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Posted by outlaw @ 18:12 CST, 6 December 2007 - iMsg

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Edited by walter at 14:29 CST, 20 January 2009 - 1032361 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 18:28 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

netrex

Same thing as in Q3 and to some extent in Q4 I think.

Good gameplay, fast movement that takes a bit of time to learn, balanced weapons. Good maps. No remakes!

And also out-of-the-box competitive features :P

Good support for movie making, like camera support, proper GUI for exporting footage at desired FPS. Ability to select what kind of items to show and how +++

Some of the old models. They're a big part of the feeling Quake has. Their sounds as well of course.

<< Comment #1474 @ 13:46 CST, 22 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (pD95DD982.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #1

a fragreplay like cod2 would be very n1

<< Comment #2 @ 18:43 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Q3+CPMA features with matchmaking etc.

Edited by nemecel at 18:44 CST, 6 December 2007

<< Comment #3 @ 18:51 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

jonte

ztn, dm6, perhaps t4?
railgun = 100 dmg
picmip 5
an ingame serverbrowser that is actually useful
keel/pm

Edited by jonte at 18:54 CST, 6 December 2007

<< Comment #18 @ 01:46 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

By

raithza - Reply to #3

We already have q3

<< Comment #290 @ 04:14 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

By

Aquashark ' - Reply to #3

We already have q3

<< Comment #293 @ 06:55 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

By

randomness666 - Reply to #3

We already have q3

<< Comment #318 @ 08:21 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #3

I wish we could still [-] ppl on esr..

Edited by xerosawyer at 08:21 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #351 @ 11:52 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

By

BalkanFM - Reply to #318

i wish i could smash heads over the internet

<< Comment #366 @ 15:09 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #351

dont be a nazi.

<< Comment #821 @ 08:01 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #3

what is picmip?
edit: Ok, I've just learned what picmip is, and why on earth you'd ever want 5 of them is beyond me.

Also, for the record, forceambient in Q4 looks infinitely better for essentially the same result.

If this game runs well on machines with 64mb video cards and 1.3ghz single core processors, then ONLY the people with those computers would even WANT to play it. And for the most part, they're too poor to buy anything provided by the would-be advertisers that would fund the games distribution.

So it's lose/lose.

Edited by eXg. f0cus at 09:36 CST, 25 December 2007

<< Comment #828 @ 09:41 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #821

picmip and forceambient do two different things...

<< Comment #832 @ 10:22 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #828

Ok, granted they do two different things. But are they different means to the same end?
As in, is it for visibility improvements? if so, then it serves the same purpose as forceambient does. Even if it's for an FPS improvement it's doing the same thing.

If it's solely for fps then... ewwwwww

If it's for visibility, there are better solutions.

<< Comment #876 @ 07:32 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #832

Forceambient and picmip are nowhere near the same.

Forceambient creates a single ambient lightsource which does away with all the expensive FPS hogging lights which cast shadows and make it hard to see in a fps online game.
It has no impact on the detail of textures.
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Picmip lowers the quality of the textures so they appear less detailed and allows an opponent to stand out more from the background.

It's one of the primary commands for visibility so I'm curious when you say they are better solutions, because one without the other are useless.

gamma <no impact on fps, good visibility gain>
picmip <small impact on fps, good visibility gain>
forceambient <huge impact on fps, good imapct on vis>
brightskins <no impact on fps, huge impact on visibility>

<< Comment #877 @ 08:13 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #876

They're nowhere near the same in their own right, but again, you're still showing me that it's a different means to the same end.
What happened when i investigated was that i discovered that picmip essentially made the whole thing look smudged.
Why would you want this? Either for visibility purposes, FPS increase, or both.
Well, imo forceambient does both of those things. I don't notice any FPS increase, but that's probably because of my computer. But I do notice a big increase in visibility with the particular settings I use. Forceambient+Brightskins (which are a given, as far as I'm concerned), = Oodles of visibility.
So while yes, they are two completely different things, could you essentially substitute one for the other?
I think so.

<< Comment #878 @ 08:22 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #877

forceambient is more compareable to vertexlight than to anything else.

<< Comment #882 @ 11:32 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #878

Yeah i know, i use vertex in Q3 because it doesn't have the forceambient option, but if it did, I'd choose that.
Part of why I brought it up is in the hopes that the new game has forceambient.

<< Comment #884 @ 11:36 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #882

wtf, where is the difference in forceambient and vertex?

from what i know they just tried to get the same thing with forceambient done what vertexlight did, meaning everything has the same brightness and no shadows and such stuff.

So why would you want forceambient in q3 when its already there...?

<< Comment #885 @ 11:48 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #884

you can select either vertex or forceambient in Q4, and the washed out look that the vertex lighting gives is actually a hindrance in visibility in comparison to the forceambient.
Similar to my complaint about picmip.

I'm not at all suggesting that any options NOT be available. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying that they're a poor alternative to a superior configuration option. I'm not saying don't allow picmip, or don't allow vertex, but when I can't tell the depth from one wall to the next (when trying out picmip), then it's a damn good thing i already know the map, or else I'd be s.o.l.

From what I've seen, the only game that gets the -0 texture right without thoroughly compromising clarity of surface location (not the pretty little details and wall art, but actually how far from it my opponent is), is Quakeworld. I can play with the all pink walls and see where everything is just fine in that. In Q4 i have a similar setup.

Edit: Also, as for the difference between Vertex and Forceambient, is that Vertex lighting also affects the opponent, so that for all the lighting simplicity of the walls and floor and ceiling, the opponent is also *somewhat camouflaged into it. Whereas in Forceambient the opponent remains a VERY bright green against the much darker walls around them.
I'll update my posted config when i get off of work so that you can see what I'm talking about.
Also, is your Q3 config available? I may be getting completely different results than you are.

Edited by eXg. f0cus at 12:10 CST, 27 December 2007

<< Comment #886 @ 12:05 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #885

my q3 config is in my profile, i dont have q4 installed and wont install it ;)

Edited by noctis at 12:05 CST, 27 December 2007

<< Comment #887 @ 12:10 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #886

:P

<< Comment #915 @ 05:18 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ - Reply to #885

BTW, r_vertexlight in q4max isnt really vertex lighting - it was named that way because it was similar to it, to help q3'ers understand its purpose without having to explain to them what a global ambient light is.

Q4max r_vertexlight and r_forceAmbient are basically the same, apart from the fact that forceAmbient turns off all lights, where as r_vertexlight turns off only map lights, so leaves things like projectile + powerup lights alone.

Q3 vertex light uses the lighting information stored in each vertex (hence the name) when it was compiled. This gets rid of most shadow effects in the map (because they're not generally at vertices) although does not remove all lighting from the level, unlike the q4 ambient light solutions.

<< Comment #880 @ 10:31 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #877

well its just another tool in the quest for better visibility.

Most people <on this site> who play this game online don't care about the graphics, they want smooth FPS and good visibility because it suits the level they play at. I.E. fairly high, reaction based. Every miliscond counts- especially with guns like railgun.

If you have high detail texture maps it makes it harder to see ,which costs reaction time which is basically ping/lag> that why most use higher picmip because it's givs more FPS and more visibility.

Also when q4 came out I doubt the average gaming rig was much more than an AMD 3400, with something like a 6600/6800 GT. the game bombed bigtime because of that, read ESR from 2005 and see for yourself..

So when you say that, what you're really saying to most people is why do you want to take longer to react to opponent, make less ipressive shots and lose frames.

That's the mindset of most quakers, it's little things like that, that's why its the hardest game to win at.

<< Comment #881 @ 10:45 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #880

?? I play with forceambient on and no bumpmaps on a computer that scores over 13k in 3dmark06.
I play crysis smoothly at 1280x960 on very high settings

BUT, I play q4, and qw at 800x600 because my NEC Multisync fe992 gets 160hz at that resolution, so I have a higher screen-refresh than any LCD will ever be capable of (within the next decade at least)

And when i started playing Q4, I was on an AMD 4000+ and a 7900GT (came out around the same time as Q4 did)

So I fully understand the need for reaction times and visibility. I'm just saying that picmip is the ugliest way to get the job done, because the solutions to the same actual problems, (FPS/Visibility), has improved a lot since the late 90's.

edit: I actually play all of my competitive fps games at 800x600, not just q4 and qw, also d3, r1q2, q3, pk, etc.
I play UT3 at 1600x1200, and I play single player games like HL2 and Portal at 2048x1536.

2nd edit: That came off more defensively than i meant for it to. All I was really getting at was that i totally understand the desire for higher fps and better visibility, and my config does an exceptional job at both.

Edited by eXg. f0cus at 10:53 CST, 27 December 2007

<< Comment #883 @ 11:34 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #881

if its so ugly then dont fucking use it.

but dont prevent ppl who actually like playing with it from doing so. thx.

<< Comment #924 @ 08:18 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #881

Picmip gives the game a nice look IMO, and I can't imagine playing Q3 without it. High picmip in Q3 gives a similar look to very low compressionsize for textures in Q4, so it is very different from forceambient. Most quake players want a clean look without too much details on the walls, models etc.

<< Comment #1230 @ 09:37 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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magnum_ - Reply to #3

railgun != 100 dmg
sliding from q4 is nice, but i don't really like the ramp jumps

Edited by magnum_ at 09:39 CST, 3 January 2008

<< Comment #4 @ 19:04 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

Torzelan '

Antilag option.

<< Comment #5 @ 19:06 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

graumull

no punkbuster please

<< Comment #17 @ 00:26 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #5

I disagree. It just needs an option to turn it off on a server.

For matches between teams and duels it's definately bettre when switched off. But for newbies who start out with ffa it won't work cause there will almost always be idiots who will use cheats on pubs. Especially if they can get them easily.

<< Comment #58 @ 10:13 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #17

he didn't say no cheat protection, he just said no punkbuster.. there has to be better protection out there than the laggy shitbuster

<< Comment #78 @ 10:52 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Liam - Reply to #17

pb_sv_disable / pb_sv_restart?

<< Comment #756 @ 10:38 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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chzzen - Reply to #5

I agree and hope for a own system like the battle.net uses without much client or system requirements.

<< Comment #6 @ 19:09 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

mefajpE^

good netcode, quake weapons and gameplay, user friendly, cpma/gtv/matchmaking system features from "the box" (tho it's gonna be free)

Edited by Optimus Prime at 19:09 CST, 6 December 2007

<< Comment #7 @ 19:35 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

manic

Graphics update, built in recamming/rewinding/fast forwarding etc.

<< Comment #8 @ 19:41 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

By

cumrag

no web browser shit. a standalone like et.

<< Comment #30 @ 04:46 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #8

what makes you think it would be based on web browsers?

<< Comment #44 @ 08:31 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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mammon - Reply to #30

he misunderstood the Carmack keynote speech like zillion of other people

Edited by nvck at 08:32 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #47 @ 08:40 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #44

you need a browser to play it, thats a fact.

SyncError:

In windowed mode, it runs just as smooth as if you had alt-enter'd your Q3 but instead of being able to drag the window around, the game is be embeded to the QuakeZero website from which you launched the game (you may drag that window around if you wish).

Edited by noctis at 08:41 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #50 @ 09:02 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #47

Just because it can be launched from the website doesn't mean that it implicitly requires a webbrowser or that launching mechanism. The game is embedded to the website, when its launched from the site.

Everyone should wait for more details before throwing facts around.

<< Comment #53 @ 09:14 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #50

well, hmm, i just thought when its embedded in a webbrowser it will most likely need one to play ;)

<< Comment #57 @ 10:12 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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MUNG>esh - Reply to #53

w-e-b-s-i-t-e

is not

w-e-b-b-r-o-w-s-e-r

<< Comment #106 @ 11:55 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #57

"O K"

<< Comment #124 @ 12:20 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #57

well, finally u need a webbrowser to show up a website?

<< Comment #189 @ 10:23 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #124

Does that make steam.exe a web browser because it can display and fetch webpages? :(((((((

<< Comment #193 @ 10:33 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #189

i surf ze web with winamp !!!

<< Comment #208 @ 12:07 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #189

yep, but with less functions.

<< Comment #59 @ 10:14 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #50

we're all impatiently waiting for more details on this game :)

<< Comment #65 @ 10:32 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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manic - Reply to #47

When could we expect more news Sync? :D

<< Comment #116 @ 12:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

By

graumull - Reply to #65

17 minutes ... um nevermind

<< Comment #9 @ 19:49 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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sonic

all new maps with the q3 gothic style textures, no spaceships
no double fire nonsense, keep the q3 style weapons and don't even think about adding the napalm gun from q4
no air control or insta weapon switch
more than one damn model with the same irritating sounds
slide would be nice, but i guess they're not going to include it

<< Comment #822 @ 08:03 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #9

NO NAPALM GUN.

<< Comment #10 @ 19:49 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Forgot to add something that if QZ doesn't has by default, it will instantly FAIL.

And that is:

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You got it Syncerror?

Thanks.

<< Comment #51 @ 09:03 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #10

wha?

<< Comment #104 @ 11:55 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #10

no what we need is A NETCODE THATS BETTER THAN THE CPMA NETCODE

<< Comment #109 @ 12:01 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #104

Is that possible?

<< Comment #118 @ 12:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #109

not sure. but It's better to find out than not to.

<< Comment #119 @ 12:14 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #118

Totally agree. But I think CPMA netcode is pushing the limits of our connections already. But yeah, everything can be improved. Syncerror, just get Carmack to look into CPMA's netcode and tell him to improve it, thats the solution.

<< Comment #190 @ 10:24 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #119

Didn't know JC was a networking specialist.

<< Comment #324 @ 08:41 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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jonte - Reply to #190

he is, he once setup a lan with over 100 clients. he is also responsible for the iD hotspot surf zone

<< Comment #340 @ 10:40 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #324

I guess with networking I meant how to push the bits and bytes over the internets most efficiently, not how to create networks. :(

Edited by Pushpabon at 10:41 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #343 @ 10:57 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #340

John Carmack is a master of everything, whats your point?

<< Comment #765 @ 02:23 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #343

Surprise post::

Is he a master of dumping on chicks?

<< Comment #770 @ 08:50 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #765

With so much money, he sure can.

<< Comment #815 @ 18:14 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #340

he did write the whole networking part of (at least, but maybe all) most of his engines. So that at least means he knows something about it. I know he was one of the first to write a tcp/ip connection for gameing (q1).

<< Comment #823 @ 08:05 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #815

yup. quakeworld was his idea, after all.

<< Comment #1039 @ 06:26 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #815

i thought nerve software did the netcodes for most of id's games?

<< Comment #1008 @ 10:55 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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.syL - Reply to #109

arQon once mentioned that given enough time, he could improve CPMA's netcode by about the same magnitude that its current netcode was an improvement over OSP, though of course I can't tell how accurate that is

<< Comment #1370 @ 22:55 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #1008

I recall "it's as good as it's going to get"

<< Comment #11 @ 20:51 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge '

PunkBuster

<< Comment #12 @ 21:05 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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CLains

q3 gameplay + cooller, lexer, fatal1ty, zero4, czm, unkind.. :o

Edited by CPLains at 21:06 CST, 6 December 2007

<< Comment #13 @ 21:09 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #12

correct correct correct.

<< Comment #14 @ 23:35 CST, 6 December 2007 >>

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cumrag

vehicles. tons of them.

<< Comment #98 @ 11:39 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #14

hahaha

<< Comment #214 @ 12:50 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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fuzz - Reply to #14

that would sell alot!

<< Comment #307 @ 07:39 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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met - Reply to #14

rotfl

<< Comment #15 @ 00:01 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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xgo

matchmaking + noob friendly menu

Edited by xgo at 14:36 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #137 @ 13:29 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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xgo - Reply to #15

+ mod support
+ sv_fps 50

<< Comment #146 @ 14:35 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #15

ut is noob friendly and its an epic fail, quake has never been noob friendly and thats why it is really great game... only problem is that novadays noobs are so pathetic ppl that they cannot be arsed to learn the game and then goes to play cs...

<< Comment #147 @ 14:37 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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xgo - Reply to #146

i ment the menu ;P

<< Comment #149 @ 14:54 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #147

well that yes =D

<< Comment #466 @ 08:41 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (212.235.186.230) - Reply to #15

bright skins..
Atleast one. I suggest green tankjr (like u did in q4 sync)

<< Comment #16 @ 00:02 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

By

f-shawn

matchmaking is essential

<< Comment #19 @ 01:54 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

- detailed tutorial for movement, shooting, tactics
- matchmaking system
- achievements system
- QuakeTV
- advanced demos capability (multiview demos, playing in browser, playback slider controls, slow-mo, fast-fw, scriptable camera system)
- multi-arena servers
- CPMA netcode

etc.

<< Comment #824 @ 08:07 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #19

I cannot stress enough how important that is. The movement tutorial. If there is no movement tutorial, or at least a defrag map included automatically, then it's gonna go the same route as everything else that requires skill, and it's gonna be left behind.

<< Comment #20 @ 02:24 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis

all the things already announced in a way or another ;P

+ cpma netcode
+ raildmg 80/70 or 75 or smth like that.

and the most important: no crouchsliding.

Edited by noctis at 03:29 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #21 @ 02:37 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #20

Right on

<< Comment #60 @ 10:15 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #20

awesome, a q3 player wanting lower rail damage.. this is a good sign

<< Comment #107 @ 11:56 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #60

=)

<< Comment #382 @ 23:38 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #60

rail whine coming from a q2 player...:x

<< Comment #206 @ 12:05 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Sub_ - Reply to #20

i like crouchsliding :(

<< Comment #212 @ 12:30 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #206

nobody is perfect. :)

<< Comment #1224 @ 21:53 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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_agu - Reply to #212

hahahaha

<< Comment #22 @ 02:59 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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astz!

dodging!

lol lol lol lol lo lolo l2l1o2llz

<< Comment #28 @ 04:34 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #22

as long as strafejumping stays thats fine ;P

<< Comment #776 @ 20:52 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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eVeNfLoW - Reply to #22

shock rifle llozlozlzozl

<< Comment #23 @ 03:18 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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svr

From what I understood from SyncError QuakeZero will use VQ3 movement.

I think we can expect a game very similar to VQ3 with perhaps some minor tweaks, most likely decreased railgun damage.

Personally I would like a bit faster circlejump en crouchsliding. Basically Quake 4 movement and of course octogonial hitboxes.

On the technical side of thing:

sv_fps 50 and com_max fps 150 instead of 30 - 125 and CPM netcode.

<< Comment #56 @ 10:04 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #23

you can set com_maxfps 150 if you want to already?

<< Comment #113 @ 12:08 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #56

yeah but servers run at 30fps usually so while your rendering is smooth, the 'game' is lacking somewhat (30fps is smooth for a server but it could be even smoother :) )

<< Comment #236 @ 06:04 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #113

dont think its needed tbh

remember the good old days with sv_fps 20 in ra3 :D

<< Comment #237 @ 06:18 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #236

there's never been good days in ra3, only old days ;>

<< Comment #240 @ 09:42 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #237

:(

<< Comment #191 @ 10:27 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #56

Online it's capped to 125 and it's tied to the netcode afaik.

<< Comment #24 @ 03:43 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi

no mod support, to not to split community and not let arqon to fuck up something, again

Edited by Xsi at 03:44 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #29 @ 04:36 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #24

hell, no.

<< Comment #63 @ 10:28 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #29

Well, the "to not split community" makes sense. I don't want again the CPMA vs OSP retards batttle. (plus RA, etc).

<< Comment #117 @ 12:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #63

just make it cpma, it covers all other mods xD (besides jump height/accel for vq3 :-/)

<< Comment #121 @ 12:16 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #117

as long as it is QZ core, and not QZ+downloaded CPMA.

A solution for the VQ3 issue: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1478574

<< Comment #123 @ 12:20 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #121

your link takes me back to this thread, where should it point to?

<< Comment #128 @ 12:34 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #123

Comment #89

<< Comment #1252 @ 08:20 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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raw - Reply to #121

No offense but the player pool for OSP or RA3 back when quake was active was huge compared to CPMA, so all this pro CPMA stuff for qz is a little ott imo. Yes it has nice netcode but CPMA was far far far from everyones cup of tea.

<< Comment #144 @ 14:29 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #63

yes it makes sense, but so far almost every game has become better with mods.
The only real exception is warcraft / starcraft but that is because blizzards support is exceptional.

Not to take anything away from id but without mods their games would be not as good as they are today.

<< Comment #153 @ 15:30 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #144

Yes. Then lets make this the first awesome "out of the box" id game. If Syncerror reports everything to the people working on QZ, we have it.

<< Comment #1246 @ 20:09 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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wrl - Reply to #153

taking only the true 3d games into consideration, quake was awesome out of the box. q3 wasn't too bad either. q2 and q4 needed a little help.

<< Comment #1621 @ 22:03 CDT, 13 March 2008 >>

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ashr - Reply to #144

even warcraft became much better with a mod. dota.

<< Comment #1622 @ 07:14 CDT, 14 March 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #1621

I actually play dota more than the original, too. But I think it really it is a different game.
Warcraft for it's own gameplay did not need a competition mod.

<< Comment #1623 @ 07:27 CDT, 14 March 2008 >>

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ashr - Reply to #1622

err i was joking :/

<< Comment #1624 @ 07:34 CDT, 14 March 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #1623

oops

<< Comment #1625 @ 08:57 CDT, 14 March 2008 >>

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ashr - Reply to #1624

dota is more fun though :)

<< Comment #874 @ 05:51 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Cloud - Reply to #63

things like RA should be inherently part of QZ, ie. like in cpma theres an RA option.

<< Comment #1040 @ 06:31 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #24

Did you ever play Quake 3: Arena and tried to play a tournament in it? Guess not. Mods are essential to keep development going after an unfinished game goes gold.

<< Comment #1041 @ 06:36 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #1040

if there will be all tournament features included what do you need mods for ?

Edit: you replied to post other than i thought, sorry

Edited by Xsi at 06:38 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #25 @ 03:45 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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wocK_

good balanced gameplay with no luck involved at all.

then the sill levels and how much time you've put in trying to be

pokemon tune :

'the very best'

<< Comment #26 @ 03:54 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #25

good balanced gameplay with no luck involved at all.

you want QZ to be chess? you can't exclude luck from any real time FPS since you can always spam a hallway with projectiles and get a lucky frag.

Edited by Aquashark at 03:54 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #27 @ 04:02 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #26

yeah

i know that but less spam that ut. quake 3 is prefect tho but an update and fresh blood with be fantastic.

but the gaming juggernauts with the fancy graphics and huge marketing budgets drown the gameplay. :((

<< Comment #31 @ 05:36 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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elbo

-HighRes and Detailed enemy models(KLESK with Higher Poly count and HR Textures would be cool)
-if id made new Maps please stick to the Gothic Theme
-crouch sliding (can�t play without it anymore :P)
- a player base up to 10000 people(thats up to us i guess)

<< Comment #32 @ 06:23 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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GUArd

q2+q3+cpma netcode = QZ!

<< Comment #33 @ 07:14 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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tzz

- CPMA bugfixes
- CPMA netcode (most important thing)
- Maybe add double and ramp jumping (easy tricks, newbie friendly, wouldn't change gameplay by much)
- Updated HUD, something useful with the weapon list, etc
- Newbie friendly: including matchmaking, good default settings, non intrusive muzzleflashes and blood splatters, menu configuration for everything, movement, weapons and gameplay tutorials, etc
- Tweak the hitscan weapons
- Nice brightskins

<< Comment #36 @ 07:56 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #33

Why CPMA bugfixes for something with Tech 5 engine?

Isn't Quake Zero the game that will come later? And the website controlled game is the one which will have an overhauled Q3-engine to be more responsive and a little better graphics than Q3?

Edited by netrex at 08:33 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #38 @ 08:11 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #36

i think that you replied to me by mistake ;), but QZ is website controlled game

Edited by netrex at 08:33 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #41 @ 08:24 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #38

No, not by mistake :)

I just thought that Quake Zero would be the Tech 5 game, and I didn't know the name for the Q3-engine web browser controlled game :)

<< Comment #43 @ 08:27 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #41

but you mentioned CPMA bugfixes so i thought you wanted reply to #33 ;)

<< Comment #45 @ 08:32 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #43

Aha, yes I did :P hehe sorry about that *editing*.

<< Comment #48 @ 08:40 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #45

no problem m8 :)

<< Comment #46 @ 08:33 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #38

Hehe, and then I edited your post instead of mine :P sorry about that. I'm less here today than I am here usually. I think it's all correct now though =)

<< Comment #39 @ 08:15 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #36

quake zero is the q3 in webbrowser game thingy on idtech3

the game on idtech 5 will be the next quake arena titel.

<< Comment #40 @ 08:23 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #39

Ok. I thought Quake Zero would be the the Tech 5 game, and I didn't know the name for the Q3-engine web browser controlled game :)

<< Comment #34 @ 07:27 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi

- models from all quakes (ok maybe without q4)
- rg damage 100
- weaponswitch speed same as q3 (shafting than trying to finish with rail in q4 was almost impossible, same with rl than rg in the air)
- all OSP feautures
- no crouchsliding
- gothic/gore textures instead q4 techno style
- ...

damn just make a q3 with integrated osp and a little better graphic

<< Comment #64 @ 10:32 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #34

Incorrect. All CPMA features, OSP is a dead mod.

<< Comment #72 @ 10:41 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #64

argh, i wrote osp because i dont want any arqons "fixed" physics or spawnsystems, only huds and all tournament stuff and this is what osp had before cpma. Understood ?

<< Comment #77 @ 10:51 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #72

Honestly, its a very good idea to fix what is broken, including the physics. If your only argument is in how those fixes are made, then fine... but I consider fixing legacy issues a high priority and imagine that most would agree.

<< Comment #92 @ 11:22 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #77

I didnt say that i dont want fixes, just dont want the way arqon solved it. I beleve ID can fix everything in a diffrent way not changing physic as much as he did. Just read nemecels reply to my post, he wrote about unmodified vq3 physic, this is what every q3 player loved and we dont want to loose it. Remember, it wasnt broken, for us it was perfect ! I hope that you will get my point.

<< Comment #142 @ 14:16 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #92

Actually arQ didn't change the physics, the fix used the correct 85 FPS physics that id intended. Players changed the physics by using the 125 FPS bug and then assume that that's correct and normal. It's not as you can see on the various jump pads that no longer send you to the right place with 125 FPS.

Edited by ix-ir at 14:16 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #143 @ 14:26 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #142

The question is whether players want the physics as they are at 85 FPS (but fixed, so that they can run at 125fps) or if like CPM, they want the physics fixed and then slightly adjusted to behave more like 125FPS physics do on the broken system.

Edited by SyncError at 14:26 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #161 @ 17:29 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #143

The good one :D

<< Comment #174 @ 21:43 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (f049075088.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #143

there is no doubt that all players would prefer a system which is the most responsive and fixed at the same time.

if that is not possible, i think most prefer the more responsive one with 1 or 2 small faults in it afaik, as long as it is known what faults are.
i think its important to find a solution which fits both parties this time

<< Comment #194 @ 10:36 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #174

Its not a question of responsiveness. It really comes down to whether we increase a jumpheight variable so that you can jump higher than you're supposed to -- mimicking the effect of what happens when you were 'bugged' at 125 fps.

<< Comment #217 @ 20:29 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #194

yes you should definitely emulate the OSP 125fps feeling as close as possible

<< Comment #286 @ 01:02 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #217

I like the extra challenge in b2r and some other semi-difficult jumps. Q3 is easy as it is, some challenges are nice :)

Edit: And CPMA VQ3 feels very solid too me, don't miss OSP movement at all. If you want it faster, you can alyways increase player/jumpspeed by a couple percent.

Edited by Twist` at 01:03 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #345 @ 11:07 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #217

I was always for the OSP 125 FPS feeling but once I went back after a lot of CPMA VQ3 I noticed how bad it really felt in terms of how floaty and inconsistent it was.

<< Comment #226 @ 00:01 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #194

according to arqon that's impossible to do :(

<< Comment #331 @ 09:10 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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injx - Reply to #226

its only imposible without changing the gravity or jump velocity, which would technically be altering vq3, rather than just fixing it.

Edited by injx at 09:10 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #1680 @ 13:08 CDT, 22 March 2009 >>

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Anonymous (71-38-176-127.cdrr.qwest.net) - Reply to #331

Can't arQ just add a voted option for the jump increase?
He doesn't want to break vq3 which is good, but why not let people choose on a per match basis?
-turbofunk

<< Comment #332 @ 09:14 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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injx - Reply to #194

imo the answer to that question depends on how you alter the player movement. if it stays as vq3 then increasing the jump height a little to compensate would be good (not all the way up to 125-style which is too floaty). in fact if you did this by increase jump velocity rather than decrease gravity, it would have the desired effect without making the whole game feel too floaty.

on the other hand if the movement is made faster then there is no need for any increase.

Edited by injx at 09:51 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #713 @ 19:10 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #194

"125 FPS" gets my vote. There is still a lot of people playing OSP for that very reason, even though CPMA is superior in every way, so that would seem to be very important thing, to get that crowd behind this.

<< Comment #421 @ 12:34 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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c1nd3r - Reply to #143

125OSP strafe height physics is more FUN than cpma strafing -except cpma strafes are 'lagless' so you hardly make errors, and seem to strafe faster than in OSP. But osp jump height was higher/further or so.

<< Comment #1642 @ 06:43 CDT, 28 March 2008 >>

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Strammer Max - Reply to #77

This 125-"bug" is in there since YEARS! And now, as everybody got used to it and consider it a feature -- NOT a bug -- you want to "fix" it?
I never will understand such a stupid move. >;(
You should had did it as it was discovered. Now it is WAY too late to do it. Why, you think, cpma-"vq3" was not such a success?
If you like to unite the VQ3 community, then do not touch the physics FFS! Why the hell seems that so pretty damn hard to be understood?
It's a mystery!

<< Comment #81 @ 10:55 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #72

Yes. At this point, I can't care anymore about the difference between original VQ3 physics (OSP) or fixed ones on CPMA. Anyway, I must admit original VQ3 physics have that bit of "extra punch" that makes you feel go faster arround the map, specially in the first 2 jumps when you start strafejumping, but theres no point to play OSP only because of that, when you have all the countless features that make CPMA a superior mod.

The problem with this is that CPMA ones are the fixed ones, which means everyone can jump the same lenght at any FPS. At the same time you get rid of physic bugs like overbounces. Now, this is the "correct" thing to do, but you lose that "feel" original VQ3 physics have.

The perfect solution for this should be the "emulated 125 FPS physics", where you have the fixed, correct CPMA ones, but you force the game to go that bit faster CPMA VQ3 physics are lacking. I don't know how this can be reached technically, but I guess is possible.

If this is done, you have everyone happy: the ones that don't play CPMA VQ3 because of that, and the rest (the rest being the ones that doesn't care about the difference.)

<< Comment #93 @ 11:23 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #81

You get my point perfectly.

<< Comment #1042 @ 06:40 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #81

if people discard a game solely because of this, then they would do so over any other little thing too, e.g. it would be inevitable anyways. Fix it, live with it.

<< Comment #1064 @ 12:36 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1042

Yes, but you know, OSP retards.

<< Comment #166 @ 19:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #34

u want the rg dmg to be 100? :s

<< Comment #182 @ 05:02 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #166

ofcourse, in q3 rg damage is 100 and nobody complains on it

<< Comment #183 @ 05:17 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #182

not true :|

<< Comment #186 @ 05:51 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #183

I'm playing this game for 6 years and only last time someone wanted to lower damage, i suppose it is beacause changes in q4 and cpma. It is something like: "omg q4 has lowered damage so i want it to in cpma, please please dev team do it". Before this, noone was complaining, and game was called "best balanced game ever". Am I wrong ?

<< Comment #192 @ 10:31 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #186

since everyone is railing 50+ % rail nowdays even online cause of the lan like netcode of cpma it got really overpowered and annoying during the last 2 years.

<< Comment #199 @ 11:47 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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FTY - Reply to #192

So let's hope for a shitty netcode :)

<< Comment #200 @ 11:51 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #199

....

<< Comment #218 @ 20:30 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #200

he was joking :D

<< Comment #320 @ 08:30 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #186

Poles should have no input on q0.... NONE.

<< Comment #335 @ 09:35 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #320

beacause ?

<< Comment #352 @ 12:08 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #182

just play osp then if its that perfect silly pole

<< Comment #355 @ 13:01 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #352

rotfl just read all replies and stfu, pakistan wtf ?

Edited by Xsi at 13:02 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #35 @ 07:46 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

also
- pro graphics preset, but with simple solid textures like in QW that you pick colour for (r_wallcolour, r_floorcolor).

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3378/flateo2.jpg

Q3 with picmip looks like molten plastic and sux.

- brightskins for players and items
- hud editor powered by drag & drop

<< Comment #66 @ 10:33 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #35

r_picmip 5 vertex lighthing quake 3 is perfect, without all the stupid shadows qw has.

<< Comment #88 @ 11:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #66

no shadows involved in what i proposed.. you totally missed the point.

i was referring to an alternative for r_picmip like picking a distinct solid colour (that doesn't look like shit and plastic smeared all over the map) that only affects walls & floors (not models like in Q3) making the game crisp without looking like it's a hacked version of it or played with screwy gfx drivers.

r_floorcolor R G B
r_wallcolor R G B

but hey what do i know... you're the grand master q3 fanboy
i like stoopid qw shadows and shit.. jeez

Edited by Aquashark at 11:12 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #95 @ 11:28 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #88

I know what you mean. But I can live with current r_picmip 5 with vertex lighting. You can use nomip to keep the stuff you want r_picmip'd 0. If what you say is added, good, as long as you can continue using r_picmip 5+r_vertexligthing 1+cg_nomip combinations.

<< Comment #112 @ 12:06 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #88

only problem beeing, what do you do with all the curved surfaces?

qw didnt have that problem :P

<< Comment #402 @ 06:52 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #112

your point? no matter how curved the walls are, they are still walls.

<< Comment #404 @ 07:09 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #402

what about the curves that go from being a wall into being a floor or ceiling ?;)

<< Comment #406 @ 07:59 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #404

qw has curves, but not as smooth as q3
so this would happen:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6529/ezquake004largewo4.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4655/ezquake005largeca4.jpg

some arches would have mixed colours, not a big deal.

Edited by Aquashark at 08:01 CST, 11 December 2007

<< Comment #407 @ 08:15 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #406

looks cool, me wants ;D

<< Comment #409 @ 08:25 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #407

nquake.com ;P

<< Comment #410 @ 08:38 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #409

* in quake zero ;/

<< Comment #577 @ 07:10 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #406

Those aren't curves though, they are built manually into a curved shape, and you can calculate each face easily there if its to be counted as a ceiling or a wall, a true bezier curve ala q3's would be a bit harder I would guess, although the game could possibly split the curve where it goes from a horizontal to vertical, but that might also require splitting up the bezier curve, which could lead to weird things when that part of the curve isn't on the grid, and needs a vertex right there in order to split it. Hmza, tough one, this :D.

<< Comment #584 @ 08:09 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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azmo - Reply to #406

Yes please let us choose our own wall and floor colorings, the grey walls and floors makes me sad :(

<< Comment #175 @ 21:44 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (f049075088.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #35

wallcolor only as an option, not replacing the standard picmip settings. so the same way as the qw engines went !

because some like picmip 3 and some like a flat wall.
and when speaking about a flat wall - the polygon count has to go from high to very low (if possible nearly as low as in quake1, a fast engine it has to be)

<< Comment #585 @ 08:10 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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veal - Reply to #35

> (r_wallcolour, r_floorcolor)
i like it :D
was planning to modify my q3 client to support this but didn't yet find the motivation, i only quickly glanced at the code but couldn't find the right spot to do it :<

<< Comment #37 @ 07:57 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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mefajpE^

I want to remind all of you that QZ will be free, so I wouldn't expect that much out of it, since QZ will be only a "beta test" for Quake Arena. Hopefully I'm wrong though and they'll do a hell of a good game.

Edited by Optimus Prime at 07:58 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #42 @ 08:25 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #37

I have high expectations, and I think the will be met. For there to be any reason for this to exist, it will have to be very good. And I'm quite sure it will be.

<< Comment #69 @ 10:36 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #37

I have no idea how in hell a game based on idtech 3 is a betatest for a game based on idtech 5.

<< Comment #75 @ 10:48 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #69

Features wise...

Gameriot: Can you tell some things about the new Quake Arena game?

Marty Stratton: Well, not really, *laughs*. It's in the infancy stage, just throwing around ideas and concepts for the next Quake Arena game. We're going to use QuakeZero as a beta test in deploying different systems, spectating ability, matchmaking, doing different tournaments, collecting data, all that stuff that goes into the game.

Click!

<< Comment #82 @ 10:56 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #75

I see.

<< Comment #80 @ 10:53 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #69

It's not a beta test of the game, its a test of the systems that can be applied toward the game.

<< Comment #424 @ 12:56 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #37

you know, ET is also for free. And look at the amount of players.

<< Comment #426 @ 13:16 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #424

yes, but that is a team based game that takes skill and it is overshadowed by n00b team games like CS/COD..

it's hardly fun if you don't play in a clan

Edited by Aquashark at 13:18 CST, 11 December 2007

<< Comment #444 @ 17:35 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #424

amount of players - yes.
professional tournaments with huge prize money - no.

You got the point?

<< Comment #759 @ 17:33 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #444

I think I missed that at your first post. But then again you didn't mention a word about price money or competitions.

<< Comment #1045 @ 06:47 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #444

So big tourmaments with big prizes is the reason you play games? Honestly if that is the case you should play Guitar Hero or world of warcraft maybe, or even warcraft 3.

<< Comment #49 @ 08:41 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis

but really, some more information from idsoftware would be nice :/

<< Comment #52 @ 09:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #49

Actually right now, you all carrying on these conversations is much more important than us providing you information to talk about.

I'd rather hear more about what you want so that we can try to better meet people's needs and beat people's expectations.

<< Comment #54 @ 09:17 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #52

ok

make it possible to play it offline in lans, just by copying it over from one pc to another.

<3

<< Comment #68 @ 10:34 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #52

How about a sticky official Quake Zero thread for that?

<< Comment #71 @ 10:40 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #68

I would love it if an admin made a sticky QZ thread for sandbox ideas.

<< Comment #83 @ 10:56 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #71

PM Nicky for that.

<< Comment #126 @ 12:26 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #71

made this one sticky as it already has so many replies, if you want a new thread just go ahead and start one, some admin will surely make it sticky/post news about it on the front page/whatever.

<< Comment #875 @ 06:01 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #71

rofl you cant satisfy everyone
whatever you are going to change, there will be whiners and maybe it will be the reason for q0 to fail like q4 did

for the "we dont want a second q3" whiners, go play ut3

<< Comment #953 @ 14:45 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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HamidoOs - Reply to #875

Q4's problem was that it couldn't satisfy ANYONE, not just the all-time whiners.

<< Comment #79 @ 10:53 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #52

To be honest, it's hard that this kind of conversations happen when there has been no information at all since the QuakeCon conference.

You should give people something to talk about, even if it's some silly press note full of PR crap. At least it would get published on all the gaming sites and discussion about it would arise everywhere.

<< Comment #84 @ 10:57 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #79

and the people who don't use esr.com will actually hear about it

<< Comment #89 @ 11:13 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #52

Yeah, I get what you are talking about. But you have to "hype" people to get them interested in the game, just to remember people the game is really coming out. Nothing since August is way too much. Just give us a bit of more details.

The thing that is A MUST to know before we start talking is mod support. 90% of success of QZ relies on that. Remember, if all kind of mods are supported, the idea of building a standard will just be never possible. CPMA vs OSP vs RA3 etc battles will go on forever, splitting the community, and now theres is a possibility to end that.

The perfect solution for this should be that QZ core had all of the CPMA features (netcode, MVD, hud customization, several bug fixes, support for arena type maps so we can have the RA3 players), plus all type of gameplays: CA, enhanced CTF experience ala ThreeWave, Freezetag, etc) with all the new stuff QZ will bring to make newbies start playing instantly *without looking for different mods*, specially the matchmaking feature, this will help alot keeping newbs on the game.

The idea is to have a core that has EVERYTHING to have the perfect VQ3 game experience. You must not need anything more, just going to the webpage, download, and start playing.

Edited by nemecel at 11:13 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #101 @ 11:46 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #89

yeah that would be so nice

<< Comment #157 @ 17:01 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #89

And pre-made huds for the lazy "OSP 4 LYFE" crowd.

<< Comment #55 @ 09:58 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex

Oh, don't forget the announcer from Q3. That's a must of course, and in the new Arena game as well :)

<< Comment #90 @ 11:15 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #55

Yeah, Q3 announcer>Q4 announcer. Also the hitsound. Don't change the hitsound, ffs.

Edited by nemecel at 11:16 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #94 @ 11:25 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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netrex - Reply to #90

Agreed. But the Q4 announcer isn't all bad still :)

<< Comment #96 @ 11:32 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #94

Yeah, but Q3 one sounds better. Q4 ones sounds way too forced. Like, "hey, lets re-make again all the announcer messages for Q4 for the sake of it". Plus it sounds less macho.

Edited by nemecel at 11:32 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #188 @ 10:18 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #96

I dig the female announcer in cpma

Such an icy voice

<< Comment #294 @ 06:58 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #188

sounds like a real bitch.

<< Comment #520 @ 02:01 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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link - Reply to #294

she's the hellchick you know.

<< Comment #522 @ 03:06 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #520

yep... :)

<< Comment #67 @ 10:33 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p50853EB2.dip.t-dialin.net)

Continuing the tradition of GNU/Linux client support would be nice.

<< Comment #131 @ 12:44 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #67

yup, this better be linux compatible!

<< Comment #61 @ 10:25 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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naymlis

i can't wait for this game.. im trying not to get my hopes up too high but i cant help it. already got my brother waiting for this game and asking me for any new info about it every chance he gets too (and he's a halo2 player).

a good matchmaking system is the important feature. I want it to be done well, that's about it..

little gameplay changes would be appreciated too (like lower rail damage).

crouch sliding would probably be neat too but I wouldn't mind if it doesn't make it in quakezero (and I don't think it would)

and of course GOOD NEW MAPS.. i think we're due for another classic map to get overplayed like edge or campgrounds were/are.

I'd also like to hear some official information to hold me off and get my hopes up more :)

<< Comment #70 @ 10:37 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #61

On a side note, since so many have brought up crouchsliding:

I'm not sold that crouchsliding is something that we want to carry on to future titles at all. I think its great in Q4, and as one of the only "new" things present, it makes all the difference in THAT product. But moving forward, I think there are a lot of better movement abilities we can embrace that may prove more enjoyable, balanced and conductive of exciting gameplay. Just look at the fact that most frag videos that attempt to highlight "the best of what is Quake" typically consist of air-rox, air-grenades, player pop-ups that lead to multiple combo hits... we like tossing our opponent around and beating the crap out of them before they can hit the ground. Crouchsliding is the complete opposite of what we find exciting in these movies. When someone is laminated to the floor its more difficult to hit them, more difficult to pop them up. I think in the movement department we still have a lot of room to explore, and we can do it in a way that feels like Quake. I <3 crouchsliding to death in Q4, but that doesn't mean that we should assume its the best game mechanic.

Edited by SyncError at 15:09 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #85 @ 10:57 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #70

Good to hear that :)

However, please, don't go to far with movement aspects. I mean nobody wants another warsow's dashing/wall jumping. Mastering strafe jumps is already really hard, since even now almost nobody can move as fast as Cooller and as smooth as Z4muZ in Q3.

Quake-ish feeling must remain the same.

Edited by Optimus Prime at 11:04 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #102 @ 11:48 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #85

my full beats are smooth as silk!

<< Comment #91 @ 11:19 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #70

Agree with #85 says. Don't add more gimmicks, VQ3 is art. Remember: "easy to learn, hard to master".

You have to think that almost no-one knows about strafejumping, just the hardcore players know about it. This is still a new feature to everyone outside ESR, you just need to explain strafejumping techniques, how the physics work with tutorials and demos etc so newbies don't think we are cheating.

Edited by nemecel at 11:23 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #105 @ 11:55 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #70

i like quake 3's strafejumps and smoothness feeling in the movement.. that mixed with quake 2's solid stair / double jumps and trick jump possibilities would be the best of both worlds i think :P

<< Comment #110 @ 12:02 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #105

agree

(OMFG ;D)

<< Comment #151 @ 15:24 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #105

yeah! Q2 double jumps and ramp jumps + q3 movement ( as i said before 1000 times) = SUPER! :) Q2 doublej and rampj so awesome, hard to master it (to do it perfect, not take YA in edge , jump on 2 box :D ) i mean, super hard jumps, much variables of movement on map, much ways there u can cut the way and so on... just look to q2 maps, for nub u must jumps 30 sec around the map, elite player will do it in 10 sec :) in q3 nub will do it in 30 sec, superio player will do it , let`s say in 25 sec :)..
Q2 was so popular, becoz of movement! Q3 of super balanced gameplay and a bit simples movement.. still we need Q2+Q3!

And no shit about RG damange 80 or .. railgun damage 10 YEARS WAS 100 , SO LET`S AGAIN PLAY 10 YEARS with 100! :P
(no shit about capslock!)

ps. with q2 doublejumps maps are much more customized, Q4 sux coz of croushsliding and to fast movement, all maps must be with big coridors, have long floor .. it`s became more like PK or WSW.. Q2 and q3 was super, coz you can choose your own style of game, you can play defensive, attack or combine all that stuff!in q4 u must attack, its more izi then defense!
we need water in map, like in q2 edge, it gives game realy good shit! we need elevators! they are slower then jumpads, but again they gives other tct and so on.. :)

Never played QW (20 mins ) can say about it much, may be it have much good stuff to add, but no AIR-CONTROL! :)

Edited by GUArd at 15:37 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #322 @ 08:35 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #151

how can you play qw for 20mins and come to the 'no air control' conclusion?

<< Comment #353 @ 12:37 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #322

coz played much cs :D wsw and cpm , some pk :) it`s cool but not for other q game :/, it`s my soliution :)

<< Comment #365 @ 15:08 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #353

tbh where do u play cpm never seen u on any servers or pickup chans :[

<< Comment #397 @ 03:57 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #365

i was not bad in vq3 long time :) so cpm was like for fun, never played competetive :) fake nick , random server and go :) or with friend on lan.. :)

<< Comment #310 @ 07:45 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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met - Reply to #105

i agree, double jump + q3 easy movements would be good

<< Comment #1374 @ 07:12 CST, 11 January 2008 >>

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raithza - Reply to #105

ever hear of CQ3?

<< Comment #156 @ 15:57 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #70

I would disagree, mainly because I play q4 with buttsliding, and i knock people up in the air all of the time. Thats like saying you only pop people in the air when they strafe jump. Most of the pop up shots made in q3 are when they are just dodging left to right or whatever and you land it perfectly at their feet and knock them up. Granted you can send people flying in the air when they strafe jump to; which is the same in Quake 4.Another reason why its good, is because its more advanced movement adding me diversity to the game.. in a good way.

In Quake 4's defense, people still strafe jump te majority of the time they just crouch slide to use it as a sling shot effect to build more speed.. which is a GOOD thing in my opinion.

Edited by dradik at 15:58 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #243 @ 10:30 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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svr - Reply to #70

I want to add something _really_ important to your post:

The fact that these moments are in frag movies is because it isnt easy to accomplish them. Dont go for some uber vertically biased splash scheme where stuff like that is easy.

Crouch sliding IS a good addition and I definately think you should consider it for Quake Zero.

To more more importantly. I think QUake Zero should have a faster more agressive circlejump than VQ3. Quake 4 is about right, CPM circlejump is even better.

<< Comment #414 @ 11:07 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #70

I honestly think movement could be simplified further. I love bunny hopping and am pretty fucking good at it but it offers a huge advantage over many people who can never get decent at it. Obviously QW/CPM/Warsow movement is a level beyond Q2/Q3/Q4. Back in the old days of Q1, and Q2 people played without it and had loads of fun. People still play Netquake, ZDaemon, etc without any bunny hopping going on. I'm not against skill based movement but I think the techniques required to utilize faster movement in Quake is too skill intensive. I think with simplified movement that is easy for anyone to do it would be better for the health of the community.

<< Comment #429 @ 13:46 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #414

And that is, VQ3 as we know it.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1480210

<< Comment #442 @ 16:36 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #429

No.

<< Comment #447 @ 19:26 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #442

You don't have a clue about anything anyway.

<< Comment #454 @ 22:59 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #447

I know QZ shouldn't be VQ3 if it wants to be as popular as possible. :)

<< Comment #457 @ 06:57 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #454

Then you know wrong. VQ3 is the best mode of Quakes to go mainstream.

