what more can i say ? :]

GL

Fat.

Polosatiy beat Mr. PacMan. April fools?

same here

......... fuck pacman fds

Polos beats Tresh - The biggest LOL I have ever seen.

That's when the poll got boring.

This one is boring, I'm waiting for next round:
Polo vs Potter - Battle of the Fanboys

potter? lol :>

GO HARRY...

I know boxer since the first WCG where he eliminated SK.Insomnia on the quarterfinal I think ...... He's really a PRO...so voted for him :-)

fata would get my vote against anyone else... gogo boxer :D

Tough one. Fatal1ty for western gaming, BoxeR for eastern. I'll give my meager support to Fatal1ty, BoxeR will win it anyway, with my blessings, at that.

this is not about east and west :>

Jawohl herr oberstkommander. o>

I can use whatever argumentation I want.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you sounded like a depressed 14-year old girl sometimes :)

But then again, you do know better.

:)

You wouldn't be far off. :x

tt

It isn't about East and West. It's about niggers and bitches, power and money, riders and punks.

Which side are you on?

fat

Fatal1ty - it is the example of progaming: quake, unreal tournament, alien vs predator, counter-strike. And what can you say about Boxer? StarCraft? Lim is the imperor of choko pies =)))

sc progaming is far more bigger than any other game will be in 5-10 years.

playing different games, and, possibly, being on the very top a very short period of time (avp lol, ut2003 before the level really became consistent, and of course cs... where he proofed nothing except he still can play as many hours a day as he want, he will never reach the top ; there is only q3 where he has dominated for a very long period, before realizing he wouldn't be the best anymore). sure, u can talk about him as a programer, a very successful one. but what's your point when u're comparing him to boxer and his only-one-game-dedication ? fatality is playing for money, which is why he is constantly switching from a game to another, imo. boxer probably earns more money than him tho... boxer represents (to me at least) what programing is nowadays, at its highest level. /too lazy to write more to develop my point

most ridicolous comment of the week award
(honorably given due to the use of the words "aliens versus predator" related to fatalitys gaming carrer)
congrats

boxers starcraft career is many times better then all of fats attempts at all of those games, put together.

Hm, fucking dreams, I thought && think Boxer is a legend of progaming.

He won 12 from 18 biggest Starcraft tournaments.

OFF topic
Is it true that Boxer is in army now?

> Is it true that Boxer is in army now?

Heard that too.

The Korean military recruited him after reading about his insane ghost-lockdown micro skills.

Pretty handy fellow to have around if he can manage to disable 14 battleships in less than a second, you know?

he'll stay for three more years, he signed up for university, so he can delay it until he's 27.

boxer is more of a pro gamer than fat tho imo. i vote boxer

Fatal1ty
respect

boxer is only big in starcraft and korea..
fat is known for owning many games and is well known in lots of country's

so fat

I am willing to bet that more people are in BoxeRs fanclub alone than the amount of people who know who Fatalonety is.

I seriously doubt that.

Though the point is, Boxer is more popular than fat. I have to admit, fat does not have the state of an sportsman like Micheal Jordan has in the USA. and from what I've heared that is like how popular Boxers is in Korea.

You seriously doubt that the amount of people who knows who Fatal1ty is, is less than half a million?

No thats not the point, his profile states that his fanclub has 100,000 members, and you said you're willing to bet that more people are in Boxers fanclub than the amount of people who know Fatalaty.

Now i doubt that less than 100 000 people know him. cmon even my cs playing friends know him.

His fanclub has currently about 450,000 members.

I dont know.

hes big for starcraft and korea around the world.

because of what he did to starcraft and what he did to korea.

shut up.

this one is hard :'(

question, (I'm not putting fat over boxer here, im just corious)

does Boxer sell t-shirts, mouspads or anything with his name on it ?

does Boxer have his own Company ? Does he have a homepage ?

Again I'm not putting fat over boxer, I just want to know.

well, he is a superstar over there. He has been in at least one movie, and they sell whatever they can put his name on.

As for homepage, he'll have to settle with his fanclub ;)

dominating starcraft scene for so long is much greater than any of fat's accomplishments. and boxer is an idol in korea, his face is on a chocolate candy, he has his own dvd, bla bla bla...

U schould read the boxers profile, provided by the contest organizers :)
...and about ur questions...
...i think u r searching for the greatest businessman, not a pro-gamer! ;)
...my choice - boxer!

well read my comment #32

I think he has his own brand(I think it was him) and set of toys and alot of that stuff. He is truly amazingly HUGE in Korea, and so very fucking good at BW :)

The Boxer Candy-bar


The Boxer 3-disc DVD

ok ok *crouching* :)

lol candy :)

ofcourse when i was in korea (wcg 2k3) my friends bought his mouses - and they got his authograph - omg i touch hand boxer too \o/ :)
i think mouses r more important than only mousepads or closes :X

Boxer has his face and autograph on one of the most popular pro gaming KTec mice models.

