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hahha well memed oldfag ;^)))

u got rekt doe :@)

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Looks very good!

Yeah just tried it out. Still missing tech rune ctf with offhand grapple.

Ahh what am I saying? AMAZING progress newborn!

Reflex is the only fps beside Quake (and some Doom) that I actually enjoy playing and consider fun nowadays. It's beautiful, and it feels awesome (even if I'm a vq3 nablet). It might be a cpma clone alright, but Zero bullshit is involved in the making of this fine game, it's getting better and better with every update, and that's something I can appreciate a lot. GL & HF!

Did they port the game to Q2 engine?

Game looks pretty awesome now. Keep in mind M1zzu's video is Low Quality until at the very end where he selects the Ultra preset.

Yep. IMO it looks surprisingly good on low settings, but starting with 2 minutes of that might give people the wrong idea.

An official server in Telecom ISP in Argentina would be awesome. Arena community is pretty active there and no server available.

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Nice LEGO weapons.

Nerf arena!

It's a good start for models. I was getting sick of the colored block guns.

I purchased it yesterday and it really looks smooth and fun. But I'm missing some stuff from quake though, like mouse accel and zoom ? Is that in plan at all ? Also crouching ?

Mouse accel will be in 0.37

Any plans for crouching or walking?

Why do you need them?

im hitting my head so often because i cant crouch. movement would get a bit more fluent with it.
same with wall clipping, but i guess i can live without that.. though i hope there are other reasons for not implementing it than "we dont want to clone quake!!!1"
for walking i dont see a reason either right now since you dont make any noise while running anyway.

Is teabagging so important? I think taunts would be far more useful.

Blowing the shit out of your dead enemies will be good enough <3

teabagging is a classic classy move.

Not being able to crouch is even classicer.

Both, once we can afford a mocap setup.

<3

Is "callvote teamsize" planned also?

Been asking for this for ~6 months! They are basically ignoring any teamplay. I'm seriously hoping 0.37 changes that.

theyve talked about focusing more on teamplay in future

I'm going to be focusing less on 1v1 as the game progresses. It will always be a viable competitive mode but we definitely want to guide the game more towards team modes.

We'll probably just automatically lock teams when a game is in progress.

Awesome, great to hear that, was missing it aswell

Had my first good latency game a couple hours ago. 5 or so players and good traffic. Game feels solid. Very satisfying to land shots using any weapon. The new arena free for all is really fun!

Playing on high pinged servers is even more impressive. 150 ping feels better than QL with 80 ping.

I bet you're better off using povohat's mouse accel driver. I very much doubt they're going to implement a system as customizable and tweakable as that in reflex.

Never heard about it tbh. Can you explain it a bit ? I can download that and use in any game ?

I don't use it but you can conf it like mad: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/2p...se_driver/

Actually, we are.

Ok while you're at it how bout teleport-to-selected-brush bind for editor.

this needs to be a majored newspost

We never get majored ;)

Well this is a forum thread instead of a newspost so it's technically impossibile to major it.

Exactly.

Afaik, esr post can always be converted, even forum posts.

I thought that too.

Because, nobody writes newspost :)

I don't like the axe melee weapon. Since reflex is so fast paced, actually getting to axe a bitch isnt going to happen.

I'd really want to see a boomerang type plasma sword thing. You'd have it for close up attacks but can also throw it at people and it would home in and come back to you where you are on the map.

So you'd throw it at the red armor where the nigga is going and it would knock him out of the air and then fly back to whereever you are running to.

I think this would change the whole game in terms of defense. I mean if some asshole is flying around the map, how can you actually catch him if you are 1-2 frags behind.Throwing a boomerang around the map would totally destroy the other players fluid movement.

This would set reflex apart from every other quake clone.

This would set reflex apart from every other quake clone.

So would airstrikes

In my mind this idea looks sick. The boomerang wouldnt fly fast, it would be a slow projectile and take its fucking time to get places, so it's like a mid air collision type shit.

Imagine strafing around the map and see this fucking thing right infront where you are supposed to double jump, you'd get wrecked. The traps and sick plays can evolve so much. This would be the counter to the super fluid movement.

I like your idea, a boomerang would be tons of time C O O L L E R than that skinny axe.

Link? Is that you?