<< Comment #469 @ 09:16 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #457

Obviously not, it hasn't had any of the near long term popularity of say for instance QW. Cough - http://www.eql.nu/players.php I think Q2 might even be more popular now.

<< Comment #497 @ 15:10 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #469

Wrong.

Anyway, im talking about gameplay. VQ3 is the best gameplay to go mainstream.

<< Comment #509 @ 13:59 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #497

You should try a bit harder, when presented with facts a "wrong" doesn't cut it. :( I don't think there has been a Q3 TDM league with near 500 players in a very long time. Q3 must have gameplay so good that no one plays it anymore? Then again you are probably either just an ESR troll, or a delusional Q3 fanboy.

Edited by peterg at 14:00 CST, 13 December 2007

<< Comment #510 @ 14:12 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #509

or both

<< Comment #511 @ 16:42 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #509

You don't get the point.

It has been said here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1479984

and here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=editpost&id=1480210

Have fun crying, its going to be VQ3 anyway.

<< Comment #514 @ 17:30 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #511

I won't cry at all, I already own VQ3. It is a good DM game, but id is going to fail again if they think VQ3 via browser is going to be popular. If that is all they are going to do without any gameplay changes it'll end up being a waste of time and resources.

<< Comment #521 @ 02:08 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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link - Reply to #511

heh, most people in the promode scene will stay with q3 cpma if theres not the same stuff in it ;)

i bet you will have loads of fun in the german ffa servers with ex. cs-noobs and uters who cries about luck and such 8))))

<< Comment #571 @ 06:39 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #469

you dont think factors like wow, q4, cpl going gay etc etc got anything to with it?

<< Comment #601 @ 17:03 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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peterg - Reply to #571

Of course they do, but why then is QW and other older id games just as popular if not more so? I don't buy into the VQ3 is the best id game because it didn't have nearly as much legs as earlier id titles.

<< Comment #623 @ 04:17 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #601

prolly cos q3 has "died" cos of the above issues and some q3 players have returned/started on qw cos the good old gameplay (and no rail :D)

<< Comment #653 @ 21:25 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #601

Q3 was played for much longer than the others at a pro level (for cash, I'm not knocking the players of other games, I just think playing for cash pushes technique development much harder than normal play), this means the gameplay is much more 'played out' and inaccessible to normal players. It also means that any non-cash event doesn't have the top players and therefore completely lacks legitimacy, this really kills the grass roots game.

It also doesn't help that the machine gun, both because of instahit constant fire and damage ruined TDM and CTF in Q3.

<< Comment #665 @ 06:09 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #653

It has been played longer for cash because there was no other (id?) title to play. Quake II came out a year after QW.

Also, the no-cash issue may hold true for relatively small scenes like CPMA where you can still push the performance envelope but it isn't as evident in say, QW, where you've had multiple tournaments every year (going on for more than a decade and spanning more game modes than just 1v1) and a closely-knit community suppoting big lanparties and even a few international events.

Edited by MaJunior at 06:14 CST, 17 December 2007

<< Comment #1046 @ 06:50 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #70

The movement system of CPM perhaps ? This have at a good well-coded combination of the movement from all the quakes.

Edited by light at 08:00 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1051 @ 07:23 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1046

CPMA is the mod, CPM is the gameplay

<< Comment #1053 @ 08:00 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #1051

typo, fixed.

<< Comment #1436 @ 06:14 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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jal - Reply to #70

Agreed. I'm of the opinion of the best representing Quake movement set is strafejumping + double + rampjumps.
BTW, on features I'd like to see in Quake zero: fast webdownloads, antilag, and some casual gamers gametype. FFA has become too boring for today's casual gamers, and we all want QuakeZero to capture a big player base. I'd also like other things, but are the same as what the other posters will repeat until satiety. :)

<< Comment #62 @ 10:27 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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doped

and really.. we(read I) really want the large span of player models/monsters.. thats a very cool thing about quake 3, compared to quake 4.. different monsters.. also, and idea to make all models the same size(instead of sarge-tankjr difference..

just some thoughts..

and keep the ability to tweak the graphics down to the same amount quake 3 is, and be sure to keep the same performance..

<< Comment #73 @ 10:43 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

GFX wise, appart from "spicing up textures" (can you Syncerror tell us if that spicing up textures thing will include bump mapping? or just more res ones) models are a bit out dated in the polycount department. I mean, just keep the exactly same models from Q3, they are perfect, but add more polygons to make they more "rounded". This is obviously for spectating or videofrag use, (or to the newbs that like to play full GFX). There must be an option to change from new "high polycount ones" to "original Q3 polycount ones" for the ones that want full performance.

Anyway, more technical info from the whole "spicing up GFX" thing would be cool to know.

<< Comment #74 @ 10:48 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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cumrag

rail damage: 80

<< Comment #76 @ 10:49 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dradik

I look foward to it, but I can't say anything other than that because nobody knows what its going to play, look like.. for sure.

<< Comment #86 @ 10:58 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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injx

one of the most important things for me is fluidity, both in the technical sense (framerate/netcode) and in the movement and responsiveness .

in the 21st century a built in tutorial / training section is very important, especially for learning the movement features. since qz will be free, it will attract a whole load of newbs who will be discovering quake's depth for the first time. i.e. beyond the typical shooting enemies aspect that all fps games have.

i've spent a lot of time in the past introducing newbs to defrag and teaching them the movement. and even though many of them have been your typical casual "play for fun" gamer, they have all absolutely loved learning the movement once i had introduced it to them. initially i was surprised by this: i thought they would get turned off by the depth of it and just go back to newbing around on any old mod, but to my surprise they really love practising it and becoming good at strafing etc. all they need is an introduction to it to ignite it all.

the game has evolved to a state where the player movements are unavoidable features, inseparable from the gameplay. therefore the time has come that id recognise this and start taking the credit for creating strafejumping and circlejumping etc, market it as a feature, and support it through a tutorial etc. hell i'll even write the tutorial section for you if you like.

sure i would love to see all the cpma features there, but the most important is the responsiveness/fluidity.

apart from that you might as well include the new gametypes that you have created over the years. for example there were some cool gametypes in team arena, but since it was released as a mod, no one wanted to give up the features of osp just to play new gmetypes. but if they are integrated into the base, then they will get played.

on another note my ideal quake game would include all the features from all the quakes (see cpm), but i get the impression this will be more like vq3 on steroids.

<< Comment #99 @ 11:42 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #86

You perfectly described the whole thing about movement. Just introduce to people strafejumping the right way, and people will love it. Maybe finally we'll see a fanbase with the average player being a decent adversary, where you can always go and have some quality duels.

<< Comment #87 @ 11:08 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (cm56-231-171.liwest.at)

no fps-hickups on multicore computers!

<< Comment #97 @ 11:33 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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vq3/osp movement 'feeling' eg not cpma vq3 feeling :S

<< Comment #108 @ 12:00 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (g228240003.adsl.alicedsl.de)

quake3 + osp + cpma + defrag + ra3

improved netcode
smoother models (higher sv_fps ???)
very very improved anticheat system ! (fast and reliable)
very scalable gfx, higher com_maxfps limit (125 AND 250fps)

good new maps AND all the old good maps (pt4,ztn,pdm6,aero,t2,dm13...) same for ctf and tdm

new gfx effects added (but always only an option, always playable on old computers pentium 3 with geforce on 125fps like before)

high resolution textures

improved bots for singleplayer and practice

a new gamemode which i will explain now:
small arenas with much gfx around, comparable to aimarenas like amphi or arenax.
but with the difference that there is more gfx involved and behind a wall there is maybe a pit.
so basically this would be a gamemode like all 3dfighters like tekken5 or virtuafighter5 only with all quakeweapons from the start
(duelarena with a real gamemode like fighting games and great backroundgfx like skyscrapers, jungle and so on ...)

a 2nd old gamemode but improved: the clanarena and ffa
besides typical maps for these 2 modes there should be maps
that can graphically and in size compare to mmo shooters.
because noobs only want to shoot arounds in a fast game with not much rules but vs many other noobs.
and some will even stay at these modes because its fun to have an uncomplicated system sometimes and to eat something with left and shooting with right hand. (3 or 4 good big maps should be enough for the start, yes quakerzero has to support custom maps of course)

core gameplay vq3, voteable: promode gameplay - if there is enough time a voteable quakeworld and quake2 and q4 gameplay maybe even a walljump option.

a custom singleplayer modus with doom1 like monsters:
custom map generator like we know from wolf3d, doom1 (oblige),
sof2, hellgate london, diablo1,2 ::
every map is different and the monsters can be mainly copied out of the old id games.

important!!!: its important to take quake3 as an art example, maybe the old id games too like doom1 or doom2 or q1 or q2.
consistent gfx and sound, models ...
dont mix up things, stay close to original and make improvements on that.
its important all weapons look great, no strange design or too many risks in here

comunity system:
include a custom but optionalbe comunity system - so that means player can use it but do not have to use it !!! that people can play on lan and listenservers too without beeing connected to internet.

but include a comunity system with ratings, tables and anticheat features - this is especially great for online tourneys and comparison of clans and players. and to push more money into quaketournaments in future.

maybe something like blizzard or some famous mmorpgs with close comunity support. but lan has to word without these things too, if even for practice without rankings !

in the official list there is a id for every player which makes it easy to track cheaters, and its easy to send money to the players with paypal or something similar or the other way round. all optionable ofc.

k maybe not all ideas and written in short time

tbh if idsoft likes new ideas there is a final concept of myself, including a quakegame which acts as a roof for all other quakegames. so you can start in the new game all other quakegames in "arenas or small city districts"
a quake mmorpg which acts mainly as the meetingpoint for all quakers. the old games are still in the game without changed rules, gfx or gameplays from doom1 up to quake4.
the whole id universe in one big game and people walking around an slashing monsters like in wow in parties during real duel or ctf setups. (highly downscalable engine and isdn support, like wow for example or guildwars)

<< Comment #100 @ 11:46 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3

it should have all the features of a pro mod out of the box have low system requirements and should re tweak the weapon settings of q3 abit since connections have improved :)

specially railgun.

<< Comment #103 @ 11:53 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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erok

A GOOD matchmaking system is essential to the true success of this i think, hope they get it right :)
Would like to see railgun to 80 damage as well, and get back to the movement of baseq3, although the "fixed" movement in CPMA has its perks and i would like to see those still enabled if possible. New maps would be AWESOME. If QZ can somehow incorporate everything from the various mods(osp,cpma,ra3, etc...) and combine them all into one playable/call voteable thing or to be predetermined in the matchmaking so the community is all together instead of split

<< Comment #111 @ 12:04 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis

would also be nice if you could rework the simpleitems like cpma did in their new 1.44 version, they look totally awesome ;d

<< Comment #132 @ 12:48 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #111

cept new old shafts :-/ they fkn blow

<< Comment #136 @ 13:10 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #132

i said simple items, nothing more ;P

<< Comment #1541 @ 06:56 CST, 12 February 2008 >>

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Clov3r - Reply to #136

I don't like the new simple items. Too cartoonish.
The old ones are better IMO.

<< Comment #114 @ 12:09 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dadS

Competitive features is a must, hppefully new ones too. noob tuts. awesome netcode.

I'd love to see a defrag game mode and freestyle trick game mode. would help the noobs to learn movement as well and its a good blast every now and then.

<< Comment #115 @ 12:09 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Maps: include with QZ: ztn3tourney1, hub3aeroq3, hub3tourney1, pro-q3tourney7, pro-nodm9. Those are obviously A MUST and remember we don't want newbies to be pissed off because of "map not found" errors. Just include all the classics that aren't on the original Q3 installation. Im sure the authors would love to see their creations into an official id game, so theres no problem.

Edited by nemecel at 12:10 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #120 @ 12:16 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #115

i guess thats not really easy to do, apart from pro-t7 (which should be left out imho ;p)

<< Comment #122 @ 12:18 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #120

Why not? Just contact ztn for ztn3tourney1 and Preacher and Hub for the hub ones. "Hey guys, do you want your maps to appear in the official id game, Quake Zero?". If you where a maper, and you wheren't retarded, the answer would be: yes, please.

<< Comment #125 @ 12:24 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #122

i think they would have to give all the rights on the map to idsoftware like in that community mappack for q4 and i don't know how mappers feel about that. :)

but sure i would like to see those maps in qz by default but id rather see new maps tbh. And those maps will be added asap anyway. QZ will also have proper autodownload like in q4 so that shouldn't be a problem either.

<< Comment #127 @ 12:26 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Nukm

i am quite sure that gameplay wise, qz is going to be great, just spice q3 up alittle in whatever way you feel right, imho the important things are:
- make it fun from the start, it needs to work when its release no endless missing paks, fps issues and what else went wrong in the past (not just in q4)
- bring along tutorial movies and maps so that everyone can enjoy our beloved movement
- it needs to be easy to get in, many new ppl are going to try it because its free, so a good matchmaking and community system is what should make qz stand out

<< Comment #129 @ 12:40 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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marle

- Good solid engine.
- client max_fps
- Qtv
- brightskins.
- good maps :) (pls don't forget ctf and tdm )
- Good performance (i don't want fancy graphix)
- crouchsliding
- oldish flaggs
- bots
- red/blue or red/green teams instead of this orange/"green" in q4
- sp that learns newbies to play the game
- anti cheating system inside the game, so that we don't have pb lagg
-

(-) water in maps (or that mappers can use this)

<< Comment #130 @ 12:42 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

lol classic admin edit.

<< Comment #134 @ 12:49 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #130

? B<

<< Comment #138 @ 13:37 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #134

he's calling you a topic thief m8

<< Comment #141 @ 13:45 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #138

ohnoez :<

<< Comment #133 @ 12:49 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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guts

The one thing i would love to see is lots and lots of new maps for 1v1 tdm ctf ra etc...

There is so many custom q3 maps out there. Since qz will be for free can id collect alot of them and package it wih qz? i am not sure what the legality of that would be.

And i have to say that a well implemented match making system is a must.

With this match making system it would be so cool if atleast once a year (qcon for example) have a
"officail" world championchip for QUAKE. But through out the year have a league/qualifiers. Just give the community something to play for through the year. keep the comptivie interest going throughout the year. Fuck cpl fuck wsvg, imo opinion the ideal way for this to work is if ID olffically supported it and managed it. that would rock

Sorry for all the typos and babbling, but thinking of the potential that QZ/Quake Arena is making me gitty.

<< Comment #139 @ 13:39 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #133

Yeah, something like Blizzcon competition. QCON should put a CRAPLOAD of money into a SERIOUS 1v1 tournament (screw RA3, or multigame tournament jokes).

Make the QCON tournament the "official world quake cup". Get qualified admins running the event, put an awesome show with an awesome layout (ala Starcraft MSL). Lots of lighting and loud speakers with these isolating windows for the players, nicely done. Get the interest of every single person attending Quakecon. Advertise it everywhere, hype it since the start of the year until August, and you got it. Other organizations will get interested in QZ, and we can have it in the rest of big events.

Edited by nemecel at 13:48 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #135 @ 13:00 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Another must:

Add antialiasing support in the client. I want finally to be able to play on 800x600 resolution with 120hz without any of those jaggies because of the low res. Anisotropic filters would be awesome too.

This is already done in ChallengeQ3.exe.

PD: wtf, just realized anisotropic and antialiasing options are on the menu also using CPMA 1.43 with the original Q3.exe. Wasn't those two "ChallengeQ3.exe only" features?

P.D: Ok, anisotropic and antialiasing options are also on the menu but they are doing nothing if its q3.exe

Anyway, just add these for QZ.

Edited by nemecel at 21:06 CST, 8 December 2007

<< Comment #140 @ 13:40 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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sonic

get the person who designed q2dm1 to do all the maps, and maybe that ztn person could be contacted :p

<< Comment #145 @ 14:32 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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TelMarine - Reply to #140

that would be Tim Willits.

<< Comment #198 @ 11:44 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #145

Tim 'RA next to Mega next to Personal Teleporter' Willits?

Although q2dm1 and q3dm6(with a bit different item layout) are probably the best quake maps ever, at least out of box.

Tim knows how to place his railgun :D

You know what other levels he might have made?

Edited by voodoochopstiks at 11:45 CST, 8 December 2007

<< Comment #219 @ 20:32 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #198

he made dm6 too? yeah, he definitely needs to make new maps for qz

<< Comment #222 @ 20:50 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #219

He also made q1dm6, pro-q3tourney7, q3dm13 and countless other greats.

<< Comment #241 @ 10:06 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #222

Wow didn't know that, all of these are great maps :]

I

<< Comment #242 @ 10:29 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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FTY - Reply to #241

Tim is a legend.

<< Comment #252 @ 12:56 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #242

I think he's said that he doesn't care if those maps are good in MP and hasn't seen q2dm1 match, ever, or something :)

<< Comment #257 @ 13:24 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #252

thats kinda... strange

<< Comment #260 @ 13:33 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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elbo - Reply to #252

instinct, a natural born Mapper ;)

<< Comment #148 @ 14:37 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

By

Shrike

auto download of missing files when joining servers

<< Comment #323 @ 08:39 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #148

/cl_allowdownload 1 ?

<< Comment #333 @ 09:17 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #323

http ones then, preferably with a universal repository.

<< Comment #394 @ 02:23 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Shrike - Reply to #323

This wasn't implemented for Q4 iirc - maybe it is now but not out of the box ..

<< Comment #150 @ 15:14 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dadS

quake tv or whatever its called is good just goto the website and one click and your watching the game. has some neat features too.

I'd steal some qw competitive features, chuck some more into the mix and polish.

mvd. not sure if you could get the players to record mvd, sure that isn't possible in cpma.

maybe some game/demo analysis tools.

make it a truly competitive platform

as far as movement etc. wouldn't mess with it, if you feel you have to make it minimal or make different modes a la promode type mode.

weapons - I really like them, maybe nerf the rail a little. and the leave the sounds alone. q4 sounded way too girly for my taste. pew pew pew, yak.

pb sucks.

Edited by dadS at 15:25 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #152 @ 15:24 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #150

oh ye omg, qw features!

like the radar that could show areas of control in colors.

also
the item timer from q4max for spectators.
lots of statistics for spectators, dunno how to blend them in tho, the screen shouldn't be too packed with stuff, neither should the scoreboard be, maybe an own statistics board or smth.

<< Comment #154 @ 15:46 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #152

Yeah the timer for specs is a great idea and was just thinking bout a pop up stats board that only covers part of the screen which can be binded to a key.

Game cfg's have to be laid out nice and clear, into sections, ie, net settings, movement, weapons, graphics, etc Maybe with cvars with mini explanations of what it is and what the values means and what range they go through

Separate cfg's for qztv and game modes and make them kept in their own section. I seem to remember cfg's being a hassle. Also settings full changeable in game.

Maybe at a click of a button you can switch through graphics. Say really pretty graphics so when speccing or qztv then for when playing if you want nice plain and clear.

Map editor as standard. Radiant or whatever it is is good.

I like the spawn ghost in cpma, makes it easier to learn them, ofc make it so you can turn it off.

<< Comment #155 @ 15:51 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dradik

Aircontrol, buttsliding (the q4 feature)
AWESOME REGISTRATION (BIG MUST).
Fast speed, customizable features such as hud
Oh yeah another biggy... good spectator and demo features.

Oh yeah, its been said but make is scalabe.. cod4 is a great example you can dummy it down and everybody can play it. Or you can crank it up and the game looks better than Crysis (imo).

One last thing, keep the level design and textures to Quake 3. The maps looked beautiful and you could see the player models easily against the back drop. One of Quake 4s downfalls was that the base maps especially were so ugly looking and it was hard as hell to see player models. Just a tip... iD, never give another company the rights to one of your game titles.

Edited by dradik at 16:09 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #160 @ 17:17 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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spammah

* More maps and support for the team-based modes (TDM and CTF).

* Cool one-time intro video like the Q3 intro movie (Of Sarge raping bitches) that could be shown when you install QZ the first time. Some other 'cool' video clips that would greatly appeal to first time QZ players and would keep them coming back for more QZ! (something like a crafty designed video showcasing movement or trickjumps etc)

* Multicore support for client + server QZ.

* Higher sv_fps.

* A radar system would be awesome for specifically CTF imo.

* If I get this right, we'd have to log in a website and then launch the game from there, correct? So we definitely need an 'offline' mode..

* Maybe id can have a centralized ladder system set up to record match scores/wins/losses and have a 'Top 100 players' list etc.

* Improved graphics and more maps for duel.

* No buttsliding!

Edited by spammah at 17:18 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #158 @ 17:03 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dadS

integrated shoutcast feature in qztv

<< Comment #159 @ 17:13 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Liam

All I care about is mod support as the base game is likely to be good but also can be vastly improved just not in a way that would be popular with the community, see: cpm.

Also in case it hasn't been mentioned, DEMO FEATURES. Server side MVD, play/pause/stop/rewind/ff/eject (cutting up demos).

Also if you do change the engine at all, PLEASE don't fuck it up, look at Q4, runs like a piece of shit even with low graphics and seriously, seriously doesn't look as good as Q3, so where is all that being wasted?

A large selection of how you see your weapons would be nice too, different lightning gun looks, certain ones geared towards gaming (thin and shit), also fun interesting functional models (like keel/tankjr/sarge).

Just focus mostly on getting the engine up to par, you can have the best gameplay in the world but if the engine is a buggy piece of shit the game will die, learn from Q4's mistakes. Q4 probably isn't that bad of a game any more, you made a few bold choices with stuff like rail damage being lower and ammo counts but none of that matters because for the first year the game wasn't worth playing due to how it ran. Sure we all have better PCs now and it has been optimised (even more so with the recent Q4MAX) but it's too little too late.

Edited by Liam at 17:14 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #162 @ 17:59 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

By

Lots of useful suggestions here, here's mine:

leave the movement as it is in q3
fix the bugged physics to emulate the 125fps one as it gives a far better feeling than with 85fps

CPMA features+netcode and some tweaking of hitscan weapons

lots of emphasis on team modes! maps (new and old ones / remakes), stats

qtv and internal support for shoutcasters
would be nice to have a short but comprehensive overview for every map, showing its main areas and flow. this would be especially useful for shoutcasters before an official game and for noobs to have a clue on wtf is going on

tutorials, tutorials and more tutorials!
every tweaking should be possible through gui: i've alyas been a cfg whore, but let's try to take cfging to the minimum
default matchmaking based on guessed skill level

q3 style level design and textures, there's nothing better than the "arena feeling"
the main gamemodes that became standard through the years should be supported ootb

a responsive and consistent sound system
integrated voip, maybe disabled by default, would be nice for clans without having to go ts or vent

q3a announcer is a MUST!! :)

<< Comment #163 @ 18:02 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Xsi

i dont know if anyone cares about music in q3 but SonicMayhem was very very great so if ID plans some some music theme it has to be SonicMayhem !

<< Comment #164 @ 18:29 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #163

OMG, I agree.

<< Comment #295 @ 06:59 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #163

or just mayhem \o/

<< Comment #297 @ 07:01 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #295

hehehe that would be too hard :)

Edited by Xsi at 07:01 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #303 @ 07:10 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #297

hehe :D

<< Comment #560 @ 05:28 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #163

yes!

<< Comment #165 @ 18:51 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Lisk

make it possible to look as(or very similar to) current quake3
make all those default presets and configs for many various setups
EASY configuration

<< Comment #168 @ 19:24 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #165

The perfect thing would be to not need to edit cfgs or input console commands unless you want to bind teamsays and such.

There's no need for alienating new players (who are going to be all "omg cfg h4x") If the game has nice defaults, a good menu and one or two standard and useful huds.

<< Comment #176 @ 21:44 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (f049075088.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #168

good idea as long as the console and all important commands are still accessible.

because its impossible to do all things with menue only !

not alienating new players, but not alienating fans neither.
as an example: the q4max menue is still not enough, it never will be big enough to host all important things.
the idea of an menue only driven competition is very bad tbh with a game like quake. i hope people know that by now, after looking at some q4 configs which all looks the same and mostly look way worse than the configs of the same players in q3 !!

and when talking of q4: provide the win32 api mouseinput, not only direct input - many players are not used to dinput, and dont want to change that !

<< Comment #386 @ 00:28 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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wch - Reply to #168

Common team say binds should be in the GUI :O

<< Comment #296 @ 07:00 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #165

We already have q3

<< Comment #177 @ 21:44 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (adsl-074-247-081-179.sip.bna.bellsouth.net)

w00t z0

<< Comment #167 @ 19:23 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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dradik

Why can't I see anybodys comments under this thread?

<< Comment #169 @ 19:25 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #167

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1469361

<< Comment #171 @ 20:36 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #169

he's not going to be able to read these comments is he :/

<< Comment #179 @ 23:00 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #171

He can read it from the Unread Replies section.

<< Comment #170 @ 20:31 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by outlaw at 17:07 CST, 14 November 2010

<< Comment #1085 @ 04:32 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (bas9-toronto63-1167877315.dsl.bell.ca) - Reply to #170

youd like no cheat protection wouldnt you buddy

<< Comment #1186 @ 19:54 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Kizaru - Reply to #1085

I've seen Walter play Quakeworld for a few days and he was pretty damn good for only the two days he played. Basically I don't think he cheats but what do I know.

<< Comment #172 @ 20:41 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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rep

yikes..

<< Comment #173 @ 21:07 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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Erk

One thing that is realy important is for quake zero to have a pub friendly game modes out of the box. Rocket arena is one such mode since it allows people to have fun even if they are not pro at using all the weapons. I've actually managed to get several of my CS playing friends to play that. Would also be nice to see something like attackers vs defenders like in UT/RTCW/TF since it allows everyone to have fun even if they are not very skilled.

I would prefer if the rail damage was brought down to 65 or so and fire rate was increased quite a bit. It would make it a more skilled weapon since sniping wouldn't be as damaging while it would still retain it's power in long range exchanges.

There also needs to be a proper counter to the railgun. One such counter would be to make the machingun a quite powerfull pickup weapon and let the players start out a projectile weapon like a plasmagun with lower fire rate and damage values. If you let players start out with such a weapon, I think 100-120dmg/sec if all shots do max damage would be reasonable. It takes skill to use, but at the same time it should stop opponents from raping newly spawned players with impunity at close ranges. The problem in Q3 and Q4 is that the machingun is only countered by rail at long ranges, which makes it a good weapon if your opponent is far away, but if they get close you have no chance. The properties of a spawning weapon should be the other way around. At the same time it needs to have a slow enough fire rate that newly spawned players can't turn it into a spam fest.

Good netcode and high engine responsiveness is also very important. Especially moving across the top edge of ramps annoys me, since it feels like you are on ice when you hit the top.

Edited by Erk at 21:07 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #184 @ 05:37 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #173

interesting thought about the rail gun. Would be interested in seeing how a game played out that had half the damage and half the reload time.

I think they should test all these things maybe with pro's to see their thoughts.

Edited by dadS at 06:14 CST, 9 December 2007

<< Comment #974 @ 21:31 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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GeNeTiKs - Reply to #184

I would hate fast rail, it would just be constant spam. I dont mind the damage being lowered a bit but dont make it any faster as that will just make the lowering of the damage totally redundant.

<< Comment #615 @ 01:56 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #173

That all makes sense.

You mean a Q2 blaster kind of weapon? Don't know if I remember it correctly though. It would also lessen the 4v4 TDM MG raping.

<< Comment #178 @ 22:50 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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stuntz

would like to see some quakeish tech working here, like having several themes for each player to pick and acordinly to that the when the player picked up some weapon the weapon would change to that type of skin he picked at start.

like having a q1 gothic ancient lg q3 improved tech lg or q4 sci fi 24th centrurys lg :p or some gothic or whatever themed weapon skins and models ;) eg: or even q2 q3 machinegun...

its quake they can teleport have multiraces multitech and strogg's so i think it would be cool to have it custumized so that everyone can choose one that likes best

another feature id like is having some in game interaction with online friends and adding them to a list like Steam from valve.

then... good netcode good antihacks low end specs and brightskins
then add quake id style and not raven quake style

ask carmack :p

Edited by stuntz at 22:51 CST, 7 December 2007

<< Comment #180 @ 23:16 CST, 7 December 2007 >>

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manic

STATS TRACKING :D

Things like win ratio would be awesome to keep up.

<< Comment #181 @ 01:00 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

ted

gtv

<< Comment #185 @ 05:40 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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dadS

good quality new maps and lots of them for all game modes. Yeah the olds maps are fine but new ones need to be in the mix.

<< Comment #187 @ 10:17 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Syncerror, give us something ffs.

<< Comment #195 @ 10:58 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Gigamo

A decent server browser!
Also a friendslist like in ETQW would be cool.

<< Comment #196 @ 11:26 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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Hawr1x '

Cooperate with players and scene.
iD`s perfect work, no Raven anymore ;)
Can you tell us, who is in new team? :-)

- Back to topic -

Game: QuakeZero should be imo based on all games of Quake series and took best of each game.

Weapons: Rocket, Shaft, Grenade, Shotgun, Plazma, Pummel, Rail a.k.a SuperBoomStick (80-70 DMG)

Weapon switch: fast, almost instant (QW), might be SLIGHTLY! different depending on each weapon (Q4)

Movement: high air control, strafe jumping, bunny hopping, maybe slides, coz they rocks!
- Plz no second jump mode or whatever

Physics: No changing of physics possible for client, all set up on server.

Players: Only allowed setting for player should be changing HUD any way they want (timer (+/-), SuperHUD tweaks
- enemy model should be unique as well as easy to recognize enemy sounds, decent hit sounds
- Some basic changes available in graphics - mipmap, picmip, downSize (call it as you want :), shadows, vertex light

Team: Possibility of Adding Badge (ICON) of Team and Players, Team Overlay, Voice Communication, Item Icons for text communication, coach support (Icon of all items in map, you just add time value and post it to your tm8 ;-)

Spectators: Follow Powerup (if there will be more powerups (Quad, Pentagram) auto switch to second if one dies + if set on 2 camera will auto switch to respawn place of powerup ),
Following CamSystem (Q3), Item timers (Q4MAX), Top view of map (ezQuake), Input strokes (Q4MAX).

Shoutcast: possibility to connect from your client to any server and start broadcast with YOURS camera pov and possibility to change views -> Player1, Player2, ..., World + bonus fast replay :)
- possibility to join shoutcast of somebody else to add Czech or Polish language to that English cast :))
- List of currently running games that are possible to watch or soucast, some announcing system to let ppl know, that iam doing some cast.

Demos: Only actual map pack in demo! Server settings in demo. From default, multi view demos stored at server and, possibility to d/l it just after game ends. Demos from official servers available on QuakeZero central site (for a week/month? - to d/l and rate)
Possibility of Demo->AVi,
Possibility of jump in time of demo, speed up, slow down, fast forward & rewind. Possibility of adding shoutcast to already recorded demo.

Maps: Easily recognizable maps. Description and tutorials for maps on website from the beginning. Possibility of building new maps.

Scene: Ladders and mini competitions running on website - possibility to include server brower to any other web, possibility to run your own competition, possibility to run national ladders

4 Newbies: Aim training rooms with ghosts as a tutor, Jump training - show places were you can jump.
- Bots - not needed if there will be players of QZ

Level system: you start as a noob and according to your skill nearest server and "same level" opponent will be found.

Pickups: Included in website, connected to IRC, just click that you want to play and enemy from your region will be found

Competitions: Running automaticly for whole year, best players got payed invitation on QuakeCon :)

Multi server Games: Because servers are usually on BETTER line than players have at home I got this idea.
- Iam on Czech server and my opponent is playing on Dallas server, because servers are on better lines than we have, they communicate between themselves.
Both servers find some Main server, that is in a middle so ping every player have is lower than by direct connection :) (But maybe iam wrong :)

Advertising system: Something, that will allow you to add sponsors logos into arenas before the match will begin or something that could be added into shoutcast.

---

Involve the scene - There are many great pplz in Quake scene, so let them some space to do work they liked to do something that will be at least as good as Quad Damage and "unite" Quakers.

- Have Fun & Good Luck, looking forward to Quake Zero

Edited by Hawr1x at 11:28 CST, 8 December 2007

<< Comment #298 @ 07:03 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #196

yeah, no bots please. every newbie starts playing with bots cause they are afraid to go online and get buttraped and then they pwn bots who just suck and thinks they are god and then goes to online thinking they're pros and then get even harder buttrape and then they become a sad panda and prolly makes a suicide. :(

<< Comment #372 @ 17:02 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (f055121248.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #298

many players from all skillrange like bots, i have played more games vs bots than humans and have played in good teams.

botsupport is very very important to many people, especially if they are new to games.
the problem you are talking about can be handled in a simple way:

the bots have to be named like it is: the best bot is still noob compared to a real progamer ->

so the namerange has to be replaced:

hardcorebot = bothuman.amateur
nightmarebot = bothuman.fairlygood
spiterbot 60/cpma 80 = bothuman.middlegood
spiterbot 80/cpma 100 = bothuman.good
spiterbot 100 = bothuman.skilled

i know if someone can beat the best cpma bot he can play vs humans upto middleskilled very good in cpm3 (cpma1.43)
if someone is able to beat the spiterbot 100 its really a skilled performance for example on dm6.
bots are a must, its one reason why many games fail. not all people wanna play vs other humans !!!
but bot names like ueberhardcore, nightmare or unhuman like in unreal etc fools the people. then they think they are better than they are ! imo the spiterbot should be included, maybe still the best bot around

<< Comment #1553 @ 13:21 CST, 14 February 2008 >>

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retire - Reply to #372

I think bots should be based on styles that real gamers have already. Some bots should have excellent aim and slow movement, being great with hitscan weapons but poor with rockets and mediocre timing of items. Another example could be a bot with fast movement and excellent timing skills but poor hitscan aim. This could evolve into bots with good rockets and shaft, or good rail and shaft etc. etc.

I would rather play bots with human-like tendancies than just pure aimbots that try to dodge by spinning in circles :x

<< Comment #523 @ 03:51 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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link - Reply to #196

nice post!

<< Comment #197 @ 11:31 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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noctis

another one: if you add some sort of gtv, make it possible if a shoutcaster is casting to follow his view.

<< Comment #201 @ 11:53 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

vamp1re

-netcode improvements - atleast as good as CPMA
-brightskins
-player models that fit the hitbox (aka Major)
-new weapon and blood effects
-sensible bumpmaps/specular maps that do not make every texture look like plastic. Little or no bloom (flares in quake3 are pretty good)
-duel mode, ctf mode, tdm mode, 2v2 mode - callvote-able
-double jumps, but no ramp jumps
-faster ground accel - CPMA style circle jumps
-tiered armor system
-less powerful spawn weapon
-new ammo limits, its really not fun to have 300 lg ammo
-GTV
-MVD
-ability for GTV camera men to setup static cameras
-ability for GTV specs to add a box to their screen (picture in picture style) and cycle through those static cameras

<< Comment #231 @ 03:19 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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marle - Reply to #201

No ramp jumps? oO

<< Comment #299 @ 07:04 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #231

or crouchslide o_O

<< Comment #202 @ 11:55 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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FTY

Will QuakeZero support old Q3 maps or not? Sorry if this is answered already. Would be kinda shitty if all* the 3W CTF maps would be lost for QZ.

*yeah yeah all 3 of them.

<< Comment #203 @ 11:56 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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voodoochopstiks

All new levels, no remakes.

Xbox live style achievements(achieve 1200UPS, perform a midair rocket, take out two people with the same railgun shot, etc.)

Small TF2 stats popup stuff at the end the round or after dying('You sent 16 enemies to their deaths before biting the bullet that life!' 'You captured the flag 6 times during that round!'.

Imbalanced weapons(let the level designers balance the guns by placement), with the effectiveness of the guns shown through their sound and the look(for example a really heavy railgun hum, but not so much bass on the grenade launcher or its explosion).

Make it easier to discover the hidden competition style of quake, with a few included demos of very good players playing the various modes, and an easy mode of spectating and easy to find small tournaments with signing up on the spot, all without having to go on irc and looking around for the right channels, or using google for ages.

<< Comment #204 @ 12:01 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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FTY - Reply to #203

The weapon humming is the worst shit that came to this industry alongside footsteps :)

<< Comment #205 @ 12:04 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

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TelMarine - Reply to #203

While I think there should be a couple new levels in Quake Zero, leave some incentive for the idtech 5 Quake.

<< Comment #432 @ 15:29 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #205

its hard for the developer to spot many of the rally good maps without proper testing. and you need an open beta test to do that.

<< Comment #207 @ 12:05 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

theking_

railgun has to be 100 damage

keep hitboxes the same as q3, dont reduce it like q4.

<< Comment #300 @ 07:05 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

By

randomness666 - Reply to #207

why it HAS TO BE 100 ?

railgun 100 dmg is the gayest thing in quake.

<< Comment #834 @ 13:34 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

By

shlaeNg - Reply to #207

100 rail damage is a relic from times of ball mice and mouse pads with ads printed on them. Unless they keep the overall speed of vq3 or raise the spawn health drastically 100 rail damage is retarded and boring...

<< Comment #209 @ 12:09 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

spyteman

what about poker-style sit'n'go tournaments? :)

<< Comment #210 @ 12:23 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

nemecel

Guys keep the gimmicks out, this is a Q3 remake at the end of the day.

<< Comment #211 @ 12:25 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

toifel

beta test for ESR users

<< Comment #245 @ 10:53 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Nicky - Reply to #211

maybe ViP users and admin hrhr

<< Comment #247 @ 11:41 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

noctis - Reply to #245

yay :D

<< Comment #248 @ 12:03 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

FTY - Reply to #245

There's no love for old users, everyone registered in 2002 should be VIP anyway :P.

<< Comment #280 @ 18:03 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Erk - Reply to #248

More like everyone who registered before 2002......

<< Comment #285 @ 00:41 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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theking_ - Reply to #248

only love for people that make top 3 in tournaments.

<< Comment #213 @ 12:49 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

fuzz

Strafejumping and solid engine.

<< Comment #215 @ 12:55 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

Sub_

should definitely have config presets so anybody can get an idea of what the game can look like. (just think of the difference between fov 90 and 110). Also ongoing support is a must with upgrades being automatically installed so that you can have any fixes, upgrades etc right away without having to wait for them to be bundled in a big patch or smth.

<< Comment #216 @ 12:59 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

Terifire

- a completely new quakestyle weapon(no napalm stuff:P)(?)

- obviously all the competitive features that mods like cpma, q4max have.

- best netcode possible!

- some good thinshafts(maybe even just a straight beam? I find some shaft animations quite distracting)

- make nades bounce fast:D

- config creater option in menu(ALL cvars with a var box next to them so people can enter a specific value, or a dropdown 'menu'

- tutorials(!)

- chuck norris

- cpma style physics(no quake4 - I'm quite sure I made the jump but I still can't get onto the ledge stuff)

- cut-able demos, so you dont have to record stuff and create a clip, you can just cut out the hot action of a demo and share that(possible?)

- would like to see some tankjr - keel like models

- s_hitsoundvolume

- match statistic files(timeline that shows how much damage you did, when you had a kill and when you died, NET, ping, actions troughout the match)

<< Comment #255 @ 13:13 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #216

- a completely new quakestyle weapon(no napalm stuff:P)(?)

I don't think thats possible. Think about it, there are only two types of weapons possible. Instant hit, and delayed/projectiles. Everything else is a variations. On the insta-hit side, we have a constant beam LG and weaker MG, a time delayed one-hit RG. For projectiles we have a long delay RL, short delay PG, also GL. And I think that covers the most essential basic types. Anything else is probably a bit gimmicky and takes away from ease of balance and strategical planning of the gameplay. If you want some fun cool weapons, check out Chaos DM for Q2, was absolutely loads and loads of fun with the machine gun torrets you could place in key places, gravity vortexes, air-gun, flameflower, bows'n'arrows with variouse types of explosive errors as well as sickness grenades, etc ,etc, but it wasn't exactly what DM is meant to be.

<< Comment #256 @ 13:21 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #255

I dont want fun cool weapons but I'd just like to see something new, like some kind of weaker explosive launcher like rocketlauncher, faster projectile, less delay between bullets, but way less damage, hitscan weapons have railgun wich is a powerfull instagib weapon, and a less powerfull hitscan weapon(shotgun) wich I think is more of a desperation weapon, then theres the mg, wich is the spawnweapon, rather weak, and theres shaft, stronger hitscan weapon.

I would like too see a "weaker version of rocketlauncher" like railgun - shotgun and shaft - mg.

Thats the way I see it, it might work out, it might not, if it doesnt, mappers just shouldnt include it in the maps.

<< Comment #261 @ 13:36 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #256

I think GL is a weaker version of RL, but I get your idea. I can't remember if I've seen that before hmm, perhaps QW's GL?

<< Comment #437 @ 16:03 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #255

those gravity vortexes sounds cool. was it worth it?

<< Comment #450 @ 20:11 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #437

it was extremely fun, i stopped playing q2dm all together :))
I think it was the most popular total conversation mods for quite some time
http://chaosdm.planetquake.gamespy.com/
If someone wants to make an entertaining game with "veeiichlezz", they should base it off chaos :)

Edited by Yeltsin at 20:16 CST, 11 December 2007

<< Comment #455 @ 03:04 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #255

hehe.. i remember this mod! it was mad fun
the killer deployable smileys and the broadsword were $$$

<< Comment #470 @ 09:48 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #455

Yeah, the thing is loaded with like 20 of the coolest items/weapons ever. I like the unreal-type buzzsaw blade gun, homing rockets, jet pack, personal teleporter, but the gravity vortex > * :D
Also, haha, the kick function, and faked death were 'lol'.

Edited by Yeltsin at 09:50 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #471 @ 10:04 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #470

i wonder if there's a server somewhere.. dunno if it still has the same appeal now, but this mod puts Excessive+ to shame for sure.. those thousands of idiots playing E+ don't even know what is fun

Edited by Aquashark at 10:05 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #473 @ 10:21 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #471

No idea, I doubt it. It's been 10 years, after all.

<< Comment #220 @ 20:44 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

fur*q

Just make a really fancy mod for q3 then rap it up as a new game.
No one will notice as they will having to much fun playing, and for those that do notice they will be greatfull.

<< Comment #221 @ 20:47 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

fur*q

Forced updates.

<< Comment #223 @ 20:57 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

yrim

The proposed graphical updates/tweaks sound all well and good, but i hope that they do not greatly change the minimum requirements for the game. New bells and whistles might attract a few people, but the primary reason people are(or are not) going to play this game is if it is fun. The lower the minimum requirements, the more potential people will be able to play, and personally i'm sick to death of all the newer FPS games that are doomed to pathetically small communities from the start due to their system requirements.

I would like to see the whole "community" aspect of the game hosted by the quakezero website. Chat rooms, message boards, team/clan pages, player stats, tournaments. A one stop shop. No need for new players to have to go off and try and figure out IRC in order to get up to speed. The fewer hurdles people have to clear, the more likely they will be to keep playing, and eventually become part of the competitive side of things.

Here are some usage scenarios i'd love to see:

1) New player comes to the website, creates an account, clicks on a "quick play" button, selects the gametype he wants(FFA/CTF/RA3, etc), and either gets a page with a list of pub servers(with ping/players/map etc), or have an auto connect option that finds the best server automatically and launches the game.

2) Slightly more advanced player comes to the site, logs in on his account, wants to play a CTF pickup. Clicks on a "pickup" button, selects CTF(with the possibility for some preferences for server location, quality of opponent, etc), and gets put into a chat room with other players looking for the same. Soon as the room reaches the number of players necessary, the site either checks the pings of people to a number of servers and determines the best one, or gives a list for the people to vote on. The site then connects all the players to the chosen server and automatically assigns teams balanced by the skill level of the individual players(which it knows because the site is tracking all the players stats). At the end of the game all the stats are sent back to the website, and players leaving the game can view the various stat information about the game on the site, and also view overall stats for all the players they just played with/against.

3) Advanced player logs into the site, to play a TDM scrim/match with his team. A room is created, both teams join, and the site checks all players pings to a number of different servers and reports all the data back to both teams, giving a list of servers with average/min/max pings. Both teams decide upon a server, and the site connects all players to the game and assigns teams. After game is finished, the server uploads all stats and a server side multi view demo to the quakezero site. Teams can view stats or download the multi-view demo of the match. If it was a tournament match hosted by the quakezero site, it can automatically log the results.

4) Player logs into the site, and on the main page after login he sees a list of all the major tournaments currently being hosted by the quakezero site. Any tournament matches currently in progress are listed, and with a click the user can be connected to a GTV client that is speccing the game. Results of recent important matches are also listed, and a user can click on it to see a statistical breakdown of the game, and can click on a "replay" link that will automatically launch a demo replay from the match.

The most important thing, especially initially, is that it's easy for new players to sign up and start playing against players of a similar skill level, and not get tossed in with seasoned veterans. You've got a fun game to begin with, and making it free should encourage many new players to try it out. If you can combine that with a great community site that encourages continuing play, and advancing people from newbies up to the competitive ranks, maybe it might be able to challenge the counter-strike hegemon.

<< Comment #238 @ 06:20 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #223

I'm dribbling at the thought of such a website.

<< Comment #385 @ 23:57 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #223

Moderation +4
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Karma-Bonus Modifier +1

Total Score: 5

<< Comment #500 @ 15:13 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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hed - Reply to #223

this is quite possibly the greatest piece of text i've ever laid my eyes on. I hope id listens to your ideas, yrim.

<< Comment #561 @ 05:43 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #223

agreed.

<< Comment #1048 @ 07:17 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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light - Reply to #223

great idea but utopia. Such systems will usually be ruined by lamers, and keeping it "unpersonal" if a lot of people dont need to chat then the guys they play against are aliens... See how xbox live harassment works. Ah well, guess im not making much sense, its a very good suggestion at all, but would be easily ruined by retards.

<< Comment #224 @ 21:46 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

outlaw

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Edited by outlaw at 17:08 CST, 14 November 2010

<< Comment #225 @ 22:13 CST, 8 December 2007 >>

By

outlaw

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Edited by outlaw at 17:08 CST, 14 November 2010

<< Comment #228 @ 02:17 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Bluder - Reply to #225

what do u know...

<< Comment #301 @ 07:06 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

By

randomness666 - Reply to #225

its mostly your own fault if u get telefragged.

<< Comment #227 @ 00:30 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

ia

Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sigourney Weaver should do announcements and voice-overs.

Please keep +button3.

I second yrim's suggestions.

Edited by ia_ at 00:46 CST, 9 December 2007

<< Comment #229 @ 03:01 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Aquashark '

- tiered armor system for fucks sake.. no more boring collect all armors and win tactic

- railgun damage has to be lowered to 90-80 & railgun firing should be a little delayed like in Quake2 (so it actually takes skill)

- lower machine gun damage to teamplay value (5 dmg/pellet)

- on the fly brackets system for on the fly cups/leagues

- double jumps and ramp jumps are mandatory to spice things up!
map navigating should me more exciting than boring strafe jumping (sorry Q3 fanboys, vq3 movement is really bland and a dumbed down version of Q2's movement)

<< Comment #234 @ 05:27 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #229

sorry but it suppose to be Q3 remake, so ....

<< Comment #250 @ 12:45 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #229

VQ3 is already perfectly balanced for competitive play. Strafejumping is still new to the mass, and still fun to almost everyone playing Q3. Think about the people outside ESR, they will have enought with learning circle jumping, strafejumping, etc, so please, NO gimmicks, keep things pure as they are now. Maybe a railgun decrease to 80 damage makes sense, but please NO gimmicks.

Thanks.

<< Comment #254 @ 13:09 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #250

dude.. don't bother to reply, i already know what the average q3 fanboy wants.

gimmicks, lol.. how about a game with a little more than strafe jumping? just so you don't fall asleep while you play/watch it..

<< Comment #264 @ 13:53 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #254

Just leave.

<< Comment #265 @ 13:56 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

naymlis - Reply to #264

you're a master debater

<< Comment #281 @ 21:20 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

cumrag - Reply to #265

lols

<< Comment #313 @ 08:04 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #254

this is a remake/update of q3, not your whatever quake, please realise that.

Edited by rahzei at 08:06 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #315 @ 08:11 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #313

ye, whatever
i'll prolly end up playing QZ CPM anyway
then all of us will wonder why the scene is so divided

<< Comment #317 @ 08:13 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #315

prolly

<< Comment #325 @ 08:46 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #250

lol are you serious? vq3 is anything BUT balanced..

<< Comment #338 @ 10:25 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #325

You don't get it.

<< Comment #348 @ 11:29 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #338

no please inform me what's so balanced about a really strong, rapid fire, hitscan spawn weapon, or 100rg... sorry i don't feel like playing a beefed version of ra3.

<< Comment #356 @ 13:05 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #348

When you play really good players you understand VQ3.