He also wrote a book.

yeah and he CRIED ON TV LOL WHAT A FAG

After winning several thousand dollars... What a wuss.

yes yes yes yes and yes.

that, plus hes more of a sports superstar.

fat is famous, for a gamer.

lim is famous, period.

easy easy

i voted for fat because i clicked on the little circle next to his name.

:)

the only gamer that could be greater than boxer already left the competition (obviously thresh). boxer vs anyone = boxer.

I'm friends with John, and I respect very much what he does for the community.

Still, BoxeR is king of professional gaming. If you don't know who he is, you know nothing of how gaming works. In Korea, professional gaming is a reality, not a pipe dream. Instead of buying mousepads, you buy clothing, hats, merchandise, you go to arenas to watch them play. You see them on TV, and people actually watch and follow the competitions.

In short: who doesn't know who Mark McGwire is? If you ask that question in the USA, almost anyone can tell you what he's done and who he is. If you go to Korea and you ask who SlayerS_BoxeR is, the reaction will be the exact same. BoxeR is, in every sense of the word, a professional.

In no way could almost anyone who is on this site, pro-gamer or not, go to Korea and become a professional. People like BoxeR put in 8+ hours a day playing the same game, for 5 or more years in a row now. How many of you can do that? Most people insult Fatal1ty because he plays that amount a month before a tournament. What if he did it every day?

What if every day players logged in at 9 AM and played Quake 3 until 5 PM? What if they got paid to do it every single day?

It would be their job. Nothing the USA or any other country in the world offers in gaming can come close to comparison with what Korea has to offer.

There are 100,000 people in BoxeR's fanclub, there are probably under 100,000 people who have even heard of Fatal1ty, much less understand what he does and respect him enough to be in a "fan club".

As much as I respect Johnathan and what he has done, and as much as I consider him one of the best gamers in the USA and by far the most productive player in "professional gaming" in the USA, there is no comparison. BoxeR is the greatest gamer of all time.

OMFG ! a friend of JOHN"FATALITY"WANDEL u sir have no idea how much i envy you

dont read : no sarcasm !

Batman? Batman you say? Coming for you? HOO HOO HOO

I'm COUNTING on it!

sadistic fuckfag :(

couldn't even dream to say that better! ^^

only a legend like thresh could compete with boxer in this voting competition. since he left (beat by polos lol), if boxer doesn't win this VERY EASILY, that'll be nothing but unfare.

arent you tired of whining yet fanboi? :)

true.... only Thresh could do something about BoxeR.

Who the hell Mark McGwire, i never heard of this dude.

He actually did write "if you ask that question in the USA", and there I'm sure most know about him.
I think he's one of the most successful in the game with rules I don't understand, but it looks a little like cricket but has lots more groin scratching and tobacco chewing. :-)

Guess he's like a Beckenbauer or something.

By the way, 100,000 was a figure broodwar.com posted up like 2 years ago when they compared BoxeR with Shinhwa (kpop boy band)

If you go to his fan club (http://daum.cafe.net/yohwanfan) he currently has 451984, and still rising.

450k ???? That's amazing to say the least.

i agree. korea has set the standard for what pro gaming can be, and boxer is the undisputed king of pro-gaming there. He's definitely the greatest gamer of all time in my opinion.

That's what YOU think.

Yes, and I'm right. Your opinion may be different, but if it is, it's just wrong.

I just watched an avi movie from a showgame between Boxer and Yellow. They were playing outside, in special-made clothes, and the herd of people in the audience, gah looked almost like a big fucking concert...

Anyway, Boxer.

do u have a link ? :)

*edit* : plz ^^a

Clickeh. (It's not exactly that match but you'll get the point anyway)

i know that site, i would just like to watch "that" particular video (vod or whatver) he is talking about :p thx anyway

Ah, ok. I'll just leave it there for those who don't know what Korean pro-gaming looks like then;)

ok, i just downloaded SlayerS_`BoxeR` vs [ReD]NaDa game 1new addition and i wish i knew korean :(

somebody sub this! :P

btw: boxer is the one in black right? :P

LOL, the top banner is "bride.ru". Someone order me a russian mail order bride =D

could u pls provide us with a link to that vod file ? :)

Korea. Of course.

Eventhough im a quaker, my money is full on boxer here!
This is for greatest gamer ever! :>

boXer

what books did boxer write?

"How I won Greatest Gamer poll on ESR"

=) yea

He wrote a best seller called "Dropship", which is about, dropships,. but also about his life.

I'm sure there's some intrinsic connection there.

But I'm just too damned tired to care about what it is.

polos will beat boxer if it continues with those russians thinking it's a nation contest

now maybe I will be quoted again in 50sQuiff's next pile of crap...er I mean column

probably u r wright :(
I like Russia and Polosatiy but i've voted for thresh and Mr. Pacman, because they r legends! Well this time i'll vote for him because i think that Potti can not be compared to Thresh or Pacman imo.