OCARINA OF TIME SON

This game is awesome. And especially it's netcode. I am frequently playing on EU servers with 140ms and the game is still completely playable. Oh, and the rocket launcher actually feels like a rocket launcher, unlike some games I've played. It has oomph. I regularly stream on www.twitch.tv/voogamer

The GL feels pretty beefy too (thtunk! clang clang clang! boom!), and the shotgun when you hit a 100% shot. I'd love to see the LG become a little more meaty. Add some thunder noises, make the beam noise a little lower and louder maybe

In a truly fantasy world where turbo pixel are millionaires I would like to see ragdolls for when you die from non explosive guns with limbs that pop off and stuff. So if you kill a player with a rail to the head his head just explodes and his body ragdolls

Or if you LG a guy in the chest and he dies his body could get cut in half at the point your lg was hitting when he died as though the laser beam sliced him in two

Thats probably stupidly tricky to implement though

We wanted to do it for the Kickstarter trailer but there's just so much to do first.

Which bit of my rambling are you referring to in particular?

My guess is ragdoll physics.

You win the toaster.

omg this halo 2 map looks perfect for reflex.
Edit: Map could use some adjustments ++

It's pretty fun. Played it a-lot when it was first released for Flex. Would be cool if someone would add some of the new assets.

What a terrible map - the whole Reflex movement is useless on it.

I agree. But being able to play replicas is sick. Like the QW maps.

Confirmed: Vo0 owns stock in Turbo Pixel.

i watched voo's stream where he played vs memphis and hal.

was very enjoyable experience actually.

reflex getting better and better, nice :)

Where to find list of all cvars ?

Pull down the console and hit the tab key 2 times.

Thanks.

Where is your diabotical now

naming your game Diabotical is like naming your son Adolf.

Adolf at least has some followers.

Reflex is fucked already.

Diabotical is king, its going to go global.

Isn't reborn being made for 10 y/o kiddos?

What's reborn? Sounds a lot cooler than Diabotical....

no its being made by people that actually know how to make a good fps that isn't a quake clone.

That's a contradiction, n00b.

Well you're sure getting wet and giddy over it. So far all I see is a caster, previously a q4 pro, not even a programmer, talking talking talking.

You haven't seen nothing yet

No one has seen anything yet. I have doubts that a cute little robot themed shooter that is class anchored will interest me in the slightest. Do you even quake, bro?

If we pretend you're literate and did not use a double negative that was like his whole point.

Reflex is already dead.

Nah, reflex is still in the womb, diabotical on the other hand is still a glint in the eye of 2gd.

Let's compare game communities.

Reflex forums
reflex maps

reborn/diabotical
No map database, just a quirky unfinished editor and a map forum with 68 posts.

Even if you read badly, reflex forum appears to be more active than even the quake live forums. Hmmm...

Reflex isn't anything new you are just stepping into the same old shit.

You got me all wrong. I hope different approaches such as diabotical do succeed. It would be a breath of fresh air. I like reflex too, and even if it doesnt hit the esports scene it's still worthwhile. But you can't expect me to believe much of anything spectacular is going to show up and take all the glory in esports. Especially reborn, there's no evidence getting me hyped. What I've seen looks alright.

THIS GUY,,, ^^

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me too

Not particularly excited about reflex for myself, mainly because by brain is too inept for CPM speed gameplay and movement. But I am excited for the game itself and watching more talented players pick it up and do amazing shit while I watch the tournament streams.

If Reflex FFA will be close to fun you can get in QW it will be dope as fuck and there is no brain involved \o/

jeez, you sound like a noob

that's because I am.

Fuck id Software. Marry Reflex. It's the game the Quake community deserves. Quake is dead and never coming back.

I think it may yet, Mr Frodo. It may yet.

Reflex has GUI Timers, it will never be a proper replacement for Quake, not in a million years. The only players defending this aberration are those that always got owned by being bad at timing, or CPM brainless rush and gun players.
At the end of the day, is a clone, it will never be the original. The sounds feel cheap, the models dull, the maps are boring. Let's not get too excited there.

This is the info i have so far.

- Reflex will stick to timers in team modes and they will get removed for duel.
- It isn't trying to replace quake.
- Players defending this are people who look forward and not backwards, it has nothing to do with timing, some people thought i was using timers at some point.
- CPM wasn't brainless at all, I was beating players who were mechanically better (hal_9000 for instance).


Sounds suck indeed, but that's likely to change in the near future, models will get better.
Maps are boring but suddenly we have a shitton of them, just wait till mappers are more interested in this game.


You just sound like another frustrated guy who arrived too late to quake, either that or a stupid faker.

Source on your first point? Last I heard you could just lock the hud with a callvote. Timers will be great for TDM pubs, but in organised games with players on comms I'd rather see people communicating the info.

got it from Vo0 after playing some 2v2, i was playing without timers and the other 3 dudes were using them, so he pointed it out after some matches, so i turned timers on for next games..