<< Comment #360 @ 13:28 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #356

when you play other games than vq3 you'll understand more about improved gameplay

Edited by Aquashark at 13:31 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #361 @ 13:30 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #360

When you stop talking about things you don't know you will stfu.

<< Comment #367 @ 15:12 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #361

lol? You're telling me because you are supposedly good at vq3 and played against good players we should just accept your opinion? Sorry vq3 has been flawed since 99, get over it.

<< Comment #368 @ 15:18 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #367

You haven''t understood the art of VQ3 since 99. You have failed on everything. You can leave esreality.com

<< Comment #378 @ 19:55 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #368

lulz osp fanbois always raged. lmao@u.

<< Comment #398 @ 05:19 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #378

cpma vq3 thx

<< Comment #418 @ 12:19 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #348

VQ3 aint balanced but your points are flawed. If "100 rg" is imba, then 100 rl dmg is in cpm tbh.

<< Comment #427 @ 13:25 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #418

lol? You're joking right? Why should a long range, HITSCAN weapon be as powerful as a projectile weapon?

<< Comment #436 @ 15:57 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #427

it aint that black and white, sorry

<< Comment #438 @ 16:06 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

By

naymlis - Reply to #436

he's right though...

<< Comment #439 @ 16:12 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #438

don't bother, he doesn't want to hear logic.

<< Comment #512 @ 16:44 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #438

hint hint 100 hp at spawn in cpm

<< Comment #552 @ 23:54 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #512

lol using an rl takes a lot more skill than a railgun...

<< Comment #555 @ 03:13 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #552

firing a rl at spawn points take skill?

anyway i guess in your cpm rampage u forgot that i think both rg in vq3 and rl in cpm are imba

<< Comment #603 @ 19:44 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #555

Hmmm the rl takes a lot more skill to use than a railgun... why do you think cs newbs that come play quake and use the rg can use it decently but don't have a shits ass about using the rl? have you forgotten that vq3 rl does 100dmg too? Oh wait that justifies the 100dmg rg? so that is balanced?

<< Comment #622 @ 04:16 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #603

actually they are a bit annoying with rl cos they shoot straight towards you and normally people shoot at the ground, and they often get shitty lucky :D

but ye i reckon what youre saying but i still think the rl and 100 spawn health is imba :)

<< Comment #1050 @ 07:22 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

By

light - Reply to #622

its not considering your opponent can only spawn in the furthest end of the map. So you need to fire a rocket at a long distance, and if you cant dodge that you are pretty newb tbh and deserve to get fragged :p

<< Comment #1072 @ 15:00 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #1050

well you got 100 hp till you get some armor or whatever, so the "problem" exists until then

<< Comment #936 @ 10:39 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #552

Have you used Q2 railgun?

<< Comment #1095 @ 09:52 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #936

dun play q2.

<< Comment #230 @ 03:08 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

wari

- ctf, duel and tdm is a must

- demo features like rewind and capture to avi (see ut2k4)

- q4 movement with crouchsliding, your argument that it keeps players on the ground is simply not true, play some ctf and watch.

- NEW maps, no remakes!

- best possible netcode and registration

- matchmaking and community building features

don't just make a q3 arena 2 please.

<< Comment #232 @ 03:33 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

injx

it would be nice to know what type of suggestions you're after. is this an all new quake, or is it going to be just vq3 with bells and whistles?

if its the former, it would be great to have all the different quakes represented in QZ, so include air-control, bunny, strafing, doublejump, rampjump, crouchslide. plus maps in a range of styles (q1 gothic, q2 industrial, q4 tech).

<< Comment #235 @ 05:38 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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ALonDonThinG - Reply to #232

"if its the former, it would be great to have all the different quakes represented in QZ, so include air-control, bunny, strafing, doublejump, rampjump, crouchslide. plus maps in a range of styles (q1 gothic, q2 industrial, q4 tech). "

That would be sooo sweet, all the best of quake movement in one package!

<< Comment #251 @ 12:47 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #235

That simply wouldn't work.

<< Comment #275 @ 15:16 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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ALonDonThinG - Reply to #251

enlighten me plz

<< Comment #276 @ 16:00 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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injx - Reply to #251

yeah because cpm doesnt work at all...

<< Comment #233 @ 04:54 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

LuGia

Directinput and cpma netcode.

<< Comment #239 @ 07:09 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #233

as long as i can turn direct input off :/

<< Comment #244 @ 10:52 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Nicky

i would like to see guns and maps please, thanks

<< Comment #246 @ 11:01 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #244

omg, nicky trolling.. unheard of

<< Comment #249 @ 12:09 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Bluder - Reply to #244

que?

<< Comment #253 @ 13:03 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge '

I just want both PunkBusterA and PunkBusterB to run non stop and my QZ to freeze every 5 seconds, and make sure one of them is a windows service. Thanks.

<< Comment #354 @ 12:38 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #253

I WANT 5 PUNKBUSTERS AND 130 RG DAMAGE

<< Comment #258 @ 13:28 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno

make the respawn timers transparent in the tutorial/help docs, newbies can't figure these things out on their own then wonder why they can never win

railgun -> nailgun (functioning like EB in warsow)

maybe do something like nerf MG and put headshot damage in just to keep the newbies interested, would probably help stop tdm cess too

rainbow player color selection

ztn/aero out of the box
built in clan arena, working tournament mode (do an infinite elimination bracket where the winners play the winners and losers play the losers weighted on streaks)

<< Comment #262 @ 13:38 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #258

almost forgot about a tourney mode.. i don't expect it to be in qz but it would be an excellent addition.. it was one of the few things raven added to q4 that was good even if it did have some flaws

<< Comment #267 @ 14:05 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #258

little clarification on infinite elimination:

so, say you have 8 players on server

toxic
fox
zanno
noob
newbie
n00b
newb
and sup3rl33tAWPg0d

round 1:
random seeding because everyone is at 0 wins
toxic (1) > zanno (0)
fox (1) > sup3rl33tAWPg0d (0)
noob (1) > n00b (0)
newb (1) > newbie (0)

round 2:
toxic (2) > noob (1)
fox (2) > newb (1)

zanno (1) > sup3rl33tAWPg0d (0)
n00b (1) > newbie (0)

round 3:
toxic (3) > fox (2)

zanno (2) > noob (1)
newb (2) > n00b (1)

newbie (1) > sup3rl33tAWPg0d (0)

round 4:
now because there is an uneven division of players, pick based on whoever is closest with a tiebreak of whether or not you won your last game

so

toxic (4) > newb (2)
(I could have potentially ended up in this match as well, fox couldn't be cause he lost)
fox (3) > zanno (2)

same dillema for the bottom half

newbie (2) > n00b (1)
noob (2) > sup3rl33tAWPg0d (0)

repeat until scorelimit is reached. this should keep everything fair, toxic and fox will more likely than not continue to play each other most often, superl33tAWPg0d will stay at the bottom of the barrel crouchwalking with his rail out vs the newbies on the server wondering why he can't get a single kill

<< Comment #328 @ 08:59 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #267

you forgot to mention cooller there :p

<< Comment #445 @ 17:49 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #328

i don't like him, he talks a lot of shit and never delivers

<< Comment #446 @ 18:52 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #445

I don't like him because z4 was better than cooller on pt4 and to me q3=pt4 (but that's just me maybe)
:)

<< Comment #448 @ 19:33 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #445

i don't like him, he talks a lot of shit and never delivers

http://cyberfight.org/offline/interviews/43572/

Tell me when you make a top 3 only on one of those tournaments.

<< Comment #452 @ 21:29 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #448

i don't talk a lot of shit

<< Comment #453 @ 21:30 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #452

i also don't get high before a grand final and be all w/e man i'll just be chilling on this map running around with the gauntlet for 2 mins straight

<< Comment #458 @ 06:59 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #448

Who cares about that? What matter is achievements, and he has them.

<< Comment #259 @ 13:32 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

By

Demiurge '

Whoops. this is about a *new* MP quake game, which QZ apparently isn't:
Moving from quake to quake+1 with the exception of Q4 has always been like changing a nice car for a more luxury, tuned, and features one. That is, the basic formula stayed the same but it became more and more refined. Movement felt smoother, more natural and plain comfortable and enjoyable. It's hard to convey why, but that was the impression. Weapons became more/differently balanced, giving each a distinct benefit in each situation and a higher skill ceiling. Maps changed from factories and caves transformed into gaming arenas, and not because of some twisted architecture and unnatural brush topology, but because of how the view opened up with LG when you sneaked into a room and how couldn't position yourself against only one line of attack while waiting for item to spawn. In the end, QZ has got to simply readjust the characteristics and refine the code in a simple. evolutionary, manner and provide a new, fun, playground, so that the game will not simply be more 'perfect' than Q3 was, but freshly addictive and fun.

Edited by Yeltsin at 14:51 CST, 9 December 2007

<< Comment #263 @ 13:46 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #259

Also, I don't think there is a need to release 20-some maps out of which only 5 will be played. Better cut the bad maps out and put the time and ideas from the other maps into those 5. But perhaps that is usually the aim and the dev. thinks all 20 are great, not sure.

<< Comment #268 @ 14:14 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #263

i say the best maps out of every quake should be selected and polished up a little

q1: dm2? (could work well with q3 movement), dm3, dm4, dm6
q2: dm1, whatever else people are playing...
q3: dm6, t4, dm13, dm17
q4: lol
custom land: aero, ztn, phrantic

this is already 12 maps. these maps have all proved themselves in one way or another and if you were throw in all these maps alone in i think you'd have a nice enough selection that nobody would complain about too few maps

<< Comment #269 @ 14:27 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #268

I'd have to disagree on your map choice, just take one best out of all the versions, and include that, besides that ONLY new maps.

IMO it's time for something new, but to include some old maps not to scare of the oldskool players:P

<< Comment #270 @ 14:30 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #269

yes because that's exactly what they did with quake 4 and it sure fucking worked

look nothing personal against id but their trackrecord for making good dm maps has been very bad, might as well cut development time and stick with a handful that they know are good

if i have to download aero for the 5th time i'm going to be very sad. new players don't want to deal with custom maps

Edited by Zanno at 14:31 CST, 9 December 2007

<< Comment #273 @ 15:04 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #270

if i have to download aero for the 5th time i'm going to be very sad. new players don't want to deal with custom maps

Correct, aero ztn etc out of the box or just fail.

<< Comment #274 @ 15:07 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #270

how about this, 1 map per game, and 1 custom map per game, aero from quakeworld and ztn from q3, (monsoon from q4?)

<< Comment #277 @ 17:20 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #274

phrantic. what stock map are they gonna use from q4? fleet? frag yard? none of them were really notable in comparison to classics like the campgrounds/the edge/the abandonded base.

<< Comment #305 @ 07:19 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #277

hmm no idea what map from q4:D

<< Comment #341 @ 10:51 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #270

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Damn that was a good one. A qw player talking about how 'new players' don't want to try new maps when the WHOLE fucking qw scene has played the same three maps for 10 years and there are still some people who don't want ztn/aero included. How hard is it to download a file and put it to place x?

<< Comment #375 @ 18:42 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #341

i play kenya all the time dude

<< Comment #376 @ 18:44 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #375

if you consider skull, ultrav, and e1m7 to be kenya ):

Edited by Zanno at 18:44 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #377 @ 18:46 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #376

and also other ztn maps, pkeg, efdm*, q3dm6qw, and a bunch of other random shit

<< Comment #392 @ 01:12 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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wch - Reply to #376

fuck yeah.

ultrav is fucking intense.

<< Comment #443 @ 16:52 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #392

yeah man

you have time the health packs to stay in the game, unlike the other maps where they're freaking everywhere

it's such a forgetting gem, if only someone would mod in a mega or ra at quad spawn

skull is a nice map too but one that would be really boring without qw physics...it's really kind of unfortunate, it shows how little exploration there's been done with the amazing things you can level-design wise with qw movement

<< Comment #381 @ 23:21 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #375

The black sheep of the qw community.

<< Comment #271 @ 14:49 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #268

i dont think that would be a new game...

<< Comment #266 @ 14:03 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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TelMarine - Reply to #259

well Quake Zero is really just Quake3 with some minor graphical improvements (according to johnc) and then they will be testing out stuff like matchmaking, etc. A lot of these suggestions seem better suited to the brand new Quake Arena, things like changing movement and weapons.

<< Comment #272 @ 14:50 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #266

Yeah.. I didn't know it wasn't gonna be a new game :o

<< Comment #278 @ 17:23 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno

oh

take out haste, battlesuit, regen, and bring back the pentagram of protection

also get rid of that predator warpy effect and bring back the eyes

Edited by Zanno at 17:25 CST, 9 December 2007

<< Comment #279 @ 17:24 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #278

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<< Comment #416 @ 11:46 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #278

nice idea.

<< Comment #491 @ 14:19 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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eri - Reply to #278

Uh

Pent is the gay for ctf

Haste is a quintessential pu for ctf maps

<< Comment #1202 @ 10:18 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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fojji - Reply to #278

I say add MORE hastes :) It's the most fun item in my book. I would even love to see it used in competitive 1v1

<< Comment #1207 @ 14:11 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #1202

Haste might work if they took out the double firing rate

Amp in UT is 2x as well and even without the speed increase it's still too lame for 1v1

<< Comment #1213 @ 15:10 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1207

double firing rate?
never noticed...

<< Comment #1289 @ 15:00 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #1213

really?!? You don't whip out the LG whenever you get haste?

<< Comment #282 @ 22:20 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun :

no stencil shadows because it looks like shit anyway and slows down the computers bigtime
use the same proportion between player movement/running speed and the size of player models (hitbox) as we have in quake3, else there will be the same problem that d3 and q4 had (q4 in the beginning), it was giving you the feeling you don't move fast enough and then there was the problem with hitting the ceiling with your head when jumping which was pretty stupid

also pt4, ztn, t2 and pdm6 remakes would be ok
if remakes will be shit nobody will play them, so why no remakes?

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 22:27 CST, 9 December 2007

<< Comment #283 @ 22:54 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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manic

A proper tourney mode, I.E. one that is not "in game" like Q4's. So that players can play their matches without having to stay on the server. This could be done with unique player ID's which I'm sure will probably be built in.

AAAAND

Being able to watch demos in a web browser, think YouTube for Q3 demos :)

<< Comment #284 @ 23:25 CST, 9 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #283

like ggpo.net's dojo.. would be awesome for quake zero

<< Comment #288 @ 02:28 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #284

That would be the best feature ever.

Imagine going to quakezero.com, following a link that says "Recent Tournaments", selecting one and being able to watch all the matches streamed from the web browser.

<< Comment #292 @ 06:51 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #288

sif id will actually implement any of this stuff..

<< Comment #287 @ 02:08 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Twist`

- Based on CPMA VQ3
- RG = 80 damage
- Octagonal hitboxes (smaller than current ones)
- Some new *quality* maps

<< Comment #291 @ 05:37 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #287

don't touch the fucking hitbox ffs.

<< Comment #302 @ 07:10 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #291

afraid u cant hit at all ?

<< Comment #306 @ 07:22 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #302

the good old q3 hitboxes are fine, people have been playing with square hitboxes for ages now, I don't think it will be a good idea to come up with all new hitboxes, and the octagonal hitboxes from q4 did give some issues at the start.

<< Comment #309 @ 07:43 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #306

i see you like being able to hit your opponent without actually aiming at him, cool for you buddddddy :>

<< Comment #1528 @ 14:08 CST, 9 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (c-69-247-26-66.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) - Reply to #309

the quake 3 hitboxes are fine...I believe youre thinking of the quake 4 hitboxes ..those are the ones that didnt require aiming.

<< Comment #321 @ 08:33 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #306

The fact something has been someway for ages is often used as an argument against change. That's flawed reasoning.

Connections, net code and FPS have all been improved immensely with the result everybody's grandma can hit 40% RG. I'd like a bit more challenge and as a side effect, it promotes aggresive gameplay.

<< Comment #336 @ 10:02 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #321

I mean more like, it caused issues with movement, bit smaller chance too to hit, I just think new hitboxes would require some more balancing, at least we know how to balance things with the hold square hitboxes, I'm rather oldskool and I, myself have no problems with octagonal hitboxes.

But well yeah, you're right connections are getting better, perhaps if it will have a good netcode...:D

<< Comment #388 @ 01:05 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #336

That's the point, to make the hit area smaller :) And movementwise it shouldn't be hard to keep the clipping the same as it is now I reckon.

I just played a duel in the USA on ping 140 and it's amazing how many rails I managed too hit. That's not me aiming all that well, that's netcode + hitbox.

<< Comment #339 @ 10:28 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #302

Im afraid that they start to fuck up internet play with stupid things like that. Square hitboxes are fine. Going beyond that will only increase problems.

<< Comment #350 @ 11:43 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #339

how can that fuck it up ? now u have to hit where u aim and not 1 cm off

<< Comment #1290 @ 15:02 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #339

I think the movement and hitboxes in Q4 are superior to q3, and it's using the octagonal shape.

<< Comment #1321 @ 21:53 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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revoN - Reply to #287

I'm in for octagonal hitboxes as well. It would raise the skill bar a bit (which is a good thing imo). No need to be rewarded for landing shots which shouldn't have registered. Might decrease the hitscan ownage too, octagonal hitboxes.

<< Comment #289 @ 02:35 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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tzz

A few more:

- Fixed SG spread?
- Bloodsplatters positioned like in Q4 so they don't obstruct the view and give some information.
- High resolution crosshairs
- Clan system, apart from the friends one. I haven't really toyed with Halo a lot, but as I understand you can have your clan, get ready for a match and then just challenge another one. All eight players join a server (should be a dedicated one in QZ) and play without any hassle.

It has been said, but some "official tournaments" thingie where the web runs a tournament would be great. It would be even better if players could create unofficial tournaments that had their own section. Also, from the official tournaments sections you should be able to spectate matches in progress, watch demos from finished matches and see the brackets / classification. That would be more web traffic, more ads and more money, so make it ! :P

<< Comment #304 @ 07:15 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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ix

Maek it like CPMA! I hear it is gud.

<< Comment #308 @ 07:40 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #304

ja ja, but with crotchslide and headshots

<< Comment #337 @ 10:03 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #308

crotchslide, made me chuckle:D

<< Comment #319 @ 08:24 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (stjhnf0120w-142163074052.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net)

make sure it's fullscreen and configs are adjustable

<< Comment #311 @ 07:47 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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exp!

Besides all gameplay changes/additions, I think anyone can't disagree the following competitive features list:
- cfg tweaking
- scalable graphics
- bright skins
- ready, timeout, speclock, coach features
- new fresh maps
- accurate match statistics
- mass spectating system (gtv)
- server browser

With these basic features it will be for sure a SUCCESS.

<< Comment #312 @ 07:56 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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met

agree with:
-cmpa features
-lower rail (also a better general weapon balance would be good, like: underpowering shaft, overpowering plasma and shotgun, more knockback on rockets so would be harder to use it on little distances, etc.)
-easy strafejump movements + double jump
-new maps
-q3/qw style
-tutorials

then, what about making the game a LITTLE BIT quicker, mantaining noob-friendly movements, just maybe more speed on movements, minor weapon-recharge and minor (not none) weapon-switch

<< Comment #314 @ 08:09 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- '

cpma = sensible features.

come discuss in #promode ppl there may be dicks but at least there are some sensible ones when it comes to gameplay mechanics.

Edited by xerosawyer at 08:12 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #330 @ 09:06 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #314

that would be a first LOL :<

<< Comment #334 @ 09:27 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #330

?

<< Comment #610 @ 21:34 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #314

I think the whole point of this, is to try and get a biggish community of DM newbies to play this. So I would suggest staying far away from #promode or alternatively they could ask around there, and then do the exact opposite.

<< Comment #612 @ 22:47 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #610

Actually the cpm community has been much more accommodating to new players than any other q3 scene especially the vq3 scene...

<< Comment #316 @ 08:11 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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rahzei

i see a lot havent realised this isnt a new game

<< Comment #326 @ 08:48 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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jonte - Reply to #316

no not yet, it isnt even released atm

<< Comment #329 @ 09:01 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #326

wut

<< Comment #327 @ 08:50 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xero- '

alt+tab...

<< Comment #342 @ 10:55 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

I see a problem with Quake Zero. I don't see where id is aiming to, but I guess they want to see the game in big events, besides being a game played online by millions of people. So, there needs to be a way that you can run the game totally offline, without needing to "log in" at the webpage.

Appart from that, remember there is already announced that a "new Quake Arena game" will be released in the future. This is still far away from today, but we would like to play QZ only until the new Quake Arena is done. This basically means that the more you delay a QZ release, the less time it will be "on the spotlight" regarding big events and competitions, as im sure QZ will be replaced with the new Quake Arena game, kind of overshadowing his little brother (I ofcourse wouldn't care to see both games being played at the same tournament, better than HALO3s or FIFAs), but sadly, this is unlikely to happen.

So, Syncerror, give us an aproximate release date.

Thanks.

<< Comment #344 @ 11:02 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #342

they havent even begun making the new arena game afaik?

<< Comment #346 @ 11:12 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #342

As usual there are no set deadlines, I hate to throw around the 'when it's done' but that would be accurate. However, we're not talking a lengthy development cycle.

Approximately soonish.

<< Comment #349 @ 11:33 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #346

i like the sound of that :)

<< Comment #362 @ 13:32 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #346

I hope soonish is really soonish and not dec' 2008 soonish.

<< Comment #389 @ 01:07 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #362

Stop complaining about everything...

<< Comment #364 @ 14:19 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #346

What about more info? Any ETA for that?

We are dying to know more :<

<< Comment #369 @ 15:43 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #346

ooowww. soonish. id love to have an absolute estimation :)

but i guess in about 6 months?

<< Comment #371 @ 15:46 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #346

some info now and then would be cool to keep us pumped up until release :)
make a dev blog please

Edited by Aquashark at 15:47 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #1075 @ 15:25 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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G2Wolf - Reply to #346

Starting to sound like DNF >_>

<< Comment #347 @ 11:12 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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xchaser

My wish is already done by id software and that is that id makes the Quake games and not another company. I don't mind mods by other company. Thanks IDSoftware/SyncError.

<< Comment #357 @ 13:12 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (c-d3b8e253.04-131-73766c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)

why oh why?

<< Comment #358 @ 13:25 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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mnemjc

Q3 + q4 maps and q4 movement = Q0

<< Comment #359 @ 13:27 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #358

hahahahah =D

<< Comment #363 @ 13:32 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #358

just quit man

<< Comment #370 @ 15:45 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #358

Q5 = Q1+ q4 maps ? ..................

Edited by T-B0N3 at 15:45 CST, 10 December 2007

<< Comment #374 @ 17:37 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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exp! - Reply to #370

q0 = q4 - q4
that's obvious!

<< Comment #390 @ 01:08 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #374

Hehehehee

<< Comment #474 @ 10:24 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #374

or q3 + q1 - q4

<< Comment #373 @ 17:07 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by outlaw at 17:09 CST, 14 November 2010

<< Comment #533 @ 09:40 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme - Reply to #373

http://www.promode.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3747

I think since it's a part of Quake ever since, it probably shouldn't be touched.

<< Comment #380 @ 21:28 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Derb_

same quake 3 feel.

<< Comment #384 @ 23:40 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (f055121248.adsl.alicedsl.de)

ive compared alot ov movements from doom1 upto quake4.
i know many people are underestimating the quake3 movement and how important it is and how much can be done with it or how long you need to master it (e.g. defrag, or some produeldemos)

it is mainly a matter of preferences how players compare movement.
and how deep it is often is blended by how much they like a game or have played it, or lack of real intensive comparison.
i have done many tricks in duel, tdm, ctf maps in qw, q2, q3 and q4.
now why i prefer not adding ramps and double nor crouchjump:
i believe most people are irritated when bodies are behaving like on the moon. its something unexpected and many doesnt like the idea - even the vq3 concept is fast and sometimes unpredictable jumping for some people.
take qw as an example - how often have you tried to show people who are not into a very fast fps game a demo?

vq3 is the borderline(middle in quake) i would say. it can be understandable, is not too fast nor has it too many unrealistic tricks in it.
now what some people are talking in here is maybe the idea of the next "superharcoretrickfps".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beduEFYqVHQ&feature=related
play that game if you are hardcore :Pp
there is a reason why vq3 is still so popular, easy to learn hard to master. i dont think qw or q2 or q4 are as easy to learn, and i dont start the discussion of the limit to save our time.
most people will say that zero4, cooller, toxic, purri, griffin, reppie... are all highskilled in their game and all demos are nice to watch.is vq3 movement as deep as others? i think it is nearly the same in all quakes.
do i care? no ! i have decent gameplay in all quakegames and in doom. and i like all idgames - but i do know what a learningcurve is and how jumping can be compared to each other.
q3 is relativly easy to learn and to understand, but the depth is very good too! and it looks realistic which is a point that many people can identify with.
its like running in real life. left right left right, the same like on the keyboard and not moving in air and not jumping 3m high after a ramp or stairs nor sliding on the ground for 2 seconds. easy to think into, although not as easy as mainstream games. its a good middle for me and i tend to say a good middle to have big success.
so why i prefer it? because vq3 can be played by noobs and learned by pros. the vq3 learning curve is close to an ideal for new players and for longtime players.

although there has to be special servers for noobs too. because i dont like the idea that oldschool people will rape everybody.
when q4 was released i watched the servers the first 3 months.
it is not really cool when people who know nothing about quake plays on the same servers like the old fans. i bet most oldschool people would not play on servers labeled as rookies. because they know what to do

after thinking about the future movement of games for a long time i can say the only idea that suits into vq3 is the add of a single(highest 2) walljump like seen in streettrick videos. it can be done and sometimes can help to get to a higher level or around a corner ...
most other suggestions in here from the trickers i think are often personal preferences, not thought some hours about the topic of making quake not the next game in the line but the biggest game that is !

idsoft can add all these features as a vote, i think it shouldnt be that hard with all the sourcecodes around. but NOT as the DEFAULT. vq3 as close as possible - with the possibility to do a realistic walljump (watch streettrick vids to understand my definition) if other people like the idea too. if not then vq3 like always.
about the rail 100 can be debated, its true that rail 40 upto 55 is not that uncommon today in internet. and therefore some people run around only with the rail. dunno im not bad with rail, neither very good. but i think all weapons should be strong:
so what is the thought? think of a real combat situation -
snipers do not shoot with their rifle in near combat.
so it shouldnt be that railers use their rail in all situations because its the strongest weapon in all situations
(reloadtime, only headshot and heartshot are deadly ...)

im not generally against new or old things, but they have to fit in the vq3 concept. the vq3 feeling, i hope some people are now really trying again and comparing again.
vq3 is simple but beautiful, try to get into the idea and feeling.
maybe look at ut3 which has more close to the ground movement now like vq3, i truly believe there is a reason for that (although i dont like the idea of removing the big dodgejump)

and the most important thing of all: dont make q3 another game, dont change too much. the idea is to make it a better game because it already is good ! to make another game out of it could fail misserably if not everybody is knowing what she/he is doing exactly ! (and we know out of the last 5 to 8 years that nobody seems to know what this progaming thing is about)
so stay close to the ground of vq3 pls.

dm6 brigdge to rail is already too hard for many people in a real duel. i can do it 70-90percent of the time i guess. but why do i know so many people who cant do it or even more poeple who will never learn it ? make it alittle bit easier again like in osp.
and t2 jump should be doable again too.

why ? because its important to have those maps in the starting pack. how would q0 look if mostly all starting maps are worse than the known maps of the other quake games?
this doesnt mean that they have to be played in official tournaments in the beginning. this is only a building ground !!!
people who wanna get right in the action can play and test quake0 with their old maps like always. and provide fast suggestions and fast support on the engine,maps and errors.
tbh i even go as far as providing ALL important old quakemaps from every quake, maybe even the most known wolf3d doom1 and doom2 maps! e1m1,dm4,q2dm1...
but still with the known vq3 maps for hardcore players (because we all know oldschool qw or q2 players will always like the maps in their old games better)
but q0 should be both for fun AND for pro.
ofc progaming as the maingoal, otherwise the goal is too low. the old quakes are already very good - this has to be even better !

<< Comment #396 @ 03:19 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (lohja167.lohja.fi) - Reply to #384

If you care to use full stops and paragraphs then why not start the sentences with a capital letter and use commas and apostrophes aswell? Yes, nazipolizei here.

<< Comment #412 @ 10:42 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #384

That was good. I agree in VQ3 being the most balanced gameplay, being on "the middle". Not realistic physics, fast physics, but not car racing physics (QW, CPM physics). Again, easy to learn, hard to master.

Remember we want to make this Quake the bigger (in terms of fanbase) Quake, not the next Quake, leave that for Quake 5 Arena. Stick with Q3 and work on all the extra things to make newbies start playing the easiest way possible.

<< Comment #666 @ 06:30 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #412

m8 when Schumacher races a Ferrari he goes fast. When you race a Ferrari you won't go as fast ofc but you would you rather race a Yugo?

Players use the movement as much as they can. Just because you want to use 70% of it, it doesn't mean we'll cap it @ 70 because then the players who can and want to use 100% of it won't be able to. Same applies to all 'advanced' features in a game. You don't want to use them? Fine, others however, do.

<< Comment #449 @ 19:35 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #384

lol, that mario level seemed pretty hard :D

<< Comment #483 @ 12:16 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #384

"there is a reason why vq3 is still so popular"

Actually it isn't. If anything it's the least popular of the 3 quakes.

<< Comment #484 @ 12:22 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #483

Are you serious?

<< Comment #485 @ 13:11 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #484

Erm look at how many leagues/competitions there are for qw/q2 then compare that to the amount avaliable for q3... q3 tdm scene is dead... q3 ctf scene is barely alive... ra3.. lol?

<< Comment #516 @ 20:41 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (g228157218.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #485

why am i convinced about how strong q3 is:

=if i had played all pickups, tournaments i knew of this
year in q3, this would have been an 8h job

=every year including 2007 there were big and famous q3lanstourneys with nice players in it and hard competition

=never had a problem finding players on servers or people who wanna play with me 24/7 on nearly every time throughout the day

=i am a serverbrowser refresher :) only telling what i saw the last years:
there are quake3 players playing the whole day, and more than in most other deathmatch games. and i know alot of them have good skills. look how many players there are and how many servers !

=i am not only familiar with q3, i am following and participating in other idseries too. in other series often the players know every face - even every newb. in q3 its very hard to know every player who plays regularly !

=dunno, i know most leagues and tournaments of all quakegames. but when i personaly count all together i get the result that quake3 is one of the strongest.

and one thing is strange for me, if people are only reading the esr news - hey i have read things about q3 (lan, dueltourney, cpmduel, ctf tournament, eurocup, new movies ...) every week.
and there werent all news about q3 mentioned in esr.

and whats whith all the quake3 channels in irc? there are several hundreds people around in them overall. many people are only in 1 or 2 quake3 channels but still playing.

maybe you are talking that quake3 is not as strong as starcraft or counterstrike, but with a very good quakezero its only a matter of time if you ask me till q3 is on the top of the world.

<< Comment #518 @ 22:15 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #516

lol what good quake3 lan's? what good quake3 players? sorry vq3 has become extremely boring and dry to watch, i mean i used to find exciting but it has lost all of its character as players just sit and rail 60%+. Sorry the Q3 tdm scene is long dead and the ctf scene is barely there, the qw tdm scene is still active... nuff said :/

<< Comment #529 @ 08:25 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #518

the quakecon thing was fun too watch:P all pros, all quakes:P

<< Comment #553 @ 00:00 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #529

are you talking about that quadquake one? where it was setup for toxic to win? ye would of loved to see tox playing def in qw ... rpe game.

<< Comment #379 @ 20:53 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Lsv

tits.

<< Comment #383 @ 23:40 CST, 10 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (d198-53-124-128.abhsia.telus.net)

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FEATURE (I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS) that's in CPMA and Q4max absolutely HAS to be in the STOCK GAME.
NO RELEASING THE FUCKING GAME WHILE IT'S STILL BROKE AS FUCK - GET SOME PROS TO COME AND BETA TEST IT OR SOMETHING
no exceptions, no pissing around because it's not a "wise business decision" or some shit like that, MAKE THE GAME FUCKING PERFECT, REGARDLESS OF THE COMMUNITY

all the stupid pub monkeys will be like OH HEY THIS IS AWESOME~ because they are too retarded to know how to install CPMA and Q4max to begin with

make the spawns completely random so you can't force spawn and make the stupid nub faggot quit after 3 minutes because he can't leave RA room

make sure your matchmaking is GODLY
IT MUST account things like:
win loss ratio PER MAP, and versus WHAT players, not just "player x wins 80% of his games, we don't care that he only plays this easy map against these horrible players" general
weapon accuracies, frags with each weapon, which weapons are on the maps, etc
THE DEPTH has to be INSANE
this game HAS to be the next big thing for deathmatch.
Unreal Tournament 3 fucking blows.

<< Comment #391 @ 01:09 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #383

Take a pill or something...

<< Comment #395 @ 03:10 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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exp! - Reply to #391

i lol'd

<< Comment #399 @ 05:21 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #383

Now thats the spirit.

<< Comment #527 @ 05:27 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Raist - Reply to #383

Made out of 100% pure win just because of the way he expressed his points.

<< Comment #387 @ 00:58 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

By

something that i haven't seen mentioned yet:

get rid of the pvs sound. it's retarded just moving one unit and being able to hear/not hear something.

<< Comment #393 @ 02:22 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Lukas

A few suggestions (also allready mentioned):

- quake 2 style spawnweapon
- quake 2 doublejump
- aircontrol or crouchslide, not both
- option to make spawnpoints visible
- immortals handicap option
- weapondrop in TDM (make it voteable)
- non-sucky sound for people without OpenAL
- new maps, focussed on gameplay not on looks

- mapbuilder included?
- make it easy to design your own skins

<< Comment #400 @ 06:04 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (211-10.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch)

!-ear friendly sounds
!-more statistics
!-eye friendli grafix
-a 2d map
-an intelligent camera system
-keep the hitbox squared
(-hand friendly downwards aim)
-no need for fancy cfgs
-no need to upload demos anywhere,
server side publicat. system

? new maps
? a backstory

<< Comment #401 @ 06:17 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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azmo

why cant i see the comments?

<< Comment #403 @ 06:53 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

- solid movement tutorial � la Defrag + Portal
more ideas presented here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1472482

also i'll add to that: movement (strafe jumping etc.) at first should be practiced with lower timescale so the n00b can understand what to press to perform a certain series of jumps.. as difficulty increases timescales increases too towards default value of 1

<< Comment #405 @ 07:49 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #403

And achievements for that a la Portal so people have another incentive to learn the movement.

<< Comment #411 @ 09:02 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #405

a cake ?

<< Comment #515 @ 19:31 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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wn - Reply to #411

Why bother? Its just a lie.

<< Comment #408 @ 08:19 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #403

and promise the user a cake for making it through the tutorials!!!!

<< Comment #1464 @ 04:52 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #408

quake needs more cake

<< Comment #413 @ 10:47 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Don't use traductions of any kind, specially of the announcers. Force everyone to stick with the classic Q3 announcer, the other ones sound simply ridiculous. Also, you want to make the terms known everywhere the same (ie, a quad damage is a quad damage, regardless the language you talk). Just like in Corea they refeer to Starcraft units in original english, but not on Corean. That kind of stuff sounds better in english, thats it.

<< Comment #423 @ 12:52 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #413

Korea?

<< Comment #428 @ 13:42 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #423

whatever

<< Comment #415 @ 11:46 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Jamerio :

I think the problem will be the execution of the good ideas, as opposed to id actually needing some good ideas in the first place.

<< Comment #417 @ 11:48 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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hydra

- cpma netcode
- enemycolors, crosshaircolors, ... you get what I mean.
- not-buggy movement
- extra maps included like f.e. ztn3tourney1 (if authors allow it of course)
- web portal like Yrim explained above. Perhaps it would be a good idea to rate players from level 1 to 10 also. You can only increase your level by playing opponents who are as good or better than you.
- perhaps limit the amount of graphics tweaking. I would love to play q3 with full gfx settings but disabling everything is just so more advantageous.

<< Comment #419 @ 12:22 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #417

whats the difference in picmip 0 and green enemy models and picmip 8 and green enemy models?

<< Comment #420 @ 12:33 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #419

less stress on the eyes without all the textures id say.

<< Comment #425 @ 13:16 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #420

i agree im a lego quake dude myself, but other ones cant play with it, but what i meant was that it aint really a disadvantage

<< Comment #451 @ 20:32 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #420

i find that there's better contrast w/ picmip 0. Also doesn't bug my eyes as much.

<< Comment #441 @ 16:17 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (f055175076.adsl.alicedsl.de) - Reply to #417

you are good enough to play with picmip 0 with no disadvantage i would say :))

for me theres no question: all modern clients and mods are highly customizeable. its because people want the game to behave and look how they like it. there only has to be a way to decide from which point it is or can be considered a cheat !

custom configs for custom people :pp

<< Comment #422 @ 12:42 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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c1nd3r

Quake ZERO. The last hope for deathmatch. I hope it combines OSP-CPMA-RA3-UFT-INSTAGIB into one amazingly good 'mod' and kills off quake 3 completely (except for cpma CPM players)

<< Comment #430 @ 14:49 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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xgo

why do u all want cpma features?
if they put mod support in why should they spend their time doing what has already been done.
They should do something that will attract a lot of people and put some features cpma cant.

<< Comment #431 @ 14:52 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #430

jeez..

<< Comment #434 @ 15:32 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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xgo - Reply to #431

get a life...

<< Comment #440 @ 16:15 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #434

im on his side, id rather not be in the need of a mod again :|

<< Comment #459 @ 07:03 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #430

hopefully we dont need mods again...
it works without for other great esport games like cd and wc3, too

<< Comment #465 @ 07:57 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #430

Mods will kill it.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1478574

<< Comment #433 @ 15:30 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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SobriuS

Multi-OS support from the start.
easy to use, easy to get and free of charge.

<< Comment #435 @ 15:41 CST, 11 December 2007 >>

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TelMarine - Reply to #433

quake zero is free.

<< Comment #456 @ 04:39 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

By

i cannot see the comments

<< Comment #460 @ 07:19 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

By

ignore everything nemecel says and make a new game.

i don't want to have another version of quake world, or quake2, or quake3 or quake4.

I want a new quake game, like each version of quake has been.

<< Comment #461 @ 07:28 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #460

quake zero wont be a new game tho.

you will get your new quake in the next quake arena which uses idtech5.

<< Comment #462 @ 07:37 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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OrangeChef - Reply to #461

f/e

But still, they should just ignore Nemecel.

He can't even spell Korea....

<< Comment #463 @ 07:55 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #462

he has some good ideas but his "i am right and you are FUCKING wrong in EVERY possible way" attitude is a bit annoying ;)

<< Comment #503 @ 06:18 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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OrangeChef - Reply to #463

basicly

<< Comment #464 @ 07:56 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #462

lol@raged aussies

<< Comment #467 @ 08:47 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #464

what about severity?!?
you gotta tell us more about that!!

Edited by Aquashark at 08:48 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #499 @ 15:13 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #467

Ask Angel.

<< Comment #481 @ 11:28 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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deathinfire - Reply to #462

http://www.medeasin.com/coreaspelling.htm

hrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrh :\

<< Comment #468 @ 08:50 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme

Just to throw my two cents in:

I think the GUI of qw client ezQuake is one of the best things i have ever seen and I would love to find something like that in q0.*
Especially config.cfg import and export, !!! the ladder one is really sweet because it's all put into a beautiful order. This is important to give unadvanced players easy access to config tweaking.

*(Probably should put an "advanced options" button somewhere that makes massive customization options accessible, so new players don't get scared or overwhelmed when the first enter the options menu.)

Edited by somebodyshootme at 08:52 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #472 @ 10:11 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun :

"SyncError is asking for input on Quake Zero"
is he involved in any way in the development of the game?

<< Comment #479 @ 10:51 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #472

/me nods.

<< Comment #475 @ 10:25 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun :

make public as fast as possible some alpha version with editor included so there will be many maps available at the release
if you want to make the game noob friendly you must include tons of big maps to support more players
you should maybe add one or two strong weapons (with similar effects like the bfg) and put the weapons in most of the bigs maps to let the noobs make frags
include some class players like class-noob :D with 200 health and 200 armor and 15% faster movement

<< Comment #476 @ 10:38 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #475

i guess the maps from q3 will be compatible.

<< Comment #477 @ 10:44 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #476

it won't have bumpmapping? or will the textures be remaid?

<< Comment #478 @ 10:47 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #477

they will only spice q3's graphics up a bit and not like mad ;)

<< Comment #501 @ 15:14 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #478

hmmm
how will they spice the graphics then even a bit ?
support for higher resolutions ?
faster compiler ?
:-?
(just wondering, don't want to bash or smth)

<< Comment #502 @ 15:18 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #501

im not working on quake zero, how should i know ;p

<< Comment #480 @ 11:28 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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tzz

Another little suggestion: apart from the numbers, bind by default the weapons around the movement keys (at least rocket, rail, shaft and plasma in qefc, since the first four ones are above wsad anyways). That simple change can mean a lot to a newb. Maybe change the crouch key too to something more suitable nowadays, like CTRL.

Also gief beta :<

<< Comment #482 @ 11:48 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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wata

GTV should be appealing to newbies :

1) it should have its own filter in the server browser (� la q4 but improved, at least having a description -q4 just having an enygmatic icon)

2) a way should be found to separate "gtv diffusing joe vs bob match on a random server" from gtv diffusing important esport matches.
in other words : GTVs of -let say- clanbase or eswc should be shown as a special gtv, with the name of the event and such informations easily editable by the gtv owner, and having "big flashes and sounds and promise of penis enlargement and more" around its line in the server browser so even the guy with no clue couldn't miss it.
the more important gtv's events (finals) should be advertised in q0 main page itself (if I've understood, q0 will be like having an embedded internet browser in it, nope ?)

why : a newcomer to a game has to see its gameplay potential, and nothing's better to do this than a demonstration from high skilled players.
gtv improvement is as important as having the movement tutorials : tutorials teach you that special movements exist and how to practice them, gtv show you what it's really about
moreover, having a gtv well advertised in the server browser, and especially the important matches, is a feature anyone in here would enjoy I guess.
also it would fill a bit the gap between casual gamers and esport world ; both "communities" would come closer, instead of having them frankly separated

edit : ofc it has to be coded and implemented by id and available at game release.
it shall not need the use of obscur console's cvars to be set (= lag free) but have friendly user menu options for this if needed.
qwtv of latest dreamhack was the best game-tv I've experienced so far : clicked a link on an internet page, nothing more, and I was watching the lag free match linked to

Edited by wata at 13:23 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #524 @ 04:12 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #482

EZTV style is the at the forefront of gaming tv imo.

<< Comment #486 @ 13:28 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

By

Maybe id could just use (with permission of course) the code used to create mods that already have the features everyone is talking about. Like CPMA netcode, etc...

That way they id can spend their time building up features which no mod currently offers (matchmaking, better graphics) rather than fixing bugs from Q3base that have already been fixed and implementing things we are asking for which have already been coded about 10 times.

And we all benefit from that of course because we will be playing QZ that much faster.

<< Comment #487 @ 13:29 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Higher res fonts and crosshairs.

Re: Collisions on patch meshes.
As we know in q3 the actual collision mesh on curves is on quite a low LOD - often blocking what looks like a clean shot at low r_subdivision values.
PB typically blocks the "good" value that shows patch meshes as they would collide, but you can't educate the server admins about that. It would be really nice to have a real solution to this. (Tech4's "no LOD on patch meshes" policy comes to mind).

If you're going to re-run bsp/light/vis etc on the maps, some lightmap filtering � la Q3Map2 would be nice.

Smooth dynamic lights, the big pixelated blob is so last century :)

Q3 had 3D positional audio some time ago. It'd be nice to have some again (mm, back/front filtering), just as long as it's not a direct port of D3/Q4's ;)

Fixed movement physics with 125hz feeling. Other than that, pretty much VQ3, maybe <100dmg rail. Dare I suggest the hitboxes become 8-sided axis aligned ? (and hopefully it doesn't break some parts of movement as that did in Q4).

"Protected" demo playback, CPMA-style. Bonus points for an actual pause function :)

Clan Arena is good for newcomers.

And if you're only gonna have one osp/cpma feature : timeouts. OK, two features : warmup and timeouts. :)

Edited by hemosaek at 13:31 CST, 12 December 2007

<< Comment #492 @ 14:28 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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arQon - Reply to #487

> Bonus points for an actual pause function :)

Demo pausing is already available in CNQ3. As the original author of that piece of code, which is (obviously) based on code that id owns, I grant id an irrevocable license in perpetuity to use it, free of any encumbrance.

(Now watch some RMS-wannabe lunatic tell me I can't do that... :P)

<< Comment #494 @ 14:48 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #492

you can't do that!

<< Comment #525 @ 04:15 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #494

RMS-wannabe lunatic

<< Comment #526 @ 04:35 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #525

thanks for pointing me out. feels awesome to be acknowledged

<< Comment #495 @ 14:53 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #487

Higher res fonts and crosshairs.

only optional pls! at least for the crosshairs :x

<< Comment #488 @ 13:37 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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DWdanne

I know a lot of people have been saying that autodownload should be on and so on, I personally think there should be a common repository where the maps and mods can be acquired.

Image the following scenario: I click on a server that I want to join (or a "play CTF pickup in California"-button or whatever on a homepage) . I then get a dialog which tells me that I am lacking mod A and map B and the dialog shows me several URLs where I can acquire these. On the dialog there might also be a list of other maps that the server has.

Another thing I'd like to see is the possibility to use mods together - mods that doesn't overlap (does not use the same files) should be possible to use together. Maybe even be able to load installed mods on the fly with clients ON the server, instead of each mods having to implements all other mods to have their separate feature.

<< Comment #489 @ 13:54 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #488

Big plus on the common repository.

<< Comment #493 @ 14:40 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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arQon - Reply to #489

Big minus on it, cf TurkeyFiles going offline and there suddenly being NO way to get missing files "in" the game. Okay, so it's Q4 and that had more than enough problems with downloads/addons/etc anyway, but a single point of failure that DOESN'T properly fall back to "download it off the poxy server that's insisting I get it in the first place" is a really really bad idea.

Incidentally, Q3 autodl is "bad" for a very strange reason - it's capped by *sv_fps* and by a "secret" 1100-ish byte limit ON each snap, which is why it's a miserable 30K/s absolute max even on LAN (and, obviously, typically far far less than that). I got it up to around 220K/s by poking at it a bit in CNQ3, which is pretty decent, but a "proper" sideband for it would definitely be the way to go.

<< Comment #496 @ 14:55 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #493

maybe a common repository is a good idea if idsoftware host it with fallback servers. :x

<< Comment #773 @ 16:13 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #496

Ya. I would donate $$ to that, so i could use it with servers I'll be renting.

<< Comment #1130 @ 03:22 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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escapedturkey - Reply to #493

I wish I could have kept TurkeyFiles going but I couldn't afford the $1k per month + bandwidth bill. It may not be a problem for id since this will be advertising based and they can afford the bill. All they need is a cheap Cogent line for it. Internap for bandwidth, while great for game servers, would be overkill for a file server system.

It would be cool if id could make some sort of file repository system along with perhaps a sorta torrent system as well -- so bandwidth isn't so much an issue. Perhaps where all game servers contribute a little bit and either round robin or it does a multiple bits of file transfer from various sources (i.e. like what those download accelerators did -- file transfer from multiple sources at a once, but only a little bit from each). And/or people could volunteer http redirect mirrors and get priority advertising space.

<< Comment #490 @ 14:09 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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tzz

- Assign .qzd (or whatever the extension for Q0 demos is) to Quake Zero, so they get played just with a double click.

- I suppose you already did this, but it would be nice to have a browser protocol for the most common actions (like Steam's http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_browser_protocol).

<< Comment #498 @ 15:11 CST, 12 December 2007 >>

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noctis

500 \o/

<< Comment #504 @ 06:24 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (212.235.182.126) - Reply to #498

oh pls :P

btw opera is having a hard time opening a page with 500 comments; comments issue fix comming soon=?

<< Comment #505 @ 06:40 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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shoxxr - Reply to #504

Ye, its called firefox :-P

<< Comment #506 @ 06:44 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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shoxxr

I always thought a "design your own crosshair" utility would be good.

<< Comment #508 @ 10:09 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #506

Ye, its called ms paint :-P

<< Comment #507 @ 07:06 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

By

no pb

<< Comment #513 @ 17:17 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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tzz

A few more that haven't been said:

- Proper custom aspect ratios support (or, at least, 16:9, 16:10 and 5:4).
- Thinner shaft or a thinshaft option.
- Compressed demos
- Let us completely disable rewards, including sound, but add one for midairs (rockets and grenades) and maybe change impressives to trigger at three consecutive hits or two consecutive hits in less than x seconds.