Boxer. Pac-man should still be in. GitzZz should still be in. IMFO. What a farse.

aye to that

I never was anything else than a quaker, thats why it's clearly boxer for me.

definitely boxer.

i saw serveral games of BoxeR and imho he's the greatest gamer of alltime. He created a lot of tactics and his genius in BW is nearly untoppable.

BoxeR for ESR Crown!

this is sick
a new player who is only good at one game should win against fatal1ty, a multiple CPL tournament winner over many years with an own brand and overall just GREAT gamer?
well, good job!

Yeah... he's so "new".

new gamer lol...

btw, hes newer than fat and made like 3x more money than fat did so far. and won more competitions either, more important than CPLs in the starcraft scene.

Aprils fools day was yesterday.

Comment #76 @ 23:59 GMT, 1 Apr 2004

I love people who don't know about timezones :)

Selflove is a beautiful thing :)

i cant argue, boxer is pretty new and is only "okay" at starcraft.

your gaming knowledge tops mine.

touche.

I'm a huge Fatal1ty fan, but I've been to Korea. I've met Boxer (albeit briefly), I've seen what he's done, and I've seen the throngs of schoolgirls who swamp him for even the chance of an autograph.

And Korean Schoolgirls > *.*

Fat comes in second overall in my book, but in this particular matchup, I have to go with Boxer.

Korean schoolgirls... aww... I knew I stuck with the wrong game!

Quake is always the wrong game.

Nahh... it just depends on what context you put it in...

eeew
okay
now thats an argument!

this whole poll is already over... the only thing that could save it, was if the russians didn't bother registering with esr. Sadly I was mistaken, as the polos vs pacman vote proved :/

Annoying whimpering...

Annoying lemming.

SK fanboys vs Russia - NEXT!

:P

And what about russian SC fans? :)

:)

It's honor to Fatality to be knoked out by Boxer HIMSELF!!

I doubt Thresh and Mr PacMan can say the same about their honour

I can't say I'm too familiar witch Starcraft, or the Starcraft scene, but voting for Boxer just because he's 'bigger' and more popular is silly. Boxer doesn't have his own brand, or schoolgirls chasing him, just because of his skill. It is the game of Starcraft itself that is so popular. I sincerely doubt Boxer would enjoy popularity of this kind, if Starcraft had been as popular as, for instance, Quake 3 or Counter-Strike.
If you discard Fatal1ty just because he has become succesful in other games, rather than Starcraft, it is my opinion that you haven't thought through your decisions well.

But since Starcraft like you say is a bigger game its also much harder to reach the top. Starcraft pros need to play 8h a day to keep in shape. To dominate the scene like Boxer did earlier you need alot of skills and determination. Fatality is propebly the largest e-sports icon for the US and europe but the biggest gamer in the world in Boxer.

yea owning in starcraft is so much harder than owning in quake, cs, etc.... imo. the fact that korea is one of the most wired (in terms of hi-speed internet) countries in the world and is densely packed with thousands of gamers in a given city encourages an extremely competitive environment. A testament to this competitiveness is the fact that famous "pro-gamers" like elky, grrr, etc... are only considered "average" compared to their korean counterparts. and the fact that boxer is consistently considered the greatest gamer there makes his accomplishments more impressive

Actually, Boxer does have his own brand (or at least, a RANGE of products he endorses), and quite literally hordes of schoolgirls chasing him. The size of the Starcraft scene only makes his achievements even more staggering - do you have any idea how cut-throat the RTS competition is in Korea?

You know, I am the best at this pong game I myself made. Since I own it completely I should be the greatest gamer of all time, yes?

You're not making sense. Stick to the point.

He is sticking to it. You're arguing that size of community doesn't relate to skill needed to completely own that community up. <- Clearly bullshit.

SC is the largest community in the world. It's logical that BoxeR is probably the most skilled player overall.

Is there actually a competitive Starcraft scene in Europe?
I never see any news about it, and I haven't seen the game on any big events.

There is, but as you say it's not very big and certainly not very public. I know a lot of multi-gaming clans still retain SC squads, but the golden age of it's really gone here - everyone's moved over to WC3.

I can't say I'm too familiar witch Starcraft, or the Starcraft scene, but voting for Boxer just because he's 'bigger' and more popular is silly. Boxer doesn't have his own brand, or schoolgirls chasing him, just because of his skill. It is the game of Starcraft itself that is so popular. I sincerely doubt Boxer would enjoy popularity of this kind, if Starcraft had been as popular as, for instance, Quake 3 or Counter-Strike.
If you discard Fatal1ty just because he has become succesful in other games, rather than Starcraft, it is my opinion that you haven't thought through your decisions well.

boxer has his own brand, boxer has schoolgirls chasing him, boxer made starcraft a new game.