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Played a little Reflex and got rekt did ya? Mebe git-gud shouldya?

Nemecel most likely.

Reflex has GUI Timers, it will never be a proper replacement for Quake

And then you realize quake also has timers displayed by default.

Ouch gg

But QL isn't Quake!

What does the "Q" stands for then? I understand it's a controversial version (from the community's point of view), but I still consider it Quake, and it's also the most played version.

It's the same way that a zombie isn't really a human. Structurally, there's a lot of similarities but the person you once knew and loved isn't there.

Yeah, just everything is fecking same but its not. They know what is what but the don't know what is what.

They just strut.

I'm being facetious.

no. timers are not in Quake like they are in reflex

http://i.imgur.com/yvJWjAO.png

ouch gg

I don't recall saying it's the same, I do however commend you on accepting that quake has in-game item timers, just like reflex :)

are you okay in the head? quake DOESN'T have timers, that's the entire point. The only 'timer' you could say exists is a clock, which isn't the same as actual item timers like reflex has.

yawn

Added in-world item timers for "major" items, including armors, megahealth, power-ups, and medkit.

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?37858



Bash reflex all you want for it's flaws, but to say that quake has no global item timers makes you look like nemecel, and no one wants to be like nemecel.

i always liked more the ql/UT approach on item timers than reflex

I wouldnt have a huge problem with this either. When matchmaking and some sort of ranking system is implemented they could have these turned on for lower skill servers

The transition would be much smaller from these timers to no timers as they still have to guess roughly when items are up and go to the items to check.

I imagine a noob going from on-hud global timers to no timers at all would be pretty tricky for them (though it will have given them a good understanding of what to do in a duel and how long things take to respawn)

this please.

alternatively, first 30 games hud timers, then 100 / lower ranks on items timers..

the goal just has to remain that no timers is the way its meant to be played.

or a mix of both, where the item timers only appear on the HUD when the player is within a short distance of the item.

Those don't show up in duel, and those are easily disabled. In Reflex you are fucked stuck with a standarized "no timers" hud due potential LUA exploits etc. What a disaster.

Ouch gg.

Actually you aren't stuck with anything in Reflex. At the moment you can enable or disable them. The future may be different, but for now you may want to check facts before you spew nonesense.....

Really? I know you can disable them. The matter here is making it forced disabled for everyone. What's the point of disabling your timer when your opponent is most likely using it? That's dumb as a brick.
So the solution is forcing a standardized hud without a timer, which will be annoying as fuck because who wants to play with a standardized hud.

You will be able to disable timers in reflex too.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2735793/solutio...em-timers/

So your last argument is that they don't show up in duel?
Fine, have it your way.


I'm continuously stumped by people trying so hard to bash on a game that, I repeat, they don't play or even have any intentions to do so.

"quake is better it has no timers"
yes it has
"yes b-b-b-b-ut you can disable them!"
you will be able to disable them in reflex too
"yes b-b-b-b-ut quake is better!"
FINE, why don't you play quake then if it so much better?

I'm just perplexed that some people deliberately try to hunt down errors in a game they have zero interest in.

To me it almost seems like they are afraid of reflex and just try to gather as many "supporters" in their anti-reflex crusade.


It's always something along the line "hey guys reflex sucks right? come on it's not good right? can someone relate? please don't play it please?"

And to top it all off, it's the SAME two or three guys that do this day after day after day.


So it was nice checking all your new accounts nemecel, but you're really not making a case for yourself or quakers for that matter.

Next time try g100ology because wmology was a dead giveaway.

What last argument? I've been counterpointing everything with logic.
I only play duel, and while I still find a disgrace that those items give you a help in your timing in other gamemodes, is still not a total fuckup since:

1) It's not on duel. Timing has the biggest impact on duels by far.
2) The item aren't visible to you 100% of the time, unlike with a GUI.

And now with the community hosted servers, it will be easy to find some TDM server without items that show the time if we keep pushing for an option to disable them. It should be easy as hell to implement, not so much with Reflex.

Again, I know you can disable the timers in Reflex, but the problem is forcing it OFF for everyone due the LUA exploit problem. The "solution" is a standard "non-timer" HUD for everyone. Hardly a solution, it's just not possible to play without customized HUD. Plus no one will want to play without timers unless former Quake players so the dumbed down GUI timers will win and the idea of having them disabled if voted and for official tournaments will finally be ditched.