Another great option would be the one that Virtua Fighter 5 has on the japanese arcades: the ability to download a video in wmv format of a specific match. Imagine how cool would be for a new player to play a match and then, a few minutes later, be able to download it in a format he can upload to Youtube or whatever and show to his friends.

I know it isn't the same to put a 2 minute VF5 fight than a 15 minute duel or 20 minute ctf match, even though they limit it to three fights a week I think, but it could be just a tool implemented into the client that lets you choose a certain demo and converts it into a popular video format, with all the eyecandy and with HUD elements that fit the low quality of popular video upload sites and with the usual 3 second introduction "Quake Zero, get it FREE at www.quakezero.com". Even better, give people some presets like Youtube - big HUD elements, no crosshair, split in 10 minute parts; Stage6 - widescreen, smaller HUD, tiny crosshair; etc...

There is no better promotion for a game than to have Youtube flooded with videos of it.

<< Comment #517 @ 20:43 CST, 13 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #513

Very true, youtube videos are great advertising

<< Comment #606 @ 21:08 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #513

The youtube and stage6 is a really good idea. Very cool, useful, and one of the best ways possible to advertise and make popular the game (youtube is visited by everyone).

<< Comment #519 @ 01:38 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (S01060002724d8bd0.cg.shawcable.net)

Quake 3 is an excellent game. I don't think you need to change it much. Maybe add some new characters and new maps. If your going to make new maps, perhaps you could have more players in each map? 32...ish?
It would be nice if there were some sort of rating system, so that players of similar ranking could play against each other, as everyone hates playing in an arena where one person owns everybody else. Plus you could compare yourself to others, with such a ranking system.

Quake Zero is an excellent idea. Using advertising as a way to pay for or subsidize cost of production could really change things, if it's done correctly!

<< Comment #528 @ 07:21 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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f-shawn - Reply to #519

agreed completely, i think theres a bit too many ideas in this thread that would be better suited for the next quake arena game and not quake zero. quake zero would be a great way to get some more mainstream appeal going for quake without compromising its integrity like we've seen happen before.

vq3 hit the perfect balance of having newbie appeal and still being a fairly 'pro' game imo, it was fun for new people to get into and just jump around shooting but also made an excellent tournament game as is shown by its tourney play going on 8 years now. games like qw and cpma are a bit too hardcore i think to make the base game built off of and will not attract new players which ultimately this whole project is trying to do.

there are things that are absolutely essential for both the new players and hardcore. for the new players this is accessibility: matchmaking, a good pub server mode that they can just jump in and play (clan arena), spiffed up graphics but low system reqs, and standardization. for a new player to check the server browser and see every server running a different map and mod they'd have to get and config elsewhere its a huge turnoff, these things need to be made in such a way that its easy for people to join any server and be aware of the changes from the base gameplay are there, if any.

the things for the hardcore include changes that usually take up to a year to receive in patches and mods: timeouts, readyup etc, good demo support, qztv, good netcode (cpma), custom hud suport and things like that. there was a post above about gtv needing to be easier for new people and i agree completely, you shouldnt have to join and then use console commands to get around while staring at a box map, make it so it has its own gui to view and select games.

new content like some new maps, models, rewards etc would be nice but is not essential and is hardly in the same ballpark as the things needed above. it should be behind all those things in priority because the q3 community over the years has generated tons of new content like maps and models that could be used to add some freshness to the game.

i hope everyone from all the different quake-sub communities can put aside their differences regarding gameplay and help make qz what it was meant to be: a free version of quake 3 that will help get quake some more players and lead us into the new quake arena game which could use those gameplay inputs.

<< Comment #530 @ 09:03 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

1. standard voice team messages

2. mouse gestures for team messages like in ET:QW (hold team message button -> team messages menu appears -> turn mouse in a direction to highlight desired message -> release -> highlighted message is sent).

it's horrible to have a zillion binds in TDM (get quad, quad soon, enemy quad, enemy quad dead etc. etc. etc. etc.).
mouse gestures should be assigned either to voice messages or text only (text which can be customized based on some macros).

3. national flags for players on scoreboard set according to their IP.
it's always nice to see where the players are from and it can fuel quite a competition based on national pride.. (frenchies team up with some belgians to take on some krautz, ww1 all over again).
custom flags not allowed since people would abuse this to hell.. assign flags to Zimbabwe or the People's Republic of Congo

Edited by Aquashark at 09:10 CST, 14 December 2007

<< Comment #531 @ 09:12 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #530

omg, that would ruin faking quite a bit ;/

<< Comment #535 @ 09:58 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #531

awesome.. then how about showing country & city according to IP, like in GGPO? faking would be even harder ;)

<< Comment #543 @ 11:58 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #535

go away :(((

<< Comment #564 @ 06:00 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #535

Come on, don't be mean to him, after all he plays with miel.
:D

<< Comment #706 @ 09:47 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #530

Flags is the most stupid idea. I'm sure arQon doesn't mind me quoting him:

by arQon on Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:51 am
heh. I had the same idea six years ago...

The reason it never went anywhere was basically (a) you need a LOT of flags (IIRC I asked Sujoy if we could swipe ESR's), and (b) god forbid you don't have the flag for Outer Nowheria: suddenly it's all racism accusations etc. Then there's the Stupid Political Shit where including a Tibetan flag gets the game banned in China, and so on.

...besides, nationalism or patriotism or whatever is fucking stupid.

Edited by Pushpabon at 09:52 CST, 18 December 2007

<< Comment #1326 @ 06:07 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #706

this is the most fucking retarded argument ever.
well not really.. it would've been even worse if arQon feared his CPMA flags would start World War III.

Tibet flags? who the fuck plays CPMA in Tibet?
who the fuck cares if some nerd on the internet from Outer Nowheria gets his nationalistic feelings hurt (if someone would be that stupid to have some pretense on that)?

China banning CPMA? lolol.. yeah, what a national security issue that is.. i'm sure they have a special ministry departament assigned to such important manners.

countries that don't have a clear international recognition status should be assigned flags with their regions.

also you don't need all the flags, just the flags of countries with at least one listed server, so we don't have to bother with all the countries and islands and islets on this fucking planet.

you're also a moron for quoting arQon and agreeing with his self-important nonsense.

Edited by Aquashark at 06:09 CST, 8 January 2008

<< Comment #1327 @ 06:18 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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svr - Reply to #1326

ip based flags sux

setting own flag is ok (optionally)

<< Comment #1328 @ 06:23 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1326

also how is not having a flag in a computer game racist?
what is that having to do with race?

does ESR have all the flags? no..
omg then they should ban all flags, because Tibet doesn't have one and it's "racist"

Edited by Aquashark at 06:29 CST, 8 January 2008

<< Comment #532 @ 09:29 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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Esque

No respawn delay.
New maps. Fuck remakes hard.

<< Comment #607 @ 21:16 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #532

Your are missing QZ's concept. THIS IS A REMAKE. Stop the gimmicky shit away from there.

<< Comment #616 @ 03:14 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #607

can you stfu you ignorant prick?
you stated your opinion more than enough and still nobody cares.
all your ideas on this thread really give you out as a stupid fanboy that doesn't know any better.

go play quake3 and fuck off.

if you think new maps are gimmicks you are truly retarded.
i'm putting you on ignore from now on, don't bother to reply.

Edited by Aquashark at 03:17 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #629 @ 07:54 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #616

You are a retarded aborted fetus who can't read.

<< Comment #671 @ 11:39 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #629

no u.

<< Comment #635 @ 11:05 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Esque - Reply to #607

Yeah because the one thing that will make QZ extra fresh will be another eight years playing pdm6 ffa/1v1/2v2/4v4/CA. Please give me more.

Also, maps are 'gimmicks'? now? fucking hell...

The thread was what people would like to see in QZ, I would like to see the same gameplay (with some ickle ickle tweaks) and some new fucking maps to play it on. Jesus. I don't give a shit if it's supposed to be a remake. Just playing the same maps on and on and on and on and on is retarded.

<< Comment #534 @ 09:54 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme

As long as it's moddable, standard vanilla q3 gameplay should be the way to go plus your stuff you want to test for the next Quake Arena.
I can't believe how many people are like "omfg crouchslide" here. It's q3, ffs.

<< Comment #536 @ 10:20 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #534

agreed, stupid q4 fanboys

<< Comment #537 @ 11:10 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #534

q0 use q3engine, this doesn't mean it will be q3 arena free edition
what would be the point creating the same game twice ? ...

in other words : no, it's not q3

Edited by wata at 11:13 CST, 14 December 2007

<< Comment #538 @ 11:17 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #537

It has been officially said that its a free updated version of Quake 3. The changes are quite dramatic, when it comes to fixes, updates, features and community -- but by in large part it IS Quake 3 gameplay.

<< Comment #540 @ 11:28 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #538

oh ok
I wonder what's the meaning of this thread so ; at last the gameplay thoughts

I really hope you'll add something to turn while strafjumping though
and ramp jumping
make it cpma I guess

<< Comment #541 @ 11:44 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #540

i doubt anything that drastic will be done with the movement, i just hope they update the stair jumps to feel more solid

<< Comment #544 @ 12:11 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #541

suddenly I'm not waiting this game that much

<< Comment #545 @ 13:06 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #544

and i cant wait any longer ;D

<< Comment #556 @ 03:14 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #545

agreed :D

<< Comment #608 @ 21:18 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #544

You just got owned.

<< Comment #864 @ 18:14 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #544

yeah...

<< Comment #542 @ 11:53 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #538

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<< Comment #546 @ 13:49 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #538

Could you tell us what changes have you guys implemented and the ones that you are 100% sure that are going to be implemented? So that people can stop asking for x or y stuff and concentrate on what they consider that�s missing for the final product to be perfect :)

Edited by zmongo at 13:52 CST, 14 December 2007

<< Comment #547 @ 16:26 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme - Reply to #546

read #52

<< Comment #586 @ 08:21 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #547

shhh , its a trap. It might be that he actually falls on it, and reveals what they are doing : )
I get their stance, but a little cooperation imo would only help. I prefer to sacrifice the surprise element in order to get sure the final product will meet my standarts. I am by no means an expert at producing games, but i still think if they reveal what they are doing i could give some good feedback

<< Comment #549 @ 16:56 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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HamidoOs - Reply to #538

Then I wonder what Q5 will be like. hmmm... QW?

<< Comment #618 @ 03:24 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #538

Quake3 gameplay is really bland.

i understand you don't want to mess with the formula too much, but some little things would spice it up without alienating Q3 fans while making it fun for other people too.

all i'm requesting for is:
- Quake2 double-jumps
- Quake2 ramp jumps (not as high like in Q4)
- railgun damage decreased to around 80

these two movement techniques i'm proposing aren't at all difficult, yet they provide a lot of gameplay variety when coupled with competent map design.

Edited by Aquashark at 03:25 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #640 @ 14:00 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #618

I would like to see that too, but I highly doubt they are going to change anything in the actual gameplay, like movement. However lowering rg damage seems pretty likely as many people are calling for that.

<< Comment #662 @ 05:55 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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Liam - Reply to #618

I think what they should do is just have 2 separate gameplays. VQ3 style for the "AHHH! CHANGE!!! IT BURNS!!!" crowd and something like CPM for the rest of us. Where new ideas can be tested. Except please give it a good name. I really like CPM and all but "challenge promode"? Come the fuck on... Something like "standard" for VQ3 and "enhanced" for CPM. Or maybe names that don't explicitly imply which is better/worse to avoid people whining.

<< Comment #663 @ 05:56 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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Liam - Reply to #662

Is explicitly imply an oxymoron? Fuck it, you know what I meant.

<< Comment #707 @ 09:57 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #663

smart brit is an oxymoron lol

<< Comment #539 @ 11:19 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #537

Assuming what has been officially said: yes, it's Q3.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=80815

The point might be winning money, initiating that second development team, research and try things for the next Quake Arena game, create a huge fanbase for Quake in anticipation of future titles, etc

Edit: beaten grrr.

Edited by tzz at 11:20 CST, 14 December 2007

<< Comment #551 @ 20:09 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #534

"As long as it's moddable"
problem being : "sadly, almost nobody play mods which don't use vanilla gameplay because players don't want to take time to adapt, even to something better"
so I'll not count on mods to improve q3 vanilla limited gameplay
straf jumping only in (almost totally) straight lines is retarded. someone tell me what's so fantastic about it (but I guess : "players don't want to take time to adapt, even to something better" ... )

Edited by wata at 05:59 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #557 @ 03:26 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #551

go play your favorite game then, this is quake3

<< Comment #562 @ 05:43 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #557

why thank you troll.

<< Comment #568 @ 06:34 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #562

likewise

<< Comment #570 @ 06:39 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #568

tell me what's so fantastic about straf jumping only in (almost totally) straight lines

<< Comment #572 @ 06:40 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #570

it gets the job done for a nice and fast (imoimoimoimoimo) game

<< Comment #574 @ 06:49 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #572

...
I'll turn it the other way : tell me why shouldn't we be able to turn efficiently while strafe jumping
vq3 certainly not get the job done when it comes to turning ability

<< Comment #588 @ 08:40 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #574

i think the current movement in vq3 is a good mix of superdelic flyboy extreme physics and a crappy cs way of running.

ill boil it down for you; because i like it the way it is.

<< Comment #590 @ 09:02 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #588

ok,
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
np with it, but that's not really of any interest, no offense

I mean we could put down the pro's and the con's of having or not a better turning ability than in vq3 (which is pretty poor, right ?)
I'll start :
-turning is great, it allows you to change direction. as simple as that. (I mean the turning kind "without losing speed, not using a wall -bumping into, aka "I'm totally dependant of map's architecture"-, and having a large turning angle")

so, your turn : any argument against having a better turning ability in q0 than in vq3 ?

Edited by wata at 10:01 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #1292 @ 15:13 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #590

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"
the dude abides.

<< Comment #576 @ 07:10 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #570

guess you've never watched a defrag movie

<< Comment #578 @ 07:12 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #576

your point being ?

Edited by wata at 07:12 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #579 @ 07:35 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #578

strafe jumping is a hell of a skill to master. Watch some w3sp demo's, one of the best strafers there is.

<< Comment #580 @ 07:51 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #579

your point being ?

<< Comment #581 @ 07:55 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #580

strafe jumping is certainly not retarded but you on the other hand are.

<< Comment #582 @ 07:58 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #581

your point being "I've none"
plus raging@trolling
have an internet

notice I'm not talking about strafjumping, which is great btw, but the ability to turn while strafjumping -which is weak in vq3. so have you something relevant to say or are you just another esr troll ?

Edited by wata at 08:02 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #709 @ 10:50 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme - Reply to #582

*facepalm*

<< Comment #710 @ 11:11 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #582

Just leave man.

<< Comment #613 @ 22:57 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #579

Hacks aren't allowed in competitive gaming though.

<< Comment #548 @ 16:52 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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HamidoOs

LOW viewheight! omg plz, we don't want another Q4 with maps that feels small.

<< Comment #990 @ 07:48 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #548

and looking straight into someones lg as he shoots at you:<

but yeah I like the idea.

<< Comment #550 @ 17:28 CST, 14 December 2007 >>

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stuntz

just wanted some nice options to see demos some recams and if possible be able to wander in the game while demo is going and re-record it again only with that part that i wanted andif possible cut paste demos as video clips ( dunno if its possible)
being able to pause demos ( it as been said) its great.

a sound system equal to q3 but please dont do it like q4 because it sucks :P

and.. CUSTOM CUSTOM CUSTOM CUSTOM quake style :p btw have some graphic style options from the start with legoland pretty middle colored lines only etc like google sketchup :D

<< Comment #554 @ 00:08 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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xero- '

Why do people think quake will go 'mainstream' ? It never has in the same sense as halo or half life and most likely never will. Why don't we just cater q0 for quake players as opposed to the hordes of newbs that will rush on to servers (hypothetically).

Edited by xerosawyer at 00:10 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #558 @ 03:34 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #554

i dont think that, but i hope it will spark some interest in the sleeping giants that threw away q3 some years ago :)

<< Comment #559 @ 05:19 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #554

Though it was before my time as a quake player, I always thought Q3 was at its release quite "mainstream".

<< Comment #563 @ 05:46 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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retire

Short tutorials for each game mode (timing items in TDM, positioning in CTF etc), movement and weapons. 1 sec delay on railgun firing like Q2.. In-between q3 and q4 speed (movement, rockets), rockets should be same size as q3, not nukes like in Q4, shaft should be like the q4 shaft imo.. Oh, and let me change m_pitch and fov pls :D

Edited by diabz at 06:01 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #573 @ 06:43 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #563

get it in your head already, they are asking for features and not for gameplay changes.

(this is not only for you but for everyone)

<< Comment #730 @ 09:26 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #573

looks like DM is dead anyway, last thing they want is to revive it by getting gameplay ideas from real gamers huh :/

<< Comment #565 @ 06:13 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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wch

Suggestion: Can the config file that ships with the game be broken up in to sectons: e.g - Controls / Sound / Video etc

That would be nice, thanks! :>

<< Comment #566 @ 06:20 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #565

yeah like in EZQuake, configs with structured sections:

// A L I A S E S :

// K E Y B I N D I N G S :

// V A R I A B L E S:

//MultiView Demos

//HUD Settings

//Player Settings

//Skin Settings

//Console Settings

//Chat Settings

//FPS and EyeCandy Settings

//Particle Effects

//Lighting

//Turbulency and Sky Settings

//Weapon View Model Settings

//Texture Settings

//Config Management

//OpenGL Rendering

//Video Settings

//Sound Settings

//Input - Keyboard

//Input - Mouse

//Input - Misc

//Network Settings

//Server Browser

//Status Bar and Scoreboard

//Crosshair Settings

//Screen Settings

//Screen & Powerup Blends

//View Settings

//Match Tools

//Demo Handling

//Screenshot Settings

//Server Settings

//Unsorted Variables

//User Created Variables

Edited by Aquashark at 06:27 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #587 @ 08:23 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #565

That would be nice indeed

<< Comment #567 @ 06:33 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq

-Tweaking the weapon balance. Such as lowering the RG damage! Perhaps even the LG to a degree. Also fixed SG spread pattern.
- New maps! If possible get with some of the mappers in the community that have proven themselves to make fantastic maps for these quake'n games. I'm sure many of them would love to be a part of this project.
-In depth setup menu. It should be easy for even a first time player to set up their config to exactly how they like it. HUD changes, crosshair/color/size changes, perhaps even set it up so that you can set up your binds to have multiple effects with in the menu. Ie crosshair/sensitivity changes per weapon binds.
Perhaps even include multiple config/accounts. Load up a friends config and tweak it, re-load up your regular config and if you were to go back to your friends config the tweaks would still be their as they were loaded into that specific config file. This way you can have multiple configs on one PC/game and be able to change each one up with out having to go into the folders and pull out a microsoft word file with a bunch of commands. All in all, not that imporant.. just an after thought.
-everything yrim said, espeically about creating QuakeZero's one main community.

<< Comment #569 @ 06:36 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #567

oh and at least SOME kind of news/feedback regarding quakezero's development. Even if it is nothing more then dumb irrelevant blog crap. Just to have something talk about and build up more hype. :)

<< Comment #575 @ 07:00 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #567

They could tie configs to accounts. That way you can log in into another PC and have (almost) everything as if you executed your config.

You could even go to the webpage, click on someone's profile and try his config.

Another idea: statistics like in TF2, leaving the negative stats out.

<< Comment #589 @ 08:45 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #575

in reality I guess you would be playing from same pc most often, but would be a nice function indeed

<< Comment #611 @ 22:31 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #589

Don't be so sure about that. The niciest thing about QZ will be that any PC with internet can go to the webbrowser and start playing. So, imagine going to uni and start playing with your config in no time (well, the first time will take a bit since you have to download the game), or going to any netcafe in the world, you can play it aswell, etc.

<< Comment #620 @ 03:57 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #611

well ye, but you still have to download the game at uni and such, but ye nice lil feature :)

<< Comment #583 @ 07:59 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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dadS

someone has already said it but I have got to say it again: no punkbuster please.

<< Comment #591 @ 12:39 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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Zanno

Gear the game towards TDM, 1v1, and Clan Arena. Play down FFA as much as possible, it's a dying gametype. Most popular games these days are team games.

I would say in order to make TDM in Q0 stand up to competition today then i would say that the spawning weapon in TDM needs some serious reevaluation. MG is okay for 1v1/ffa i guess, but TDM needs something weaker. if you want quake to become popular you need to fix the issues with TDM becoming all cess and rush quad.

I'd say make Clan Arena the default server gametype in the cfg, not FFA. FFA in Q3/4 is not fun and there are always going to be more of the default setup for pubbie servers, which are really important here.

<< Comment #595 @ 14:50 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #591

those changes wont affect player numbers in the slightest.
next.

<< Comment #605 @ 19:59 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #595

why not

1) q3 tdm blows and has blown since day 1, i'd rather play q1/q2 tdm or q3 clan arena
2) this game needs to bring quake to the new audience mass audience of gamers if the series wants any hope of a future and noobs these days play console fps games that play best in 4v4, so give them a good 4v4 game

to the below poster:

yes CA is definitely in its own world but that world is one of aim aim aim. you cannot possibly begin to grasp the intricacies of fast dm gameplay if you cannot aim for shit. CA is the most forgiving gametype and that why I suggest it be the default because all it will affect is pubs that we dedicated quakers will never join anyway. i have attempted to introduce quake to a lot of people but all they see in the ffa gameplay is "run forward and shoot until you die" because their aim is so horrible they can't even begin to understand the game on any other level. the only way i managed to get them to remotely enjoy the game is to play it in RA/CA mode and even that was pretty discouraging

Edited by Zanno at 20:02 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #597 @ 15:04 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #591

Dude, CA just gives people nasty habits whereas FFA gears them towards ctf, duel and tdm

CA is in a universe to itself whereas the discredited FFA instills dm sensitivities to new players, i.e to the skillset needed.

<< Comment #621 @ 04:07 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #591

agreed. even though its the game type i prolly hate the most, it still got the most activity cos its so easy to start playing

<< Comment #643 @ 15:38 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #591

What no CTF love?

<< Comment #652 @ 21:04 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #643

oh i love ctf but it's a terrible pub game

like i keep saying this game needs to bring quake to a new audience otherwise id is going to be in some serious trouble. ctf is great and all but it shouldn't be the focal point of Q0

<< Comment #660 @ 05:34 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #652

I always thought it to be a rather good pub game. It, more then any other mode in quake is similar to many of the other team based shooters that are popular these days. You start off at your base with your team around you, weapons are usually not hard to get and the objective is simple. If you die no biggie since frag count isn't the concern.
Movement wise quake3 isn't so hardcore that it would completely cripple a game for those who cant strafe jump very well or at all. But then again the last handful of CTF games I've played were in CPMA and warsow so perhaps my perception is skewed.(and for what it's worth I'm not really a fan of ctf in either of those game modes, esp wsw)
If it is team organization then or to be specific the lack of it and the effects on the gameplay for random pub games.. Well I don't see why it would be that much more of a concern then say TDM...
Which actually gives me an idea. Built in audible messages to bind. I believe a few games have this now. Perhaps have it setup in the menu so that the ctf msg binds only work in ctf gamemode, same thing for tdm ect ect.

Anyhoo enough rambling, just my opinion. :)

Edited by c0ld at 02:47 CST, 19 December 2007

<< Comment #592 @ 13:00 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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kAi^

hehe pretty easy job for guys at ID just copy and paste job really q3 is almost perfect.

<< Comment #593 @ 13:36 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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noctis

A tdm/ctf gather (kinda like a irc pickup) for equally skilled ppl on the quake zero page where ppl can add themself and the system finds one that matches their skill/ping or opens a new one (or smth like that). But i hope that one is already in work/finished ;p

Edited by noctis at 14:11 CST, 15 December 2007

<< Comment #594 @ 14:07 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

in-game lobbies for pickups?
with something like a pickup bot on every lobby..

<< Comment #596 @ 14:50 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #594

and a drinks machine that doesn't eat your change

<< Comment #600 @ 17:00 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #594

nice

<< Comment #598 @ 15:57 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

By

mefajpE^

600! ;]

<< Comment #599 @ 16:37 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

By

Linchpin

meh

<< Comment #602 @ 17:21 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

By

mesh@truecarnage.com

One of the games you should look at for ideas is Supreme Commander. They managed to implement a number of the things you have talked about already. They have a web interface with a chat looby with the ability to create channels. They have a ranking system, built in ladder system and match making. All in all it seems to work well.

One of the things I like the most though is the replay vault system. The replays upload to a central server library that allows anyone with the game to view them. You have the option of retaining copies on your system or you can just view them from the online repository whenever you like.

If you took that concept and combined it with a system of player stats with global ranking and stats ala ETQW crossed with MaxStats/VSPstats with stats for the player that are local and serverside along with some level of global stats system...... \0/ ftw. Also, the stats would need to be available to render from replays/demos.

<< Comment #604 @ 19:53 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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Mitritch

Unlagged netcode!!!

For example, it is very big fun to play Warsow even at 100+ pings. You can actually hit with EB and LG.without being super-duper quaker with 5+ years of experience :)

<< Comment #609 @ 21:19 CST, 15 December 2007 >>

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mbc

i wuv this thread

<< Comment #614 @ 00:32 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #609

What a quinkydink, I do too!

<< Comment #624 @ 04:25 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #614

btw, if the rocket arena guys complain about you implementing clan arena in base like i heard they did when Q4 was in development kindly ignore them, crt didn't even actually work on RA4, he should have no say in the matter anymore.

this could all be misinformation, but it doesn't change the fact that CA built into the game is necessary for the game to take off with a new playerbase

<< Comment #617 @ 03:17 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (t101.ip5.netikka.fi)

asdf

<< Comment #619 @ 03:37 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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exp!

1 more thing:
please DO NOT ever think to put demos/screenshot/configs in "C:\Documents and Settings\User\My Documents\id Software\Quake 0\base" like you did in ETQW. It's absolutely an awful solution for single user systems (space used on primary disk, impossible to find configs, files lost on pc upgrading, and so on..).
All stuff must be under Quake0 directory.

<< Comment #625 @ 04:49 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #619

AGREED.

good call.

<< Comment #695 @ 06:01 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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g0th - Reply to #619

yeah very good call

<< Comment #735 @ 12:26 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #619

good point indeed

<< Comment #738 @ 12:38 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #619

I'm not going against what you are saying, but I would suggest any user that has low disk space on their boot drive to relocate their My Documents folder to a separate local disc. I haven't had my 'My Documents' on C in years.

<< Comment #745 @ 14:01 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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exp! - Reply to #738

you're right, but why do we have to find workarounds when we already have the solution?

<< Comment #755 @ 09:16 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #745

Currently the QZ stuff does not save into your 'My Documents', but I also should say that this project is different from how other games work, and I could see the need for a save location outside of the game directory. That doesn't have to imply 'My Documents', and I personally haven't liked that trend that many games have been perusing lately storing files there. However, it is an easy place to put things for computer users who know little about their computer system.

I would personally go for you getting to select the save location, but it should have a default value -- and in most cases 'My Documents' would be just as good as any other default, cause the default would most likely have to be your boot drive.

<< Comment #626 @ 06:55 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Tree_

If QuakeZero is being built towards trying to attract players back to the game, wouldent it be wise to just have a system like the one already in place with CPMA to play either VQ3 or CPM gameplay. Clearly some players prefer one or the other and in the end it seems as if one of these will be chosen for the final product. So why not just have both and see which one the newer players prefer? In the end the community will be able to play whichever Quake3 they like more in any case.

(LULZ CPM ALL THE WAY!)

Edited by Tree_ at 06:57 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #631 @ 08:03 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #626

Well, the thing is CPM is way to minoritary to be included. That would be splitting the community, since they are way too different gameplays. A risk to please a few people is just not stupid. CPM players will have an official standalone CPMA now that its confirmed.

The idea of QZ is making it big, to be played by everyone, so when you think of QZ you think of "QZ" and nothing else (you don't have in consideration if its "QZ VQ3" or "QZ CPM" like is happening now with CPMA.

Edited by nemecel at 08:06 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #654 @ 21:36 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #631

How can CPM both be 'way too minority' and split the community?

<< Comment #656 @ 21:43 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #654

That doesn't matter. What matters is releasing QZ as QZ, with a defined kind of physics that everyone can relate to so you don't have to specify anymore what type of gameplay you play with stupid terms that would do anything but confuse newbies. Differentiating modes is easy, but if you start messing with physics QZ's purpose of unificating everything on the same place only divided by modes (duel, tdm, ctf, ffa, ca, etc) and not different mods or physics will just fail.

<< Comment #672 @ 11:47 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #656

choice is a good thing fascist.

<< Comment #675 @ 12:45 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #672

Is not a good thing on this case, where a standard is needed to be stablished.

<< Comment #678 @ 12:52 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #675

why set the bar so low then?

Edited by xerosawyer at 12:52 CST, 17 December 2007

<< Comment #627 @ 07:32 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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AlexMax

What I want to see in Quake Zero

0.A COMMUNITY WEBSITE WITH DEVELOPERS THAT POST SEMI-FREQUENTLY. Seriously, this has made an immesurable impact on the Enemy Territory: Quake Wars scene, and I'd love to have a similar community forum for Quake Zero.
1. Voting
2. Warmup/Match system
3. Warsow-style Model/skin forcing and brightskins. (Lessons to take away: How easy it is to enable, how easy it is to swtich between per-team forcing and team/enemy forcing)
4. Gameplay balanced around duel, TDM (2on2/4on4), CTF and Clan Arena. FFA should be included, but not focused on
5. Classic maps (Edge, Campgrounds, Longest Yard, Dueling Keeps, Vertical Vengeance)
6. New maps that aren't throwaway messes like most of Q3/Q4's stock maps. Take a good look at some of the best that Quake 3 maps have to offer (CPM mapset for dueling/TDM, Threewave for CTF).
7. Speaking of which, since threewave and id are so buddy buddy, would it be out of the question to ask them if you can use some of the awesome Threewave CTF maps? Courtyard Conundrum, Industrial Revolution, Camper Crossings, Spider Crossings, ShiNNing Forces, Gospel Crossings, and a couple of others that I'm forgetting the names of (that one garden map, that one other void map that was featured at the begining of Tricking iT 2), there's sooooo much CTF goodness in Quake 3.
8. A clean and functional user interface. Preferedly without all of the round edges of Q3's, and defeniatly without all the excessive animation of Q4's.

What would be nice to see in Quake Zero

1. UT99-style domination (it could take FFA's place as a nice pubbie friendly mode)
2. QTV (not vital for release, but would be nice for the first major post-release patch)

Edited by AlexMax at 07:46 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #655 @ 21:39 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #627

"2. QTV (not vital for release, but would be nice for the first major post-release patch)"

This is vital. Release is exactly when you want as many people as possible to see good games, QTV is a very good way of making that happen.

<< Comment #674 @ 12:06 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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AlexMax - Reply to #655

QTV only works when server admins decide to set up QTV relays. In 99% of the games that I've seen it avalible, the only time it ever gets used is if there's some tournament going on. Two exceptions I've seen in SourceTV and EZTV (for quakeworld), In both cases, a handful of servers seem to have them and I've never seen anybody else on the stream.

And trust me, Quake Zero is probably not going to be tournament worthy out the gate (has any game ever had a serious tournament in its first released version that wasn't marred by awkward bugs or stopgap rules to prevent exploits?), it's gonna take a patch or two to fix any exploits or fill an inevitably missing feature, which would give QTV plenty of time to be patched in with it.

<< Comment #693 @ 04:14 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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impulseBE - Reply to #674

trust me: trust ix-ir

<< Comment #910 @ 04:03 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #627

Is UT99's domination close to what Team Fortress 2 have? If so, count me in :)

<< Comment #914 @ 05:08 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #910

It's not the same because it's not linear. If I remember correctly, you have some CPs and you get points every �5? seconds for every CP you control, but you can control points 1 and 5 or you can control none of them.

TF2's domination would be a nice addition though.

<< Comment #628 @ 07:41 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (79-77-121-70.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)

I think a slide feature like the one in Quake 4 would be nice.

<< Comment #630 @ 07:57 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #628

Are you fucking seriously?

<< Comment #645 @ 17:01 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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ALonDonThinG - Reply to #630

and why FUCKING shouldnt he be

<< Comment #648 @ 19:04 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #645

because it isn't going to happen.

<< Comment #680 @ 13:30 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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ALonDonThinG - Reply to #648

We know that,he obviously dosnt.
Is he allowed his opinion and should he expect such a reply from mr nemecel.
If he spoke to me like that in real life he would be requiring a lot of dental work.
Manners cost nothing.

rant over =]

<< Comment #632 @ 08:05 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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frame

id like to see no advertising

<< Comment #633 @ 08:11 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #632

picmip 5 ggkthxbye
;)

<< Comment #636 @ 11:27 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #633

picmip 10 all the way, since pb won't thankfully be around I don't see any reason to use higher values.

<< Comment #721 @ 04:09 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #636

i dont see any need either

<< Comment #751 @ 04:02 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #636

Picmip all you want, it won't matter if they add a nomip/nopicmip shaderparm in the ad shaders.

Edited by hemosaek at 04:18 CST, 20 December 2007

<< Comment #752 @ 04:22 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #751

edit your post to smth that wont make ppl worry pls =p

<< Comment #754 @ 09:04 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #751

I wasn't thinking of getting rid of the ads, more like in the sense that picmip 5 looks really muddy and thinking of it as the tweaked gfx default is just residue from pb.

<< Comment #737 @ 12:30 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #632

id like to have a free game .. lol :D

<< Comment #928 @ 08:35 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #632

a free game with no advertising? Why would they bother? That's like literally asking them to work for free.

<< Comment #634 @ 09:41 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (host86-136-198-239.range86-136.btcentralplus.com)

- r_greyscale "1/0"
Makes walls/floors grey scale but keeps detail, gives good contrast to players/items etc (for ctf maps have coloured stripes that are unaffected)

- Q3 mouse accel

- Take a long look at things games like cod4 are doing with awards and ranks (New player/gun models for higher ranks instead of weapons though). For some reason gamers are in love with getting new things and will play constantly untill they get them, by the time they do they're addicted.

<< Comment #639 @ 13:20 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #634

r_greyscale "1/0"

good idea :)

<< Comment #637 @ 11:33 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

How about a way to load our current Q3 CPMA cfgs directly to QZ? (at least the cvars that are the same on both games, which should be everything but new ones if added). That would save us a lot of time in re-configuring everything again. Also, the hability to export the cfg from QZ to a cfg file editable via a text editor is a MUST. There are things like binding a key to a certain type of crosshair, fov, sens, accel, for a different weapon that aren't possible in the menu, so, this must be implemented also on the configuration menu so newbies can tweak such stuff too without being cfg gurus.

Edited by nemecel at 11:37 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #638 @ 12:37 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #637

For once you make sense ;)

<< Comment #641 @ 14:25 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Motion blur should be added (obviously you can turn it off, no way im playing a quake game with motion blur on). It emphasizes a lot on the action and movement. Is just a pure graphical thing I know, but for your average newbie and casual spectators, its a plus. Look at gow for example, or any next gen FPS, every game has that and its stupid to say the effect doesn't look awesome. Imagine keel flying back after being hit by a rocket's knockback with motion blur, and now imagine the same thing without it (as we see it now in Q3). You don't care about that since we aren't graphic whores when playing Quake, but again, for the average joe thats the coolest shit ever.

Appart from that, anisotropic filtering and antialiasing options in the settings menu as I want to be able to play 800x600 without jaggies without going to annoying external GPU driver options. (already done in ChallengeQ3.exe)

<< Comment #714 @ 00:11 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (68-191-209-201.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) - Reply to #641

I could be wrong, but I do not think OpenGL can do motion blur yet.

<< Comment #718 @ 02:30 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #714

...

<< Comment #722 @ 04:31 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #714

DX fanboy?

<< Comment #723 @ 05:02 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #714

didnt open arena add motion blur? or was that bloom?

Edited by noctis at 05:03 CST, 19 December 2007

<< Comment #728 @ 07:08 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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ALonDonThinG - Reply to #714

Just play on an LCD if its blurr you want.

<< Comment #642 @ 14:30 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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mbc

is this going to have ninja stars?

<< Comment #703 @ 08:46 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #642

They said it would

<< Comment #644 @ 15:55 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

Help button on the main menu, if pressed it takes you to a chat(or irc) channel where everyone can idle, and everyone can help people.

edit:

Also, perhaps a trickjump map like b0_beta6 in cpma, with courses that are all of a differently difficulty, so people can learn about/practive movement:)

edit2:

Include some tools like gammafix, so when the game crashes you wont get stuck with fucked up gamma:P
Perhaps even a usb rate changer, just include usefull tools like they did with the ezquakeclient(make it an option upon installation?)

Edited by Terifire at 16:00 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #649 @ 19:08 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #644

The usb tool would be good

<< Comment #646 @ 17:02 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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wata

make a Kill Cam � la COD4 for CA
it's a replay which shows you how you died, from your killer's pov
that's a really nice feature

Edited by wata at 17:30 CST, 16 December 2007

<< Comment #658 @ 22:00 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #646

agreed, but i dont think it would work in quake.. unless its clan arena

<< Comment #659 @ 02:47 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #658

sure, as you need to not insta respawn to have some time to see the replay, so it only works in clan arena/rocket arena ; but it would be really cool to see it in there

<< Comment #647 @ 18:15 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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User1067

You could always throw in few of those huge maps from Team Arena and game mode to go with them and see if they could become popular among new players, especially at public servers.

<< Comment #650 @ 19:23 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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[mash]

ME WANT COOKIES!

<< Comment #651 @ 19:47 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

I want back that giant team arena map with the castles.

<< Comment #657 @ 21:47 CST, 16 December 2007 >>

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ix

The most important change to make from Q3 is to replace the MG with a weak SG-like weapon. The MG is constant fire hitscan so basically impossible to dodge, it has near-infinite range (the spread is trivial on most levels) making it the 2nd best weapon at long range (this is ridiculous, ranged power is one of the strongest abilities a weapon can have, the spawn gun shouldn't have it). The MG has single handedly ruined TDM and CTF once people learned to aim (once up on a time Q3 TDM was awesome, now it's pure cess because mice and aim improved).

Weak only in comparison to the real SG, a spawn weapon shouldn't be useless like the Q2 blaster, just sufficiently weaker than a normal weapon.

<< Comment #682 @ 15:26 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #657

Q4's machine gun isn't that bad, its really accurate to a certain range.. but its shot pattern at long distances reduces its capabilities drastically.

<< Comment #686 @ 17:24 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #657

just slow the rof...

<< Comment #689 @ 23:04 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (c-76-118-91-81.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) - Reply to #686

but that wouldn't make it like qw!

<< Comment #661 @ 05:41 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq

server side demo recording. So incase you see or play in a really good match you and everyone else can get inline to download it off the server.
Oh and multi-view demo, perhaps even with picture in picture feature. CPMa team did a great job with this. :)

<< Comment #664 @ 06:02 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

#666

hail carmack!

Edited by Aquashark at 06:02 CST, 17 December 2007

<< Comment #1029 @ 22:43 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #664

i though 666 was to be hail satan :(... i guess ive been wrong my whole life :(

<< Comment #667 @ 07:25 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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shoxxr

QTV - Some way for gaming organizations such as Clanbase to advertise tourney games to everyone logged into QZ browser, like Eurocup Quarter finals tonight at 20.00 gmt on ip ... This would allow new players who don't know the competitive scene to see the top players in action.

<< Comment #668 @ 08:38 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Ah screenshot (better, video) of QZ as a xmas gift. (Syncerror?)

<< Comment #669 @ 11:04 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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mbc

unsure if this has been mentioned, but a Steam release would get so many more players, even if it is Steam :O

<< Comment #670 @ 11:38 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #669

lol? the game is free and has its own website ... ;)

<< Comment #673 @ 12:02 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #670

being available ALSO on Steam is really something to be taken seriously!

Edited by Aquashark at 12:03 CST, 17 December 2007

<< Comment #676 @ 12:47 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #673

yep, you would get loads of gamers at least giving it a bash.

<< Comment #677 @ 12:48 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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spam2009

Since that idiots from RAVEN copy all Q3 MP code to Q4 and they do "r_displayrefresh = cheat" stiupidy and ofcors many many more i want tell another things:

(pls don't pos: not have xxx prom posts above-only type greatest errors in quake/other games)

What things Quake Zero SHOULD NOT HAVE COS IT WILL INSTANTLY FAILL !

- STIUPID "missing" pk4 SHIT !
- 9999 of diffrent modes (likie FTUSA/FTEU) - newbies will can't find two THE SAME SETTINGS Servers

<< Comment #679 @ 13:30 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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-]ooo[- - Reply to #677

"Since that idiots from RAVEN copy all Q3 MP code to Q4"

http://www.geocities.com/lainus22/oc/wtf.jpg

<< Comment #683 @ 15:39 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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spam2009 - Reply to #679

Did you read ArQoN interview ? NO ?

If i will meet in real live that stiupid company ... bad things will be happened ...

<< Comment #681 @ 15:23 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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dradik

You know one thing I don't think has been included. Alot of people said they would like the Q4 movement perks..

I also think Quake Zero should have some of the other nice features like.. shooting through teleports.. and sending nades off of jump pads. It adds strategies in duels.. because its great for faking people out with sound.

<< Comment #684 @ 16:39 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #681

17 people. Gimmicks. Also this is a Q3 remake, stop it.

<< Comment #685 @ 17:03 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #684

i wouldnt even call it a remake cause they didnt remake it, they just took what was there and added to it ;)

<< Comment #687 @ 17:40 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #684

shutup already.. read what this thread is about.. it doesn't say "what do you think will be added to quakezero" it's "What do you people wish to see in the upcoming Quake Zero?"

if you don't want to read what people would like to see in Quake Zero, and then bash anyone who has a different opinion then you.. WHY are you still reading this thread. go away

Edited by naymlis at 17:41 CST, 17 December 2007

<< Comment #688 @ 17:49 CST, 17 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #687

Has been already said no: gameplay changes. We don't want what can become something big to fail thanks to some gimmickly "forced to innovate ideas" and crouch slide requested by 17 people (apparently less).

<< Comment #691 @ 02:52 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #688

it will fail only for morons like you and it's a fair trade.

<< Comment #699 @ 06:41 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #691

reply

<< Comment #865 @ 18:17 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #688

looks like there are more than 17 of us.

<< Comment #1030 @ 22:45 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #684

yes. its a remake, not a fucking clone ? can u tell the difference between those 2 ?

<< Comment #1065 @ 12:39 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1030

Not going to waste my time with a Q4 fanboy. Go ahead and cry for crouchsliding, it wouldn't be on QZ.

<< Comment #1067 @ 13:07 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1065

im not q4 fanboy. youre just idiot. u already have vq3 why u want it again to be released ?

<< Comment #1074 @ 15:22 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1067

The only retard here is you. I (and lots) want it again to be released under this particular circumstance where it can become big. VQ3 It is STILL NEW to the mainstream, and stupid gimmicks to ruin the gameplay will not be included in QZ, because I understand the concept behind QZ, you don't. Im not bothering to answer any of your replies again, even if you try to counterargument this with biased facts to try to sound intelligent, have fun.

Edited by nemecel at 16:43 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1076 @ 15:31 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1074

wow. you really are ignorant and arrogant fool.

Edited by danskie at 15:33 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #690 @ 00:15 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

By

bring back the blaster!

<< Comment #692 @ 03:13 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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wch - Reply to #690

The blaster from Q2 is the worst start weapon from ANY quake. Bring back the boomstick from quakeworld! :>

<< Comment #696 @ 06:04 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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g0th - Reply to #692

I want the chainsaw!

<< Comment #701 @ 07:00 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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OrangeChef - Reply to #692

If we tweek it tho.

30-40 damage from a medium rate of fire, projectile weapon that has no splash?

<< Comment #708 @ 10:14 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #701

Man it sucked. Looks too weak.

<< Comment #717 @ 02:04 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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OrangeChef - Reply to #708

I think replacing the MG with a blaster like weapon would be good.
It would add more dynamic to the Quake3 style gameplay without breaking what "works" by your standards.

We already have a machinegun/chaingun in the game (the LG), So why not try it without another.

<< Comment #694 @ 05:41 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (pool-234-68-196-89.dbd-ipconnect.net)

fwefwef

<< Comment #697 @ 06:35 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

By

sonic

chaingun?

<< Comment #698 @ 06:36 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

By

I'd like to see more team gamemodes. And more than 2 supported teams.

<< Comment #911 @ 04:18 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #698

more than 2 teams is a good idea, not really new though. I would love to see three or even more teams fighting in One Flag CTF or Domination.

<< Comment #700 @ 06:45 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Don't ruin the game because of annoying advertisings. Add them in places where they are not frustrating ie: the map snapshot when loading, at the webpage, at the ingame menu. Please, no imposible-to-skip-ads that you have to see forced everytime you want to play. Also, ingame adds can ruin the atmosphere: Imagine ZTN with some random ads everywhere. Just retarded.

<< Comment #702 @ 08:39 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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- tutorials (maps and vids) for showing people how to do all moves. strafejumping/rocket jumping + anything else.
- heavily tested maps for great gameplay.
- some of the good parts of steam, friends and clan things.

<< Comment #704 @ 09:20 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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-]ooo[-

Copy & Paste CPM

<< Comment #1031 @ 22:48 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #704

its a remake. not a clone jackass..

<< Comment #705 @ 09:44 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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noctis

please add a 4 players max per team limit in ctf, thx.

<< Comment #711 @ 18:50 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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vedic

How about some more colors for names (cpma) and proper display in log? More rail colors would be nice, too.

Perhaps some more rewards like Q4. I rather like what they did in isReady - very subtle but it's a nice touch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2716322189878356764

Also, how about some more data from the clients in the demos? I'd love to tell when people are using zoom and such.

Edit: Oh, and the elo rating system was a great choice by Epic for UT. It should also be considered.

Edited by Vedic at 19:18 CST, 18 December 2007

<< Comment #715 @ 00:37 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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injx - Reply to #711

i think adding some more rewards is a very easy way to make the game more fun for newbs. for example airrox reward: enemy in air for at least a minimum time. in fact there could be different types of airrox reward depending on if you popped them up yourself, and how many times you hit while in the air eg. 1x, 1xpopup, 2x, 2xpopup etc.
and experiment with a flick rail reward (dont know how well this would work) based on the viewangle speed in the frame just before a rail frag.

<< Comment #748 @ 16:34 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #715

yeah agree

<< Comment #725 @ 06:10 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #711

Love the rewards - as you say delicate. I wouldn't like the ones in the middle of the screen though and maybe just for things that are hard or cool like double/triple rail, mid air rockets and certain combo's.

<< Comment #732 @ 11:19 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #725

Well, the big flashy ones would be okay for spectators and could be a toggle. I especially like the animated railgun reward.

<< Comment #749 @ 16:35 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #732

yeah, ok if you there toggled.

<< Comment #712 @ 18:51 CST, 18 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

An I-do-not-like-that-asshole-option, to ignore certain people from matchmaking and stuff:P

<< Comment #1479 @ 20:21 CST, 23 January 2008 >>

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ix - Reply to #712

At the top level of play that becomes an issue to artificially raise your ranking by avoiding getting matched with the best players. In a proper matchmaking + ranking system you need to be unable to do that, an anonymity option (aside from displaying your rakning band {this avoids precise ratings telling you who it is}) or an ignore function would be better.

<< Comment #1483 @ 10:39 CST, 24 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1479

for unranked matches:D

<< Comment #716 @ 01:06 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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wch

How about a built in rocket jump script.. specifically the 180 script.

If it was built in to Q3, then certain members of the community couldn't whine about not having it :D

<< Comment #719 @ 02:32 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

By

poindexter - Reply to #716

or just block them all and learn some skillz...

<< Comment #720 @ 03:03 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #716

Don't think it's a good idea to create the possibility of scripts for things that a player should be able to do manually.

<< Comment #733 @ 11:26 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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eri - Reply to #716

gg ctf

<< Comment #753 @ 05:29 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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wch - Reply to #733

CTF was far more enjoyable to not only play, but to spec when the 180 rj script was allowed.. (i.e - no one knew about it but those using it).

It's a shame CPMA blocks the yawspeed command... otherwise i'd still be using it today!

<< Comment #767 @ 04:24 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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eri - Reply to #753

Youve obviously never played an eurocup level ctf game with ninjascript.