75% of the vote against boxer will be by people who aren't "too familar" with starcraft.

now, that's silly.

yes he does have girls chasing him ive seen the videos him coming out of the gaming stadium. ther are like thousand people going down greeting him and giving him presents. and he has his own brand name on many things. i don think fatality can top that. andi think your a ignorant fool who dosnt know what his talking about

ya, boxer has cool manner and pretty well-known with that as well as his achievments while fat sometimes acts like an ass.
and to acid-ya, he doesn't sell mouse pad or stuffs like that but he's the owner of two big net-cafes in/near seoul alaik.

boxer isn't exactly well mannered, but that doesn't really effect how good a gamer he is.

BoxeR is the obvious choice. :o

SlayerS_'BoxeR'

so speaking of starcraft...
is there ever gonna be a starcraft 2?
oh yea i voted for boxer..

FUSE|Sa1Nt chose: BoxeR ... definitely a living legend....

I'm not a very big fan of boxer, but I must say anyone that says vote Fat simply because he's "dominated" more games is very wrong.

Fat "dominated" so many games because he kept moving on when he couldn't stay on top anymore. Its easy to dominate at a game that just came out, when everyone else is just learning the game and the competition is weak, all you have to do is practice like mad for a few weeks, and voila ownership. Then just move on after the competition gets tough. Its not hard at all to own at a new game, you just need time and practice like you have no life.

Hvc, you say that Boxer dominating at one popular game doesn't make him better than Fat who dominated at several less popular games where the competition was weaker, then what does? Tell me, I'm sure I can give myself the world title of hundreds of totally unknown games that no one else has even heard of. I'm sure that anyone else at this forum could too. Would that make them better than boxer or fat? Obviously not, greatest means the most people influenced, and the most money made. The point is quality, not quantity.

Whereas boxer has stayed at the very top since the beginning, and trust me the only game that can even come CLOSE to the competition level of starcraft in Korea is counterstrike.

Some of you don't seem to understand, Fat's selling of mousepads and t-shirts(on his site) is absolutely nothing compared to the magnitude of boxer's influence. He is in commericals, movies, sponsored, has his own candybars, and is on Tv ALOT - yeah fat's been on tv once, on MTV, compared to Boxer's hundred times?

"Obviously not, greatest means the most people influenced, and the most money made. The point is quality, not quantity."

I do not agree with that quote in any way shape or form; however everything else you said is true. I voted for boxer because I've seen his demos, I've played RTS games, and I know enough to know that what I'm watching him do is a far greater achievement than anything fatality has ever done.

The only person who could compare to boxer would have been thresh. At that point it would have been a question of voting for Boxer because he's dominant in the much more competitive modern era of gaming, or for Thresh in having successfully played in the upper echelons of both FPS and RTS games.

btw, that candybar has been around for more than 10 years in korea means it's not boxer's. The photo on the cover of the bar was an ad for an event like "win a 3days camping with boxer"
to ppl that asked me in imsg about how much he earns exactly -
his yearly salary from his sponsor company is somewher around 140k USD - is just his pure *fixed* salary... goes up as he shows up on commercial ads, wins a league etc...
also was told his net-cafes are mostly full 24/7 believe or not.
again, this is just an answer for those who asked, has nothing to do with his poll. :)

The one thing that stuns me about boxer is, there are few huge major professional SC leagues in korea which you can watch from TV. boxer always shows up there on every single season even if he loses early, means he always passes the cut-off.... myself have a pro-SC player in clan(my clan is a quake clan btw heh) so have significantly better chance to get accurate informations about korean pro-SC scene...
so I know how hard to pass the cut-off, like 100 kids competing in tournament and only 16 or less ppl can go up to broadcasted games. and he've been showing up more than 3years now.....

Blatantly Boxer. He's everything Fatal1ty wishes he could be.

hey. hey.

you're right.

Obviously, I mean fat's just a scrub who still is forced to play UMS maps since he gets owned 1on1 all the time... rolleyes.

More in the sense that he's truly a pro gamer with 'real' endorsements, not some bullshit mouse/keyboard/mat thing.

these 2 should have met in finals.

Agreed.

Polos or Potti #2? No... Was clearly designed with Thresh in mind, since BoxeR vs. Thresh would have been an ideal final for all you Quakers...

Come on...
If you get girls for playing a computer game then You're a pro... Go Boxer!

BOXER!!!!122 HAVE MY BABIES!!!!1

fat

Even though is very tough, but my vote goes to Fatal1ty.

i can not fuckin believe pacman lost to polos

ridiculous

Wrong thread?

kill yrself there is another reality

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they are everywhere !

get a life

I would be curious to see the registration stats of ESR since that poll has started, and especially on the days polosatiy was involved in a vote...must be a laugh

They will have to do a major cleaning in the database once it's over with all those unused accounts

I did, it was actually quite funny :)
About 4 pages of signups on the same day, and there was this really cool pattern in the flags. On average there was 1 Russian or c58 flag in every 7 users or so (the other 6 that didn't bother changing it had the basic ESR flag).

But tbh I ain't complaining. The objective of this poll was apparently to obtain a larger userbase, which worked out pretty well.

boxer~
some one to count the votes??hohoo
i think it Exceeds 80% this time~

BoxeR - Imperor
Fatal1ty - just a prince
IMHO

i vote for BoxeR.