As far as fear goes, of course I have fear. I have fear that Reflex is actually a success and the new generations see duels with automated GUI timers as normal, to never understand in the past it was done all mentally. Actually I dont because the game will always remain a niche.

The only people with fear here are the butthurt Quake players that never knew how to time items that finally have a game that time items for them (this is 50% of Reflex userbase, 45% being CPMA and QW players and 5% beind the random newbie).

"As far as fear goes, of course I have fear. I have fear that Reflex is actually a success" followed by
"Actually I dont because the game will always remain a niche."

which brings me to my previous point:
It's always something along the line "hey guys reflex sucks right? come on it's not good right? can someone relate? please don't play it please?"

I'm afraid of it because it might be successful but it won't be successful so I'm not afraid of it.

"What last argument? I've been counterpointing everything with logic."
(c) nemecel, 2015

I DOUBT Reflex will be a success at a mainstream level, but still, I don't want to see it replacing Quake as the "to-go" game for fast paced duels or fast paced FPS action in general, even if to-go means at a small scale. How is that incompatible with each other?
Anyway, you ignored the rest of my post only to try to make a lame "see, here's a logical fallacy here" remark.

There are no points, it's just you crying about the self-proclaimed supreme superpowers that glory days of quake had.

That's great to hear that you only play one single gametype and everything else that doesn't cater to your expectations is complete nonsense. Maybe when you try to blame reflex for not having enough players try to think that you're pushing your archaic stupid idea that struggle = fun. Not in 2015, not when you have plenty of games to choose from.

Getting boned in the ass because you aren't familiar with the game concept, let alone timing sure is a great way to boost a game's popularity.

I don't even know what the fuck do you expect from a videogame, and frankly I think it's so absurd that quakers tend to think duelling is hard work and deserves some kind of special respect.

For crying out loud you are playing an old videogame in your room, you're not doing anything much more different than people watching youtube vids and playing android games on their phone. It's still a video game, not a proof of courage and respect.

1) it's not on duel, you play only duel so that doesn't bother you
>Cool, what about people playing other gametypes? Yes, they DO exist! No, duel is not something that everyone wants to play. Especially not duel only.

2) I never stated they are visible 100% of the time. Why are you trying to weasel yourself out of this? Why can't you just once and for all accept that QUAKE LIVE has IN-GAME GLOBAL TIMERS.
Doesn't matter if you play duel only and they aren't constantly visible. It has timers. Reflex did it with hud, quake did it with icons.

It doesn't matter which one is WORSE, the fact is that quake has global timers and you keep trying to find a way to dispute that. Face it, people just don't enjoy 24/7 ZTN wanking on an old as shit game without timers or lobbys or a community center or matchmaking. It just isn't fun for anyone else but veterans who jerk off their ego.


"And now with the community hosted servers, it will be easy to find some TDM server without items that show the time if we keep pushing for an option to disable them."

Who the fuck is WE? Who are the people that want to bring quake to the majestic state that once was.. and failed to maintain the audience?
Sure, it will be a blast, decentralized servers with angsty teen admins, each server with its own mod.


Forced huds aren't the best option, but the game is still in development and they're constantly adding and changing things.

"it's just not possible to play without customized HUD."
Since when?

"Plus no one will want to play without timers "
Really? But I thought people are so eagerly waiting for timers to be removed! I thought people can't wait for QL TDM servers to get spawned without timers. Same goes for reflex I guess. I'm kinda confused now. Do people want timers or not? Clearly they don't want them so they don't want to play without them. Again, using simple nemecel logic.

"The only people with fear here are the butthurt Quake players that never knew how to time items that finally have a game that time items for them "

This is why they added the option to remove timers, because QUAKERS didn't want them.
Or wait, was it quakers that wanted the timers?


"I DOUBT Reflex will be a success at a mainstream level, but still, I don't want to see it replacing Quake as the "to-go" game for fast paced duels or fast paced FPS action in general"

Then DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT, what's the problem?

How is this an issue that YOU don't want it to become your to-go FPS game?

Why am I even doing this, you are dense as fuck.

Duuur I don't want CS:GO to become famous because I like DotA and DotA doesn't have AWPs.

What the shit man?

I think you're misunderstanding him a bit.
His point is that since he idealizes this video game genre so much, he prefers for it to stay dead rather than change.
I'm sure he's well aware that in this state it has no chance of commercial success.

He's REEEEEEEAAAAAAAALLLY bad at writing articulate posts then , nemecel I mean.

There are no points, it's just you crying about the self-proclaimed supreme superpowers that glory days of quake had.