<< Comment #768 @ 05:36 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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wch - Reply to #767

I don't live in Europe, so your assumptions are correct.

I've played plenty of CTF, and the ninja script makes it 10x better.

<< Comment #769 @ 05:40 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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wch - Reply to #767

Oh, and another thing..

European CTF isn't the be all, end all of CTF.

<< Comment #801 @ 15:47 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

By

Vajra - Reply to #769

yeah but still, rj scripts :/

<< Comment #724 @ 05:41 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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jone

-No railgun. Too many people doing +backrail..quite zzzz.

-Chaingun.

-CPMA style netcode. example : 100 ping stiill playable.

-Modes to callvote from, example: 1v1, 2v2, TDM, CTF, CA, Freeze Tag, NTF, FFA ect.

-More speed on the movement. CPM movement prefered.

-No railgun

- CPM style lg and sg.

-Pretty colorful enemy models.

-Hellchick as announcer not Feedback.

-New but balanced powerups.

-Non laggy anitcheat assistant. Not punkbuster.

-Support for promode.

-Config friendly

-arQon as lead developer :>

-Q3 style singleplayer.

And finally no railgun.

<< Comment #726 @ 06:13 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #724

fuck wasn't meant to plus you - I think your post is utter shit even if it was /sarcasm.

<< Comment #842 @ 09:00 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #724

+ back rail isn't the problem, infact rail isn't the problem. I garuntee you take out the rail, you will get a bunch of +back rocket , +back chaingun, +back anything. If your so upset about getting hit with a rail, perhaps downing the rail damage to like 80 or 90 is your solution. The only reason +back rail pisses you off, is because you are chasing, which makes your pattern easy to hit with +back rail, they could use +back rocket just as effectively and still hit you just as much making you just as angry.

<< Comment #973 @ 21:03 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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jone - Reply to #842

Don't really chase...but most people revolve their game on just getting rail then running away for the remaining 10-14 min.. Quite zzzz..

CPMA CPM rail is best tbh

<< Comment #975 @ 23:19 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #973

Isn't cpma rail and q4 rail same or similiar.. in q4 its like 90 with 7 shots.

<< Comment #982 @ 05:24 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #973

i havent seen anyone beeing successful with that tactic in cpma vq3, especially now that ppl can hit smth with shaft. And if someone is running away all the time he will be out of armours pretty soon and the other guy will be stacked, hf railing a 200/200 monster thats comming towards you with shaft ;).

Imho weapons are fine in cpma vq3. Even tho nothing was really changed from osp to cpma but the netcode, the weapons are a bit more tiered in cpma vq3 which is imho how it should be anyway, not as drastic how it is in qw but still tiered.

<< Comment #727 @ 06:26 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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dadS

I think that you need to hype it up loads to be honest, everywhere. When you have info you can release. I don't think that many people know about it. Tell people via gaming forums, get in touch with magazines, do interviews, etc.

Say this is what we are planning a strictly designed professional competitive gaming platform. Get people back into quake then you have the large fanbase for when you release your next arena game. Have regular competitions not for loads of money, and for different leagues. Maybe the winner gets �10 or something, also have ones for that have no prizes. But lots of them - online a few lan events.

You have to create a large community and keep them happy and every now and then implement something keep them on their toes. (a new map or model), if you do that you will make ��$$ from other titles. Oh but they have to be good out of box.

Edited by dadS at 09:01 CST, 19 December 2007

<< Comment #729 @ 09:07 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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A player animation on +moveup+movedown, as in q4 1.4.2 :)

<< Comment #731 @ 09:31 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #729

Do the hitboxes change in Q3 when you jump and crouch?

<< Comment #734 @ 11:34 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

By

hemostick - Reply to #731

They do :/

<< Comment #736 @ 12:27 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #734

Isn't that exploitable? I mean, have people exploited that? It is easy to crouch every time you jump to reduce your hitbox, specially if you played CS back in the day.

To be honest, I think the hitbox should stay the same.

<< Comment #739 @ 12:42 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #736

Well, crouching in mid air is useful when moving around in several situations, so they'd have to remove the possibilty altogether or update the model's posture accordingly.

Edited by hemosaek at 12:43 CST, 19 December 2007

<< Comment #740 @ 12:50 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #739

Yep, I've used it. I just never thought one of its uses would be to avoid being hit on the legs :P

Well, if it hasn't been a problem in 8 years, I suppose it's not going to be a problem now, so the crouch animation would be a good feature indeed.

<< Comment #741 @ 12:55 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #740

Actually, you avoid being hit above the belly :)

<< Comment #742 @ 13:15 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #741

Heh, retracting the legs seemed more natural.

<< Comment #743 @ 13:24 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #742

Well, remember you use it to duck low ceilings ;)

<< Comment #747 @ 16:20 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #743

Now that I think about it, I used it to avoid the ceilings on ztn, specially when jumping out of the ya teleporter, so in my subconscious I knew it was that way :>

<< Comment #912 @ 04:30 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #747

its more useful on dm13 and dm6's mid level

<< Comment #744 @ 13:24 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

Some screenshots for xmas?:D

<< Comment #746 @ 16:04 CST, 19 December 2007 >>

By

zmongo - Reply to #744

Ye, give us a present :D

<< Comment #750 @ 03:52 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

By

neil

- Focus on getting the game "out of the box", ff you want new players to play QZ
- Easy server setup
- User friendly menusystem
- Tutorials
- QuakeTV

<< Comment #757 @ 12:22 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

By

xgo

1 screenshots for xmas

<< Comment #758 @ 13:52 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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dradik

Haha, if you wanted to make Quake Zero "perfect out of the box" we will be waiting a decade to play it. Just try to make it as best as you can.. thats all they can do.

<< Comment #760 @ 18:52 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #758

Well, perfect means QUAKE3+CPMA level.

<< Comment #764 @ 00:51 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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Larvi - Reply to #760

[-]�

<< Comment #771 @ 08:51 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #764

[ban]

<< Comment #761 @ 20:07 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

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r3mzzo

CPMA features and gameplay would be great. Accompany that with a nice match-making feature and you will have a title that lasts as long as Q3 did.

<< Comment #762 @ 21:41 CST, 20 December 2007 >>

By

sw33p3r

I would say that standardizing models to hitboxes would be a big plus.

<< Comment #763 @ 00:50 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

By

Larvi

rail 90 dam!!!

<< Comment #766 @ 02:26 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

By

Holy crap, this is a long thread.

My suggestion: Player stats as in depth as Enemy Territory: Quake Wars.

PLUS I would like to see where I rank with each asset.

Like in ET, I'd like to have a list of all the weapons vehicles, and items, and see what my rank is with each. Without having to go through each individual list.
: ] That'd be sweet.

Like kitten blood. : O

<< Comment #826 @ 09:10 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #766

lame.

<< Comment #1017 @ 15:02 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #826

http://stats.enemyterritory.com/leaders/weapo...l_combined

How is that lame?

<< Comment #772 @ 10:34 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (217-209-215-23-no39.tbcn.telia.com)

Sorry for posting anonymously but I can't find my login.

I don't know if the trickjumping aspects of the game will be given any attention outside of the application of trickjumps in actual DM, but I would hope so. I'm sure that the current trickjumping community is as large as the declining fragging community (there's some overlap too of course, but many people trickjump and many, many more enjoy watching it).

Physics bugs like overjumps and wallbugs are really important to trickjumping, but they're undesired in DM play. Is it possible that a tricking mode could be included where these exploits are allowed? Also, pleeeease don't change the strafe jumping mechanics! They are perfect the way they are and we've spent so much time practicing them.

Also, in Defrag we have the extra OSP acceleration but it's consistent. We use sv_fps 125 but maybe that's not viable for fragging? Anyway, I'm sure the trickjumping scene would help draw more people to Q0!

<< Comment #774 @ 19:05 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

By

sanchi

cpma netcode

<< Comment #775 @ 19:58 CST, 21 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p548ACBCC.dip.t-dialin.net)

sry for posting anonymously aswell ...

i�d definately love to see crouchsliding in qzero. its like THE (only) reason for me and most q4 players to chose q4 over q3, and i played (and loved playing) q3 from the very first moment.
if theres another cool new movement feature added to qzero i would of course give it a try aswell, i just feel that using vanilla or pm1 q3 movement would be a step back from the added possibilites that the q4 movement introduced.

<< Comment #777 @ 01:35 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #775

I'd have to disagree, first of all quake0 is gonna be a q3 remake, would be silly to add q4 crouch slide:)

Second; crouch sliding is great fun but too have everyone butrace all the time.. its keep the action on the ground as has been said here before:P

<< Comment #778 @ 04:30 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

By

- Player ID System, like PunkBuster ID, to track/ban cheaters, fakers, lamer etc.
- advanced scripting and console
- statistics (accuracies etc. like OSP)

Edited by arachno1d at 04:33 CST, 22 December 2007

<< Comment #781 @ 06:24 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #778

german OSP fagboy

<< Comment #779 @ 05:35 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

By

- Auto stats dump in XML file format turned on by default (with file compression). That is : all players accuracies, individual players stats (caps, assists, defense, returns,...), team stats, topshosts/bottomshots, items collected, distance covered, etc...
- Stats more accurates than what's existing in Q3 (eg. in CTF no differences between flag carrier defense & base defense, or flag returns assist, nme flag carrier kill assist & flag carrier defense assist)

<< Comment #780 @ 05:57 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

Ability to store your config inside a demo, so when anyone replays your demos, they can just /loadconfigdemo or smth?:P

<< Comment #783 @ 14:19 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #780

good idea, I like it!!

<< Comment #879 @ 10:23 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #780

I assume visual settings would be the only reason (picmip, crosshair, hudstyle, etc - anything that would leave a visual imprint.

Edited by SyncError at 10:26 CST, 27 December 2007

<< Comment #902 @ 18:03 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #879

Would assume thats what he meant...would be very cool ;)

<< Comment #908 @ 21:04 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #879

is a cool idea

been a few times I have downloaded a players config just to watch back a demo with it

<< Comment #919 @ 07:31 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #879

That's exactly what I meant:)
Just to see what the guy plays with, cg_fov, r_picmip, r_gamma drawgun maybe even enemymodel and brightskin color, crosshair and hud etc.

Edited by Terifire at 07:32 CST, 28 December 2007

<< Comment #921 @ 07:38 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #879

some ppl play with more then one crosshair/fov, would be nice if thats also possible to see.

<< Comment #933 @ 09:33 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #921

i thought the same (a decade ago). u mind reader or something?

<< Comment #934 @ 09:34 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #933

yes, but a very slow one.

<< Comment #1060 @ 12:02 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #879

Yes, when people learn from demos they want to see exactly what the player saw and heard to understand it properly.

<< Comment #782 @ 09:15 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

By

T-B0N3

also. maybe you wanna consider disabling the run sounds. makes game bit faster, and saves me the trouble of binding walk :) .
or am i gonna get shot by angry people now:(

<< Comment #784 @ 14:41 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (217-209-215-23-no39.tbcn.telia.com) - Reply to #782

Yes, and you won't hear them coming!

<< Comment #785 @ 15:32 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #784

thats the point? ever played cpm/qw/wsw ?

<< Comment #786 @ 16:19 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #785

The case is this is not QW/CPM/WSW, is VQ3 and walksounds are a part of VQ3 gameplay.

<< Comment #788 @ 19:40 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #785

I knew you were going to bring up warsow. No offense but skimming through half of warsow's forums were people submit idea's it is almost always "to make it faster" or to prevent the game from "getting slower" but never explained why that is good or bad for gameplay dynamics and balance.
In a breif general nutshell .. for CPM and warsow were you have the ability to carry speed around corners the set pace of the game is changed and so that just running is pretty much 'walking'. Pro being quiet/stealthy con being slow. In q3 you can't do any of that and so that just running is much more common and thus you need noise.
This depends a lot on the map of course.

<< Comment #787 @ 16:19 CST, 22 December 2007 >>

By

add mouseaccel from q3 to it.

its adjustable for everyones needs,

<< Comment #789 @ 01:24 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (c211-28-207-12.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au)

Nerf the machinegun... I know you said 'No gameplay changes', but this is essential.
Slower the rate of fire, lower the damage, replace it with a QW/Q2-style starting weapon - anything.

<< Comment #790 @ 02:21 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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sKyz

Im with naymlis in that we seriously need a match making system
this is critical!

Deathmatch games have been around for years, so the formula is well known to veterans; which is why a new player struggles to enjoy the game because of the huge gap in skill required to play. A community built on pros alone is insufficient since there are too few. However, other game developers fail to understand that making a game accessible to others shouldn't always involve reducing the "challenge" or "dumbing down the game-play" for the masses. A challenge is what makes a game enjoyable and taking that aspect out reduces fun IMO. Rather, I believe, developers should focus on systems that make even skill accessible to anyone. Quake is not like most games out there, its main selling feature is its multi-player experience I'm sure you know that.

I know it might not be easy coding a good algorithm to match skill, since there are so many variables that define "skill" such as kills\death ratio, kill streak, efficiency,accuracy, wins loses ratio, etc. how well a person moves is something thats not really measured but if you seen defrag movies it's a form of skill thats an unknown to most statistics.

sorry for long post :> conclusion MATCH MAKING SYSTEM FTW!!

<< Comment #791 @ 06:51 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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injx - Reply to #790

i think the best way to handle a matchmaking system is, instead of the game trying to guess and assign you your skill level, there is an option where the player themselves set their level. the players know if they are a newb/average/advanced and if they set the wrong level, they will get raped/get bored. so there should be a selection of skill levels such as: beginner (ie new to quake), rookie (low skill), experienced (med), veteran (high).

maybe an algorithm could give suggestions on skill levels, depending on stats, but imo skill is too complex a thing for an algoithm to deduce.

Edited by injx at 06:52 CST, 23 December 2007

<< Comment #792 @ 08:42 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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hydra - Reply to #791

I think OSP's voodoostats are a good start for skill calculation.

It may be a good idea to give each player a skill level for tdm, a skill level for ctf, one for 1v1, etc..... because some players are for example good at tdm but are only so-so at 1v1 and ctf.

It's a bit like ET:QW. Medals for being an engineer don't make you a great spy.

Edited by hydra at 08:43 CST, 23 December 2007

<< Comment #793 @ 12:21 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #792

it makes perfect sense, lets just hope they implement it.

<< Comment #795 @ 12:31 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #792

you don't need voodoo stats, just different ratio and exp for different game types.

<< Comment #796 @ 12:43 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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hydra - Reply to #795

I meant to refer to the algorithm for calculating skill in voodoostats.

I wasn't clear enough. My mistake.

<< Comment #797 @ 12:49 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #796

yet all that seems too much, sure statistics are nice as information but I don't see the reason to calculate them into something.

Gaining "experience" and "levels" from wins should be enough.

<< Comment #799 @ 13:27 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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hydra - Reply to #797

yes, that's what I meant :)

just the algorithm for skill (or experience as you call it) and base levels on the values it produces.

<< Comment #794 @ 12:30 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #791

people making this shit too complicated.

take a look at battle.net and you'll see a very effective system

win/loss ratio coupled with exp

job done

<< Comment #798 @ 12:53 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #794

it was like that once, but since too many pros smurfed, they made a new system.

afaik with the new system you got 2 levels, the ELL and the shown one. The ELL starts at 25 or something, then the farther away you are from your ELL the faster you will reach it or something. Pretty complicated :/

<< Comment #800 @ 14:20 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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m4z

- add "domination" as a new gamemode
- leave movement at osp
- maybe increase plasma fire rate a very little bit
- add new and nice maps
- movement tutorial( with ghost and all this stuff) and some other tutorials
- a system like in battle.net where you play against players of your skill rate. (if you want to), so that newbies dont rageleave the game because they kicked their ass in the first games they play.
- maybe a new powerup which boosts movement and switches into cpm gamplay for 5-10 seconds( doesnt have to be used if it sucks, like /cg_quaddamage 0 or so)
- i liked the feature of q4 where you can shoot teleporters and jumppads ( was the only thing i liked in q4)

<< Comment #802 @ 19:17 CST, 23 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

-must: Fix the stuttering issues with the newest hardware that Q3 has.

<< Comment #803 @ 01:55 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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xgo

core 2 duo support :DDDD (ye i know to much work)
-put some fancy graphic features - which complexity is O(n^2) so it will eat your PC :D ; so hardwave manufacturers can brag how well it can run q0 ;P

<< Comment #807 @ 08:04 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #803

No its NOT. Its a must. If Q0 stutters a single time like Q3 is doing on my computer, im gonna kill Syncerror and then the rest of id employees.

<< Comment #811 @ 12:17 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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xgo - Reply to #807

u really got no idea what i ment...

<< Comment #812 @ 12:21 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #811

Yes I did. Now leave this thread.

<< Comment #839 @ 00:37 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #812

You've got issues.

<< Comment #852 @ 13:31 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #839

these are my shoes, those are your shoes

<< Comment #872 @ 03:20 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Twist` - Reply to #852

Huh? Enlighten me :)

<< Comment #1061 @ 12:04 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #807

Set Q3's priority to real-time and turn off any powersaving/processor downclocking wank and it should be smooth.

<< Comment #1079 @ 16:53 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1061

More details about what im talking about:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1484070

I'll try the realtime thing, but I doubt it. Also, what are you talking about with that powersaving stuff, pre-configured bios with lowered shit to make the system "more stable", windows configuration, apps? what.

p.d: Is there a way to set "real time" by default to quake3.exe? In case it works.

Edited by nemecel at 17:02 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #804 @ 05:59 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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m4z

i forgot the most important thing:

- take all the time you need to do the perfect q3 remake- release the game "when it's done" like blizzard does.
we dont need an unfinished game- it is extremely imtportant espessially if you want to build up a community because new players dont give the game another chance if it sucks out of the box- and will hop to the next crapgame they can find.

<< Comment #805 @ 06:26 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-088-078-005-199.pools.arcor-ip.net)

Even though I�m a big fan of Q3 I have to admit that an improved Q3 wouldnt be a good idea to get a lot of new players into the game. They would get raped by a bunch of ppl who play Q3 since years and lose interest: Both factions. So what is needed imo are alternations. This goes especially for the maps: The known maps are so unbeliavably played out that it actually hurts. I think every remake of Q3 maps should be sued to court or something...

Next I find the netcode of CPM doubtable: I agree that it�s good to make it easier to configure and that this helps starters to get into the game. A new player shouldnt need to mess with a tutorial about netsettings when he starts. What I absolutely dislike is this "hit all" feature cpm netcode has. One often registers hits on ppl you havent even aimed at or end up having hilarious accuracies on servers where you ping 100+ or smth which are above what one gets with OSP on LAN. Furthermore I think CPM has too many configurable settings for "casual players". I think CS and the leagues have shown a good way to limit the settings to a reasonable amount e.g. what players need to play.

<< Comment #806 @ 07:22 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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r3mzzo - Reply to #805

Gameplay changes are not the means to smooth a transition between newbs (like myself), and multi-year vets. Maps will help, but are no means going to make a significant difference.

Agreed regarding should not need to read tutorials on variable settings if you want to attract the most appeal, however I have yet to find another game where the netcode is anywhere close to as solids as CPMAs. Netcode is a huge difference for many players who simply do not get decent pings to the popular locations.

Match making based on skill will make or break any futuristic fast-paced FPS nowadays (appropriate skill level servers, a discrete ranking system ie rank #15 medium instead of displaying an overall like #5000 overall etc..). Players have evolved in both the quake and ut communities to the point where the hurdle for newbs to climb seems unsurmountable for them (this applies to a majority of new players, not all, I realize there are exceptions to that statement).

<< Comment #808 @ 08:09 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #805

Newbs would get owned regardless the map. The classics must be all present (pro-q3dm6, ztn3tourney1, pro-q3tourney4 etc). Don't include the classics and see Q0 fail, 100% guaranteed.

News will not get owned because of matchmaking.

CPMA netcode is the best netcode available, stop whining.

<< Comment #813 @ 13:23 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-088-077-247-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) - Reply to #808

oh jesus... can we have a filter for cpm fanboys who are resistant towards an argument?

<< Comment #833 @ 13:29 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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shlaeNg - Reply to #813

Can we have a ban of Germans on the use of anonymous posts because all they do is whine about OSP? None of your arguments are valid at all. Just shut up and play your dead mod.

<< Comment #1176 @ 17:22 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #833

It's either "arachno1d" or "strammer max" who I suspect are a single person :D

<< Comment #838 @ 20:21 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #813

You are retarded and deserve nothing but STFU. Im a VQ3 player, not a CPM player, to begin with. Now do something useful and gtfo.

<< Comment #840 @ 03:25 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #838

come on, don't lie
i raped you on a CPM server and you were like "OMG! DIS GAME GOT SKILL, I HOPE QZ WONT BE LIEK DIS OR ILL GET RAPED 4 LYF, OMG!"

story of ur life nig

Edited by Aquashark at 03:27 CST, 26 December 2007

<< Comment #853 @ 13:48 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #840

Untrue, since I rape you at anything.

<< Comment #810 @ 11:53 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (pD9E5A1EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

in my opinion the crouchslide is a important aspect in quake zero, i need it :)
if the programmers are including the osp movement and realising a good netcode it can�t going wrong.
i think this game can become the best quake in the last years.

<< Comment #809 @ 11:53 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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b3ast

in my opinion the crouchslide is a important aspect in the game.
i need it. i can move very fast around the corners, it�s very funny.
moreover the promode movement is perfect for this game. a great netcode and the newest and best quake will be born.
the grafic ist so important but can be good too. it�s really not a mistake. :)

<< Comment #817 @ 21:47 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #809

why promode movement + crouchslide? you only need one of them to turn around corners...

<< Comment #889 @ 12:44 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #817

Because the air control maintains and gains a wee bit a speed.. and the crouchslide gains alot of speed. However, sometimes you can't crouchslide becaues of the lack of room and then it would be more ideal to use air control just to add more fluidity. Also adds more advanced movement.. "are they comming high or low?" I think a mixture of the two just adds to the game.

<< Comment #1055 @ 10:12 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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zealot - Reply to #889

i want to [-] you two :<

<< Comment #1109 @ 13:49 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #1055

heh.. what does "[-]" mean?

<< Comment #1112 @ 16:31 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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deathinfire - Reply to #1109

it means you're new. welcome to esr

<< Comment #814 @ 13:23 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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r3mzzo

Needs
"- detailed tutorial for movement, shooting, tactics
- matchmaking system
- achievements system
- QuakeTV
- advanced demos capability (multiview demos, playing in browser, playback slider controls, slow-mo, fast-fw, scriptable camera system)
- multi-arena servers
- CPMA netcode"
Quoted from http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1478340#pid1478340

Also, very great point that must be followed for success, else see (Q4, UT3)
"i forgot the most important thing:
- take all the time you need to do the perfect q3 remake- release the game "when it's done" like blizzard does.
we dont need an unfinished game- it is extremely imtportant espessially if you want to build up a community because new players dont give the game another chance if it sucks out of the box- and will hop to the next crapgame they can find."
Quoted from http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1485838#pid1485838

Personal Preferrence
CPM style movement

As a former UT2k4/UT3 player I am totally excited for cpma cpm gameplay to me its the most exciting fast paced fps gameplay out there. Its the epitome of what our gaming genre should be about.

If not cpm than nice movement system to maintain speed around corners, seems like crouch sliding has basically been ruled out, hence not recommending that as a substitute.

Edited by r3mzzo at 17:07 CST, 25 December 2007

<< Comment #841 @ 08:56 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #814

Why crouch sliding gives you MORE speed around corners, it makes the movement MORE intense, and the game MORE fun. People that are against it, haven't really learned how to do it effectively, or they haven't seen its broad application on game play. Especially like in games like duel and ctf... you can DRASTICALLY change your direction by either strafing with holding foward or not holding foward. Making the game much MORE interesting and adds MORE competitiveness.

Im not against Q3 at all, I just think mix the two, and you will get something MORE fun thats all :).

<< Comment #1081 @ 18:03 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #841

and if i eat MORE food i'll be MORE fat. just because it's there doesn't mean it's good.

<< Comment #1107 @ 13:46 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #1081

But, more of a good thing is... good.. not the other way around. There is always room for improvements.

<< Comment #816 @ 18:45 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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Weird '

1) I would like a matchmaking system (default = on!), but the client should be able to turn this off.

2) Give people ratings not only by how good they are, but also think about giving them punishments for leaving games early. I get so frustrated when people quit halfway (for instance think about 5 points = 2 day ban, 1 point per quit, and 1 point gets deducted every day (1 free disconnect a day))

3) standarize network settings so that ppl do not have to know settings to play it fluently. Also either do bandwith optimalization, or make the network a standard. Everyones connection can handle the data q3 transfers ez nowdays, except maybe people who still use the mail in order to send their packages.

4) statistics of each player fairly openly available to all others, by having a global statistics website, and let each client / server upload the end statistics for each game etc. (I do not have a clue on how to make this safe in order of correctness but you prolly know someone who does ;))

5) imo no bots, so that ppl allways play online (bigger scene :p)

6) Make the main website of which qz launches either a statistic page, or one like esreality with community newst on it.

7) Limit the features, just allow: sens + accel settings, nmy color, different crosshairs (also colors), and maybe allow simpleItems. This way people who are less known to the game are not handicapped, and can even see that it's fair in all ways.
For the ussual features, just use the normal settings vq3, but make the lg a bit thinner than in was when q3 was just released ;) rest of the weapons are fine.
And if you are improving the netcode than plz make the lg a bit less effective (either less knockback (my preference) or a bit less dmg, or both).
Most important though is that clients should not be able to change every little thing in the game graphicaly. Back when q3 was released a lot was unknown about how people like to play games, now that it is known plz let all other features rest and do not allow people to change them.
I can still remember years of people whining about certain features. Just disable them for all clients and everyone will play the game it's meant to be played.

<< Comment #818 @ 21:51 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #816

2) Give people ratings not only by how good they are, but also think about giving them punishments for leaving games early. I get so frustrated when people quit halfway (for instance think about 5 points = 2 day ban, 1 point per quit, and 1 point gets deducted every day (1 free disconnect a day))

like adding a + or - when the player disconect and the other didnt agreeded :p
or when a player has to leave both of them agree something like that xD

i kinda like bots tho :p spiter bot actually xD

<< Comment #819 @ 23:26 CST, 24 December 2007 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #818

well a player doesn't have to leave all of the time, so that's what the -1 per day is for (and for ppl with cablecompanies that cut cords all of a sudden).
But how exactly everything can be implemented is not realy what I care about. As long as SyncError can throw in the idea at the ideasoftwarebox, I'm sure that if some others (inside id) agree with me they can come up with a decent system for it. (Dunno if they can do that for idea nr4 though since I dunno things about that....)

<< Comment #925 @ 08:20 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #816

No bots can also have the effect that people leave permanantly after 20 minutes. Bots are needed, especially for new players. If you can rape a nightmare bot 1v1 in Q3 then you are barely ready for online play IMO. Playing against bots is the best way to learn a new game since you can practice lag free, while learning maps and weapon characteristics.

<< Comment #926 @ 08:28 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #925

that's what matchmaking is for ? (put them up vs ppl of equal skill, so bad players play bad players)

<< Comment #929 @ 08:39 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #926

Most newbies will not play 1on1, and that also applies to alot of experienced players as well. Sometimes I wonder if the 1on1 players think they are the entire scene. Matchmaking won't help you learn maps and weapon characteristics as fast as bots can. I know how to play Quake, but I always use bots when I come to a new quake game. Helps me learn how the game works in a high paced manner where I can control how many players are on the server, weapon spawn times etc.

Thankfully SABot was released soon after Q4's release, which helped me get used to alot of the weapons. I also used it to test quite a few settings to find my preferred config.

<< Comment #935 @ 10:26 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #929

matchmaking can also be used in ffa (at least as long as there are enough players it works pretty good).
And dunno why you would do that stuff vs bots though... tbh I didn't even know q4 had any bot that worked with it...
But the main idea behind no bots, is that matchmaking works best when a huge amount of players use it, so if we could somehow make sure everyone plays eachother and the games they play are fun.... we will have one heck of a huge scene ?

<< Comment #820 @ 04:04 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

By

crouchsliding will be nice :p

<< Comment #827 @ 09:17 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #820

Unfortunately Sync Error has already directly stated that while he's ok with it in Quake 4, it will not be in any other Quake game.
Which means I'm gonna be THAT guy. You know, the one that just plays QW and Q4, because we're gonna have another slow, boring Q3. That's boring. And slow. And un-interesting. And very camper-friendly (you know, exactly like Q3 is now.)

Ah well... I guess that comes with being old. I'm set in my ways. I guess the UT players are gonna love this new game.

Unfortunately, I'm also getting the idea from what Sync said that the crouchsliding won't be in ANY more Quake games (obviously that would include the Tech 5 dm game).

Ah well, I guess at least now there's ONE person on ESR that's NOT looking forward to this game anymore. (though I was very excited, trying to come up with t-shirt ideas and the like to help spread the word).

<< Comment #829 @ 09:56 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #827

OMG THE T-SHIRTS!!

<< Comment #831 @ 10:19 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #829

Well, what easier 'word of mouth' advertisement type is there?

<< Comment #835 @ 16:12 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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deathinfire - Reply to #827

no one cares

<< Comment #836 @ 16:17 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #835

And that's why the grand total of people that will play this game have already posted in this thread.

<< Comment #847 @ 10:13 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #827

You are one sad individual.

<< Comment #830 @ 10:01 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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Mitritch - Reply to #820

QW/CPM/Warsow alike air control would be even better... :)

<< Comment #825 @ 08:19 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

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sudstah

world record for the most comments on a post, IM POSTING FOR THAT SOLE REASON!

<< Comment #837 @ 16:53 CST, 25 December 2007 >>

By

zmongo

Q0 recipe for instant sucess

edit : porn would also be nice

Edited by zmongo at 16:54 CST, 25 December 2007

<< Comment #843 @ 09:37 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #837

also this

(as health pickups)

Edited by moonshield at 09:38 CST, 26 December 2007

<< Comment #844 @ 10:04 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #843

I think we won the thread

<< Comment #845 @ 10:10 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (235-42.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch)

Visuals/Audio:
-Q3based Gothic Style
-Lot of works on ambiance
-Q3-Announcer
-Old/more medails (like killing-sprees, combo-kills)

Maps:
-Brandnew maps
-Classic maps like ztn-tourney, campgrounds, dm17
-don't forget ctf,tdm

Weapons:
-Quakestyle-Weapons (without the napalm launcher)
-Spawnweapon includes gauntlet and machingun (All-in-one)
-Balances weapons
-Railgun: 80
-Rocket: 80
-WeaponSwitch-Speed like Q3

Movement:
-CPM-like
-No crouchslide, but possibility to maintain the speed around a
corner
-Additional movement for defrag

MP-Experience:
-Matchmaking-system
-Online-Rankins like Halo3:
where every player can login and look/show its
scores, screenies, or movies (took in the game)
-QuakeTV
-Movement-Tutorials for n00bs

Engine:
-Runnable on ALL systems (>60fps)
-CPMA-like netcode
-Anticheat-system (no lags � la PB)

<< Comment #846 @ 10:10 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (82-42-203-6.cable.ubr02.knor.blueyonder.co.uk)

woot

Been away from all things gaming for a long time. First i've heard about Quake Zero.

Any idea on when this is gunna' out? :]

<< Comment #856 @ 15:10 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #846

When it�s done

<< Comment #858 @ 16:08 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (82-42-203-6.cable.ubr02.knor.blueyonder.co.uk) - Reply to #856

Hey Sherlock, hows it goin?

<< Comment #860 @ 16:30 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #858

Im playing captain obvious, obviously

<< Comment #861 @ 16:34 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #858

jezzzz , how rude of me

How are you mr.anonymous?

<< Comment #863 @ 17:30 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (82-42-203-6.cable.ubr02.knor.blueyonder.co.uk) - Reply to #861

I'm good, thanks.

I've been away from gaming since like 2003, but i just checked esr for the 1st time in ages and got excited at the prospect of Quake Zero.

Shame on me for not checking every possible source for a possible release date before making my post. :]

<< Comment #922 @ 08:06 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #863

internets is serious business

<< Comment #848 @ 10:28 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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m4z

if rail and rocket gets 80, shaft will be sooooo overused , 100% i can tell you.
rail and rocket damage is ok.
(rail dmg 99 would be an alternative i would like)

<< Comment #849 @ 11:35 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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Anonymous (235-42.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) - Reply to #848

rl/rg: 80hp -> like warsow where the weapon-balance's pretty good
(w�w0.3 rl: 80 / eb: 65) ;)

<< Comment #851 @ 13:19 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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dradik - Reply to #849

I can agree with reducing the rail damage, that makes sense; but not reducing the rocketlauncher. The rocket launcher for Quake should be an average players bread and butter. So reducing it would I think lead to lg whorage. Perhaps toning down the lg damage would be an option. I think its good where its at in Q4, in Q3 it is a little too powerful.

<< Comment #850 @ 11:54 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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noctis

if you include them, pls remove the sg/ya spawn from dm6 in duel, and the gl/ya spawn from hub ;/

<< Comment #1062 @ 12:13 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #850

You VQ3 types could have that already if you presented some kind of unified voice. It'd take 5 minutes to make a map config that removed those spawns automatically.

<< Comment #854 @ 14:38 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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cyronix '

General:
Please don't just remake a Q3A,
people don't want to see the same again ...
Please try to improve the game.
Try to integrate good ideas from previous quakes and other multiplayer fps, if they mix well.

Gameplay:
- speed up the gameplay, the more speed, the more skill is needed
- enable trickjumping like in Q2/QW
- watch out with newbiefriendlyness, analogy: maybe a 2D side scroller is more newbie friendly then 3D Action Adventure ala Devil May Cry, but the mass definately likes better the more complicated 3D Game. I don't think trickjumps are newbieunfriendly if they are not forced in the map,
speed is also not newbieunfriendly, it's just a matter of getting used to it.

Weapons:
- Fast rockets, Players bounce in the air like in QW,
fragging someone in the air is just such a good feeling.
- bring back a weak startweapon like in Q1/Q2.

Visuals:
- No superb engine is needed, look at the sucess of the wii in comparison to PS3 and XBox, people want gameplay not graphics
- No rusty Q2/Q4 textures, gothic like Q3A is much more attractive.

Multiple Systems:
- Port it to consoles too, and enable keyboard + mouse support.

<< Comment #855 @ 15:03 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #854

"Please don't just remake a Q3A,
people don't want to see the same again ...
Please try to improve the game.
Try to integrate good ideas from previous quakes and other multiplayer fps, if they mix well."

Also my main concerns.

<< Comment #857 @ 16:07 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #855

you are waiting for the next quake arena game, and not for quake zero.

<< Comment #859 @ 16:25 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #857

Ye i guess we are asking for too much unfortunately

<< Comment #862 @ 16:36 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #859

no, you are asking for things in the wrong game, thats all ;)

<< Comment #866 @ 18:34 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #862

Now that you mentioned it, we probably should be creating a thread similar to this one but for the next quake arena

<< Comment #870 @ 02:41 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme - Reply to #866

Yeah go nuts, just stop polluting this thread here with useless gameplay suggestions any more than it is already.
This thread is about feature requests, not a core gameplay discussion.

<< Comment #1083 @ 20:22 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Automaton - Reply to #854

"the more speed, the more skill is needed."

That's like saying blitz takes more skill than chess.

<< Comment #1132 @ 04:46 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #1083

I play chess myself actually, and blitzchess has nothing to do with reflexes or intuition, good blitz players don't think faster, they just skip thinking processes, partially they don't even skip these processes, some just can't even think that far. I myself am a bad blitz player, because my playing style is not appropriate for blitz, I always try to put pressure on my opponent, I play like I do in classical chess, but this costs too much time, it is so much more difficult to create problems for your opponent, then just to react to them ... that is why in 75 % of my games I lose I am in a better position, but run out of time ... most good blitz players, do not even have the ability to calculate far in advance like I do, they just do some moves they assume they are safe, they play actually somewhat unambitious ... they often just do moves that are safe and not too uncompromising, and in the end not really good moves, and I get quite often the upper hand after the opening ... while in classical play I would just continue to demolish them,
in blitz I just do not have enough time, and in these sharper positions, it is very easy to go wrong for the one who opened his position and actually trys to do something ... but I won't change my style, blitz chess is just not worth it. Actually "physically" I can move the pieces twice as fast as these good blitzplayers, btw ...

And in Quake I have a very good aim with rail, a very good movement, and a very good handeye coordination, I am able to do 180 degree turn, and at the same time rail my opponent ... and I am quite sure most good blitzplayers do not have any talent for this ... Fast play in Quake has nothing to do with blitz chess ... sorry.

Edited by cx at 04:48 CST, 1 January 2008

<< Comment #1266 @ 18:52 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Automaton - Reply to #1132

My point is that certain skills in both are orthogonal. I think we agree as far as the distinction between blitz and chess. My point in comparison between cpm and q3 is the same - faster gameplay reduces the amount of time allowed for thought, resulting in less thinking. I'm not commenting on physical skill or anything like that. And of course, comparisons between 4 or more different games will only go so far.

<< Comment #867 @ 19:03 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

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dadS

anyone mentioned about making the other mouse buttons bindable without external software.

<< Comment #868 @ 19:43 CST, 26 December 2007 >>

By

s1k

ok this post is VERY important for idsoft:

you people have maybe heard that they try to make new harder rules in germany for brutal games. and if they succeed there is a chance that others will maybe follow...
besides that i think everybody will understand that many players are under 18, or even under the age of 16 or 14.

so what does that mean:

idsoft has to provide 2 clients -------

1. first client for oldschool quakers and grown ups with the normal gfx and sound, blood and so on. idsoft hell.

2. another client which can be used by children, youth and PUBLIC media during all hours of a day in tv -
both clients have to be fully compatible but the "media,youth" client has to lack blood (maybe green or blue), gibs (maybe robot parts, no humans have to be hurted, or people will go insane like always) and other mature parts with naked breasts and so on.

quake3 can be a nice game for childs too, and it is - i have tested it with blood off and no gibts and lowgfx. and noone will complain if there is a special version for media and kids. but many will complain if there is only the original version around as it was with q3.

but be sure both clients are fully compatible, and fully compatible in looks. so that its not a winning difference if you play the kid or adult version. no big changes, only the needed ones

<< Comment #871 @ 03:08 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #868

LMAO @ Germany

cg_gibs 0
com_blood 0

no need for 1517 clients to bypass some retarded laws imposed by retarded "grown-ups"

<< Comment #950 @ 14:24 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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s1k - Reply to #871

germany is not the only country with rules for games, people should check the lists of their countries for rated18 things or banned products - movies, books, paintings, games, audio ...

and im quite into the theme since years (i guess i could work with people who are rating games) - countries are still interested to make something unavailable in public if their is only an option to disable the gore, which 10year old would disable it :))
in a product for childs they want to be convinced : that the child has no way to see the gore effects or sex.

yes in germany even games got on the index (no media, no ads, 18)
where the maingame wasnt that brutal, but if you had the right key press combination the full blood was available !!
in the mediaclient there mustnt be violence vs humans, not by option not by code nor by official updates.

<< Comment #873 @ 04:52 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #868

i kinda doubt they can ban a free game, or?

but you are still right for the next quake arena.

<< Comment #949 @ 14:12 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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s1k - Reply to #873

yes, its not a question if something is free or not.
example: if some esr people produce a childporn game it will be banned in most civilised countries.
-----------

idsoft stands for brutal action this should not change.
solution ? : a 2nd client is needed for public media and kids -
also to be sure nothing can happen if other countries decide to have more strict rules in future. to be on the sure side !
ofc we want quakezero to be very big, i dont see many other solutions tbh.

<< Comment #927 @ 08:31 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #868

Do we really need blood in Quake? It really only hinders visability.

<< Comment #951 @ 14:29 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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s1k - Reply to #927

check through some famous proconfigs.
there are players who prefer to play with blood who have awesome aim.

and idsoft always made bloody games, its part of quake

<< Comment #869 @ 02:35 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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somebodyshootme

Having Q3 Custom maps work in Q0 would be very much appreciated(Since Including them into the base product beforehand will obviously not happen)

<< Comment #888 @ 12:17 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

By

retire

Forget it, mainstream won't like it, concentrate on a modern-realistic shooter and sell millions

<< Comment #890 @ 14:00 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #888

i doubt it, the console market is filled with far bigger/established ip's.

it would be easy for id to spend 2-3 years making a game that looks like everything else.
Most dev houses know how to make a good fps and get it running on a good looking game engine.

id have not had that luxury for quite sometime now.

<< Comment #923 @ 08:15 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #888

agree, this isn't about making a game that you're going to enjoy it's simply a tool to gauge how well the next quake title will do and weather they can justify making it

but yeah, i'm hoping they accidentally get some of it right

<< Comment #891 @ 15:03 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

also keep the Quake Zero title. likey likey

<< Comment #892 @ 15:06 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #891

QuakeZero, while liked by many, is only a working title. We hope you welcome or adjust to the new name. =)

<< Comment #893 @ 15:36 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #892

QuakeXaero xD cof cof

<< Comment #894 @ 15:39 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #892

the name i heard sounds a bit too much like a microsoft product imho ;x

<< Comment #895 @ 16:27 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #894

I bet it's Quake Millennium Edition or Quake 2008 Professional SP2 then.

I liked QuakeZero too :(

<< Comment #897 @ 16:37 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #895

lol no.

<< Comment #896 @ 16:36 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #894

tell tell

<< Comment #1263 @ 17:20 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #894

I've heard of a name that I could describe like that too. Why didn't you just say it? Is it supposed to be a secret? If so let's keep dropping subtle hints that we know what it is so we can appear to be in the loop and important on the internet.

<< Comment #1265 @ 17:34 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1263

ohh almighty Liam , please give us another hint

<< Comment #1270 @ 19:53 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #1265

Let's just say, it's "electrifying".

Yeah me and Sezzer were discussing this earlier, oh wait sorry I forgot you're not in the loop, Sezzer is what we call SyncError 'cause we're so close that we have an easy to say name due to how often we say it.

Anything you'd like to add noccer?

<< Comment #1282 @ 10:51 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1270

I still dont have a clue :(

edit: is it " Quake Live " ? Saw someone mentioning this name in another thread

edit2: and it sounds indeed like a microsoft product

Edited by zmongo at 10:54 CST, 5 January 2008

<< Comment #1286 @ 12:15 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #1282

Oh for FUCKS SAKE, you ruined it :/

<< Comment #1287 @ 12:56 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1282

Arg, I hate that name :((

Edit: wouldn't be more logical if Quake Live was the name of the Quake that will be published on XBLA?

Edited by tzz at 13:00 CST, 5 January 2008

<< Comment #900 @ 17:45 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Cool_Juice - Reply to #892

SuperQuake 9000

<< Comment #903 @ 18:05 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #900

it should be over 9000

<< Comment #904 @ 19:04 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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acidreign - Reply to #892

Quake 3: Reborn

<< Comment #906 @ 20:24 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #892

You are going to fucking FAIL if you change it. Quake must be in the tittle, and QuakeZero sounded very good. Please not silly names.

<< Comment #913 @ 04:46 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #906

calm down already ffs, you fail if you do this, you fail if you do that, you can only fail anyway...

the titel which i think it gets is ok, dont worry about it.

<< Comment #931 @ 09:31 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #913

So who are you to be a "im a vip so I get secret information". Share the name and lets fix it now that we can in case it sucks donkey balls.

<< Comment #932 @ 09:32 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #931

lol vip, i read it in the idsoftware channel on irc.

<< Comment #916 @ 05:26 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #906

I second that, Quake Zero is really a very good name,
I hope you keep it.

<< Comment #917 @ 06:08 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #892

but Quake Zero is so cute :<

<< Comment #898 @ 16:47 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

People Can Fly kind of game mode, with amphi like maps and unlimited ammo?:D

<< Comment #899 @ 17:23 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #898

what is that? painkiller's midair mode right?

<< Comment #901 @ 17:45 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #899

yepp

<< Comment #905 @ 19:16 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

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tabris

Rating system like ELO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

<< Comment #947 @ 13:41 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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acidreign - Reply to #905

Yes!

<< Comment #907 @ 20:39 CST, 27 December 2007 >>

By

Essential Features:

URL Redirect for mods, custom maps, skins, and other files.
Support for mods and custom maps.
Backwards support for Quake 3 custom maps
Backwards support for Quake 3 custom skins.
Backwards support for Quake 3 mods.
People can host their own dedicated Linux servers.
Linux client support.

Interface:

Mute other player function -- so you can hit tab, click on a player and choose to mute his/her text and taunts.

Cached browser, so it doesn't have to re-list everytime game is launched -- only looks for new servers, and does a refresh.

Better filter system for selecting the ideal server.

Anti-Cheat:

An anti-cheat system that isn't a root-kit.

Exploit Fixes:

Please consider exploit fixes, such as using max_fps beyond 125, cg_shadows 2/3 (bleeding through walls), timenudge anomalies, etc.

Server administration:

Possible remote web interface similar to pb-web, ability to define per item/feature voting (instead of all or nothing), ability to limit vote spam, option to temp ban kicked players (instead of just being able to reconnect).

GUID based banning or even a login system -- probably needed for stats tracking.

Most important:

Please don't change the weapons, physics, movement, or anything else related to Q3 gameplay -- mod makers can do that kinda thing.

Thank you. :)

Edited by escapedturkey at 21:02 CST, 27 December 2007

<< Comment #909 @ 03:04 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

ALT+TAB support in fullscreen

<< Comment #918 @ 07:27 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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aaaaaat

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Edited by ubr at 15:17 CDT, 8 June 2022

<< Comment #920 @ 07:35 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #918

k/d ratio doesn't have any bearing on skill?

acc going up by a 10% on average doesnt mean you have improved?

I would love a stat tracking system to see how my aim and k/d ratio improves over time, to see that I deal more and more damage or receive less damage, or pick up more ra's.

<< Comment #930 @ 08:40 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #920

tbh accuracy and k/d ratio also go up when you play noobs.
But the funny thing is, everyone wants matchmaking. And matchmaking needs some skill indication, so there allready has to be a list of some kind (if they will put matchmaking in).
Putting some more stats into this will probably not be too hard ;)

<< Comment #963 @ 18:59 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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aaaaaat - Reply to #920

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Edited by ubr at 15:17 CDT, 8 June 2022

<< Comment #967 @ 19:35 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #963

You'd notice pretty fast, wether someone is shafting for acc %:P

<< Comment #937 @ 10:43 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge '

A lot of people suggest RG damage needs to be lowered. I think that approach practically destroys the idea behind the gun. There are many more parameters other than damage that you can adjust. No asked for the damage to be lowered in Q2. This is because there was a fire delay that required precise timing and skill. All you have to do is put that back. You can also increase the delay between shots and the time it takes you to switch to other guns. Lowering the damage of RG pretty much takes all the fun out of it, I hope you don't do it :(

<< Comment #940 @ 11:59 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #937

agreed 100%
Quake2 railgun is nice.

<< Comment #941 @ 12:04 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #940

I really, really, hope they don't nerf the damage. A fire delay is a perfect skill additive in this case, because you then really have to predict the movement, it's not insta-hit. All the people talking about dmg lowering pick it up from CPMA team, who, in turn, made a game most similar to one that never even had RG in it, no wonder they made a fast-rate/low-damage peace of shit gun out of it.

<< Comment #944 @ 13:02 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #941

They should increase the charge/reload time only and DO NOT MESS with damage or the click-to-fire delay as in Quake 2. I really, really hate Q2's rail.

<< Comment #945 @ 13:25 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #944

Too bad, I think it's awesome :) Have you played enough Q2 to understand the delayed fire effect on it's use, get use to it, etc? Can you formulate a reason for hating from the gameplay pov?

<< Comment #984 @ 07:26 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #945

Ye, I've played enough back in the q2 days and was pretty good at it. I loved the rail but everything changed once the better game came out - q3.

<< Comment #958 @ 16:57 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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arQon - Reply to #937

"It was fine in Q2" is typical of the braindead parrot mentality that ruins gameplay.

RG was fine in Q2 for MANY reasons, including mouse technology, connections, fire delay, Actual 3D in maps, and so on. Situational factors that bear NO resemblance to the modern Q3 world.

Q1 rockets are stupidly fast, have a HUGE splash area, and do a MINIMUM of 25 damage even if they hit basically half a room away from the target. By your "reasoning", those should be in Q0 too, because "they were fine in Q1".