Sure, boxer may be the best in korea, but honestly I don't know that much about the guy. What I do know is the rest of the world outside of asia knows about fat.

I'd consider boxer alongside pacman: there's gaming, and then there's obsession. When you change games and still dominate, I think, you show true skill.

But, on the other hand, a nice solid gametype is just what progaming needs. Eh who the hell knows... this thing is a whole joke anyway what with pimpleosity getting all the votes.

Btw, I dunno who made up the quotes on the bottom of the profile thingies, but basically saying that about boxer means he should win the tourny regardless of votes, really. I just don't know that much about him, and given that, I vote for fatal1ty because even if I DIDN'T fps game I'd still hear all about the guy, whereas boxer is apparently korea/starcraft only.

Then again, starcraft terrans have the best music :(

So you're justifying voting for fatal1ty based on ignorance?

You honestly think many people outside the competitive FPS scene know fatal1ty (apart from "that guy on the MTV show")?

"So you're justifying voting for fatal1ty based on ignorance?"
no surprise, thats so u.s. :)

ah, so polos won fair?

Tbh I think fat is being overrated a little. Hear me out before flaming me btw.

Fat dominated Q3, from what I hear. He won 1 AvP cpl which was good but not exceptional since I doubt the scene was 1/10th as competitive as Q3 for example. Then he went on to be a really good UT2003 player, but mind you he never dominated that. And his CS adventure resulted in sitting on the bench in virtually every important match (again, from what I hear).

Now don't get me wrong, but based on that information I conclude that he dominated 1 game and was 'good' at 2 or 3 others.
I'm not saying that hasn't accomplished anything... to the contrary, fat is a true multi-gamer. But personally I don't think it's fair to say that he was the king of more than 1 game.

I agree that if it was purely about skillz0rz, then Fat would be the newbie in this competition. But AFAIK, it's not. BoxeR wasn't one of the founding fathers of Korean pro-gaming, he's just been owning it up for quite a significant amount of time. Fatal1ty on the other hand set out to do what no other person had _truly_ done before - establish gaming as a career.

You can argue as much as you wish to about Thresh and LakermaN, but the fact is that both of these were casual gamers compared to the seriousness of Fat. Carmac's Ferrari was a publicity stunt, there was no real money in gaming, that's why Thresh faded out. He took his cut and ran with it. Same thing happened to LakermaN.

Fatal1ty has got himself sponsored, has introduced true professionalism to Western gaming. If the poll was "Most Skilled Gamer" I wouldn't doubt for a second. But what I think many people are forgetting is that without Fatalon1ty, we wouldn't be half as far as we are now. That has to be worth something on a site called e-sports reality.

He owned q3 for some time,than he got beat by newer better players.He's nothing at CS compared to Heaton or Potti,and nothing in UT2003 compared to Gitzzz.Boxer dominated SC for a long time and is still the best as far as I know.

I don't know about the russian starcraft players voting for Boxer, they are somewhat known for their sour grapes and I don't know if they have lived down (orky)Asmodey getting his shit ruined in the CocaCola (or was it Sky, not sure) OGN by Boxer. He was their best chance at mainstream recognition of their power as a Starcraft nation and was doing very well until he met Boxer.

Fatality because he played quake3

Dumbass.

no he's russian...but that's a synonym nowadays

You don't want to get into nationalities and mental capacities. Trust me. Too many traumatic experiences with Belgian clanmates...

And, yes, I know Finns are dumb-fucks on the 'net.

I was referring to the public demonstration they gave us these last weeks (hence the "nowadays")...I thought it was obvious enough

I'm not as idiotic as I may seem. I know what you were referring to. But it's easy enough to dig up examples of national stupidity for pretty much every nationality, so my point was just that let's not go there.

my vote for Fatality

Fatal1ty. I hate South Korea, they cheated in World Cup 2002.

lol no way man.

This is the real final

80-20 for boxer? :)

Boxer >>> All

gl boxeR asian star

gogo Lim Yo-Hwan, you are BEST!!!

Go-go Fat!
all yr base belongs to US :)

Fatal1ty. Because he allways proves everyone wrong who says he cant win. And he will prove you BoXeR-voters wrong today! :p.

hope you will not forget to come back to pick up your ass :)

how much you wanna bet fat never wins a cpl cs tourney? :P

I said he couldn't beat GitzZz (in game).

I said he couldn't beat zulg.

He beat zulg.

I said it during ESWC

Boxer's never had that problem, nobody has ever tried to say he couldn't win something =p

would have voted boxer, but wont vote because a mob of russian kids kinda fucked up a great idea

In fairness a bunch of SK fanboys did it first :)

Not that that justifies anyone else voting for national/game reasons.

SlayerS_BoxeR although im sure he will be pwned by the ruski teens in the finals

fatal1ty

Fatality...