Yes there are, but you ignore them, for some reason.

That's great to hear that you only play one single gametype and everything else that doesn't cater to your expectations is complete nonsense. Maybe when you try to blame reflex for not having enough players try to think that you're pushing your archaic stupid idea that struggle = fun. Not in 2015, not when you have plenty of games to choose from.

I said timing has a bigger impact on duel than in any other gametype and I said I would rather have no timers everywhere. I also said having items that show 5 second increments are less of a disgrace than having GUI timers which show you the time everywhere you are. I've also said in the future it will probably be easy as hell to set it OFF since we will be able to fully control servers. We already got rid of the dumb loadouts, next is the ammo packs and item timers. If you don't want to struggle with timers and want to mindlessly shot there's already CA.

Getting boned in the ass because you aren't familiar with the game concept, let alone timing sure is a great way to boost a game's popularity.

I don't even know what the fuck do you expect from a videogame, and frankly I think it's so absurd that quakers tend to think duelling is hard work and deserves some kind of special respect.

But you just said struggle isn't fun, and now you said quake dueling is not hard work.

And in any case, it's not struggle for me and for a lot of people. I have the most fun by planning tactics and mindgames on the opponent by delaying items, fooling him into he attacking me by screwing up his timing etc, having to position to listen when the enemy picks up an item etc. All of this is gone in Roflex because of the GUI-assisted global timer. It's frustrating since it's objectively a big loss on game dept. If you are a 2015YOLObro that couldn't never learn how to time it's not my problem. Git gud.

For crying out loud you are playing an old videogame in your room, you're not doing anything much more different than people watching youtube vids and playing android games on their phone. It's still a video game, not a proof of courage and respect.

You have 11230 posts on a website about an old-videogame. And what we are discussing here goes much deeper. The YOLOfication of society is having an impact on videogames as well, and im not talking about how a Quake dictator should put into gullags anyone not playing Quake, im talking about the appropriation of the name that represents something, repackaging it into a dumbed down version of it for lucrative purposes and selling it as "hardcore FPS", effectively changing history down the line. This is addressed at the end of the post.

1) it's not on duel, you play only duel so that doesn't bother you
>Cool, what about people playing other gametypes? Yes, they DO exist! No, duel is not something that everyone wants to play. Especially not duel only.

Already addressed above several times.

2) I never stated they are visible 100% of the time. Why are you trying to weasel yourself out of this? Why can't you just once and for all accept that QUAKE LIVE has IN-GAME GLOBAL TIMERS.
Doesn't matter if you play duel only and they aren't constantly visible. It has timers. Reflex did it with hud, quake did it with icons.

If you cannot see the difference and impact on gameplay of having timers globally (constant knowledge of if the enemy picked up an item or not) vs only being able to see when it will spawn if you are constantly looking at the circular thing, you are dumber than I thought and it's pointless to argue about it. And AGAIN, I said I would rather have no timers at all anywhere, im just addressing facts.

It doesn't matter which one is WORSE, the fact is that quake has global timers and you keep trying to find a way to dispute that. Face it, people just don't enjoy 24/7 ZTN wanking on an old as shit game without timers or lobbys or a community center or matchmaking. It just isn't fun for anyone else but veterans who jerk off their ego.

Already addressed. Duel doesn't have timers, and the other gametypes don't have GUI Timers (global), it has location based timers, in any case, both suck and no timers is the only answer.

I never commented on maps and im pro-new maps. And just lol at how most people playing Reflex are playing Q3 and CPMA map remakes.
In any case, people that know how to play still enjoy ZTN, and lot of randoms as well, proof: Whenever there is a big tournament and we have like 10K people watching on twitch they enjoy it. Veterans because it's always a solid map that delivers good matches if the players are skilled, noobs because well it's new for them, they don't have the perception of ZTN being an old map. In any case im pro-new maps as well as keeping at least 2 classic on the mappool.

The centralized issue is getting solved in a month and the matchmaking issue, if it got solved it would automatically solve the timing problem, because if the match is properly matched both players will on an even playing field.

Newbies don't even know what the fuck timing is, which is why there should be clear explanation so they know the importance of it.

Forced huds aren't the best option, but the game is still in development and they're constantly adding and changing things.

It will always be the only option if you want to guarantee that players aren't using timers due the LUA exploit dangers.

"it's just not possible to play without customized HUD."
Since when?

Since it's annoying as fuck. What's the point of having so many customization features when you'll be forced to play with a standard HUD for "no timer" matches.