Enlightened yet? :P

<< Comment #960 @ 17:19 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #958

No, not really. That's not my reasoning at all. What you're saying is quite besides point. I didn't say, or even imply that "Q2 rail is fine", anywhere. I obviously meant to say what I said, there are other aspects of the weapon that can be changed.
"fire delay, Actual 3D in maps, and so on. Situational factors that bear NO resemblance to the modern Q3 world."
Yeah, and here I was, talking about the changes I'd like to see made to 'the modern Q3 world'. I wonder if the absence of "fire delay" in it could be at all relevant!
I'm saying, add fire delay and/or increase delay between shots, tune. Have you tested these in VQ3 circumstances? Can you explain how this is worse than decreasing damage?
PS
Call me a mindless parrot, I actually think VQ3 Rail is just fine and prefer VQ3, mind VQ3 and CPM are completely different games, and certain people prefer one or the other based on completely subjective criteria.
Basically, I would only want to see really small changes done to VQ3 due to universal factors you mentioned earlier, connections, mice, machines, and they need to be thoroughly tested to make sure the gameplay isn't altered at its core.

Edited by Yeltsin at 17:36 CST, 28 December 2007

<< Comment #969 @ 19:43 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #960

I dunno about adding the delay, that was q2's rail and this is q3's. However something needs to be done about it, rail abuse is running rampant. Personally i'd like to see octagonal hitboxes like in q4 so everyone stops railing 60 and lgin 40

<< Comment #985 @ 07:30 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #969

Whats so bad about that?

mice get better, connections get better and the average aim gets better, what's wrong with that?

<< Comment #1025 @ 17:31 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #985

True, but why not make hitboxes smaller and thus harder to hit, giving us more of a challenge? :) It just seems like everyone rails at least 50 now a days, kinda makes the game one sided.

<< Comment #1027 @ 19:18 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1025

Demos with you railing 50%?

<< Comment #1070 @ 14:39 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #1027

sure i have some ctf demos of playin d and railing 60+

<< Comment #1089 @ 05:33 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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rockz ' - Reply to #1070

wow, 3 rails of 5?

<< Comment #1101 @ 11:13 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1070

1v1 or it doesn't matter.

<< Comment #1105 @ 13:38 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #1101

I don't play much 1v1 it is dead as hell

<< Comment #1044 @ 06:44 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1025

Wouldn't change a thing, you'll punish the average/bad aimers, yet nothing will change for the good aimers:)(I get 45-50 shaft myself, I track the body not the side of the hitboxes:P)

<< Comment #1069 @ 14:38 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #1044

lol! it would change a lot, did you play q4 from patch 1.3 to 1.4? Don't even try to say you kept your 45 lg because no one in q4 lg's 45 anymore :p

Edited by erk-_- at 15:54 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1071 @ 14:48 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1069

but that was more the fault of the speed change :)

<< Comment #1077 @ 15:54 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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erok - Reply to #1071

Ah thanks i meant to say from 1.3 to 1.4 will edit ;x

<< Comment #976 @ 01:08 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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arQon - Reply to #960

> I didn't say, or even imply that "Q2 rail is fine", anywhere.

Actually, that's EXACTLY what you implied.

>> No[-one] asked for the damage to be lowered in Q2.

but we're in general agreement on that - we just disagree on the Q*3* RG, and even there you seem to realise that it's hardly ideal in 2008 (or even 2004) despite still being willing to defend it.

--

Increasing the RG reload does little to help VQ3 *DM* - it just promotes more +back (esp on ZTN etc) and more LG. It does at least give people a CHANCE to engage +backers while they're stuck in reload, but I expect all you'd see is a change in the particular STYLE of "laming" as players adapted.

It would probably improve CTF, but make TDM even worse on shitty non-TDM maps like DM6 and DM7 where two spawnees can ALREADY just cessfuck a player who has 100/100 and RG because they're so small/open/etc, but would probably work okay on better TDM maps like OSP5/DM14.

I *don't* think decreasing damage is the right way to go, and I never have, except that it HAD to be done in CPM because of the spawn health (which in turn meant it had to have the reload changed to compensate).
The better answer is, and ALWAYS has been, "make armor actually worth something so you CAN'T just be out-DPS'd by the retarded 7-damage MG".

<< Comment #1006 @ 10:26 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #976

>> No[-one] asked for the damage to be lowered in Q2.

First it's past tense. Second, I state that fact because perhaps it might support the idea that the gun was balanced. I don't think or mean to imply it is at all clear. Because I make a common argumentative move there to make you think that perhaps it's a cause and effect, it certainly isn't, and can't logically be interpreted to be stating that Q2 rail was, and is, fine. Hehe.
Anyway, semantics out of the way, for me, saying it's fine is same as saying it's perfect, "no obvious way to improve it", which is almost never the case. Q2 rail certainly did seem an impossible gun to abuse, being harder to use than Q3's. Don't know about present tense.

>I expect all you'd see is a change in the particular STYLE of laming" as players adapted."

Everyone can always find ways of "laming", I can't really find any form of it I wouldn't find interesting to counteract, and there is no way to actually abuse a balanced, well rounded, player.

>It would probably improve CTF, but make TDM even worse on

Don't care about tdm much, but it's hard for me to agree or disagree on your hypotheses without actually testing it out. I applaud you for having such a keen gameplay-predicting mind :)

>I *don't* think decreasing damage is the right way to go, and I never have, except that it HAD to be done in CPM because of the spawn health (which in turn meant it had to have the reload changed to compensate).

Ahh, the things we have to do sometimes!

>The better answer is, and ALWAYS has been, "make armor actually worth something so you CAN'T just be out-DPS'd by the retarded 7-damage MG".

What's wrong with lowering MG damage?
To sum things up...

I think the changes to VQ3 should be:
1. Lower MG damage (if nothing is wrong with that, or increase amour protection? Fine by me, but should test of course, I can't really tell what that would do, I've tested lower MG tho)
2. Add fire delay to RG

Edited by Yeltsin at 11:22 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #1012 @ 11:40 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #1006

Jebus do you really suggest adding random factors into weapons? Is that 'skill'?

<< Comment #1013 @ 11:45 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #1012

You can call me Jesus, but I don't. Delay isn't random. I call timing a skill.

<< Comment #1014 @ 13:03 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #1013

I don't call arbitrary variables skill.

<< Comment #1015 @ 13:58 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #1014

I don't call delay an arbitrary variable. Do you time armor?

<< Comment #1019 @ 15:43 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #1015

We're talking about putting another factor into such an integral portion of the game as shooting. Do you propose spread for rail aswell?!? Why not? There's already gigantic spread in MG. Surely hitscan is overpowered when you can hit exactly where you aim at instead!

<< Comment #1020 @ 16:04 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #1019

Are you pretending to not get this? How fucking stupid are you not to understand difference between delay and spread? No, this isn't a new, or even a FACTOR. Holy shit, there is already delay to everything, god save us!!! And NO. I'm not proposing to add spread, because first, thats fucking stupid and second, it would no longer make RAIL a long reload, one shot, infinite distance, powerful weapon. if you haven't tried it, get Q2 demo, otherwise fuck off, you stupid, annoying fucktard.

Edited by Yeltsin at 16:09 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #1024 @ 16:52 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #1020

Played q2 and delay ruins everything thx.

<< Comment #1100 @ 10:52 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1020

the q2 rail still striking bone-shaking fear into the minds and bodies of the people who are used to needing little to no effort in hitting rails, what did you expect.

as long as arqoon has nothing to do with this i'm sure it'll turn out fine.

<< Comment #1023 @ 16:23 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #1019

wow, you're an idiot.

<< Comment #1016 @ 14:14 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1014

I don't call delay an arbitrary variable. Do you time armor?

<< Comment #1018 @ 15:42 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1016

CHCHCHCHCAIN BREAKER

<< Comment #1022 @ 16:22 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #976

Armour is worth something, just because it works differently / more simple doesn't make it worthless.

<< Comment #1049 @ 07:21 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #976

Lowering the damage to 90 in Q4 along with lower ammo amount made quite a difference. Personally I would love to see the rail gone and replaced with a very high speed projectile weapon like UT Shock Rifle primary, but of course balanced to fit Quake Zero's arsenal. MG should be more powerfull and a pickup weapon, instead of being handed out on spawn.

Having a spawning weapon that shoots projectiles which are quite powerfull on very short ranges (like 1/4 of LG range) and decrease rapidly as range increases would be nice. Would of course need to have low enugh firing rate and projectile size that it doesn't turn the game into a spam fest for newly spawned. If they want to have a hitscan spawn weapon, then a nerfed shotgun could be a solution. The spread would make it decently powerfull when the opponent is right on top of you, but be rather useless when engaged in long range battles. IMO spawning weapons should just deter people from running up to you with RL, PG etc. and raping you with weapons that are best in close up situations, not be a decent figting weapon with almost no counter at long range.

Too much unlimited rangehitscan in DM games makes them boring IMO, since it encourages people to stay long range and just take a few shots, then run away. The big problem with the weapons in both Q3 and Q4 IMO is that you start with a one of the two long range weapons, and the other is insanely powerfull at long range (Q4 rail has been nerfed quite a bit with the hitboxes, server framerate, ammo and damage changes in 1.4.2).

<< Comment #1058 @ 11:03 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #1049

I think there is UT for people with your preferences.

<< Comment #1059 @ 11:50 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #1058

Because I feel the railgun is a relic from 200ping and ballmouse era? OK

Edit: BTW UT has more hitscan weapons for long range use than Quake 3 and Quake 4.

Edited by Erk at 11:52 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1227 @ 06:56 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #1059

...combined !
;)

<< Comment #1080 @ 17:22 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #1049

shock rifle is an instant hit weapon aswell
but I agree, making the rail a projectile weapon � la pk's stake gun would be the best solution. ever
then fire delay, lowering dmg (with distance or not), etc are nice options
instant hit weapons all sux anyway, and kind of as you said are relics of pings and devices from the last century, they all should be nerfed (especially when remaking a game which gameplay is based on computers hardware from 8 years ago)

<< Comment #1091 @ 07:41 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #1080

Weapons that hit exactly where you want them to hit are bad!! You need to rethink the concept of railgun and not go around ruining aiming and shooting.

<< Comment #1092 @ 08:12 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #1091

you need to learn to argue.

<< Comment #1118 @ 18:05 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #1092

I was merely provoking :(

<< Comment #1122 @ 18:54 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #1118

mm.. maybe I've mistaken "Weapons that hit exactly where you want them to hit are bad" for a sarcasm
anyway what's your point exactly ?

<< Comment #961 @ 17:21 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #958

yes, quake2 style railgun would be fine because that small delay before firing is clearly better than point & click.. i don't know what's to argue about here? seeing how your dev rail failed in cpm i'd take anyone's solutions over yours :P

now quit yapping and fix the damn shaft effect

<< Comment #1206 @ 14:08 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Zanno - Reply to #958

The QW rocket launcher is perfectly balanced in the face of the QW lightning gun and is also perfectly balanced against a guy with Quad and Boomstick

You're just bitter more people play QW than CPM

<< Comment #979 @ 04:59 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #937

Yeah, bring back the Q2 Railgun,
it just requires more skill,
and people are not that annoyed of getting railed all the time ...

<< Comment #1305 @ 10:38 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #937

Um... I know that works in q2, but its q3. Are u forgetting that.

What I would like to say that Quake Zero is an rly, rly fantastic name. Probably the only name that can Compare to Quake III Arena IMHO. I know its a tech name, but is it that bad to keep it?

<< Comment #938 @ 11:15 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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wata

translate the game into chinese korean and japanese, then you'll get 10 000+ players

<< Comment #939 @ 11:49 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #938

and latin languages xD

<< Comment #942 @ 12:12 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #939

which will scare them all away again

<< Comment #955 @ 15:13 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #938

Tutorials MUST be translated to all languages possibles (yeah, specially japanese, korean, etc, you want those fuckers to learn strafejumping too). Ingame content (Player almost dodged Player's rocket, announcer sounds, map names, etc etc) MUST be kept in english to stablish a standard, just like Starcraft in Korea (they use english name units, buildings, etc). And honestly, sounds ridiculous in other languagues.

Edited by nemecel at 15:17 CST, 28 December 2007

<< Comment #959 @ 17:11 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #955

you forgot to add "or QZ will fail"

also what about Severitah??//slashomg

<< Comment #943 @ 12:42 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

Ability to 'cut' demos into smaller demos?
lets say you've made an awesome frag you want to share with your friends, you 'cut' it out of the demo(ofcourse not breaking the demo, losing no date) so you get a demo file of just that awesome frag.

<< Comment #946 @ 13:39 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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acidreign - Reply to #943

A la Halo 3 you mean, right?

You know, as much as I have a like/hate (not to be confused with love/hate because quake is my only love) relationship with Halo 3 that game got a lot of things right when it comes to community features.

id would be well served to check out the features it offers such as: Theater Mode, matchmaking, voice chat which includes the ability to mute annoying dicks, stat tracking, easily downloadable content, friends list, ability to send your friends your little cut up ownage demos like Terifire mentioned, in-game notifications of when your friends are online (which can be turned off obviously).

In my opinion those features alone are enough to make Quake Zero a success.

<< Comment #948 @ 13:44 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #946

Ironically, I was gonna write 'like halo 3' :P

<< Comment #952 @ 14:44 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Dhillon

Look at warcraft 3 Battle.net or GG Client

- In game lobby chat channels (irc)

- friends list

- Win / loss stats (linked to a central website ie

<< Comment #962 @ 18:15 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #952

"friends list" sounds way too gay tbh

<< Comment #977 @ 03:12 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #962

how manly of you to point that out innit

<< Comment #981 @ 05:03 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Dhillon - Reply to #977

Basically ID should look at battle.net and GGC and see where they are going wrong

<< Comment #983 @ 06:30 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #977

yep

<< Comment #1200 @ 09:31 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (212.71.13.125.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) - Reply to #962

but quakers are gay

<< Comment #1203 @ 10:37 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1200

never , quakers are the epitome of awesomeness blablabla etc etc

<< Comment #1021 @ 16:13 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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xoji - Reply to #952

Q3 comes with Mplayer, shame Mplayer it went down the shitter because at the time that was awesome. They need to develop something similar to that. They need to make it easy for people to talk to others, get a game started and or join a game. Mplayer had this and it was quite simple to do all.

<< Comment #954 @ 14:52 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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zmongo

Czm smooth criminal for official soundtrack

<< Comment #956 @ 15:22 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #954

Settle for Sandstorm and I'll see what I can do.

<< Comment #957 @ 16:53 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #954

Haha, who needs Sonic Mayhem :)

<< Comment #964 @ 19:16 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Lysis

movement tutorial so even a console player can learn what strafing is, and come to appreciate the depth that can be had with keyboard + mouse first person shooter gaming.

<< Comment #965 @ 19:24 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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If they do keep track of stats, I hope we have an 'opt-out'. I really don't want people to see how much I suck at playing. =)

<< Comment #966 @ 19:28 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Lysis

with quake 4 ID and raven said Single Player games with vehicles are what gamers want - i don't know how right they were, to me i doubt it sold well enough to prove their point -

ideally ID goes for a game that has actual depth of gameplay, yet at the same time makes a real effort to make it as accessible as possible so new players can learn. If the game is too esoteric, not enough new players will join in.

would also like to see ID offer games as a download, so when great games like q3 are off the store shelves, they can still be easily downloaded - ID could make money this way easily because there are people looking to buy the game who don't know where to go for it. After payment just email a cd key and offer download of the game.

<< Comment #971 @ 20:28 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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acidreign - Reply to #966

Steam has nearly every id game made available for download.

<< Comment #968 @ 19:36 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

Anyone suggested openAL and eax support yet?:P

(Getting new soundcard on monday :D)

Edited by Terifire at 16:34 CST, 2 January 2008

<< Comment #1003 @ 09:30 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #968

Aye aye !

<< Comment #1216 @ 16:25 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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fojji - Reply to #968

Just leave out the silly amounts of occlusion.

<< Comment #970 @ 19:45 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

1000 before new year.

<< Comment #972 @ 20:43 CST, 28 December 2007 >>

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erok

quad core support for the super demanding tech3 engine!!!!!!

<< Comment #978 @ 03:16 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Add real antilag/lag compensation!

Neil Toronto's freely available Unlagged Q3 code has been used to great effect in other tech 3 games. For example, Wolf ET's ETPro.

A competition FPS shouldn't make players guesstimate random network noise. The absence of lag compensation in quake 3 is a hideous barrier to entry for new online players.

When introducing some friends to quake 3 and 4 earlier this year, they reminded me just how high (and pointless) the barrier is. Even with CPMA's cg_laghax, it doesn't compare to games with proper antilag. They don't want to sink the time to learn to manually adjust for network latency, so they play only CS and ET with me -- I can't say I blame them.

Edited by blankline at 03:42 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #987 @ 07:35 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #978

Have you noticed how most ETplayers has either 50, 100, 150 or 200 ping?:P

its rare to see someone with a ping lower then 48 in ET

<< Comment #1002 @ 09:28 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #987

Sounds like sv_fps 20 :)

<< Comment #1004 @ 09:33 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1002

Yep:)

<< Comment #992 @ 07:53 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #978

you cant really compare hitscan only games with games such as q3 as far as netcode goes for obvious reasons

<< Comment #1131 @ 04:05 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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blankline - Reply to #992

Very true, but expectations for response on projectile and hitscan guns are different. For example, nobody cared that the panzerfaust in ET (one of the few projectile guns) wasn't antilagged. I think the same would ultimately go for RL/PG/GL. I'm only suggesting antilag for hitscan weapons.

Also, antilag is a tricky problem in general. Although Unlagged is pretty good, I think it makes some design decisions in favor of HPBs that it shouldn't (e.g. the "shot around a corner" scenario). Still, it gets a lot of the gruntwork done so that tuning can start immediately, like the ETPro modteam used it, so I thought it bore mention.

Either way, it seems like Quake Zero will be aimed at Internet players. And my post is ultimately totally selfish, because my buddies are expecting antilag as a "standard feature" now, like power steering or antilock brakes.

<< Comment #980 @ 05:01 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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cyronix '

what about making the gl a 2nd fire option of the rl?

<< Comment #986 @ 07:31 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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xgo - Reply to #980

lol

<< Comment #988 @ 07:37 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #980

Nades are mainly used for spamming, or getting someone out of a specific area, making it a 2nd fire option on the rocketlauncher would mean there would be no switch time, engouraging spamming even more.

Good thinking, but I don't think that RL+GL is such a good combination:)

<< Comment #1057 @ 10:43 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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zealot - Reply to #980

that's actually a great idea to reduce spamming if it's done like in qw (not as a second firemode but both weapons sharing the same ammo).

won't happen though :|

<< Comment #989 @ 07:41 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

How about;
cg_rocketcolor
cg_grenadecolor
cg_plasmacolor
(cg_shaftcolor?)

for example cg_rocketcolor "1" red rockets,
cg_rocketcolor "none" normal rockets without any brightskin

-EDIT: Just like vq3 :D
(And no gimmicky view swaying like q4 had by default:P)

Edited by Terifire at 16:42 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #991 @ 07:49 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #989

Also, no delay as you move left - right - left - right , as soon as you press right, you go right, as soon as you press left, you go left.

no pls dont, not another q4. ;/

<< Comment #993 @ 08:03 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #991

Whats wrong with what I suggested? personally I don't like the 'braking' thingy whereas when you moveleft, then stop moving left, you 'slide' a bit further.

Bit more responsive couldn't hurt right?

ps: I'm not talking about the anoying sound

Edited by Terifire at 13:12 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #994 @ 08:06 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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m4z

lowering the fire rate of the railgun is very bad bullshit- it almost killes the rail in infight-situations while the rail-campers can do their things as they always did.
it just makes the railgun much more to a camp-only weapon.

i would like to see the railgun doing 99 damage so that you wont get killed with 100 hp (only health).

<< Comment #995 @ 08:12 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

cg_drawgun 2 for no gun swaying(I hate a shaft animation that swings from the left to the right etc.)

gun positioning, like cg_gunoffset, but with presets like "left, right, centered, hidden(centered, below screen, like in the screenshot))

Would like to see a 'fat' railstyle as seen in a lot of fragmovies.

Also perhaps new weapon models?:D be creative(but not as creative like q4 quakeworld's weapon models where simple and awesome).

Tankjr:D or something similair(can't believe nobody mentioned those models:<)

NOTE: gun is not fully centered in the screenshot, but it's pretty damn close:P

EDIT:

Perhaps a juggernaut gamemode as seen in halo2?:P
You kill the juggernaut you become the juggernaut, what advantages the juggernaut gets is up to the server admin(g_juggernautPU "quad" or smth).
Not really a competitive gaming mode, but it can be fun at times:P

Attached Image: 61882-2007_12_29-15_27_07-441.tga (1440KB)

Edited by Terifire at 08:34 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #996 @ 08:59 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #995

they need to leave the weapon models alone, they are fine.

<< Comment #997 @ 09:00 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #996

#1000

<< Comment #998 @ 09:05 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #996

check the mozaik defrag vid, You've gotta admit that that rocketlauncher skin looks awesome:)

<< Comment #1037 @ 04:16 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #998

I'll check it out.

<< Comment #1000 @ 09:14 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #996

you could have come up with smth better to be able to make the #1000 post ;P

<< Comment #1036 @ 04:16 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1000

yeah very true, I just saw I was 999 and just grabbed the fucker. May edit it if I can be arsed.

<< Comment #1043 @ 06:42 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1036

I was constantly refreshing to get 1000 post, didnt want to be lame and get post 998 999 and 1000:<

<< Comment #999 @ 09:10 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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zmongo

Dont know if someone allready spoke about this, but moviemaking tools would be cool, like q3mme ( or whatever it�s called )

edit : ok it allready has been requested

Edited by zmongo at 09:18 CST, 29 December 2007

<< Comment #1001 @ 09:16 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire

How about the alias thingy in quakeworld and q2, so you can create your own commands?

<< Comment #1005 @ 09:55 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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McFly

Can anyone tell me when about this title is expected to be released?

Thanks.

<< Comment #1007 @ 10:32 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #1005

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1478234#pid1479805

<< Comment #1009 @ 11:00 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Nicky

anything constructive been said yet ? :)

<< Comment #1010 @ 11:03 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1009

A lot:P

<< Comment #1011 @ 11:06 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #1010

ah good, didnt want to have to read it :D

<< Comment #1026 @ 18:43 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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scoop

** a matchmaking system like halo3 on xbox live or something compareable with blizzards battle.net. **

automatically find players of same strenght and rank. a ranking system and a fun ladder etc...

it would benefit the comunity so much more than a missing railgun or adding a chaingun.

<< Comment #1033 @ 03:01 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #1026

matchmaking systems are for n00bs, m8.

<< Comment #1034 @ 03:03 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #1033

o.k. it won't hurt :-)

<< Comment #1028 @ 20:31 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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Troll

Is this ones of those threads where we suggest stuff which has been suggested for the previous eight years and never gets implemented? If so Syncerror, just look up some of my past posts, over the last eight years.

Honestly, what percentage of these community suggestions ever get implemented, never more than 1% in id software's history.

There is no god.

<< Comment #1035 @ 03:04 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1028

ruiner

<< Comment #1032 @ 23:28 CST, 29 December 2007 >>

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nymz

Movement of Quake3 cpma,
Quake3 Maps,
Not high graphic stuff that low computer can't run the game.

<< Comment #1038 @ 06:03 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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m4z

add to to all projectiles your own movement speed- it would boost them which is good cause hitscan weapons are going to be too dominant- look ra3 which has become rail/shaft arena.

<< Comment #1047 @ 06:51 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1038

Have thought about this myself, but aiming with rocketlauncher would actually become way harder as the projectile speed wouldn't be constant, it'll mess up gameplay and prediction:)

<< Comment #1052 @ 07:30 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #1038

So your solution to two weapons beeing way too powerfull is making another weapon way to powerfull? Rockets moving at 1400-1700UPS would be near impossible to dodge unless fired from well outside shaft range, because of the splash. If they where to balance this feature out, it would ruin the rocket launcher when standing still since it would move 320-750 ups slower. Fixing the real problem instead of adding new ones is the way to go. RA3 exaggerates the problems since you spawn with every weapon while in a map you can to quite an extent balance the weapons by limiting ammo, hard to get placements, making certain geometry etc.

Edited by Erk at 07:31 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1054 @ 08:15 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #1052

Not to mention, it would ruin most of the Q3-style trickjumping.

<< Comment #1056 @ 10:39 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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outlaw

.

Edited by outlaw at 17:11 CST, 14 November 2010

<< Comment #1063 @ 12:27 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #1056

What would you suggest? Some set level of splash going through the brushes?

<< Comment #1066 @ 13:06 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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hydra - Reply to #1063

damage thru floors :)

<< Comment #1117 @ 17:50 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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T-B0N3 - Reply to #1063

afaik they fixed this in warsow by making the rocket explosion abit higher above the ground.. although this ofc gives other problems but it could be worth a try.

<< Comment #1068 @ 13:07 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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MAKO

What a job for SyncError, if he takes on board half of these suggestions we'll end up with a right Frankenstein game!

Look forward to it!!

<< Comment #1078 @ 16:01 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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ix - Reply to #1068

id don't realise what an asset they have in someone who cares about what the communuity thinks.

<< Comment #1073 @ 15:13 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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m1ndphuq

-Fixed shotgun spread pattern.
-Simple/2d item's same size as the 3D items they represent.
-The ability to have servers automatically record (multi-view)demo's of games that are played on it and allow players to download them from the server if they choose to.

Edited by c0ld at 17:23 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1082 @ 18:13 CST, 30 December 2007 >>

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They won't be changing the gameplay -- from what I've been told. So all these suggestions for gameplay 'tweaks' are waste of time. Let the modders change the gameplay. Let's just have VQ3 exploit-free, cheat-free, and with feature enhancements.

SyncError, please confirm that no gameplay changes will take place.

Thank you. :)

Edited by escapedturkey at 18:30 CST, 30 December 2007

<< Comment #1084 @ 04:32 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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d4rk

-registration system versus fake nick :S

<< Comment #1086 @ 05:26 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1084

It's a free game, so you'll probably be able to register as many accounts as you want anyways.

<< Comment #1088 @ 05:29 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1086

bleh :(

should probably refresh before making a comment :/

Edited by noctis at 05:31 CST, 31 December 2007

<< Comment #1103 @ 12:34 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1086

probably, but you should only be able to make a name once.. meaning if i registered naymlis no one else will be able to register naymlis, and the only ppl that will be playing as naymlis is me and anyone else with my password.. so it will reduce faking as someone else a little bit

<< Comment #1128 @ 21:21 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Erk - Reply to #1103

Kinda sucks when you've been using a nick for 10+ years, and someone else registers the nick before you. Account name limiting is fine, but limiting ingame nick is not.

<< Comment #1143 @ 10:04 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1128

They should do early registrations before launching the game so the fans reserve their nicknames before the masses. Maybe also reserve in advance the names of the most famous players so they don't get stolen.

<< Comment #1144 @ 10:18 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Erk - Reply to #1143

Nicknames should never be reservable in MP games, and any game that does so will most likely loose players since people are forced to fakenicking ingame.

<< Comment #1147 @ 10:42 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1144

It works well in many, many games.

<< Comment #1149 @ 11:10 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Erk - Reply to #1147

Which FPS game has it worked well in? It is needed in a persistent game, but not in a game where people join lots of different servers. There are lots of people who have the same nickname but never play on the same servers or in the same region.

People who are used to playing with eachother on the same locations will recognise eachother by nicknames, which will not be possible when people are forced to change names because you suddenly let one guy get the ownership of a nickname. Also who's to decide who is more deserving of owning a nickname? Would be hilarious if Cooller or Fojji would have to fakenick during a tournament cause someone registered their nickname. Just because someone is famous, doesn't mean that they have more right to a nickname.

<< Comment #1150 @ 11:43 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1149

BF2, ETQW and CoD4, for example.

<< Comment #1152 @ 12:08 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Erk - Reply to #1150

Never bought full ETQW, but you could swap nickname as you wanted in the beta, only account name was persistent which is the way it should be. Never bothered with BF2. Was planning on buying COD 4, but if you can't swap nickname in that game then I'll skip it.

Edit: A friend of mine said he could change his nickname if he wanted in COD 4 so afaik that doesn't limit nicknames either. So that only leaves BF2. Steam, ETQW etc is the way to go with persistent accounts, but free nicknames.

Edited by Erk at 12:23 CST, 1 January 2008

<< Comment #1154 @ 14:06 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1152

You can't change your nickname in ETQW, you can only change your clan tag.

CoD4 I just checked and I was wrong, you can, you just can't ingame.

Anyways, I agree with you: the Steam system is the best, but I also understand people who want to reserve their nicknames.

<< Comment #1087 @ 05:29 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1084

multiple accounts :E

<< Comment #1090 @ 06:33 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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-Matchmaking system, and clan system like battle.net. Also add an experience point system like battle.net, this gives an extra reward element, and makes matchmaking easier.

-Tutorials for which explain all gametypes, and movement. The movement tutorial has to be crisp clear. Which means visibles keyboard keys and a voice explaining what and how and why they are doing.

-Make the game in as much languages as possible. You want atleast English, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, French, German, Itallian and Russian.

-Make a UMOD type of extension for installing Mods/maps/demo's/everything

-Nice Library for demo's. Where you can pick demo's according to date or tournament or player.

-Maybe even an integrated WaaaghTV like system. It would be cool if demo's are stored on a central server where you can just pick and stream a demo as you wish.

-Please DO add advertising to the game, but not integrated in the maps, rather add ads to the menu/scoreboard. Oh and let the ads download while being in the menu. Unlike in steam games where ads get downloaded while being in-game, which is giving hitches. And when adding ads, rather get some brands and not the google-ads kinda meaningless stuff.

<< Comment #1094 @ 09:36 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #1090

adds could be seen when map is loading too

<< Comment #1096 @ 10:01 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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1ecb61110 - Reply to #1094

Everywhere, except duriing gameplay, while I even think there are nice ways you can actually intergrate it into the maps. Just don't paste a banner somewhere in the map.

I wouldn't mind it if there were like bulletin boards in-game which show actual banners. Even better would be if the banners would be editted to fit with the texture theme of the map.

And no "haha, i'm blocking your view ads" which you can't click away or something.

But, indeed, YES to ads, I'd like to see that great potentials and innovative idea's like this, be profitable for the innitiators.

Just look at MMORPG's, blizzard is/was very profitable, and all of a sudden dozens of MMORPG's popped out of nowhere, I hope this will initiate the same for the DM FPS genre, or for games which make good e-sports.

<< Comment #1093 @ 08:47 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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runge

To be able to force min ping in client, some conns, like mine, are crap and makes ping fluctuate, so it would be really nice to force a min value to reduce fluxuation.

<< Comment #1193 @ 03:54 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #1093

Use a bit of positive nudge ;)

<< Comment #1208 @ 14:21 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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runge - Reply to #1193

That doesn't reduce ping fluxuation :P

<< Comment #1097 @ 10:27 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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revoN

I guess it's more an idea for an external tool and could be applied to other quake games (and dunno if anything like this exists or was attempted before) but it would be nice to have the ability to create multiview demos by combining individual pov demos from the same match/map. Like, add some markers in the demo so the game/tool knows how to combine them. It would greatly improve the spectating experience imo.

And maybe add support for Q3 demos (or a way to convert them to Q0 format). Of course I'm assuming that maps from Q3 would work with Q0.

Edited by revoN at 10:41 CST, 31 December 2007

<< Comment #1098 @ 10:34 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Jazka

More or less this and :

-NO random hit/spread/knockback including mg and sg. spread or knockback coule be ok, but random will never be. Randoms principle just should be banned exept for spawn like the cpma system --> you just hit 100% where you shoot or know where the bullet will go, we must just deserve 100% of the result.
-Hitboxes that perfectly fits with models = not like q3 for exemple. per-pixel hit or visible client hitboxes with or without visible models are possible solutions --> you just can see 100% of what is shootable (not 99 or 101).
-totally custom GFX = possible no effect, no texture and so on --> 100% of non informative stuff could be cleared.
-straff jump + AT LEAST one more movement skill to masterise like rampjump / doublejump / slide ... --> when equal life : skill + aim must still be > than position + aim
-No total air control nor any instant switch. --> prediction > reaction at first encounter
-prediction weapons > instant hit weapons --> close combat must be the aim
-No railgun
-At least no 100dmg railgun --> no 1 hit 1 kill instant hit weapon
-No powerfull weapon at spawn = for sure < than the q3/q4 5 dmg mg, more like d3 (best game ever imho) or q2
-No decreasing life at spawn --> respawn "nude"
-D3 berserk (because close combat + cry to hear it), fist (close combat), barrel (interaction), plasmagun (see below), teleport (no flee), breakable glasses (interaction), lifts > pad (more prediction, more skill imho), asking Megahealth (more teamplay to keep it than random jump on it to steel it)... no shit, D3 was a base to be the fucking best DM game ever ...
-Very specific weapons (= not like q3 where weapons are way too much balanced any situation). exemple : D3 plasmagun very slow but with very high knockbak, q3 shaft for tracking but low distance and no knockback, SG very powerfull at close range but non random spread very high, kind of nail gun with nail warming with distance so more power/speed at large range tahn close etc
-no double weapon mod like ut, not more than 9/10 weapons, no bfg like.
-map dedicated to the gameplay, no copy/past remakes. At least 10 specific maps per mod.
-no stupid mods spreading people like buying weapons, instacft etc : TDM / duel.
-SDK, TV, gamepause, demo, teamlock, brightskins... at release.

/me in going to reinstall DOOM3

Edited by Jazka at 10:37 CST, 31 December 2007

<< Comment #1102 @ 11:17 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1098

D3 was terrible and so are your ideas.

<< Comment #1113 @ 16:49 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Jazka - Reply to #1102

Sure, let's go looking some of yours :

How about some more colors for names (cpma) and proper display in log? More rail colors would be nice, too.

Perhaps some more rewards like Q4.

Thanks to find mines terrible. Really.

<< Comment #1119 @ 18:10 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1113

My ideas are practical and don't involve gameplay modification. ID already said that they weren't messing with the core gameplay. Learn to read.

<< Comment #1124 @ 19:46 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Jazka - Reply to #1119

I praticaly loled.

<< Comment #1108 @ 13:48 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1098

Terrible. Doom 3 was only good as a single player game, forget it.

<< Comment #1114 @ 16:54 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Jazka - Reply to #1108

D3 was wasted by big lacks. I just say he had some great thing and ideas, lacks or not.

<< Comment #1120 @ 18:12 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1114

What did it HAVE besides poor gameplay, terrible netcode, stupid per-pixel hit detection, a terrible graphics engine, a buggy sound engine, terrible singleplayer, and no playerbase? Oh wait, nothing.

<< Comment #1125 @ 19:47 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Jazka - Reply to #1120

You obviously don't deserve more reply :)

<< Comment #1126 @ 21:11 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1125

Whatever, kid. I bet you wish you had people to play D3 with. It's okay, let the tears out.

<< Comment #1161 @ 15:09 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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erok - Reply to #1098

"when equal life : skill + aim must still be > than position + aim"
you don't consider being able to position yourself with an advantage as part of a players skill?

<< Comment #1242 @ 18:19 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Jazka - Reply to #1161

"when equal life : skill + aim must still be > than position + aim"
you don't consider being able to position yourself with an advantage as part of a players skill?

sure, but i was meaning "move" > "static". :) The move should give a plus, the contrary of realistic games where to mot move give the plus (lower spread). Of course, this without items position questions.

Edited by Jazka at 18:20 CST, 3 January 2008

<< Comment #1099 @ 10:41 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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tom

just dont listen to most of these comments and im sure it'll be fine

<< Comment #1104 @ 13:21 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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juvenile delinquency

i dun care how the game/play will look like as long as it has a descent netcode unlike the bullcrap of q4
i'd rly love to experience an unlagged netcode just like in ET:QW without peer-to-peer ofc
cpma netcode would do fine too i guess but it would nice to play without a major ping advantage
instant shots for ze win, can't take this ~1-sec-latency-release of the actual shots after u clicked mouse1 anymore :/
k
thx
b

Edited by g1zmo at 14:23 CST, 31 December 2007

<< Comment #1106 @ 13:46 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Quake Zero, bigger than Starcraft. Soon.

<< Comment #1110 @ 13:49 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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nemecel

Oh btw, just in case I forgot:

-No retarded stutterings with high end computers.
-No retarded freezing/crashes with high end computers.

Thanks.

<< Comment #1111 @ 14:02 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1110

yes, cause these are a matter of choice

stfu already

<< Comment #1115 @ 17:00 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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lolograde '

Make the gameplay as FAST and FEROCIOUS as possible.

&

And classic gametypes: DUEL, FFA, TDM, CTF, NTF, maybe even take a good hint by Warsow and add RACE out of the box.

<< Comment #1116 @ 17:03 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #1115

And in regards to all the tutorials stuff. That's non-sense. The best tutorials will always be user-created. Waste of time, imo, to see developers busy themselves making an in-depth tutorial.

Maybe something akin to the Hazard Course in HL1, but nothing beyond that. No need to get excessive.

<< Comment #1121 @ 18:14 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1116

Technically, it already exists:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=485602530153341227

<< Comment #1123 @ 19:07 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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wata - Reply to #1121

imo genesis way to explain circle/straf jumping is badly done, it sould be way more simple (it should not use this accel bar in the hud, at least not for a complete beginner who would react like "omg it looks soooo complex ! not a game for me, desinstaling)
it should look as simple as a street fighter tutorial

<< Comment #1127 @ 21:13 CST, 31 December 2007 >>

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vedic - Reply to #1123

I agree that it is a bit poorly designed, but it's on the right track. On-screen key display should be built-in so newbies can use it to watch demos.

<< Comment #1129 @ 00:08 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Iyonesco

Above all else Quake Zero needs a ranking system to match players of equal skill in duels. The primary factor stopping the growth of the Quake duel community is the fact that new players will be absolutely destroyed in every game, often by margins of 50-0 or larger. It takes many months of practice before a new player can compete with more experienced players in fun and competitive games but most give up before they ever reach this level. The result is that duel communities are inherently small and naturally decline further in size as players stop playing until eventually the game dies entirely. Without a ranking system players never get to experience the thrill of competitive duels and will therefore never gain an understanding of the immense skill and strategy involved in Quake. Until rankings and ideally matchmaking is added Quake will forever remain a niche sector of gaming and will never take off as a popular hobby, a competitive sport or a spectator sport.

KartRider provided a perfect ranking system where players have to compete in 30 races at the Beginner level before they�re allowed to play in the next skill rank.� This allows new players to enjoy competitive races against similarly skilled opponents and get the satisfaction of winning some races while they hone their skills.� After graduating to the next skill level players can still play in the lower skill divisions so casual players can continue to enjoy fun and competitive games without being forced to play at a higher skill level, while those who want to test themselves to the limits can progress up to the highest skill level and play against equally dedicated opponents.

A similar system would be ideal for Quake Zero but is not possible due to one key difference; Nexon provides, and therefore controls, all the servers for KartRider while Quake servers are provided by the community with no central control organisation. This means the exact same approach to ranking is not possible but there are two alternatives I can think of, one being easy to implement the other would require more effort.

The best solution would be a Quake Zero account system where players must register an account to play the game. The results of their games are recorded allowing them to be ranked against other players. This would make it easy to find players with a similar level of skill so casual players who play infrequently can enjoy competitive games against each other while extremely dedicated players can find opponents who will provide them with the level of opposition they desire. I would love to see this solution used by sadly id has always shied away from account and ranking system, though I seem to remember they considered it for Quake 3.

While an account system would be the preferred solution there is a very easy to implement alternative that I believe would be effective - add a simple skill level console variable (say sv_skillLevel) which players would set when they joined a duel server to indicate their level of skill from 1 (new) to 5 (very experienced). This setting would show up on server browsers so players could look at the current sv_skillLevel setting and easily find opponents who are at an equal skill level to them, ensuring all games are fun and competitive. The default value should be 1 so it will be set correctly when a new player joins the server who is unaware of the skill command. This setting would solve most mismatch problems, though there remains the possibility that new players could join a server which the current players have set to sv_skillLevel 5. However, this problem would resolve itself as the first time a new player did this the players on the server would give them an explanation of the sv_skillLevel setting (along with a torrent of abuse knowing how most Quake duellers behave).

The current system where new players end up playing highly experienced duellers simply doesn't work and it isn't fun for either the new player, who will lose every game, or the experienced player, who doesn't get the level of competition they seek. A ranking system is essential to allow players of all skill levels to enjoy Quake duels as well as to allow Quake to grow as a hobby and as a competitive sport.

<< Comment #1133 @ 05:01 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #1129

Good idea.

I think you could also add a variable for a server,
like "skill [value]" ... that only allows to player of a certain skill to join.
I think it could be also a problem for a highskilled player,
that people with low skill want to play against him ...
on chess servers, it is easy to find people with a lower rating than you, but higher or same rating gets very difficult ...
there are even people who only want to play against people with a higher rating than them ... this actually destroys the community for me ... but chessclub.com found a nice solution, they just randomly pair players of a similar skill to each other ...

<< Comment #1145 @ 10:35 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1129

your second solution won't work :
players can't accurately rate their skill unless having knowledge of all the players scene, and moreover players often lie about their skill anyway

<< Comment #1134 @ 05:55 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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User1067

Rename the project as "Quake3: Arena for free", so people know what to expect.

<< Comment #1135 @ 06:33 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1134

QuakeFree: Arena

<< Comment #1138 @ 07:47 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #1135

I loled :d

<< Comment #1497 @ 10:07 CST, 28 January 2008 >>

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bab - Reply to #1135

i fink it is good name

<< Comment #1136 @ 06:52 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

By

........

VQ3 movement with CPM double and ramp jumps (good horizontal restrictions but with added verticle options)

RL as the strongest weapon (less emphasis on hitscans)

100h fast spawns, 75 dmg RG (max spawn time 3s)

weak spawn weapon or stronger armours (preferebly the latter; makes for less cess and better TDM)

no ramdom dmg/spreads (vq3 SG for instance; it sucks)

weapon drops in TDM & CTF, flag drops in CTF (coupled with weaker spawn weapon makes for better TDM)

quad quad (eg: taking PU's > camping a room)

The first 5 would be enough for me really, all 7 would be awesomes.

<< Comment #1146 @ 10:42 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1136

is the concept of double jump the same than in ut (add a jump on top of a jump) ? if yes, it totally sucks ass.

<< Comment #1151 @ 12:06 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1146

no.....

<< Comment #1153 @ 14:04 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1151

what's the quake's double jump concept then ?

<< Comment #1155 @ 14:16 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1153

You gain height by doing two jumps in a short period of time. Usually it's done on ledges or stairs.

<< Comment #1163 @ 15:30 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1155

naymlis seems to have a different concept, involving speed gain
which one is true ?

<< Comment #1170 @ 16:07 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1163

both

<< Comment #1156 @ 14:17 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1153

you basically jump after you jump on a box/stair/ledge (double click/jump) and you'll go higher/faster.. you can't just double jump in the air like ut. how can you not know this? :\

<< Comment #1157 @ 14:22 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1156

because that's a q2 feature afaik and I've never played it
sounds like a shitty feature, as the ut's double jump

<< Comment #1159 @ 14:52 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1157

they added it to cpma, and it's probably the best movement feature in any quake game (q2's, not cpma's).. i don't expect you to agree without playing with it ofc

<< Comment #1160 @ 14:56 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1159

double jumps in q2 can gain you alot of momentum as well as height.. you should really watch some top q2 players play on edge (like purri) to see how it is and get some sort of feel for it

<< Comment #1162 @ 15:29 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1159

could you describe the concept more precisely please ?
I don't get it with "you basically jump after you jump on a box/stair/ledge (double click/jump) and you'll go higher/faster" (this is how I understand this sentence : you jump on something, when touching its ground you jump again and so gain height (obvious) and speed ? looks weird)

<< Comment #1164 @ 15:32 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1162

no i cant explain it any better, sorry.. i suggest you just watch a good player or even try it yourself

<< Comment #1165 @ 15:39 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1162

this is the only video i found online with a quake 2 double jump.. i wanted to find the ammobox to yellow armor or chaingun stairs to yellow armor on edge but im bad at googling or there isn't one out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhAhePWwf7k

not a good jumper but you should get the general idea now.. you can keep your momentum after a double jump by strafe jumping

Edited by naymlis at 15:39 CST, 1 January 2008

<< Comment #1167 @ 15:52 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1165

on some part of this vid, the guy seems to jump on something, kind of wait (making some small straffs maybe) and then do a long jump as if he got already 1 or 2 strafjump momentum. is that the concept of double jump, keeping speed momentum even after having stoped to move forward ?

<< Comment #1168 @ 16:03 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1167

no i don't think so.. which jump are you talking about? the second to last? he double jumps on top of something, then waits a second (just positioning himself).. then he just strafes on top of the doorway across the room..

you only get the speed with double jumps if you strafe jump right after you land after a double jump, if you stop.. you lose your momentum.

<< Comment #1169 @ 16:05 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1168

double jumps dont always give you speed tho.. its usually done just for the height (as most of the jumps the guy in the vid did) but you can do it to start a strafe jump run to get more speed than just a circle jump if done right.

<< Comment #1171 @ 16:20 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1169

your explanations are confuse, I still don't get it
so far I'll stay with "it's a kind of double jump which work only when touching the edge you wanna catch", some kind of "q3's ledge catching manually done by hitting jump"
dunno if it could be interesting
btw I wonder if q3's edge catching is gonna be in q0

Edited by wata at 16:28 CST, 1 January 2008

<< Comment #1178 @ 17:51 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #1171

doublejump demo cpma 1.44 on cpm4

Attached Demo: 61922-doublejump.dm_68 (51KB)

Edited by fjorgyn at 05:13 CST, 2 January 2008

<< Comment #1180 @ 17:59 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1178

say again ?

<< Comment #1194 @ 05:38 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #1180

yes sorry, i wanted to edit the demo in (did it now) but the post wasnt approved for an hour or smth so i went to bed :)

<< Comment #1198 @ 08:32 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1194

thanks =)
looks a bit like a kind of ramp jump in a way ; seems cool

<< Comment #1221 @ 20:02 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #1198

In CPM, if you jump and then jump again within 400ms (just under half a second) you get a height boost on the second jump which allows you to travel further obviously since you'll be in the air longer. Ignore all this box shit, all jumping at a box/stair does is allow you to jump twice within the required time frame (also jumping then going through a tele then jumping again lets you do it).

<< Comment #1223 @ 20:28 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1221

he just wanted the basic concept of a double jump (in quake2 and cpma).. not the specifics of the cpma's

<< Comment #1172 @ 16:23 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1159

Totally agree. I never really liked Q2, but its double jumps are great and, if I'd have to choose one movement feature to be added to QZ, it would be double jumps.

Make it happen SyncError!

<< Comment #1174 @ 16:54 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1172

and you, could you describe the concept of double jump ?

<< Comment #1175 @ 17:17 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1174

what don't you understand..

<< Comment #1177 @ 17:35 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1174

I can,

A double jump is performed by jumping a second time within 0.4(cpm only?) seconds after the first jump.

Normal physics and movement still apply, so your second jump can't just be in the air, it has to be from the floor(or any brush you can stand on).

This can be quite usefull on stairs, remember that, in vq3, when walking on steps, when you jump you catch onto the next step, keeping you on the floor? With double jump, if you jump again after getting 'stuck' on a step up, you jump higher, tho as far as I know, you don't necessirly jump faster, it might seem like that as you have more lift speed, for extre speed at double jump, you have to jump once, get 'stuck' or get back on te floor again, ten do a circlejump as the second jump.

Thats about it, also I have to add that you can also use doublejump thru teleporters, you jump into a teleporter, and you get out of the tele exit on the floor, if you jump again within 0.4 seconds, you perform a double jump.

So quite basically, jumping within 0.4 seconds after your double jump, gives you more vertical lift.

<< Comment #1179 @ 17:57 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1177

ok I see now (I didn't played much vq3 and this problem doesn't appear in q4 since there is no ledge catching in it), indeed climbing stairs in vq3 is an issue which should be fixed
if I get it right there are two solutions :
-keep q3's ledge catching and add the double jumps thingy
-remove q3's ledge catching
personally I like ledge catching so far, but I have not much q3 experience anyway to know which faults it could bring too

<< Comment #1185 @ 19:51 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1179

q2 has the best stair jumps imo :)

<< Comment #1181 @ 18:06 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1174

Just download Q2, Warsow or CPMA and try for yourself.

<< Comment #1182 @ 18:19 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1181

try what precisely ?
if it's climbing stairs I just did it in vq3 and I know it's not fucked up that way in cpma or q4 and I guess q2 or warsow too
if it's something else, describe it please ; I can't do something I've no idea on yet

<< Comment #1188 @ 20:28 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1182

Just jump onto a ledge, jump again as soon as you reach it and you'll feel what a double jump is.