Dont understand why people keeps dissing fatality... i think he have done good for gaming, and its impressive his accomplishments... people keep coming with the argument that he only owns in games that just came out etc. cause he plays as much as he do, so... You think that other people dont practice a game like mad when it just comes out? I sure as hell know they do! Thats what makes it even more impressive the ability to adapt...

But i voted Boxer, he is imo a greater gamer.

I agree. Practice-dissing is just stupid. The amount of dedication needed to just put the rest of your life on hold and take on gaming as a career is an admirable quality at the very least. Both players have done it, but Fat is a forerunner in the West.

Why do you all hate practice?

Two great players, but Boxer just edges it for me.

well boxer is a legend...but i give my vote 2 polos;)))
heh..2 fat of course...just cause he play FPS game..not rts...and i saw a lot of his games...he was great:)....
so even if boxer win..i am with fat;) gl

Boxer for sure, he's everything what fatality is trying to be.

I really don't know who's better Fat or Box. They both the legends of cyberSport and made a lot for establishin' it like a SPORT. They made ordinary games some kind of show.
Both respect, but vote 2 Fat ;))

fatal

ban *.ru

U don't know 'Boxer'?

get out here!

Boxer is god of Starcraft

i would like to see grrr instead of boxer... but anyway :)

fatality>boxer certainly well partly cause me an q3 n ut gamer
but boxer is also an damn good player guys!!

fatal.

Boxer for sure :)

and lol @ fatcandy :p

What would the world have looked like today without Fata?

No Fatpads to laugh at, no backwards rg jump on dm6 and no FATAlonely comics...

:)

if boxer meets polos in the finals.. im pasting the link to the vote on boxers fan site ( with 100.000 members ) and all other korean and non-korean cs - wc3 sites..

Soviet mass of meat wount save them this time :>

haha i want to see the sheer # of votes these players would get if you did that. and hey at least all this attention is nice publicity for esreality

ill sure ass hell do that in deed :>
as for the number of votes..it might aswell go over 10.000 at least :>

fun about Fatal1ty =) IS_HERE

Fatal1ty...

too ezy BOXER!

Fatal :o

boxxor roxxor mi roxxor boxxor

I vote BoxeR because he is very impressive. I like more the RTS than the shoot-kill. It is more psectacular and there is more variety, ambiance, etc. Anyway I recognize fatal1ty is very great gamer too!

Boxer clearly

Fat climbed a few good mountains, but boxer is in the top of the everest for years.

boxer.. people should read gaminghistory course A:/
boxer should win this whole thing

I voted for Fatal1ty. For me his name and fame means a lot more than Boxer's. Maybe that's because I like FPS and don't like Starcraft. Yeah, I know who Boxer is, I know that he's famous in South Korea and among the sc players, but from my point of view Fat did much more for international cybersport than Boxer and he's much more famous in the world than his opponent.

I think that Q3 fans will win, But my humble opinion is that Boxer is the greatest. Respect & GL for Polos, of course :)

I think fatal1ty is greater :)
He was first PROgamer.........maybe...... =)

Fatal1ty respect

fat is the man
w0rd

boxer plz

Fatal1ty plz :)

They both seem close to me considering fat has managed success over multiple games and is getting closer and closer to being a decent player in CS. I'll go with Boxer though, if only for the fact that natural Korean sounds better than Natural english with a lisp (DIE)

Fatal1ty used to be to be a legend like boxer is.

But that pretty much went into itself after he lost to gitzz and then changed game again..

BoxeR

ggogo boxer

xuy

All will win Polos!

100% =))

BoxeR.

Just see fat's photo...he is LOSER, its clearly sights on his forehead. US and all europe progaming level would amount korea's level only after some years...try to think about it just for few minutes and u'll make right choice, instead of voting "because he FPS player"-LOL

boring ....

The day Polo won over Thresh this whole project became pretty senseless.

i love how the gamer and master of starcraft...the only game he's ever been pro at is raping all of the competition...he's beating the supposed best FPS gamer in the world...and all his little fans (cs, q1, q2, q3, doom2, fps fans) will vote for him yet they still wont win this poll...that just goes to show how powerful boxer is...all those PC shooters are rediculous games anyway, RTS games actually takes some INTELLIGENCE and SPEED...FPS takes good aim...big fucking deal...SC probably takes as much aim skill as quake does...you have to be super accurate with the mouse

hihi

oba yrodi

first i voted for boxer.. but than i dont relate to that guy and i really dont care what he has done or how many commercials he has done.. fatality has actually set a better standard for quake 3 and thats what matters to me ..

same here...

FAT!

Maybe you're right but inteligence and speed also is needed in FPS i mean in Counter - Strike in quake's and unreal's you don't have to think much but in cs you must especially at Clanwars.
I think Fps's are much more demanding.

thinking faster doesn't demote the amount of thinking

mby, but who plays my $rand game has a bigger penis, simple as that!

so, if you $rand person want to rock alot, think alot, get skillz alot and grow a bigger penis (ok, alot aswell)... just play my $rand game! ez!