"Plus no one will want to play without timers "
Really? But I thought people are so eagerly waiting for timers to be removed! I thought people can't wait for QL TDM servers to get spawned without timers. Same goes for reflex I guess. I'm kinda confused now. Do people want timers or not? Clearly they don't want them so they don't want to play without them. Again, using simple nemecel logic.

Newbies don't know what timing is. They will not miss it. How will they miss it? If they start playing with timers on and get used to it. Once you remove them, they will not want to play without it because of pure human adaptation mechanism of conservation of energy (using as little energy as possible to do tasks). So who doesn't want timers? The people that learned how to time and see how superior and deep the game becomes without timers (specially duel). So the only people wanting timers: Newbies that play for ages with timers and become adapted to them, butthurt ex-Quake players that ragequited at skilled players that now can play duels without needing a sense of positioning, item placement and setting traps by delaying them/fooling the player etc. Solid logic.

This is why they added the option to remove timers, because QUAKERS didn't want them.
Or wait, was it quakers that wanted the timers?

Already addressed.

Then DON'T FUCKING PLAY IT, what's the problem?

How is this an issue that YOU don't want it to become your to-go FPS game?

Why am I even doing this, you are dense as fuck.

Duuur I don't want CS:GO to become famous because I like DotA and DotA doesn't have AWPs.

What the shit man?

CS:GO is a different subgenre even if both games are FPS. Reflex is a direct ripoff from Quake that aims at replacing it. In 10 years timing and the infinite richness that it adds onto gameplay, specially duel (a sense of positioning, item placement and setting traps by delaying them/fooling the player etc.) could be history and totally forgotten because a ripoff with GUI timers may get rid of all of that. The situation is clear. A lot of companies are trying to make it big by branding a game "fast paced hardcore gameplay/play like its 1999/Arena FPS done right" and all that marketing bullshit, and trying to make it go viral. So far all have failed but eventually one of those games will become big, replacing the definition of what once was actual hardcore FPS gameplay. Similarly, broYOLOstep replaced the definition of dubstep and now any millenial thinks of dubstep as Skrillex. With this it will be exactly the same, eventually a rebranded dumbed down Quake will go viral and in 10/15 years the new definition of hardcore gameplay could be a monstrosity. Of course, Reflex is the game that stays closer to the definition of hardcore FPS, but GUI Timers is already a big, big mistake into trying to appeal the YOLOmasses. The impact of GUI timers on the gameplay is huge and since it's something that is not seen as obvious by people that don't know how to properly play, to the outsiders the game still feels crazy hardcore due the movement physics, speed and carrying 8 weapons at once, but it's a big disgrace to anyone that understand gameplay at a deeper level.
Like I said before, if people can't accept hardcore FPS gameplay as it is, and by people I mean masses big enough to generate worldwide success, then let it stay a small underground community, because there will always be people playing the game. It will mean people failed, not the game. If Quake got proper matchmaking, proper graphical update, etc (all the things needed while keeping gameplay 1:1) and it doesn't become a success it means that people failed. It's not the game's fault that it didn't caught on as a mainstream, commercial success, it's just the average YOLOfag inane's taste. What's pure evil is selling something as hardcore when it's a dumbed down ripoff of the real thing.

Don't even bother.

wmology (Registered: 16 Aug 2015) and KendrickLamar (Registered: 14 Aug 2015) are just retard throw-away accounts.

It's awesome seeing this game shape up. It's turning out really good so far. Really id should just buy it and make it Quake 5 since it will be better than any shit they put out at this point.

> Really id should just buy it

This is actually not what you want. I was talking to ttimo at QCon about doom4, and he was saying the hardcore quake community cannot expect large productions meet their expectations, and that indi/small productions have a much better chance to.

Personally i'm happy to see reflex getting better and better. If you look at it from an external pov, this game is very different than any other shooter. Quakers know where it comes from, the rest of the world does not. They see a very good looking game which is super fast and where player do sick moves. Probably not the cup of tea for many, but still something different, which might have its spot in the constellation of actively played games.

None of us are surprised about the position of id (and ttimo) "take" on the matter, but perhaps some of us are about yours. (In my opinion), perhaps most of "the hardcore quake community" would be quite satisfied with a "production" what the hardcore UT community about to get with Unreal 4 for example.
Every successful shooter builds on its hardcore player-base (even on consoles). The trick is to find the narrow thin line of balance where you can still provide for the old fans while make your next version fun and exciting for the new players.

UT is a lucky case: they have the big name, but the project is small (afaik dev team of 5-10), which means its cost will remain conataibed, and they keep the freedom of doing something not necessarily minstream. They also went the route of an authentic remake part of the hole PR, which is also helping.