<< Comment #1196 @ 06:48 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1182

http://www.speedyshare.com/989342530.html

2 avi's with doublejumping, sorry for the bad blur it's because of the low fps(30)
hopt its still clear enough, just quickly made this with mme and a movieconfig:P

Hope this clears things up for ya.

edit: 28 mb in total

Edited by Terifire at 06:48 CST, 2 January 2008

<< Comment #1199 @ 08:46 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1196

thank you
with fjorgyn's demo I now understand what's going on in your videos
what I understand is : if you jump right after a ledge catching (being a "air ledge catching" or a "ground ledge catching") you got a height bonus for your jump

<< Comment #1137 @ 07:15 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by outlaw at 17:12 CST, 14 November 2010

<< Comment #1184 @ 19:38 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #1137

weapon drops in tdm just promote poor awareness. go play some tdm w/ cpm players and then w/ vq3/q1 players and you'll notice a big difference in teamplay.

<< Comment #1197 @ 07:30 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (host86-152-245-107.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) - Reply to #1184

Agree, down with weapon drops!!!!!!!

<< Comment #1139 @ 07:53 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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bud

*CPM Armor System
I dont want a plasticbag as an armor (vq3)

<< Comment #1140 @ 08:38 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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dadS

something like small items but changes the health skin to a bland colour with the amount of health on top (seen it in qw). Would help learning maps etc.

Maybe something where you can access the map details. So a pop up comes up with all the item respawn times.

Maybe a training mode that has a timer, that flashes up something like RA in 5secs etc - to help noobs to learn to time.

Maybe you could have different textures sets for the same map. Say a pretty ones for speccing/q0tv then gaming textures that are bland.

<< Comment #1141 @ 09:26 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Terifire

Improve bot dodging, so they dodge like a human player would.

Or make one bot aim really well, make one bot dodge really well etc.

In general, make the bots actually usefull to practice things as aim against.

Also, brightskins as seen in q3 osp and cpma would be awesome, so you can set the color of the upper body and the color of the lower body.

<< Comment #1142 @ 09:41 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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zmongo

We need Techno Viking as a model

Edited by zmongo at 09:41 CST, 1 January 2008

<< Comment #1219 @ 18:55 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1142

and crackwhore

<< Comment #1148 @ 10:48 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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mbc

I've heard every conceivable argument from every different Quake player on why it should be like their game, still waiting from Tewic for UT.

and I like UT99, plz don't flame lolol

Edited by rift at 10:52 CST, 1 January 2008

<< Comment #1248 @ 04:54 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1148

we need vehiclaz and every weapon double-action AND OFCRZ HOVERBOARDZ !!

<< Comment #1158 @ 14:52 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Sub_

National flags next to players' names will solve language problems and add to the excitement.
Also have a documentation on how to get the game smooth (high fps, correct refresh rate etc..), many people get sick real quickly when things aren't set up properly.

<< Comment #1166 @ 15:42 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1158

"Also have a documentation on how to get the game smooth"
just having 3 cfg presets (lowest, medium, highest) in the ingame menu would do fine ; nobody rtfm

<< Comment #1183 @ 19:16 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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Sub_ - Reply to #1166

well yeah, but simply having graphics on high doesn't make the game smooth/easy on the eye since everybody has different setups (think crt/tft, different screen resolutions..)

<< Comment #1187 @ 20:06 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1183

do you actually want r_displayrefresh being part of the menu options ? cause I don't see any other factors which would give a "sick" feeling than a low framerate (that's why the "lowest" cfg setting thingy), or a low refresh rate (mostly 60hz) on crt monitors
but isn't giving to "non-power PC user" the ability to change the refresh rate of their monitor to unsupported rates a bit dangerous for the safety of the monitor in any way ?

<< Comment #1195 @ 06:29 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Sub_ - Reply to #1187

have a warning next to it ;) and most monitors don't break if you set a false refreshrate once in a while, they'll simply go back to something they can handle.

<< Comment #1173 @ 16:44 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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zmongo

Anti-Cheat system
If you are going to develop this game to a potentially big crowd, this feature becomes a must

<< Comment #1189 @ 20:31 CST, 1 January 2008 >>

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How about portals and jumppads that react to projectiles like in Quake 4. (rockets & grenades go through portals and up jumppads)

<< Comment #1190 @ 00:11 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (d75-155-123-241.bchsia.telus.net)

CPM movement feels very smooth and is my favourite style.

Movement tutorials should be interactive if possible and based on practical DM maps instead of race or trick ones. Most race/trick maps are a lot harder than DM maps.

Gamemodes should be demoed with tips on how to play them, maybe have a very in depth tutorial for a specific map in each mode that gives away the tricks of the trade for the up and down player. I didn't know that q2dm1 could be played as a duel map until I watched one of the quakecon matches on it.

Low Quake 3 ish system reqs are a must for the game to have lots of casual players just pick up on it.

Match making shouldn't be mandatory but it should be present for players to find adequate competition. The ranking of players should be done in a way that isn't based on hours played like most console games do for their ranking systems measuring total points or wins. To put this in perspective, six months after the game has been running if a pro player joins or starts a new name they should end up properly matched in a very short time period. Ideally though they could just join games outside of matching and practice without ever having to stomp new players.

Easy click to join for newer players, maybe even links that could be sent via IM that lead directly into a server? When I first heard of Qzero what i thought of was being able to get into a game with a friend in only one or two steps. Click to install, wait, click to join together.

GUI options for most settings with suggestions for players. If brightskins and forced models aren't on by default a quick explanation of why to use them should be in the menu to set them up in.

Make it easy to find the best servers. dedicated servers with the default(have good "default" settings) settings should stand out from ones running weird rules or listen servers.

Have a new mode inbetween CA and others for beginers. 10 minutes for duel or 20 for tdm are a long time to play when you aren't very good. You could have 5 minute duel, or copy hoony mode, or do something else similar for fast turnaround and learning.

Going with the above, allow multiple matches on a server at once or have "active" spectating so someone can pratice jumping around while waiting in queue.

<< Comment #1192 @ 01:08 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1190

good suggestions

<< Comment #1191 @ 00:38 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Force updates? Do this for "Quake 5" too, so we don't get a super split community. D:

<< Comment #1201 @ 09:53 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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tartaros

No fancy models for weapons. Rocket launcher must be a stovepipe, like in q3.

eg: http://www.outfitterssupply.com/images/WCS155-156.jpg

ps: Fast and light gameplay is the first goal. Stick to it.

<< Comment #1249 @ 04:56 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1201

thats more like doom1

<< Comment #1204 @ 12:23 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Terifire

Improved demo handling.

New demo browser, with an interface similair to the challenge-tv.com layout.

Subfolders, ctf matches automatically get recorded to ./demos/CTF tdm to ./demos/TDM etcetera.

Perhaps show the demo lenght too?(easy to see wich demos had overtime)

<< Comment #1205 @ 13:52 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Nicky

this turned into a useless spam thread yet?

<< Comment #1209 @ 14:31 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1205

Now it is :)

<< Comment #1210 @ 14:35 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

By

Thank you everyone for the comments, suggestions and feedback.

I have been keeping up with all of the posts as they have been made and will be wrapping up my need for this particular thread in a few hours. In about a week I will begin a new post asking for some more specific and focused feedback. Until then, keep posting if you like but soon I will have compiled the current 1200+ posts into some sort of datablob for us to throw into the blobblet stew. nom nom

<< Comment #1211 @ 14:42 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1210

Dont forget the Techno Viking model

Cheers

<< Comment #1212 @ 14:49 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1210

cool, looking forward to the new post

<< Comment #1214 @ 15:12 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1210

Would like to see a list of all the things you will most certainly add with that post:D

<< Comment #1218 @ 17:45 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1214

so we can whine to hell and back :D

<< Comment #1215 @ 15:15 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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xgo - Reply to #1210

a dev blog would be nice

<< Comment #1220 @ 19:46 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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m1ndphuq - Reply to #1215

Agreed! More ways they can keep our attention allow us to hype this game up the better.

<< Comment #1217 @ 16:46 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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escapedturkey - Reply to #1210

Let's just hope that all the gameplay change requests have been ignored. =P

<< Comment #1222 @ 20:15 CST, 2 January 2008 >>

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Liam - Reply to #1210

I LOVE YOU SYNCERROR WANT TO BE MATES?

<< Comment #1233 @ 11:51 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1210

Just wondering, how do you shift through all the the posts. As they are from all sorts like qX fanboy's, then there is the hardcore q3'ers, people from the past, newbs, etc. A hard job.

Or is it just the case of, if you like an idea and can implement it, you will go with it.

<< Comment #1234 @ 12:19 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #1233

No, its more like opinion polling of nationwide trends. =p

Like I could spurt out (a falsity) that the game will contain only one model, that model will have one selectable sound set and will be textured with the same colors as many of the standard wall textures.

Most people would probably freak out.

That tells us that even if some wouldn't mind, for the most part we probably should include brightskins and some model diversity.

In general I try to not put out any information, accurate or inaccurate. I find it just as easy to do the job by asking what people hope to see in the game. Compare those desires to what we have or what we plan, when ideas conflict we can look at whether we want to alter what we're doing slightly, or when a new idea pops up we can consider it for addition.

It's not like we have a list of ideas and the decisions sway on what the forum says. But at the same time, what the forum says can make us take a step back and say... we really should have a greater focus *here* or *there*.

It's not just hard to please everyone, as you know its impossible. The best we can do is try to make the most solid game we can -- and if we can also listen to everyone at the same time all the better. You don't have to implement the suggestions word for word for them to have made a positive impact. The best example of that in the past couple years would be with Quake 4. Prior to 1.3 most players felt that the game was too slow. If we had made our changes according to the polls that existed on this site, we would have increased the player movement speed from 320 to 350. That is not the solution we implemented. Instead we increased the player acceleration making it easier for the player to turn, react and move about the map. This made the player "faster" without increasing their actual movement speed -- and did the job.

In the end, its about understanding the problems more than it is about reading the solutions. I try to discover what problems your desires are attempting to solve, and then we determine if we wish to address those issues and then choose how to do so.

<< Comment #1241 @ 18:15 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1234

Thanks for the explanation.

<< Comment #1257 @ 12:40 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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exp! - Reply to #1234

the main question i have now is the following:
at quakecon2007 id software announced that a new team was employed for this project.
what did they have done until now? have they implemented the new graphics or are they just working on the website?
it would be nice to know what they are working on.

<< Comment #1293 @ 16:57 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Automaton - Reply to #1234

I have a suggestion for an anti-cheat mechanism. It may be untenable due to the wide range of hardware and software used by modern computers, but as a general idea I found it interesting. It would likely require very close control over the system resources used by quake.

There is a class of cheat programs that work as stand-alone "hooks." They run separately from quake, and certain information filters through these programs before being sent along by quake to a server. Regardless of the methods these programs use to actually work, they must take a non-zero amount of time to do so. My suggestion is: would it be possible to detect or infer this latency under some circumstances, and if so, could this be used as a method to screen out properly functioning from improperly functioning quakes?

<< Comment #1311 @ 00:25 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #1293

Someone incorporated ogc into the blue-pill rootkit?!

<< Comment #1225 @ 06:13 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Keep air movement same as CPMA

Rail damage 100

Keep weapons in the Quake vein (no superweapon considering Quake is typically 1v1)

Keep quick weapon change (ala CPMA)

Seperate tourney maps - i.e. Tourney maps should be tested by pro players, have no quad damage, be balanced (unlike the unmodified version of Q3-DM6), etc - These should be the most likely to be chosen for competitive play. And then have other maps which can be played 1v1 or FFA or TDM.

Little tutorials for movements or at least sandbox maps to try to learn - possibly with highlighted zones that show what is possible (red squares to red squares - possible with Rocket Jump, Green to green - possible with strafe jump, etc.)

Practice game modes / maps (single or multiplayer) � Have maps that can be played to improve aim, movement, etc � Played �noghost� mod on The Longest Yard map � really improved my rail aim by the end of it�

Detailed tutorials for HUD customisation and configs

Automatic update notification

In the thread it was stated (by dadS � credit where credit is due) to have pretty // bland textures depending on if you are spectating or playing � this is important (for competitive play and advancement) as potential sponsors want to show off their products / be associated with stylish games and the problem is that players reduce all details to mush :) If there was an option for spectator play, players could view as they wanted but the game could be broadcast in full detail / graphics capability.

Keep it �easy to play but hard to master� and avoid the movement complications of Warsow � that went a bit over the top

<< Comment #1226 @ 06:46 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Furore

a really solid movement tutorial would be awesome..
it would have a feature a bit like a defrag HUD, i.e a strip on the screen telling you where to point the cursor to accelerate, and which strafekeys to press, and when to jump. It would show you a demo, and let you practice with lots of live feedback.
What makes learning strafejumping so hard is you have very little feedback bar actually accelerating, and even then it's hard to know how to refine or improve the technique; and to begin with it's virtually impossible to know wtf you're doing.
The other thing is having a nice bot/single player experience... even though Q3 SP was simple, it's still very fun. I know a lot of my friends who still play it, but they don't play online at all (but they might well do, if there was a more support and a newer community). Anyway my point is SP draws people in, because online play is so daunting, it lets them explore the game and grow attached to it. A lot of it is just time spent playing. The bots should be robust enough to satisfy competitive players too, more like 100.cpma bots than nightmare bots. (I know you want to get people online, but paradoxically I really think bots would help this. A matchmaking system where you play with equally skilled people is also going to help this general problem of getting people online)

P.S: on a side note, the "movement complications" of warsow are great for some (it's what I play), but I think everyone agrees that doesn't fit the brief of QZ; which should be stripped down and "classic".

Edited by Furore at 06:48 CST, 3 January 2008

<< Comment #1228 @ 07:54 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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m4z

dont release qzero at the moment wow: wolk releases because this piece of a shitgame is eating all the playercommunity with his 9-million player base... i hate wow for that and i am sure that wow is the reason for many many games dieing in the last few years.

<< Comment #1229 @ 09:12 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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wata

my turn, some being copypaste from previous posts (unaltered or not), some being new

tutorials :
keep them simple, diagrammatic ; the less words the better. put them also in the tutorial rooms as textures (but no words, just diagrammatic in order to keep it universal)
give recorded demos of all beaten tutorial rooms
tutorial rooms should be : strafe halls room, circle jump gaps room, max speed room (a very long straight line ; where a bots race could also be set : it's cooler to judge your progress competiting with bots rather than just watching an ups meter). rocket jump, grenade jump and plasma climb exercise rooms. plus rooms for all new movements which could feature in q0. and a big cool freestyle room where all these tricks could be practiced.
add a defrag mod with a few maps (with at least one aimed to beginners) to enjoy the recently learned special movements and use them to compete/play with other players. "ghost option" (players cannot shoot at each other neither collide) should be votable
give rewards, it keeps newcomers attracted : new skins, new weapon models, etc (anything which doesn't affect gameplay) when beating tutorials rooms ; unlock a difficult defrag bonus map when beating all defrag maps

menus :
serverbrowser in which anything can be filtered in/out checking boxes
hud editor powered by drag & drop
per weapon sensitivity
tie config to account : log into a pc and your cfg is set too ; option to load/save configs
fov option
picmip option or similar
have an "ingame rendering" preview window in the system setup menu for constrast/brightness adjustement (and details settings, as much as possible)
High resolution crosshairs (old ones still available though). a lot of them. per weapon editable crosshairs, and each one color-editable. adding/making custom crosshairs should be possible and easy
weapon on right hand, left hand, or center ; per weapon nodraw option
promod options : forcemodels, brightskins, crosshair hit-blinking, hitsounds
warmup, timeouts and such "serious match options" possibly enabled by server admin (off by default)

demo watching :
easy demo watching : double click on the file and it's launched, autodownload working
demo pause, rewind, fast forward, slowmo
description (who vs who, when, where, etc) ingame and in the filename

spectator mod :
keep it clean from too much informations preventing pleasant spectating (e.g. no need to have the name of the player I'm following in big and flashing in the center of the screen : put it in a corner. or the eventual "click left mouse to switch players - click right mouse to go free flight cam"'s sentence should not appear at all while spectating, but in the menu when pressing esc while being a spectator : it's something I have to learn once, not everytime I spectate)
items timers from q4max for gtv spectators

rewards :
make new ingame rewards (reward for killing flag carrier, for air grenade, air rox, etc)
make them not appear in the center zone of the screen, but a bit more discreet
option to disable them (their sound, or graphic, or both)

have a bindable ingame chat box ; have the mouse scroll wheel working in it
option to turn off ingame chat lines
chatting still possible while server is loading next map

good ragdolling, it's as fun as gibbs

make a longer shaft for nodraw LG with large fov

octagonal hitboxes, as a wish

no ingame advertising ; in the menus, while loading next map, anywhere but not ingame

gameplay (onoz ze drama) :
make shooting projectiles through teleporters a mapper's option, and sending grenades off of jump pads possible
voteable weapondrop
dropable on death power-ups, especially quad
grenade bouncing a bit more than in q3 would be cool imo
ramp jumping (I hope q0 won't miss a vertical movement which requiers skill, this one being the best imo)
no useless bfg, unless you change its concept (e.g. a one shot weapon respawning like a PU and hard to aim. dunno, something) for ffa fun
tweak all instant hit weapons according to actual hardware (connections, optical/lazer mouses) : nerf rg, mg (increase its spread, or make it a kind of sg), lg
a feature to turn efficiently while stafejumping : aircontrol or crouchslide, or else, anything

mods :
duel-tourney/tdm/ctf/ca/defrag/ffa
suggestion : as Clan Arena already has specific physics, please make it also have specific weapon balance in order to make it less hitscan weapons dominated. this mod could be improved, and imo should
maybe it's also time to reinvent ffa, imo it's the less attractive of all mods ; it's also the easiest mod to modify since it has no real community and moreover no competition commmunity at all to go against changes. find a way to make it evolve please
for the "maybe new mod" suggestion, I too will go with UT99-style domination or q4's deadzone (same concept basically, but the player need to carry an on-death-dropable artifact found elsewhere in the map to validate the domination of the zone). they have good fun and strategic basic concepts with potential, which need to be a bit improved, and need to have very nicely done maps
don't bring arena ctf, or nerf/balance runes ; this mod is an unbalanced pos mod in q4, played by non-strafejumpers players (and it doesn't encourage to learn strafejumping since there is this scout rune). but just don't bring it

make a good ranking system to have an efficient matchmaking system
if you release a public ranking, I suggest to make it by classes instead of unique numbers to prevent brainless competition (e.g. have 20 classes from "beginner" to "pro" passing by "middle skilled" etc.. and not "I'm the 253 best q0 gamer" which kind of make no sense)

weapons, physics and maps should be playtested by a few well chosen known players in a private beta
when the game will be released it will be like a beta test for the rest of us ; I hope you won't be afraid to reasonably slightly modify the gameplay within the first weeks of feedback (I find it good that blizzard still search the perfect balance of its games even after years of patching ; fortunately fps arn't as complex to balance as rts)

one of these things is missing out of the box and the player base is efficiently reduced :
movement tutorials, efficient matchmaking system, gtv, forced updates, redirected autodownloads, bots, ingame menus traduction in non-latin language (korean, chinese, japanese, russian), defrag mod
and if not out of the box, an anticheat should appear asap

don't release it until q3's eswc 2008 is over
take the time, make it polished on release

Edited by wata at 10:12 CST, 3 January 2008

<< Comment #1232 @ 11:44 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1229

can you doublejump yet m8

<< Comment #1240 @ 17:34 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1232

ye I've understood the concept and how to reproduce it on simple ledge
but I'm not able yet to perform this kind of pixel jump
I've also learn something else for sure : "fucking pb lags" (I know how to turn it off, but on the moment I had it on in my cfg.. jeez this shit should not appear in q0)

<< Comment #1245 @ 19:21 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1240

pb shouldn't get anywhere near q0 if they have any sense

<< Comment #1231 @ 10:40 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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mnemjc

If not already posted:
a good anti-cheat program..if q0 becomes more popular there will be more cheaters.. (more players - ruthless community), don't wait till the community (evenbalance) brings his own anti cheat program.

<< Comment #1235 @ 14:03 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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I am sure this has been mentioned already, but i dont bother reading 1200 replies here.

To make this game a success you need a really good matchmaking system, pretty much like warcrafts battle.net, where you can choose in some kind of menu which format and map you want to play ( 1v1,2v2, 4v4 etc.) and then the system searches an opponent for you on your very skill level, this way its guaranteed that a skilled player gets his competition against an equally skilled player and the new players do not get steamrolled by some hardcore oldschool quake players and unistall the game right afterwards.

Another thing might be some kind of automatic system which automatically downloads all updates, patches, mods needed right away, so you dont have to look for all these files by yourself.

It s really important to make this game more newbfriendly than the previous quake titles or we will never get a big community.

Edited by candyshopper at 14:09 CST, 3 January 2008

<< Comment #1236 @ 14:23 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (host86-152-245-107.range86-152.btcentralplus.com)

OK here is an small idea largely based on a few of the requests for UT99 Domination.

In UT99 Domination you have a series of capturable "runes" which give you point for every second your team is in control of it. With a slight bit of tweaking I feel this could be the perfect way to train new players how to play and understand TDM.

Firstly the Runes need to be put in areas of importance, for example on pro-q3dm6 you would have one at the red armour area. Now it should give a point per X seconds the rune is under the teams control but also a boost to the points they get for a kill (Maybe, this could make it too imbalanced and a team will dominate the points too easily...). Quad/BS could also act as portable runes and give points as well as the traditional powers they give.

New players would soon pickup that controlling multiple important areas such as the RA/RG and sharing the items amongst the team gives a large benefit and that working as a team to get the Powerups is important too.

Now while all of this seems obvious and simple to the mass majority of us if anyone remebers their first time playing TDM or has seen a new player who has never played DM play it then they'll know that it isn't quite so obvious and the tendency is to just go for kills.

Call it Trainee TDM or something!

<< Comment #1237 @ 15:35 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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fazz

i want a weapon that gives more dmg for flickshots, the faster/wider angle you flick the more % dmgbonus. Might work out shitty and imba but might aswell be new and nice IF the algorithm for calculating the dmg is solid. Which I can't help with ^^

All idea's is good idea's ��

<< Comment #1250 @ 05:00 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1237

well... imo that would be extremely gay.

<< Comment #1269 @ 19:16 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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revoN - Reply to #1237

It would favour people with certain sensitivities only.

Edited by revoN at 19:29 CST, 4 January 2008

<< Comment #1317 @ 16:30 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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fazz - Reply to #1269

no it would favor people who can hit hard shots :p

<< Comment #1320 @ 21:43 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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revoN - Reply to #1317

The difference in speed may be ultra small but higher sens = faster flick shots. Maybe just specify parameters for a flick shot and everything above those values would get the bonus damage you speak about. No need to turn it into an RPG ;)

<< Comment #1238 @ 16:58 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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ra4man

I wish Quake Zero would be easy for all to pick up and play.

It sounds like this is one major area ID is trying to focus on when making this game.

If your going with making this game free with the idea of Revenue coming from Advertising, the I think the gameplay features should be as simple as possible.

One of the main reasons I believe FPS games don't take off is because there are way too many of them. One game can have many different variations or MODS..

If one FPS can become dominant, and catch the attention of some of the non FPS gaming crowd, then I think Quake zero will succeed.

Some of these ideas were mentioned. but these are the most important ones I believe should be taken into consideration

1. Ranking system. (so newbies know what they wil be up against)
or maybe Rooms like in Yahoo games.
Beginner, advanced, Expert.

2. Minimal versions of gameplay.
DM, CTF, Rocket Area or clan arena
Keep it simple Don't do too many vairations. Too many get to confusing... and redunctant..

3. All physics, weapons, ammo, starting health.. etc should be the same in all gametypes.. DM, CTF, RAzero.

<< Comment #1275 @ 07:32 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #1238

Clan arena sucks ass

<< Comment #1288 @ 14:48 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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ra4man - Reply to #1275

DM sucks ass!!! Only people with skillz play CA or RA..
DM is about control of map.. RA and CA is about pure skill....

<< Comment #1308 @ 16:07 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #1288

zzz

<< Comment #1313 @ 07:51 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #1288

lmao

<< Comment #1383 @ 06:28 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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stelamfanboy - Reply to #1288

hahahahaha

<< Comment #1392 @ 10:10 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1288

I plussed you, not at all because I agree with you, on the contrary;
but you made me laugh so hard, made my day, cheers!

<< Comment #1239 @ 17:16 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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m4z

give a try to a new weapon (a "pistol) which shoots a bit faster than the shotgun and has porjectiles flying double as fast as plasma projectiles, doing 50 damage anddamage/over time)
give plasma a very little freezing effect ( wouldn't disturb the balance i think with 5% lowering rate or something) it would be so cool and smashy when you freeze someone and kill him with the rail, the opponent SPLITS around in a thousand pieces of ice.
try to bring up some gameplay powerups which boosts some thing like Movement speed or gives the chance to do some new cool stuff ( dont know something specific right now).

make crouchslides possible, but not on every material only on ice or some other sorts .

i would like to see the shaft doing maxdamage on maxrange and doing less damage on low distances to make it weaker in infights..

try some gamemodes ( even for 1on1) where you can choose some 3 new "races" like protoss zerg terrans on starcraft i think this will give a huge feedback not only in the hardcore fps community as also addict other players to the game.
i think the games will develop in that right way like you can see in the succes of ET:QW or ( best example) counterstrike.

last thing will probbly not come with Qzero but you can check it out now if it is realistic to create something like that for the new quake arena....
just some brainstorming of myself...

Edited by m4z at 10:19 CST, 4 January 2008

<< Comment #1243 @ 18:33 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Jazka

I forgot :

at least projectiles through teleporters if no-D3like teleport where u can't go and come + at least grenades on jumppads especially if there is no lifts but jum/bumpad

Drop weapon for a gameplay based on item + specific weapons + teamplay.

Edited by Jazka at 18:45 CST, 3 January 2008

<< Comment #1244 @ 18:48 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Saq

So I read a lot of other people's suggestions on here, here's some of my stuff and some things that other people suggested too.

Web stuff: would be cool to be able to look at rankings and see if a person is online or not, if they are in game you should be able to click on them and view them in quake tv. not sure how this would technically work but maybe you guys have dedicated servers that broadcast qtv and automatically attach and detach from servers based on requests to view. There would probably need to be special slots on every server so that enough qtv server streams can attach based on demand. Would be cool to go to the site and maybe on the homepage theres like most viewed server list, so if some badass match was going on you could just go to the homepage and view it. Website should have stat tracking and whatnot for ranked matches.

Matchmaking stuff: Should have a skill rating like halo3 matchmaking has? i've never played it but i've heard about the system. So you get placed with people your rank. Should let you know via onscreen message when your skill rank goes up or down. while it's really important to match people based on rank, ping should also be just as important. Maybe it could list some options within a few points of your skill range so you can pick a decent ping one. skill rating would be awesome because it's not that much fun to get your ass handed to you every game and it would give you positive feedback that you are actually advancing in your skills. There should be ranked and unranked matches in case you feel like playing but are really just dicking around.

Gamertags: maybe have unique gamer tags where all you can change is the colors and clan tags so that if you see someone you can look them up on rankings. If pros don't want to be bothered they can always make multiple accounts.

Movement: framerate independant movement but faked to match that of 125fps in q3 other than that pretty much vanilla q3 movement.

Rail & Mg: reduce dmg on rail, reduce dmg on mg

Graphics: like 3 or 4 settings that will please everyone.. 4 would be like stuff that gfx whores and people broadcasting would use, 3 would look decent and run well on most comps. 2 would be super fast and stripped down, this would run on like every computer. and 1 would be like super low picmip 5 or whatever the hell that setting is, basically a setting for the people that don't care at all about what it looks like just playability and speed. WIth those 4 levels basically there should be no reason for people to have to console tweak. Brightskins MUST be a built in menu option. Simple items as well.

Configs: configs should be tied to your online account so no matter where you log in you are good to go

In game options: there should be a regular and advanced tab for the in game options. advanced should have pretty much everything under the sun to tweak by menus. turning off bob, setting max fps, gamma (btw can you fix the gamma problem already? every time the game crashes your windows gamma doesn't get reset back to normal requiring a reboot or other work around), all latency and network options in there, basically no one should ever have to edit their config manually.

maps: PRO VERSIONS of the maps that have been tested by time. ztn, dm6, etc maybe some of the better user maps from quake 4 to add some spice, you must work a deal with the awesome pro mappers from q3 to get these maps in, find a way.

AUTO DOWNLOADS FROM FAST SERVERS!!!!!!!!111 the game should patch itself automatically, noobs really don't download patches if they have to do it themselves, then your player base gets split across god knows how many patches. if you decide to include mod support, if you enter a game you don't have the mod / maps for it should do an HTTP DOWNLOAD of the required files not putting stress on the servers but on global repositories that id maintains that download FAST. not the 10KB/s server downlaods.. that's pretty much unacceptable. most people that go on are not going to go to a website and download a mod if they have to manually do it.

QuakeTV: on the quaketv side like someone else suggested in this thread it would be awesome to have hud timers, health for each player, and the score all visible for qtv viewers, it would really give people a lot of insight into the skill of a player if they could see what's going on inside their head based on life and respawns and such. you should be able to rewind and replay frtom any point, then a button to switch back to the live stream.

Training Mode: A training mode introing the user to all elements of the game, with maybe a portal kind of flavor would be pretty sweet. cover advanced stuff! strafejumping, circlejumping etc. Go from the extreme basics on up. I think if you show them that it's possible and how to do it, people will really get a kick out of learning all the tricks, even casual players, and we get more skilled opponents. I think a lot of times a noob will want to be better, but isn't going to actively seek out info on these kind of things so the easier it is to get access to the info the better. Training should cover the different types of game modes too dueling, ctf, tdm and how respawns work etc.

Game Types: duel, tdm, ctf, rocket arena clone, no ffa!

Anti-Cheat: maybe write it inhouse like valve and blizzard do if the updating and availability issues can't be resolved with punkbuster or maybe work some sort of a deal with pb so that iD runs the pb servers.

SuperAwesomeNetcode!!

Teamplay Friendly: ready-up modes and all that stuff like in OSP that those crazy pros love.

Private matches and offline lan play a must!

Maybes:

Multi-arena servers would be cool
Maybe something like the tournament mode of quake 4 so that if you are on a serv your not just sitting there waiting to play constantly.
achievements would be cool i guess

<< Comment #1247 @ 20:25 CST, 3 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (70.15.50.105.res-cmts.mtp.ptd.net)

PUNKBUSTER DESTROYED QUAKE3. DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WITH QUAKEZERO.

If punkbuster gets implemented to qz with its shitty good for nothing lag then it will ruin qz before it even starts.

<< Comment #1251 @ 08:11 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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raw

Before i read the entire comments, ill post some of my own views so they arent swayed by others thoughts.

1. Please NO punkbuster, cheat protection sure but PB has really messed up online play.
2. Please dont change the movements that much, slide jumping, insane strafing speeds etc and all the stuff that went into Q4, please leave it there. Afterall, this is going to be a rehash/revamped version of quake 3, people loved it for what it was overall and im sure modifications to that extent could have a negative impact on the game.
3. Rail hit damage should be left at 100 regardless of how much people whine and cry, its been fine for 8 years now and it certainly aint broke. Infact i would go as far to say i would leave the weapon selection/ammo/hitdamage the way it is.
4. The tournament mode in quake 4 is very good, this is one addition from quake 4 i would welcome.
5. Likewise, Teleportable projectile RL/GL/PG?
6. A few new maps would be nice but dont do anything drastic with the current map pool, pro-q3dm6 forever!!!
7. I read a guys suggestion on irc about the movement training which i think is a great idea, it would help the new players or people moving over and half of the q3 community who think they are pro quakers with 2ms euro cable yet still can't strafe properly.
8. Adding the CPMA netcode wouldnt be a bad idea, probably the most realistic/true feeling i've had playing quake over the years however i am quite fond of the overall osp mod.
9. I like the multi-arena server, ala ra3 style.
10. Q/GTV or a similar 'TV' system.

What will ultimately define its success or not is how it plays online in a public server and team environment so i think you are definitly heading in the right direction by asking for suggestions early on.

Edited by raw at 08:27 CST, 4 January 2008

<< Comment #1339 @ 12:40 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1251

5. would be the only one that I would think twice about. The style of play around teleporters would change quite a bit - Stops camping up to a point but would it lessen the chance of 'getting away' when being chased. Whether this is a good or bad thing is another matter.

<< Comment #1343 @ 02:18 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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raw - Reply to #1339

Was just something i thought could freshen up the play a bit, it was more from a TDM or CTF perspective anyhow, not that theres many maps with teleporters in for said modes.

<< Comment #1253 @ 09:44 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV

Basic Stuff:
1. No punkbuster
2. Refine the Netcode and make it use as little bandwidth as possible
3. r_greyscale (!!), good for playing and also for movie making
4. Good feedback, e.g. PK "Death Beep" and Blood+Hit Beep
5. Rewards (per match), Achievements (Over time+training) unlock extras
6. Grenades and Railgun should have a different "colour code"
7. Freezetag!!!!!!!!!!!!
8. Player Models fit into the hitbox at all times
9. Player Model Animations are simple yet distinctive
10. Bright Weapon Models
11. Bright Grenades/Rockets

Now for some slightly more subjective stuff:
General:-
1. Drop the BFG entirely
2. Drop Holdable/Useable Items
3. Add Double Jump
4. Add Grenades bouncing up Jump Pads
5. Use a good balance of Jump Pads, Stairs, Ramps, Lift/Plats, Teleporters
6. Allow Instant Respawn, and Force Respawn at 1 second (Anymore just kills the end of Duel/TDM matches)
7. Loud RG/LG hums so that position is given away and other sounds covered up
8. Do not make any teleporters like q3dm13, or ztn3tourney1's YA->Stairs
9. Adjust starting ammo, ammo boxes and max ammo
10. Remove MG, replace with a boomstick style weapon
11. Don't add projectiles through teleporters, it ended up being far too spammy

TDM:-
1. More double PU maps
2. Don't allow droppable PU's in TDM
3. Stronger PU's
4. Invisibility!
5. No Weapon Drop

The best TDM maps are q3dm14tmp, ospdm5 and cpm4.
The best Duel maps are ztn3tourney1, pro-q3tourney4, q3dm13 and pro-q3tourney7
The best CTF maps are q3wcp15, q3w3, q3wcp1, q3wcp22

So I'd like to see maps which use similar techniques to these!

<< Comment #1254 @ 09:46 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Troll

Yes, all of the above, but these things should have been implemented 6 years ago, so lets bring Quake upto par. Theres been ten years of static evolution, so lots to catch up on!

- Player profiles to include optional info.. background history, results, stats, picture, config, sponsor advert, country with flag.

- GTV that has DVR abilities, to pause live games, record, rewind.

- GTV with more features, like Sky sports, user friendly interface for shoutcaster to mark tactical spots on screen, pull up graphs and heat maps, statistical graphs, replays, etc.

- GTV virtual stadium, team up with Sony to open a virtual stadium / theater inside its home software, where as an option, you can physically view and hear the other specators, to create an optional atmosphere viewing mode.

- Persistant rewards/experience to have a healthy player base by keeping the weak minded people playing the game forever, ala BF2, WoW. Doesn't have to directly tie in with gameplay.

- More game reward shouts and rewards which can only be awarded to one player from a specific country at one time.

- Community page with built in links to popular Quake sites, GTV schedule, upcoming events, top quake movies, total online player count, etc.

- Ability to filter server browser by country flag.

- Scoreboard to include menu link to opponent profile, scoreboard to display country flag of players.

- Demo menu and GTV to have more info, date match was played, pictures of players and team logos, sponsor adverts, stats including recent form and ranking, etc, background history.

- Movement gametype, speed trial and defrag maps with regional and global rankings. (movement is the best part of Quake)

- Individual Movement and shooting training gametypes.

- Settings menu to have advanced menu tree which includes everything.

- Settings menu to have a description for each setting, accompanied by video/sound to inform the player exactly what the settings does. Before and after window would be nice.

- Hitscan weapons to have power recharge, after reload is complete, they are at 50% power, but then quickly increase to 100%.

- More social stuff, i.e. be able to reccommend demos for friends in your buddy list to watch and rate, send an invite for a GTV viewing, calender to plan games with friends, clan training or gtv viewing, etc.

- Lots more clan tools, clan invite, clan creation etc.

- Lots of cool surprises.

Edited by Troll at 09:47 CST, 4 January 2008

<< Comment #1256 @ 10:10 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1254

I think you�r aiming way too high.
But it would be nice indeed, to have all those features.

<< Comment #1264 @ 17:30 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Furore - Reply to #1254

good ideas in there..

<< Comment #1273 @ 06:29 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Troll - Reply to #1264

Just the tip of the iceberg.

<< Comment #1340 @ 12:44 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1254

A very nice list!

<< Comment #1255 @ 10:07 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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m4z

no weapon drop on tdm, but please no 30 seconds weapons spawn delay it pisses me off everytime i play tdm, dont know who had this crap-idea at the beginning... its much more action with let's say 15 seconds delay.

<< Comment #1259 @ 14:43 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #1255

why no weapon drop? :/

<< Comment #1258 @ 14:11 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (78-61-8-215.ip.zebra.lt)

What I think would be good for the remake:

- CPM Features and other pro stuff like turn on\off-able brightskins and so on. Just make everything changeable, but noob-friendly by default.

-Excessive-like features ( I mean the sounds like YES|NO|w00t|, also country and so on.)

-Normal TDM\CTF binds, they're easy to do and work normally. Could also try ETQW-like menus if they aint too hard to make. Tho I think they're just too slow for q3.

-Mod Support (I still would like mods overshadowed by QZ tho, but please don't divide the comunity)

-The game must remain VQ3. No qw/cpm stuff, please. Cuz at first, newbs will just delete the game after seeing sutch "unrealistic" movement (They're CS players, remember that). And don't say it's bad for the fans, they play vq3 or just will download cpm anyway. The only changes that could be made is Q2 like doublejumps\ect - they won't ruin the gameplay, hopefully just improve it.

-Places for the community. Just make good sites for noobs, including tutorials, news, post stuff like big frag movies and tournets\ect, also link to the sites at game's folders and the game.

-Make the Ads at least not soo big and and don't add stuff like popups, they'll just kill the game.

-At first, add the best maps from all quakes and from the community:
-Q1/QW: DM2, DM3, Dm4, Dm6
Q2: DM1
Q3: DM6, T4, DM13 and so on
Q4:?
Community: Aerowalk, ZTN and so on
I think most players would prefer the ones that gonna be remaked at Gothic, not space mode.

-Normal Autodownload\ Normal host with autoshowing links to download them in game, if it isn't too expensive.

- Hopefully some new maps, OFC in Gothic.

- New models and at least remaked (with more pixels) old ones. I would luv Q4 rocketlauncher, and I hope that's not just me :)

-The ol' buggy vq3/osp-like 125fps movement, it's as good as it is.

-Good matchmaking, OFC.

-No Crouchsliding and lowered rail dmg - q3 had perfect balance as everybody said.

-Gamemodes like ClanArena.

-Rankings - newbies just love them. Preferably with stuff like what u did with what weapon\ect. Also new awards, like the ones "Impressive\ect but ones like "Two frags with one rail", "midair rockets" and so on.

-Good integration between the community\sties and the game. Believe me, that's better than good docks that nobody reads tbh.

-Good NetCode. i know that's CPMA Features, but this is rly important.

- Great spectating stuff, with news\links to the games at sites and so on.

-Some weapon changes, the only I can remind is the rly needed shotgun knockback tho... Maybe refined (bigger) rocket knockback? Maybe make plasma more usable, hopefully as useable as shaft?

-Multi OS support. Linux and OS X ppl want it to...

- RELEASE it ONLY WHEN its DONE, ppl don't like unbalanced games from the start like Q4. If its released to early it can just fail.

I think that's all... I know not all of the features are makeable, but I think there's some truth in what I recommend.

<< Comment #1261 @ 14:45 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #1258

It's me ( I just registered after posting this post), so if anyone wants to argue u can just do that via PM :)

<< Comment #1304 @ 07:16 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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Troll - Reply to #1261

"-No Crouchsliding and lowered rail dmg - q3 had perfect balance as everybody said."

Everybody who still plays Q3...

Around 4 years ago, just before all the competitive players quit, most of the community cryed out for Q4 to bring lower hitscan damage. Imo, they should all be nerfed 50%.

Edited by Troll at 07:18 CST, 6 January 2008

<< Comment #1306 @ 13:31 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1304

and Q4 became much more faster and action-filled after rail damage was lowered to 90 :)

<< Comment #1309 @ 19:24 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #1306

shaft nerf did more than rail changes...

<< Comment #1322 @ 22:01 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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revoN - Reply to #1309

The smaller hitboxes had a hand in this as well.

<< Comment #1334 @ 10:06 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #1306

all rocket rush all the time is better?

<< Comment #1336 @ 10:59 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1334

no.

<< Comment #1347 @ 10:58 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #1336

but that is what q4 has become since rail dmg was decreased

<< Comment #1351 @ 13:34 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1347

not actually.

<< Comment #1362 @ 12:21 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #1351

inet games are rocket rush all the time but on lan there are just 70% rocket rushing

<< Comment #1363 @ 12:23 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1362

no, theyre not.

<< Comment #1393 @ 10:13 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1304

I honestly don't get why so many people have issues with hitscan weapons... there are good hitscan aimers, but there are also good rocket aimers.

Both projectile and hitscan aiming takes skill, don't punish the skillful shafters for example because they are good with that weapon...

<< Comment #1260 @ 14:45 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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son1dow

BTW... What about disabling ads by entering ur CD-KEY and advertising ppl to buy q3 to disable them?

<< Comment #1262 @ 16:13 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1260

They won't make money from that:P

<< Comment #1267 @ 18:52 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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I think FFA and perhaps TDM should be replaced with something new. They are outdated gametypes.

Random and semi-random spawns should be removed. What is their purpose? Of course, on average, everyone will get the same spawns, but a few points: There are always deviations from average, and these can have a measurable effect. Even if random spawns turn out to be fair to each team, why are they preferable? It is still a very disorganized (almost maximally so) way to go about doing things.

A better method would be to design a system involving logic and free will. To this end players should be able to select their spawn points. This has many ramifications and would likely have trouble fitting into some existing maps, however I feel that basing decisions on the player, as opposed to a semi-random spawn system, will offer a greater depth of gameplay.

These thoughts are not necessarily relevant to QuakeZero, but I had to type them somewhere.

<< Comment #1274 @ 07:11 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1267

yep I also hate random spawn points. There are just better spawn points in most maps which will give players an advatage.

A good start is to let players automatically spawn at a spawn point away from enemies or near allies.
But that still is problematic especially at games with items.

Selecting your spawnpoints is a good idea and probably easy to implement. This can be done by letting the player walk around the map before a game and use a command to mark his current location/direction as one of his spawnpoints. Then you can also implement a small spawnpoint editor where you can remove some spawnpoints or (if there should be an order) change the order.

I think you can still argue about wether there should be an order or not.
An order will remove any randomness from spawns but you will have the chance to spawn right in front of your enemy which is still a bit of a random event while a spawnsystem with "random" spawns could let you spawn away from enemies.
Spawnpoints following an order will probably add more to tactics in my opinion. If you watch demos of your enemies you can better predict where they will spawn which is an advantage especially at the first spawn.

There are also some more points to this system you can argue about like the lower and upper limit of the number of spawnpoints. And there are probably also other systems besides the random or semi random and chosen spawnpoint systems.

<< Comment #1307 @ 13:34 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1267

FFA and TDM are FUN. why they should be replaced ? it just kicks every objective based gametypes balls big time, and objective based gametypes are extremely gay.

and possibility to select your spawnpoints would ruin the whole idea of quake.

<< Comment #1341 @ 15:42 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #1267

k... did you ever play quake, or are you some lost cs player that wishes quake had never happened?
How on earth can quake exist without FFA ? Players have to get aim + movement somewhere dude..... FFA is the core to all quake games :s

<< Comment #1268 @ 19:14 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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Mileena

Honestly I think Q3 in most respects as it is is a great template

Offer multiple physics variations, or at least the two big ones ( vq3 and cpm ) with their respective gameplay tweaks, etc.

Some are missing the point, as I understood this was mostly going to be a refined re-release of quake 3.

The best thing that the developers can do is look at what the most popular mods have already done, and build on that.

Match-making of course needs to be there, ranking as well, because that's what killed q4 more than anything else, the fact that old players were unbeatable to upstarts.

I also think it should be made as flexible if not moreso than quake 3 itself as a platform for modders to do their thing.

I really don't think that many features need to be added, just make things smooth and as lag-free as possible, because the last thing the game needs is annoying add-ons in the same spirit as wolf:et ( landmines, mortars, etc )

And really, I think it'd be really cool to put in crouch sliding :P

this is disjointed i know but i'm right because you all have penises

<< Comment #1271 @ 19:56 CST, 4 January 2008 >>

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stuntz

Just remembered, add a nice coach support :D like ability to time PU's with GUI and send to players and some other stuffs or even draw with the mouse like having in a mini map aka Guild Wars of Camper Stike and being able to draw on top of it or something :p dunno

<< Comment #1272 @ 04:54 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Aquashark '

an Assault-like (from UT series) or ET stopwatch team mode

CA/CTF/TDM aren't FUN for newbs.. because the defensive/offensive roles switch way too rapidly and make for chaotic games

i suggest a round-based team mode where one team attacks, other one defends.. after the conclusion of the round, teams switch roles.

<< Comment #1276 @ 07:54 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (116-130.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch) - Reply to #1272

agreed, i've never <3 ut99, but assault's still great

<< Comment #1277 @ 08:23 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #1276

I think u guys wen too far, Assault mode for Quake? That's just not rigt, itll never work. At least I think so...

<< Comment #1278 @ 09:10 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1272

How about CTFS?

<< Comment #1279 @ 09:29 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1278

yeah
maybe something with a little more extra.. like CTFS with NTF classes

<< Comment #1280 @ 10:10 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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wata

suggestion : mapper's option about spawns

<< Comment #1281 @ 10:27 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1280

I somehow don't get the difference from the same thing with just normal spawns except you could choose to play with or without.

<< Comment #1283 @ 10:54 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1281

it's a matter of probability

in this case, if you were to use "primary spawns" only, and have 4 "primary spawns" here instead of using some "secondary spawns", it could happen that you respawn x times in a raw in this part of the map

using these "secondary spawns", the server would see this whole group of spawns basically counting as one spawn, so you have way less probability of respawning in this part of the map when your last respawn was already here

<< Comment #1291 @ 15:04 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1283

ah, i didn't get that you can't respawn at the same spawnpoint two times in a row.

<< Comment #1284 @ 10:58 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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mArsch

The most important thing is to not divise the community, unifying n00bs, casual and hardcore gamers will be the key to success.
You have not to change the movement, just add some features to improve the gameplay like ramp-jump, possibility to maintain speed around a corner and so on.
For the weapon balance, just make usable plasmagun.
The design of the maps sould be simple, balanced and using the gothicstyle from q3.
Import some popular maps from the other quake series.
Include 1on1, DM, TDM, CTF (threewave), CA (rocketarena-like), and maybe an other round-based team-oriented gametype which should be very n00b-friendly (the most of those n00bs comes from other team-based games like CS, ET, BF etc.) plus an ultimate Defrag-mode and a training mode (!). Those modes should coming out with a lot of features to help n00bs making their first steps in fast-paced shooter.
Some suggestions for these features: tutorials, training-maps (+AI-controlled interaction in the map), and some ingame stuff:
"Little tutorials for movements or at least sandbox maps to try to learn - possibly with highlighted zones that show what is possible (red squares to red squares - possible with Rocket Jump, Green to green - possible with strafe jump, etc.)"
(citation: sabre0001)
A personally predilection are the rewards, you have to add some cool ones like and mid-air, combo-kill, flag-carrier-kill etc.
Now for the configs, make everything (!) modifiable but the default should be n00b-friendly. Make an ingame editor for HUD too.
What's important too is the matchmaking system with its rankings... Now listen to me SyncError ;)
buy Halo3 and play some hours, I think you'll see what I'm trying to tell you. Make the same system which's still perfect, and when you're there add their ranking-website too, where you can show/see ingame-screenshots, demos, stats, medails etc.
With all that you have to improving the netcode, adding an anti-cheat (not-PB), copying the cpma (or Warsow) bots and coding QTV (!).