But yes, CS needs huge amounts of thinking, thats why the mainstream players have around 14 years old.
And judging from what i've seen in a inet cafe near home, they are definately future einsteins... :)

Tough contest in all reality.

Fatal1ty has won contests in multiple games, in multiple countries consistently for 3-4 years now. He puts the practice in to really qualify as a professional in the field, not just as a hobby.

Boxer on the other hand has accomplished more as a whole than Fatal1ty has. He has won more money, more events (I think, correct me if I am wrong), and has apparently done more things such as advertisements. He is a recognized celebrity in his country (apparently).

However, at the same time, it is slightly unfair to compare Boxer's accomplishments against Fatal1ty's on the same playing field. Fatal1ty isn't the same status celebrity as Boxer, but the country he is in does not support the "sport" the same way Korea does. In that regard, I find it hard to justify that Boxer is a BETTER or the BEST gamer because they are not playing on the same playing field in regards to market ability and public acceptance.

I do not know all the details of the market regarding sponsorship of the events, available prize money, individual sponsorship, etc. So, I conclude the following:

Boxer has been very successful and earned a large quanity of money, fame and sponsorship in a market that is more accepting of what it is that he does. Companies are more willing to go along with the gaming market their, making the chance to earn what he has more feasible and real.

Fatal1ty has not reached QUITE the same level, but has none the less won a large quantity of money, earned a fair amount of fame and also attained sponsorship, all of this happening in a market that was not very friendly towards what he does. He earned large winnings during the earlier years of the "sport" in a market that wasn't very supportive, and still isn't all that supportive, of the "sport". He earned a large sponsorship deal, reaching six-figures at one point, in a market that is very hard to do so, at a very early time.

Boxer is a world champion.
Fatal1ty is a world champion.
Boxer wins in Starcraft.
Fatal1ty wins in Q3, AvP2, UT2k3 (all in the FPS genre, but each game being significantly different from each other in how the game works).

I have to give my nod to Fatal1ty on this one. I initially was leaning for Boxer, but once I analyzed the markets as a whole in how they relate to each other and what they present for gamers, I find Fatal1ty's acheivments more "eye opening" than what Boxer has done. Boxer is a very talented gamer and deserves just as much respect as Fatal1ty does, but I just find that Fatal1ty has had to take a harder road to get to where he is.

Just my thoughts.

Please, do not mention AvP2 as an achievement...

As correct as you may be, he still did it. That we cannot deny.

In this case we are missing Virus from mTw in the list here. He was one of the best in the world for UT, dominated UT TDM for a year with his clan and won a car playing Serious Sam 2.

I did not know that, but I think should at least warrant a mention for sure. That is why I think 16 people might have been too few almost. Then again, it also depends on where you are from and how you view each person.

I really thought I was gonna vote for Boxer, but then I decided to look at it a bit closer. Fatal1ty is more famous here in America I think than Boxer, but I always considered Boxer as "better" because of the scope of his accomplishments. I never took the time to break down the two regions and how they approach gaming. Once I did this, the whole picture seemed different. I found it hard to compare their acheivements directly without taking into considerations the advantages and disadvantages of their respective regions.

Either way, they are both doing a very good job of representing what e-sports can become.

Of all Fatality's accomplishments, the AvP2 win's only merit is the nice prize - nothing else. It's like saying Thresh was world champion because he beat Billox ;).

And played at qcon2k2 with mTw.rtcw

and achieved nothing?

The closest thing to World Championship is WCG (IMO) and i don't remeber fatal1ty winning any WCG during his UT2k3 career! so ? don't know about other games :/

What's wrong with the world? If Boxer doesn't win this whole thing I'll kill myself!

On a sidenote, can anyone tell me who Thresh is? They say he is better then Fatality but the latter is the one of the two I've heard about.

Thresh was perhaps the greatest Q1 and Q2 player back in the day. He never lost a competition. In fact, he only lost two matches, both times coming back to win the entire tournament out of the loser bracket. He was the person who won the tournament to determine the #1 Quaker in the world and received Jon Carmack's red fararri for his efforts. One time he did win a Q1 and Q2 tournament at the same time. The only time he didn't win a contest that he was in was when Deathrow flew to Sweden to play Team9. However, if I recall correctly, Thresh had already moved into Q2 by then, and had actually quit playing Q1 6 months earlier. The same was basically true for Deathrow. Either way, Team 9 won 8 games to 2 in the famous match.

Thresh now runs http://www.firingsquad.com and apparently has his hand in a few other things.

http://www.challenge-tv.com/players/profile.php?in=21

time to get your medicine and go to bed petit scarabé

let boxer win 1st place in 4 other games and he'll get my vote. imho to place high in different games is what a true "best" gamer is. not just to dominate in one game.

dominating sc is harder than dominating ut2k3 and q3 at the same time..

i think its the writeups that have to be changed totally one sided and already advocating the posters choice.

for boxer its
"to not choose him because of not knowing quake is an admission that skill or influence on the world of gaming is being ignored"

for fatal1ty its
"he made it only because he practices for 8 hours a day, he had some setback etc etc ".