I'd love for something like this to happen to quake, but I'm not expecting this from id. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

I think they just don't want to do it, because they don't know how to make it a CS:GO-ish cashcow blockbuster, and indeed, I'm not sure if the UT guys can, but at least they try and it looks good so far (I personally won't play it too much probably because of obvious "Quaker" first world problems, but it still looks promising objectively)

great game, but I logged on today and there were only 10 players in total on all servers, each server having 2 players at maximum and all are playing duel ... if reflex is not able to attract players to FFA/Rocket Arena servers, this game will be dead, sadly, duel is just too advanced and newbies dont play it ...

In european evenings there is usually a atdm game going on..

I'm quite sure I've seen a ATDM group on steam.

Best thing you can do is start your own public FFA/TDM/ETC server and idle for a min. Guaranteed within 20 mins you'll have a good game goin. Lots of other people log in and see duel servers and don't join, but you'd be surprised how quickly you get a game because of them.

get rid of the timers already, and not just for duel... timers take away from the depth of the game just as much in duel as in team games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml7mrfjZMeY

cs players seem to dig this game

liked by cs player no wonder LOL. Do they even time in their pleb game?

/nemecel

wanna duel without timers in reflex?

im already playing THE superior game

/nemecel

Oh really?

/Quakeworld peeps

I didn't know you played QW

Stuff like this is what the game needs. It will be even more important when the game is closer to completion. Looks like a lot of this guys fans have bought reflex because of him playing it.

If the same things happens when the game is more accomodating to new players and has stats and skins so they can start building their profile (which seems to be the only reason most people play games nowadays) then it could really help it build a playerbase

I can see reflex picking up all of the CS movement geeks in less than a year from now. Won't they be pleasantly surprised?

MMMMWWWAAAAAHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAAAA..................


Srs

this looks like a Warsow clone

It feels and looks better.

Shit like this is pretty tasty: http://i.imgur.com/PYCU1Ye.png

shieeeet
How do I even enable map editor? :D

- start reflex
- open console
bind game numpadsubtract toggleeditor
bind me numpadsubtract cl_playerstate 1
saveconfig
map empty
savemap whatevermapnameyouwant
- profit

The default editor key is the 0, but that sucks on many keyboard layouts, so I rebound it to the "-" key on the numpad. You can always switch between game and editor modes with the numbadsubtract key (or any other key you bound above). You can also allow edit when you start a server, and edit any map you like on the fly, even on online servers while others are playing or editing the map with you. Don't forget to save your map.

Apart from the part where I don't have numpad, thanks :)

Also this just happened apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V58gePLzQYY&feature=youtu.be

Is this Cooller vs Rapha under different nicknames?

Cooller vs Rapha in Reflex would probably be Vo0 vs HAL_9000

I love the pacman item timers lol, but I guess this was to show the levitation thing or whatever it is?

It was to show that dp4 got updated to 0.36 art. What is the levitation thing?

I thought it was som kind of decreased gravity or something after he leaves on of the teleporters, but now when I rewatch it's probably just a common teleporter jump :P see 1:45 what I mean.

I love that face lift def gave to the map. One of my favorite duel maps for sure.

Dueling in reflex is such a blast.

man that was boring.

However give me grapple + ctf and I will be ok

Also the rocket splash doesnt shoot people up at all, it looks gay as fuck. Where are the air rockets?

Has anyone thought of adding packs? Like in quake 1? The game is so fast that to stop and round up all the weapons will be annoying as fuck. Just destroy someone, he drops a pack of guns/ammo, and then go go go.

Rocket splash does bounce people up. It's harder to escape it. As for air the air rockets... I think you're not used to the rl yet.



Ammo packs have been uttered, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Dropping guns is already a great virtue.

Idk, I never cared for dueling until reflex. It's my new addiction.

"Idk, I never cared for dueling until reflex. It's my new addiction."

So weird, it's the same for me too. I only play CTF in Quake, but there are no CTF games on the mornings anymore, and the bots kick me from other gametypes (I never played those, so I don't have the required "ejo")... this leaves Reflex where I can duel against people who played tens of thousands of duels while I played like a hundred in my life.... I'm getting owned so bad it's pathetic... and still the small community is very nice and I have a lot of fun in "cowboy" gametype which I never really cared for playing only for watching as a spectator. There are no whines, no drama or hours long warmups, no bullshit, just fun:)

I always had QL in my startup since the beginning and now I removed it because there are no games for me there on the morning anyways... I'm still a Quaker in my heart and always will be, but Reflex is so hot I get seduced more and more and it feels good:)

Better keep at it. Timers are not going to be around much longer. It will be votable and I'm sure there won't be as many low level duel servers with the option available. Most servers will likely have it locked to timers off.