Thats blatant one sidedness out there itself. In my opinion you list the accomplishments ( which may be too many in this case) and let the public decide.

Fun About Fatality IS HERE

I saw that, thought about it, but never really made much of it. You do have a very good point though. In the write-ups for these players, there should not be a statement like that.

"- there are more people on battle.net with Starcraft than there are with Warcraft 3 or on a Counter-Strike server at the moment - against scores of other professionals"

That is also rather absurd. Good thing counter-strike servers are probably not setup to host that many people (unless I am wrong). Also, out of the 1 million plus people playing CS (am I wrong with the number?), wouldn't Potti, Elemenet, Heaton, or others of their rank qualify for the same statement being made here for Boxer?

boxer god =.=

i think fatality doesnt deserve the title "best gamer of all times".

imo all he wanted 2 do is 2 get as much money out of the business as he could. i mean ölook at it : he always switched 2 games where the competition was weak and where it was stronger he didnt even try or leave as soon as he was able to. in UT1 there was much money involved in WCG but what did he do ? he joined UT2k3 at the very start, won the 1st bigger tourney, tried the 2nd and when he saw he couldnt win it he left the game....its so obvious, hes just after the money and he doesnt own a single game ! and hes prolly not a bad guy or an asshole, he simply tried 2 b the 1st professional gamer and did what he had 2 do.

but still he aint the greatest gamer of all times and he hasnt won a really strong tourney since the old Q3 days...he just doesnt deserve it imo.

Polosatiy rulezzz but i'm 4 Fatality now

too bad that GitzZz is out :/

I think John wont stand against BoXer... :o

no doubt. BOXER!!!

http://www.cyberfight.org/getimg.php?img_id=3...047879b6fd

FATAcar gets my vote!

i think im going to be sick.

I vote against Fatal1ty just because he is from usa ! :)

Which makes complete sense.

It does though.

Go Boxer!!!

Go Boxer!!!

I think BoxeR will win this one, don't know why but, Fat always won close here on ESR. And you can see there are many FATfans, but also many guys who think FAT is a good gamer but totally not "the greatest gamer" and that's what this poll is all about

boxah

BoxeR, just because he's amazing and there is far more competition in starcraft then in all of fatality's games. Sill i have a lot of respect for fatality, but this one is definatly for boxer :D

right now, s_boxer is ranked tied 4th as korean pro-gamer, officially.

boxer

Boxer is one of the most faimous Play of hole time - i Think his game is Art and Fatality is just a gamer who played 12 huurs a day
My Choise - Boxer................

fat for win :<

Even before I stepped into the StarCraft scene I had heard of Boxer. This is the FIRST time I have ever heard about Fatality. But, this should not be a popularity contest.

I believe that Real Time Strategy games are harder to 'master' than First Person Shooters. Since Boxer has done more than Fatality has with a harder game to play, I am giving my vote to Boxer.

Only one can win this vote ... i gave my vote for Fatal1ty - GL ;)

GitzZz was the best in this tournament...... in this pair Boxer owns!

BoxeR wins! Yay!

Justice! At last!

0 + 0 = 0, thats about it?

SlayerS_'BoxeR' its a GoD

i was really wondering, what has fat done so great? so, he was the first progamer against all odds, in a region where that was something of the future. ok, so? the poll was about the greatest GAMER of all time, not pro-gamer. boxer dominated a game completely while he was on top, while fat dominated none. he just switched from game to game when he wasn't able to be the first, against ppl who didn't train 8-12 hours a day. boxer won every contest for 3 years, and that with style. did fat invent anything new? did he make pure attitude moves to make his opponents look dumb just because he was good enough to afford it? and that, in the finals? do fans remember him for doing cute stuff or for being thought inhuman at what he does? what boxer did is the equivalent of skillfully dodging your opponent so you could knife him down only to humiliate him. no FPS icon can ever compare to him, cept for thresh. and, FPS games are much easier, you just point and shoot, you don't have to pull anything special in order to be good. i play sc, q3 and cs, and sc gives me the hardest time, it's really tough and tense opposed to the others, which are quite relaxing, cept for when i get mugged by campers.

You didn't play cs. You just tried it-)

NJ #354 ^_^

BOXER IS MY SUPPER STAR IN MY HEART!HE GIVE ME MUCH HAPPYNESS!AND HE IS A HERO IN SC GAME.HE WON SO MUCH REPUTATION IN SC GEME'S HISTORY.I LOVE SC.LOVE BOXER TOO.

SC finals have been know to draw 8000 people LIVE?

Sure - like 3 years ago. Try 20,000 these days.

MY AMMO! MY AMMO! I'M A F@T@AL1TY F4G

good joorb idiot

You realize you are a good 2 years late with that?

Polos is rulez

polos=toxic?

Dun geddit :(

ini=cl0ck?