I finally beat someone who has been beating my ass for days with 0 to 20 games. It feels great to improve.

I am determined to get to voo's level. It likely won't happen but I'll keep at it nevertheless.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=llLjXXY5jyo

Thanks but I can time 3 items just fine (I only time the third to 5s tho or I lose it all in heavy fights). I'm a Quaker even if I'm not a dueler (I do respect duel a lot, but only as a spectator.. Quake duel is the mother of all fps experience, I'm just more a "team type" of person I guess). Yes I won some games too, but only against newcomers:)

"I'm a Quaker even if I'm not a dueler "

You'd be surprised to find out that playing other gametypes doesn't make you any less of a quaker :)

The answer will depend on who you ask.

on the mental illness of who you ask**

.......HOT CARL TESTED,,, HOT CARL APPROVED........

from what i've seen, i get the impression that newborn is a WAY better coder than what the id team has now. and as long as i feel this way, i'd rather wait and have it done well, than have it done quick.
when relex 1.00 comes out, then you can judge.

newborn does stuff too but shootersman is the main coder of turbo pixel, he is very skilled

^this.

Shootersman? Wow that sounds dangerous.

http://i.imgur.com/xZ4Cs1I.jpg

enough fps for consoles Kreygazm

adem, you're a troll, and wsw is fucking terrible, now please fuck off from every reflex post. Post something about wsw, oh wait, no one gives a shit, even the "17 players" reflex has is way more than wsw will ever have.

no need to be mean when you know the post is trolling tho, that was a developer screenshot exclusively made to show the map. On low settings it also looks fantastic and I can get between 300 and 400 fps.

no need to attack wsw either, it is great too and deserves respect just because it's been out there longer than reflex. One guy saying some bullshit about one screenshot isn't reason enough to bash his game.

Damn, it looks like politics

Promeus did a great job on this map.

I got to watch him put the finishing touches on it a couple days ago while runnin around checkin it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znB3O4V0omM map looks sick wow

I enjoyed watching this a lot more than the other game posted above. Pretty much because the textures and outdoorsy feel.

I think reflex should have fast switch on the lowered tiered weapons. I don't want rail/lg/rocket to have fast switch.

I want going from the shotty/plasma/mg/axe/ to the other stronger guns to be instant and vice versa. But switching from rail to lg or lg to rocket should have delay.

Then they can be used a lot more to fuck up combos. I mean if you have a dude coming at you with lg and rocket and all you have is plasma/shotty. Then you should get raped. But if you can instant that combo from plasma to shotty and back to plasma if hes bouncing you away. Then it gets more dynamic.

I don't like instant for the big guns, because then people will always instant switch to them instead of the lowered tier because its the same timing. So no incentive to get creative.

(havent played reflex so dunno if this can work)

My only real complain is about the plasma gun. It's my fav weapon in Quake3/QL and it feels so weak in Reflex. I know they don't want it to become an insta game, but +2-3 dmg for plasma is needed for sure. Also the projectiles are unlagged too, which might be a weird feeling for somebody who played Quake for a long time, at least it feels weird for me with the RL (don't get me wrong, it feels really great, just different and I'm not used to it)

Ye, rl feels much different than in ql. Still haven't figured it out tbh, but truth be told, I don't play so much reflex in the first place.

The best description would be that it feels like how to RG feels in QL, it has an unlagged "taste". I can see in the videos how good the others are with it, so it's probably me being lame or too used to Quake's awesome RL feel.

hyperblaster in q2 was cooller.

Sorry in advance for all the fans (and please accept my apology), but I can't say a single thing about Q2 what I liked. I spent a few months with it and I dropped it for good. I went straight to Q3 from Q1/QW (and even Q3 felt shit after the "real" Quake, but I fell in love with CTF and got used to it fast).

Yeah q2 did that to a lot of folks. I grew up on playin quake lan and never played online till q2. If anyone had told me about qw i probably would have been stuck on it instead.

All of the quakes rock. I think a lot less of q3 but it was a good game too.

I think the creative part that saves your life in this setup is learning to not engage in certain situations and knowing how to haul ass.

Even if you escape a situation with 2 hp, you kept them from scoring, and you have items to steal.

Fast weapon switch cpm style movement is not for the meek.