I think with all the other posts you know what to do SyncError ;) let hope that you'll add that stuff. It's very important to keep QuakeZero n00bfriendly and (!) "Easy to learn, Hard to master"

Edited by mArsch at 11:28 CST, 5 January 2008

<< Comment #1285 @ 11:02 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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stripy

q4-like net_autoAdjustPrediction would be nice.

never really liked to use any prediction in q3, but the way it works in q4 is to my likening :)

<< Comment #1294 @ 16:59 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Linchpin - Reply to #1285

stripy <3

<< Comment #1295 @ 17:12 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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stripy - Reply to #1294

oi naab^^

<< Comment #1296 @ 17:22 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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I agree that it shouldn't be any advertisement adds ingame, because it will only add more problems - people will try to remake all playable maps w/o the advertisement adds, or sponsors will bitch about placement/order/neighberhood(omg there is some damn dildos right next to my pretty-family-stuff) of their adds.
Or you need to check every custom map to fit some standarts e.g. number of add-place-holders, textures and geometry being polite etc and forcing sv_pure.
Guess most people can live with actual ingame advertisement untill it is static. Some animating spinning and flashing logo will distract any player. Player will get irritated and associate his failure\death with the company.

I wonder what aspects of the engine will be remade.
I don't see a way to "spice-up" player models with md3 format and implement md5 would be too much work. W/o changing the bsp system there is no point in new map standart, thus q3 maps probably could be ported with minor tweaking via configuration files. SyncError, please shed some light here - is there any sense in map or model suggestions?

Now from questions to suggestions.
imo would be nice to have some of ut2004 commands, such as:
- OnRelease
- SwitchToLastWeapon
- pipedswitchweapon

- Simple Particle system.
Blood, shots etc. Attracts new players and very good for movie makers. Only changes the looks and have no affect on gameplay and it is not too resource hungry with resoneable particle count and without fancy physics, corect?

- Bots can be used in tutorials.
Bots teached me to use slash before commands and jump to move faster 8) Very nice idea. Guy who think this up is a genius(mr.Elusive?)
Now they can show some tricks or moves(hard-scripted ofcourse, for example movement recorded by some pros). From my experience its more efficient when I can switch and watch from 1st and 3rd person. Easier to teach newbies.

- Predefined bindable voice commands
so people can "talk" in the game even if they don't have microphone.

And most important - developers make games, not gamers ;)

<< Comment #1297 @ 17:36 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Nicky

one thing we have just been discussing on irc, how will the servers work? will players still be able to host or buy servers from GSP or will it be like other "web based games" who provide the servers? and if that's the case will id be providing servers from other locations other than US

<< Comment #1298 @ 18:38 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1297

syncerror wanted this thread for ideas and not to give infos out ;P

also this has been asked a few times already (unanswered).

<< Comment #1300 @ 00:14 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #1298

you honestly think im going to read through all that?! errr no

<< Comment #1323 @ 22:09 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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revoN - Reply to #1300

I did =)

<< Comment #1299 @ 20:36 CST, 5 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (c-76-118-91-81.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)

quake needs a purple shell, like from mario cart, so i can finally kill that bastard who always wins at ffa.

<< Comment #1302 @ 06:22 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (89-172-200-253.adsl.net.t-com.hr)

No new weapons! For movement i dont care just dont add air controle! and put some q3 maps like dm6 and t4
and game will be vgg

<< Comment #1301 @ 06:22 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (89-172-200-253.adsl.net.t-com.hr)

OOOOO I LOVE IT GREAT STUFF
SERIOUSLY CMON DO IT DO IT

<< Comment #1303 @ 06:30 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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exp!

also, it would be nice to remove the 16k size limit for cfg files.

<< Comment #1310 @ 20:13 CST, 6 January 2008 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #1303

if your config is 16k, you need to do some pruning.

<< Comment #1312 @ 02:52 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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raw - Reply to #1310

This is why they invented the autoexec feature for various config files.

<< Comment #1314 @ 08:11 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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do not decide to go and implement the crouchslide, as it is not a balanced feature of the game, and takes away from the beauty of fundamental Quake movement, which is strafe jumping.

Keep the rg dmg at 100 and ammo at 10

Start afresh with an entirely new catalogue of maps. No more cp9 in ctf, it's all been done to death, if the maps don't move forward, then the game gets stale fast.

Would like to see some good new ctf maps which are simple yet have their own identity

Include a supershotgun, like the Q2 one.

Try and revive the aesthetics of the older Quake games.

Try and achieve a light free feel to the movement.

Make sure there is no inbuilt delay into weapon fire responsiveness.

If there is an ingame server browser, put some thought into it so it is well laid out for newbs to get into the game

I fully agree, that a key ethos to the game would be to unify the Quake community.

<< Comment #1316 @ 11:17 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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zmongo - Reply to #1314

"Include a supershotgun, like the Q2 one."

Redundant

<< Comment #1315 @ 10:39 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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semtex

Just no pb please.. its awful.
Rest has been said allready :>

<< Comment #1318 @ 18:54 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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Probably q3 maps will be compatible with Quakelive(damn... "q0" is better than "ql"). Community will port or recreate it anyway, if not. So dev-team better be focusing on new maps imo.

As for some eye-candy stuff:
- FTag tweaks

right now animation of the frozen model is reset to the first frame of mellee-attack. More than 2 teammates standing right next to each other look silly and if each would keep his true animation frame(and lean if enabled) it would look cool.

When players is being defrosed they could be err... gibbed(?) to small ice peaces (someone proposed same thing for plasma). Looks neat, no need to worry about violence, easy to toggle via console\menu, no omg_it_ruins_everything effect on actual gameplay.

With simple particles model may dribble when thawing or I guess it possible to achieve similar effect even with old shader system.

That's it for now.

<< Comment #1338 @ 12:08 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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AnthonyJ - Reply to #1318

I guess you have an implicit request for the freezetag gametype then? Its not a q3 feature you know... ;)

<< Comment #1352 @ 14:17 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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dimwalker - Reply to #1338

I guess I am 8)
hmmm... or is it "I do" in this case?

Edited by dimwalker at 15:49 CST, 9 January 2008

<< Comment #1319 @ 19:38 CST, 7 January 2008 >>

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OMRomero

CPMA netcode or better! Keep everything else the same.

<< Comment #1324 @ 02:43 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

By

good maps plz :)))

<< Comment #1325 @ 03:04 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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cyronix '

the possibility for playing for money would also be cool ;-)

Edited by cx at 03:05 CST, 8 January 2008

<< Comment #1329 @ 06:38 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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Nicky

1335

<< Comment #1330 @ 06:39 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

By

Nicky

1336

<< Comment #1331 @ 06:40 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

By

Nicky

1337 \\o

<< Comment #1332 @ 07:25 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

By

xgo - Reply to #1331

cheat ;P

<< Comment #1333 @ 09:04 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #1332

couldnt resist :D

<< Comment #1335 @ 10:57 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1333

new hobby %l :o

<< Comment #1344 @ 03:20 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

By

exp! - Reply to #1331

ban

<< Comment #1345 @ 03:39 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #1344

feel free x

<< Comment #1350 @ 11:22 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #1331

without even reading all posts, shame on you!

<< Comment #1381 @ 04:03 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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primax - Reply to #1331

you are such a geek

<< Comment #1382 @ 04:38 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #1381

i know :(

<< Comment #1337 @ 11:34 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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son1dow

Nice to see this topic as serious as it is. Way to go.

<< Comment #1342 @ 23:12 CST, 8 January 2008 >>

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26671

- As I've suggested in a different thread, I think the movement systems of CPM, VQ3, and VQ4 should all be implemented together in the form of power-ups that work like Haste, except they alter the physics of your own movement rather than simply the speed of your movement. It would lead to more control-based dueling/teamplay and more diverse skill sets if each map had this sort of feature. It would also make FFA and team games more interesting as well.

- A statistical system like HLStatsX would be a good incentive for newbies to keep playing. After all, there are tons of CS pubbers who spend all day just trying to be #1 on their favourite server, so why would QL not want to attract that sort of player base?

- Try making an AI-based test to help newbies and vets alike determine just where they're at on id's matchmaking scale. This should help to avoid unevenness at first if done right.

- Implement something similar to the Gladiator rail - As I've suggested in a different thread, I think the movement systems of CPM, VQ3, and VQ4 should all be implemented together in the form of power-ups that work like Haste, except they alter the physics of your own movement rather than simply the speed of your movement. It would lead to more control-based dueling/teamplay and more diverse skill sets if each map had this sort of feature. It would also make FFA and team games more interesting as well.

- A statistical system like HLStatsX would be a good incentive for newbies to keep playing. After all, there are tons of CS pubbers who spend all day just trying to be #1 on their favourite server, so why would QL not want to attract that sort of player base?

- Try making an AI-based test to help newbies and vets alike determine just where they're at on id's matchmaking scale. This should help to avoid unevenness at first if done right.

- Implement something similar to the Gladiator rail (cg_railstyle 3).

- No space maps...please?

<< Comment #1349 @ 11:20 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #1342

no space maps?
come on, everyone enjoyed this maps when they started playing q3
+fatality needs some maps for his shoot outs

<< Comment #1357 @ 20:49 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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26671 - Reply to #1349

Well, yeah, I'm aware of that. Just a statement of personal preference -- I hate them.

<< Comment #1353 @ 14:22 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1342

- As I've suggested in a different thread, I think the movement systems of CPM, VQ3, and VQ4 should all be implemented together in the form of power-ups

get. out.

<< Comment #1356 @ 20:45 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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26671 - Reply to #1353

How is this a bad idea? I listed some rational reasons as to why I feel this is a good idea, yet you just indicate disapproval without an explanation, as if you don't need one.

Clarify, please. Enlighten me.

Edited by advent� at 20:46 CST, 9 January 2008

<< Comment #1365 @ 16:07 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #1342

- As I've suggested in a different thread, I think the movement systems of CPM, VQ3, and VQ4 should all be implemented together in the form of power-ups that work like Haste, except they alter the physics of your own movement rather than simply the speed of your movement. It would lead to more control-based dueling/teamplay and more diverse skill sets if each map had this sort of feature. It would also make FFA and team games more interesting as well.

Did you steal this from my lollerskates discussion in #promode? I had suggested (not for quakelive but a future title) that we include a lollerskate powerup that gives you a speed boost like haste, but also, naturally as you are wearing lollerskates, you could crouchslide. =)

<< Comment #1368 @ 19:51 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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26671 - Reply to #1365

No, look in the Quake 5 suggestions thread and you'll find the same suggestion from quite a few months ago. Besides, I don't idle Quakenet...

<< Comment #1346 @ 08:18 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Zonic

I have an idea, take away the railgun and lower the other hitscan weapons and focus more on projectile weapons. That would be great fun :)

<< Comment #1348 @ 10:59 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #1346

remove all weapons except the gauntlet. THAT would be fun :D

<< Comment #1394 @ 10:22 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1346

Seriously I don't get why so many people are opposed to hitscan weapons, they are fine weapons, they are a part of quake and they _DO_ take skill to aim with.

<< Comment #1354 @ 16:07 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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wata

something important for this "new-gen esport friendly fps" :

gtv should have all the players pov of course, but also an additional channel controled by the gtv admin :
this channel would show the player's pov which gtv's admin is watching, and the gtv's admin could shoutcast the match using VoIP

this way spectating a gtv would become really attractive, because you don't always know which pov you should spectate (especially in team based mods) or what's going on (especially on the pov you arn't spectating)
it would be possible to bypass the VoIP shoutcasting ; or listen the shoutcast without watching gtv's admin channel

in other words : a feature to watch a gtv looking like a common regular sport on a regular tv (beer not included)

<< Comment #1355 @ 18:09 CST, 9 January 2008 >>

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Troll - Reply to #1354

Yes, make the game uber friendly. A feature i'd like to see.. A performance meter in settings menu, which shows the estimated fps(performance) gained or lost when changing a setting. If the performance meter is at 100% then the user would know they can't get any extra performance from changing settings in menu. If the meter is below 50% then they know there's alot of performance to be gained from tweaking.

Also, take a leaf out of WoW's book. You don't need to be a mmorpg to benfit from psychology designs. Much better rewards, stats, etc, ingame and out. Have something unlock every 500 rank, perhaps models. Have tiered but random rewards for milestones, etc, give players something extra to keep them aiming for and let them keep things of value to them, without affecting the gameplay. Perhaps a seperate virtual world and/or a gamemode where these rewards can be put to good use will increase their value to the player. People look at CA and Rocket Arena as good gamemodes for mass newbie blood, but I think something so much better can be achieved.

Edited by Troll at 18:24 CST, 9 January 2008

<< Comment #1361 @ 12:13 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #1354

sth similar to hltv would be great

<< Comment #1364 @ 12:29 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1361

what different from gtv does it have ?

<< Comment #1358 @ 01:43 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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qrealka

-QTV
-brightskins
-authorization system (new console commans "login" by MYSQL fo example), or simple SQL API for mods
-html main UI (main menu, server browser, demo browser)
-md5 models, PNG icons, ogg/mp3 sounds
-IRC support
-TTF & Unicode support (to make possible chat by other languages)
-support FSAA, antialiasing
-modify q3 shader language to support CubeMapping etc
-fix r_smp PLZ!!!
-new TDM mode. for example Domination Mode.
-additional tools for tournaments (bracket system, stats parser, scorebot)

<< Comment #1359 @ 06:23 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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raw

Excuse my ignorance but this is a big thread and im not reading it all, but is there a rough eta on when to expect it? or is it to soon to tell?

<< Comment #1366 @ 16:18 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #1359

Only thing SyncError has said, is "expect it soonish". There is no long developing process, so it should be ... Soon :D

<< Comment #1372 @ 02:39 CST, 11 January 2008 >>

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raw - Reply to #1366

Good news then, thanks :D

<< Comment #1407 @ 06:02 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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HamidoOs - Reply to #1372

17 mins to be exact.

<< Comment #1418 @ 02:45 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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raw - Reply to #1407

What about now? Any news? ;-)

Edited by raw at 02:47 CST, 16 January 2008

<< Comment #1360 @ 11:42 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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NOT q4 movement! q4 movement is biggest mistake ever.

<< Comment #1367 @ 16:21 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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stripy - Reply to #1360

stfu naab

<< Comment #1369 @ 21:28 CST, 10 January 2008 >>

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wch - Reply to #1367

no u.

<< Comment #1388 @ 01:21 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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stripy - Reply to #1367

to whom ever + meh, i like diab ^^

<< Comment #1391 @ 09:17 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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eoe.d1ablo - Reply to #1388

xD

<< Comment #1400 @ 15:44 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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stripy - Reply to #1391

that dosnt change u suck u naab
;p

<< Comment #1409 @ 06:16 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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eoe.d1ablo - Reply to #1400

:(

<< Comment #1371 @ 01:46 CST, 11 January 2008 >>

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qrealka

SyncError, plz, can u fix dynamic light in Q0? (flagrunner shader, PUP shader, etc)

<< Comment #1373 @ 03:51 CST, 11 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (89-172-238-26.adsl.net.t-com.hr)

yea right....

<< Comment #1375 @ 11:28 CST, 11 January 2008 >>

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- online config
- possibility to load up someone else's config to see how it feels

<< Comment #1376 @ 20:28 CST, 11 January 2008 >>

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On the issue of spawn weapon; if Quake0 (better name :) ) is to be fast paced ala QuakeWorld or CPMA, the weapon needs to be some deterrent to an attacker because otherwise there will be far too many spawn kills and matches will turn into whoever kills first will probably win...

The shotgun from Q1 was a decent start weapon - does some bit of damage and has range, but has a reload time as a downside...

<< Comment #1377 @ 13:03 CST, 12 January 2008 >>

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fun fact: this page is already 2.5 MBs with all comments

<< Comment #1378 @ 13:37 CST, 12 January 2008 >>

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Wasted

Just make Q3 with a matchmaking system that works, an auto update system (for servers and clients) so that there is NEVER a problem to join a game.

<< Comment #1379 @ 19:08 CST, 12 January 2008 >>

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LoCK

I would love to have a Q2 ctf style in there. With techs and a grapple (techs would be dropable of course). You could at least give us an option of playing Q2 style ctf or Q3 style ctf.
Would also wish to see droable weapons and ammo. =P

<< Comment #1380 @ 21:47 CST, 12 January 2008 >>

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CAn't see why we need Q0 tbh.

I recently installed QW and its best, fatest most addictive and skilled game Ive ever played.

Just let that be totally free and you got something better than quake zero.

Kick arse!

<< Comment #1384 @ 15:03 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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I don't know if it's mentioned already, but I'd like ID Software to look at ezquake and use that in the new quake game.

One great thing is that we can have weapon priorities set and bound to multiple keys with aliases. For instance:

alias +rocketlauncher "weapon 7 5 3 4 2 1; +attack"
alias -rocketlauncher "-attack"
bind MOUSE1 "+rocketlauncher"

So if you got a RL, it will shoot with RL by clicking on MOUSE1. Otherwise, it will switch to supernailgun, if you don't have that too, then you'll shoot with the supershotgun, etc.

This can be done in a cfg for as many weapons and keys as you want. So you can basicly configure two main buttons for firing all your weapons: one key for short distance, another for long distance combat + extra keys if you want. I like this so much in QuakeWorld/EZquake, that I wouldn't want to switch to another quake anymore unless it's implemented there too.

Lot's of other nice features in EZquake, so check it out for inspiration.

<< Comment #1385 @ 19:29 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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sonic

done yet?????

<< Comment #1386 @ 20:47 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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sonic

quakezero forever by id realms

<< Comment #1387 @ 23:23 CST, 13 January 2008 >>

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mefajpE^

Less rail, more skill plz ;-)

<< Comment #1389 @ 02:44 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (c-69-247-26-66.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)

it was to my understanding that it was gonna be q3 gameplay so Im not sure what the question is..

ive seen q4 elements suggested...id just like to say no to that..theres a reason q4 failed and q3 succeeded...

crotch sliding isnt needed...nor is anything else from q4...least of all the weapons or damage or anything else...q3's weapons were and still are excellent...aswell as the armor system..etc.

bright skins and better options for better visabiity is needed though...by bright skins I mean just bright skins..no detail is needed...just make them all big green blobs for all i care..

as q3 proved... even though the game engine may offer excellent gfx we dont need them, because most of us still play q3 with everything turned off...

I cant stress this enough: LEAVE PUNKBUSTER OUT OF IT..please?

q3 has done nothing but lag and beg botters to play since that was put in it.

the tried and tested maps are fine with me...dm6 7 ztn hub...etc...
new ones will be welcomed as long as theyre good ;-)

no new weapons...q3's weapons are excellent...that nailgun and bio gun(whatever its called...spamgun..the last one added that im aware of) from q4 will not be welcome as far as im concerned...

the sound in q3 is excellent...the sound in q4 sucked hard...so dont even go there..

<< Comment #1450 @ 14:02 CST, 19 January 2008 >>

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dradik - Reply to #1389

um if q4 released the way it is now it would of been a sucess.

There are lots of good features like shooting through teleporters, bouncing nades off jump pads to fake out enemies etc. The crouch sliding does a great job of adding speed and diversity to the game. I will agree sounds were better in Q3, and Q3 had better texturing. I just think there should be some compromise otherwise your just playing q3.

<< Comment #1452 @ 19:38 CST, 19 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV - Reply to #1450

People always mention the shooting through teleporters but to be honest that is mostly just used for boring spam. They ignore the one genuine good idea from Q4, Bouncing Nades off of bouncepads.

If there was one thing I could add to QL and the rest had to be exactly like VQ3 I would that.

<< Comment #1390 @ 07:59 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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sanchi

i don't know if this has been mentioned before but i think Handicap system can be used for matchmaking. There may be an handicapped matchmaking option and with that instead of playing with opponents your level, you can play with players of any level (or the ones you would choose for ex- between lvl 10-25) with appropriate handicappes.The level difference between players may determine the relative handicaps. just an idea

btw the handicap system i mentioned is cpma promode handicap where only your weapon damage is handicapped.

Edited by SanCHaR at 08:10 CST, 14 January 2008

<< Comment #1395 @ 10:55 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1390

That's a good idea, go style. The problem would be determining how much handicap is fair, because it depends on many factors (player style, map, etc).

<< Comment #1396 @ 11:07 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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sanchi - Reply to #1395

Determining the handicap can be done during the beta tests imo. It may not be appropriate at first but the fair numbers would eventually show themselves (as long as a game like quake permits of course).

Though this doesn't necessarily be the main matchmaking system I think of it as an alternate one which will make lesser players play with and see the strategies of better players in a less "bloody" way.

<< Comment #1405 @ 04:48 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #1390

interesting idea, maybe you could even give the player that should be handicapped the option what his handicap or handicaps will be.

Handicaps could be slower movement speed, less damage given, more damage taken, lower respawn health, less armor (max or picked up) and more.

And the you give points for a certain value of a handicap and the handicapped player has to reach a preset sum so tha tthe game can start.

For example he has to reach 100 point.

5% less movement speed gives him 20.
10% less damage given gives him 40.
10% more damage taken gives him 40.

The game starts.

Of course you would have to see if it's practical that someone has to set the values every game. Cause it always takes some time and I'm afraid it would seriously fuck up the feel for the game. Cause certain jumps won't work anymore and so on.

<< Comment #1410 @ 08:20 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1405

Nice idea although I don't like changing the movement speed. Of course you wouldn't be forced to choose it but it's a more dramatic gameplay change than taking more damage or dealing less in my eyes.

<< Comment #1412 @ 12:22 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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sanchi - Reply to #1405

well changing movement speed is the same as changing the game physics so i am negative with that. As you said it would just ruin the movement and also the idea "bad player learning from good player without getting raped" . also no one wants to be slow :D

If we assume that matchmaking system will be based on player levels it could be that every level difference would be counted as %2 handicap so for a match between a noob level five and a pro level 40 the better player will have to try his very best to beat the worse one. Still it may not be that good an idea for players with that much skill difference.

<< Comment #1413 @ 12:31 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #1412

if the movement speed changes the physics would depend on whether the they alter that part of the engine, and of course if disconnecting those two is at all possible.
The general idea was just that better players genrally have better movement and they could affort losing some speed.
But hen, it was just anidea :)

I think the handicap system should always be optional and just work as a way for people of idfferent levels to play at weird times when not that many people play. All players get the "would play with handicap" - option and they can uncheck it if they want.

Anyway, I think it would be quite a difficult balancing job, so I doubt anything like this will be implemented.

<< Comment #1397 @ 11:31 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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tourist

Buy VAC anticheat! :)

<< Comment #1402 @ 00:57 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #1397

/sarcasm

<< Comment #1404 @ 03:53 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1402

I really do want QZ to have VAC, no sarcasm there.

<< Comment #1398 @ 12:50 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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Terifire

isnt there a better way to handle skyshaders then the 'my nades disapear into the sky... wich is 10 feet above me'?:P

<< Comment #1399 @ 14:14 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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dual core support

<< Comment #1401 @ 17:30 CST, 14 January 2008 >>

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linoleuM

The new Quake game needs an AWP.

<< Comment #1406 @ 05:56 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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Troll - Reply to #1401

already has something stronger, the railgun.

<< Comment #1408 @ 06:13 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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HamidoOs - Reply to #1401

How about weapon recoil? :|

<< Comment #1411 @ 08:29 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1401

as long as they don't add that snot gun

<< Comment #1403 @ 02:55 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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m4z

give a secret funmod where you can buy all cs weapons but movement is like quake3 :D

<< Comment #1414 @ 12:35 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #1403

you're kidding right?

<< Comment #1415 @ 22:03 CST, 15 January 2008 >>

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Stasis

Lower the machine gun damage to 3. I will reason it out if you want, but I've said it so many damn times I'm tired of typing it up and since no one seems to like the idea, I'm just putting it out there for posterity. And maybe support.

<< Comment #1422 @ 05:05 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1415

3 is way to low...

<< Comment #1523 @ 17:30 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

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Stasis - Reply to #1422

Your opinion is worthless without reasons.

I said I'd "reason it out" if anyone was interested, but you showed none. Please tell me why you think that higher damage is good when you spawn :)

<< Comment #1524 @ 17:39 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1523

Because wether you like it or not, it's still a weapon, just a bit more weak because it's given upon spawn.

A spawn weapons doesnt mean it should be a weapon that can not kill a stacked opponent.

5 damage is fine, but with 3 there is just no chance at all to kill a opponent who is in controll, now you could say that a opponent in controll shouldnt be killed by a fresh spawnee with no armor or strong weapon or whatsoever, but the way I see it is that if you are fully stacked, in controll, and wielding a strong weapon, but still get killed by a fresh spawnee, you are the one to blame for such stupid actions, it's not the weapons fault that you fail to kill an opponent that weak.

<< Comment #1525 @ 18:11 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

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Stasis - Reply to #1524

Well, here's my deal. If you spawn with a strong weapon, dying is less of a penalty. I think dying should be a harsh penalty, whether it's CTF, TDM, or 1v1. Being able to take down someone with the spawn weapon should be hard; it just isn't when the machine gun does 7 damage. I don't think that's an outcome that is rewarding of a player who is using control and skill to beat their opponent. I think 3 damage is enough to allow for an even match to have control traded in situations where the fights are decided by slim margins. If you do a lot of damage to the in control player, finishing them off with the machine gun is fine, but 7 damage is much more than necessary for finishing, it's good for attacking, finishing, polishing, and chopping fucking vegetables. 5 damage is much better, and 3 damage is about ideal in my opinion because you have to do very significant damage BEFORE you die in order for your death to pay you a dividend. Situations where dying is the better of any options should be avoided at all costs in my opinion; a powerful spawn weapon throws this balance off. For evidence of games where a weak spawn weapon works extremely well, I present Quake and Quake 2 :)

The argument against this in my head is that it will lead to more spawnrape; this is certainly true with the existing VQ3 spawn system, but I think would be greatly mitigated by a random spawn out of a selection of farthest spawn points.

I can't argue against the idea of "if you are fully stacked, in controll, and wielding a strong weapon, but still get killed by a fresh spawnee, you are the one to blame for such stupid actions, it's not the weapons fault that you fail to kill an opponent that weak." My argument is that when a fresh spawnee has 700 hitscan, infinite-range damage ready to go as soon as they spawn, that's just too much. At a common, easily attainable 25% accuracy, that's 17.5 damage per second (10 rounds/s rate of fire). That's a lot, considering the LG does only 2.3x (160 per second) as much damage. And the railgun only does 100 damage per 1.5 seconds (66.67 damage per second) so, technically its maximum damage is less than the machine gun. That's nuts. The accuracy is different for these weapons, but pulling an average "decent" accuracy out of my ass, a 50% railgun nets 33.33 damage per second. Pitting a 33.33 damage per second against 17.5 damage per second is not enough of a difference for me to say dying is enough of a penalty to make it a bad option in almost every situation.

Note: All numbers are from what I remember :P If they're wrong plz correct me!

<< Comment #1527 @ 18:58 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1525

You're forgetting to mention spread for machine gun:P

Also, you still haven't proved why 5 would be a bad number like I said.

Besides, losing controll and powerfull weapons, plus giving away a point and 'stealth' I'd say dieing is enough of a punishment... the problem isnt with mg the way I see it, it's spawnhealth in my opinion.

With spawnhealth the enemy survives longer, and can deal damage for longer with machinegun.

<< Comment #1529 @ 14:40 CST, 9 February 2008 >>

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Stasis - Reply to #1527

1) Spread - That's accounted for when you factor in percentages. Out of my ass, I think a decent player can hit 25% all day long. That's roughly the same (probably a little lower) than what the same player would hit with the LG. I'd estimate 25-30% LG is reasonable for a decent player, but it varies depending on the map due to the range limitations and pushback knocking them out of range.

2) 5 damage - Not necessarily bad, I just PREFER (which I emphasized repeatedly) 3. The lack of frustration incurred when I play CTF nowadays is proof positive that I am happy with 5, and the lack of whining from the CTF folks indicates that it isn't a bad thing (or might even be a good thing, as I've suggested since 2000 :P). Also, the people who play regularly have much better aim than when I stopped playing seriously in late 2001, yet it's not as frustrating to me as it was back in the heyday because it's skill that I'm not keeping up with, rather than a spawn of someone WHO I JUST KILLED, which to me goes against the "death = bad" principle I wholeheartedly stand behind. However, I think 3 is ideal because you're weak. Not kinda strong, not weaker, but weak. I go at it from this angle because changing more parameters fucks with the entire balancing of the game, which other than the machine gun, I thought was damn solid.

3) Spawnhealth - The point may be penalty enough, but if you can die and regain control without doing anything other than spawning, that's not enough of an advantage for the killer. I agree with 125 spawnhealth as a bad thing, but if you change that, you basically are then forced to alter the rail behavior (damage/warmup/cooldown/range/etc) to keep the balance that has been a major part of Quake 3's enjoyable gameplay for over 8 years now. It's been 8 years, but I remember reading that the primary reasoning behind 125 health spawns was the railgun raped too hard with 100 health spawns. And once you soften the rail, you'll have to compensate across the board for that change as well, unless people end up liking it as-is, which I HIGHLY doubt based on the number of railwhores there are now. I'm all for lowering rail damage; people weren't hitting as frequently back in the day, and people weren't as good at movement as they are now, making it more impressive (to me) that the rail stands out as an all-purpose rape utensil, rather than a role weapon (which it started out as). Watch demos of 1v1 and CTF from 2000 and then from now, and you'll see that even people with shitty movement (HIYA THERE MAPS) are faster, better at dodging, and use cover more efficiently, than a majority of players were back then. And yet still, rail percentages in CTF aren't respected until they break 65% these days, when back then going over 50% was respectable. In 1v1, I think the same thing applies, but the dynamics are different so the percentages are typically lower. Softening the rail in a significant way (personally, I'd really like a distance-decay type nerf over an absolute damage nerf) would change the dynamics of the game, I think for the better because it plays more to an offensive style of play, and I think defensive games are boring to watch and boring to play. But even with a shitty rail (I've never been good with the goddamn thing), I understand that balancing all of the aspects of the game that this effects is a challenge (pro mode arena :P).

Goddamn I'm writing a fucking book. And while a lot of people give him shit about the changes he makes, arQon and the CPMA team have really done something pretty awesome in evolving gameplay with the players, much in the same way Blizzard made some pretty heavy changes to SC throughout its life to get the balance as close as possible, without castrating anything too badly.

<< Comment #1458 @ 07:33 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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dansen - Reply to #1415

cpm already has mg damage 5 and when you shoot a guy you just think 'common, die already'.
5 damage is basically none at all

<< Comment #1459 @ 08:33 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV - Reply to #1458

Not in vq3...

When you hit the guy in vq3 you think "He'll die in a second", then he does...

<< Comment #1460 @ 10:15 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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dansen - Reply to #1458

yeah, 7 dmg in vq3 i think, but 5 is already good. 3 is in now way enough

<< Comment #1461 @ 11:01 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV - Reply to #1460

7 in duel/ctf
5 in tdm

In tdm it's still too much.

<< Comment #1526 @ 18:29 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

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Stasis - Reply to #1458

CPM is basically a different game, and I'm not talking about it since the snowball that is CPM gameplay ain't going anywhere near Quake Live's inferno.

With the fairly quiet reaction to CPMA's default 5 damage machine gun in VQ3 for CTF (dunno about 1v1, haven't played enough to notice), it must have gone over pretty well. Seeing how people whine about fairly insignificant changes (even for the better), there would be a fucking vineyard if it was a net detriment to gameplay.

Halfway there...come on CPMA team, make my dreams come true :)

<< Comment #1417 @ 01:32 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (210.211.129.168.dynamic-mumbai.vsnl.net.in)

I want john carmack to use his brain and come up with something truly beautiful and new gameplay wise...
just keep the cpma netcode and please dont make it so bugged that hundreds of updates,patches mods have to be downloaded to fix everything
in short something that can make us play the quake series for another 10 years atleast
vivek

<< Comment #1435 @ 03:15 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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cyronix ' - Reply to #1417

times change ... fps don't have a long lifespan anymore ...
I'm not even sure if a game can still last a year :-( ...
also ... maybe id is alreays over the hill, at least you could guess so,
they are still sucessfull, but only because of their great name,
their games are not really up to their predecessors ...
people once knew doom and quake ... but does anyone know Doom3 or Quake4???
The myth of id will soon cease to exist if they continue the way they do ...

<< Comment #1416 @ 01:32 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (d75-155-123-241.bchsia.telus.net)

Anonymous replier 1196 again,

MVD demos are great for watching a 1v1 but having 8+ mini views on a screen isn't the way to go for a team game. I don't know what the direct solution to this is but it led me to thinking about "broadcasting" in general.

Is it technically possible for a live demo to be rewound on by a secondary client to show instant replays live in a tournament match? That way some action that wasn't getting screen coverage when it happened could be shown seconds later in a player view or free cam and possibly have slow motion or an effect if needed?

<< Comment #1419 @ 03:44 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-082-083-248-015.pools.arcor-ip.net)

It should be easier for Newbies to start with the Game and learn the Gameplay. No playing about 2 months to learn just the basic movement/jumps.

Q3 Today is in my opinion horrible difficult to start with the game, so i stopped it frustrated.

Nr. 2 No one should be able to jump higher or further, because of more FPS.

<< Comment #1420 @ 04:07 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Cuffahid - Reply to #1419

Warsow 0.4 is going to use such a "tiered" movement, excellent feature :P

<< Comment #1421 @ 04:58 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1420

That would be a nice idea. Something like gaining speed just by having forward+strafe pressed while jumping, but mantaining the advantage of doing a prober strafejump.

It would give newbies a small boost.

<< Comment #1424 @ 05:55 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1421

it would make newbies only use that and not learn circle jumping
let it be to pk, and warsow

<< Comment #1425 @ 05:59 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Cuffahid - Reply to #1424

here is a proper answer :>
http://warsow.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1101550507#p1101550507

<< Comment #1427 @ 06:41 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1425

let's play pros and cons about introducing PK's bunny hoping into q0

pros :
-larger player base because of an easier movement in between "nothing I just run" and "strafe jumping" ?

cons :
-we'll see most (99%) newbies satisfied with only using PK's bunny hoping and not learning circle jump, ever (exept KoFFiE and the 5 guys that think like him) ; and yet there will be a gap between the ones who know how to circle jump and the rest. please no.
-circle jumping is quake's trademark, shadowing it by adding a gimmicly kind of similar easy movement wouldn't be really smart imo
-learning circle jumping is no big deal with a proper tutorial, which will be in q0, so why add another movement and confuse newcomers ?

let it be to pk2, and "warsow the game which eats all existing possible way of moving in a fps" (I guess when next Tribes will be released we will be able to hill skie in wsw too)

<< Comment #1429 @ 07:07 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1427

furthermore,
q0 is a fuckingly great opportunity (free and will run nicely on any pc) to officialy reveal what is circle jumping -which is the heart of this game- before q5 arena

also as I'm sooooo sure newbies would stick to pk's bunny hoping and not make the effort to learn circle jumping, it would harm the game itself :
using pk's bunny hoping is immediate : you just do it, nothing special about repeatingly pressing jump key, boring
circle and strafe jumping have a long learing curve, and one could see this as a bad thing, I've so enjoyed learning it, perfecting it, see me improving it each time I played, and I still fucking enjoy just strafe jump or put a big circle over a gap, etc.. that's the heart of this game and should not be shadowed at any level by another similar movement

quake is about analogic movement (mouse), don't add a numeric one (jumpjumpjumpyawnjumpjumpjump)

<< Comment #1430 @ 07:15 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Cuffahid - Reply to #1427

Thats not fully charged PK's bunny, just a midair accel while you're holding your +fwd and no other movement keys. It wont allow to perform PK's tricks such as instant change of velocity vector by changing POV's direction and therefore fwd->back->fwd->back speeding up on the spot. Netherless such a feature will allow you to perform quite deep turns, to effectively dodge hitscans in air (+fwd *mouse only* aircontrol isnt that instant and radical as PK's but still is pretty close to that feeling of POV's freedom in air). And in addition it gives you away a simple slow bunny.
Think of such a bunny as of replacement for default +fwd walking.

Edited by [CopperHead] at 07:18 CST, 16 January 2008

<< Comment #1433 @ 08:55 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1430

I was just naming it "pk's bunny hoping" ("numeric" movement) to not confuse it with cpma's bunny hoping ("analogic" movement)

<< Comment #1426 @ 06:24 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1424

No. You'd still need circle jumping to make most of the tricks because the speed gained on the first jump shouldn't be nearly as high as that of a good circle jump.

It'd help in modes like CTF where a newb just can't go into a public server and take the flag because he needs more speed. Also some (most?) people still feel that strafe jump is a cheat just because they can't do it. With that system you'd give them a chance to be faster, closing the gap in terms of movement with the more skilled people and probably pushing them to learn to do proper circle/strafe jumps. Not only that, if you force them to press forward+strafe while jumping, just by trying to compensate the deviation they could start to feel how to strafe jump.

<< Comment #1431 @ 07:24 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1426

"probably pushing them to learn to do proper circle/strafe jumps"

nope, they would not even see the speed difference between strafe jumping and bunny hoping
seeing someone going faster than him, average newbie Joe will think this guy is bunny hoping and had a longer momentum than him
even if it is told that "learning circle jumping to be able to learn strafe jumping which is a bit faster than bunny hoping", he will go "I'll stick with the easy movement, it's sufficient for my casual gaming" and finally will totally miss what is actually quake

btw, imo best game to take advantage of pk's bunny hoping would be ut (simple to learn, would not harm ut's dodge gameplay, would fix the "I can dodge but I can't move quicly around a map, furthermore since dodge+jump is out")

Edited by wata at 07:52 CST, 16 January 2008

<< Comment #1501 @ 14:25 CST, 3 February 2008 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1419

Please LEARN the movement and LEARN to realize one of the best parts of Q3, that makes the game great, is that IT TAKES EFFORT.

Syncerror, ignore any vague idea of "dumbing down circlejumping". Stick with VQ3 physics as they are today, no gimmicks.

The "newbie can't do shit" problem must be fixed using a proper matchmaking system, NOT dumbing down VQ3 in any way.

Thanks (and release some freaking screenshots ASAP)

<< Comment #1423 @ 05:07 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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Terifire

get rid of the jerkyness of mvd's :D

<< Comment #1432 @ 07:34 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1423

they would have to implement it first ... ;)

<< Comment #1428 @ 06:53 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV

Faster circle jump so we can use it as a Manual (And skilled) UT dodge.

<< Comment #1434 @ 15:44 CST, 16 January 2008 >>

By

senzor

UTF encoding support would be nice so new asian/russian could possibly come to the game.

Assosiate the demos postfix with the game.

Make some online global ratings - e.g aim percentage statistics, NET, avg. DMG given per match etc... (cause people love to compete. - make it Quake Battlenet .)

"Quake Battlenet" should have it's own predefined admins and superadmins who would be admins in whichever game they come in. That should count for banned users as well

more models and sounds variations or just simply allow to add users own stuff into the game.

Maybe changing the spawnsystem a bit? Make it random, so it wouldn't be so easy to learn.

MVD needs sound only of the active window.

Weapon sounds are very important, please don't dare to use something like pure Q4 machine gun sound again .)

Visible blood is also important (I missed it in the Q4)

Implement server advanced managment tools into the game (like HLSW, ASE)

Allow things like adding real nation flag in front of the nick.

Make all the "little" important things accesable from the menu I mean e.g. rail trail size, style, dot spiral/laser, core colors etc. smokes.

Implement tourney making bracket system into the game and make it accessible (visible) from the html requests - so nobody would ever need to wait for some results until admin fill them.

keep command conventions from previous Quakes .) and add a help file with possibly ALL commands into the menu.

after the match automatical demo sending (if allowed) to the atending admin.

allow video capturing from games(demos)

Give priority to the used mods e.g. - duel and tdm highest priority, freeze lowest priority.

Implement event schedule table, which would inform players about upcoming events - tournaments, updates, atractive demos, special occasions like christmas deatchmatch for everyone etc.. .)

Try implementing latency vote into the game - so no situation with one team having ping 30 and other having 100 would appear. All players would have the same (OK obviously it would be the latency of the highest pinging player or even higher, but nobody could be able to complain anymore).

Make the game compatible with the old demos (I doubt it'd be possible though :)

Allow voting for seeing opponents health/armor like it is in Quakeworld.

Game itself (Q3) seemed almost perfect to me I personally doubt any major core changes will appear. Anyway when something comes on my mind I will come here and put it down.

<< Comment #1437 @ 07:36 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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TimJones

here are my suggestions:

- Gameplay like Q3 CMPA (also weaponswitching)
- some new cool maps and also all the fav q2,q3 remakes
- a cool variety of models
- brightskins
- QTV
- announcer
- out of the box: clanarena gamemode or ra gamemode
- matchmakingsystem
- no new weapons and NO napalmgun
- no 2nd firemode
- crounchsliding

and whats very important:

- blood and gore / directional gibs!!!!
- nice gothic graphics
- nice visual effects
- no realistic weapons - the machinegun of q4 sucks!!!!

Edited by TimJones at 07:40 CST, 17 January 2008

<< Comment #1439 @ 13:14 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #1437

CPMA is the mod cpm is the gameplay.

<< Comment #1438 @ 08:16 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (catv540354BA.pool.t-online.hu)

Shock rifle style weapon. (what UT has) and flash grenade (cs) should be fun. Really!

<< Comment #1468 @ 16:07 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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dradik - Reply to #1438

Not to sound too harsh, but go kill yourself for that comment.

<< Comment #1440 @ 16:40 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (0x555314bd.adsl.cybercity.dk)

It Has to be Q3 vanilla gameplay but with same weapons and armor pickup as Q3 Team Arena, TA was an amazing new addon for Q3 but those lame models with bad movement feel screwed it all up.

So keep the ultimate Q3 feel and same thick and bulkiness models as in Q3.

<< Comment #1441 @ 17:46 CST, 17 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (89-172-206-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr)

put rail dmg 1hit = kill
vgg!

<< Comment #1442 @ 09:38 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

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cloned

Plz some unbalanced weapons... or lets say the standard weapon should be weak like in qw ( boomstick compared to RL ). Hated the mg raping in q3 after some time :]

<< Comment #1443 @ 10:17 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

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akki

Personally I think that a good game with a great community and nice not in-game specific features makes for a better total experience than a really great game but with only a few ppl playing. And since most of the posts discuss in-game features like rail dmg and air control, here are some of my (wet) wishes:

1. One community page to rule them all, where all players, tournaments, content, news, clan lists etc. are hosted.

2. The community site should include lists of all ongoing games/tourney games for easy access to "gtv". Great way to also attract new players.

3. For official games mdv demos should be uploaded automatically to the site and be presented together with the results. Scores/screens uploaded after each map?

4. Shoutcast included ingame (tired of sync winamp stream with gtv ;-) -- but ofc optional if the player wants to listen to the shoutcast (or which shoutcast to listen to).

5. Built-in support for multiple cams/shouters per game.

6. Map overview (?) in gtv/spec mode where the camera dude can explain tactics or whatnot.

7. Make a fun game, basically merge qw and q3 and use a crapy spawn weapon like in q2 ;-)

<< Comment #1444 @ 13:30 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

By

xgo

Add http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1497304 so that intel, nvidia ... can showoff their super new products :P

<< Comment #1445 @ 16:37 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

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Cuffahid

Do not copy it from Q3/Q2/QW - rather follow some new concepts with innovative gameplay schemes, etc. But you should not forget its still Quake.

Do not implement flat learning curves for weapons that are deadly powerful - find a solution for current hitscan abuse.

Do not include old and overplayed to death weapon set - rather encourage prediction skills, they are way more intuitive for players to learn and way more satisfying to master. Try to build gameplay basics avoiding strong trackscan and hitscan weapons. Do not forget about possible shots that could look lucky, but are just results of game experience and dedication (examples from previous Quakes: air rockets, air grenades, flick shots, etc.) - make insane aim looking impressive, not boring (rail pixelhunting across the map is just boring to watch, same for lightning gun jumppad abuse).

Do not make movement learning curve too steep. Implement two-tiered or even three-tiered movement, that gives new people more chance to enjoy the game first time without proper movement skills - bunnyhop for free, strafejumping still applies (Use "Warsow" experience as reference)

Do make Quake that still will have been played for another 10+ years after release and will satisfy the upcoming generation of new hardcore gamers (current generation that went through first 4 Quake reincarnations, is already dead as core audience). Make it just different and quite innovative but still Quake :P

Edited by [CopperHead] at 17:00 CST, 18 January 2008

<< Comment #1447 @ 20:15 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1445

It has been said a few times that QL is basically a free Q3.

Apart from that, I think some speed gain for free when pressing forward and strafe should definitely be beneficial to the game, as newbies wouldn't feel so handicapped from the beginning. The thing is, SyncError stated the other day on IRC that they are taking a more active approach, trying to encourage people to learn strafe jumping instead of nerfing it or newbifying it.

I still think a middle point a la Warsow would be the best solution though.

<< Comment #1449 @ 03:22 CST, 19 January 2008 >>

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Cuffahid - Reply to #1447

yep, I've already read some official stuff about QZ and Q5...
So, mind this post as Q5's keynote :p

<< Comment #1446 @ 16:47 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

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noctis

add some sort of tourney game scheduling like at http://www.gamestv.org/ to the ql page so ppl can always see when tourney games are coming up they could watch. (and where and how etc.)

<< Comment #1451 @ 19:16 CST, 19 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1446

qw's implementation is far superior in my eyes it's simple and clear

<< Comment #1453 @ 00:47 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1451

qw's implementation is far superior in my eyes it's simple and clear

<< Comment #1454 @ 04:41 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1451

what qw implementation?

i just meant a match calendar for the quakelive page...

<< Comment #1455 @ 05:23 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1454

when that dreamhack tourney was on you just went here and clicked http://qw.suomicom.fi:28000/nowplaying/

<< Comment #1456 @ 05:39 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #1455

yes thats nice, but i simply meant a match calendar so you know e.g. that tomorrow is a game that you would like to see. ;)

<< Comment #1457 @ 06:51 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1456

ah - that would be nice

<< Comment #1489 @ 19:39 CST, 25 January 2008 >>

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peterg - Reply to #1457

http://schedule.qwdrama.com/

<< Comment #1491 @ 06:48 CST, 26 January 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #1489

cool, thx.

<< Comment #1448 @ 21:14 CST, 18 January 2008 >>

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marcus

ok... i'm finally making a post on here, so i expect everyone's attention because i'm kind of a big deal. ok?

everything q3 had right out of the box. no big changes to gameplay because that's what made the game great. we want something similar to VQ3 not CPM or some other lameness. oh, and please keep out the crouch slides.

plus all features that we have grown to love over the years such as crosshair colors, and big green enemies that you can hear over every other sound in the map. basically all the nice lil features we loved in osp and i guess some of the new cooler ones from cpma like customizeable hud. (i like my timer right above my health!)

125 fps physics.
hang on a sec, lemme reiterate that.
*125 fps physics*

that means not arQon's fixed 72 fps physics crap from cpma. i want PMOVE back. i believe either arQon is an idiot and he does not know the first thing about q3 or care about its players OR his intentions are to make cpma an entirely seperate game from q3. saw the new simpleitems icons? lulz. so please, let's say this altogether give us 125 fps physics. </rant>

ok another thing... why is everyone so hooked on the cpma netcode? it's not really that good. in fact i think it's total crap. i think we can do much better. as a matter of fact i think rockets, plasma etc was better in osp, except for LG maybe. i do seem to play better with 90 ping in osp than i do in cpma though. go figure.

i also think it would be nice if there was a bunch of lil customizeable options from the GUI so noobs don't have to resort to becoming config masters like myself, (anyone remember my config guide from like 5 years ago? rofl) because i think that really turns off a lot of players from games like q3. if you want a lot of players you have to keep it simple.

NO PUNKBUSTER, because i believe that destroyed q3. you join a server and you get kicked over and over because the ingame updater doesn't work. if you were just a casual gamer trying out a new game wouldn't you just say F that and uninstall? who has time to deal with such nonsense?

i think there should be a lot of documentation and tutorials perhaps even course maps for newbs who want to learn how to move and aim etc. so they don't just get in a server and get raped and run back to cs or wow and never play a good fps again.

this HAS to be made somewhat more noob friendly without changing the gameplay. it is the only way to attract a huge player base. it has to be playable right out of the box. people don't have to time or patience sit and analyze every aspect of the game and the config to get good at it.

NEW MAPS. we should have a few good old ones but new maps are important.

shrug that's all i can think of at the moment. perhaps ill update it or add new posts :D

ps: one cool feature i liked about q4 was the tournament mode and how you can play multiple games on one server.

Edited by marcus at 21:24 CST, 18 January 2008

<< Comment #1462 @ 16:46 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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Eco - Reply to #1448

Someone doesn't know how to argue properly.

<< Comment #1480 @ 09:34 CST, 24 January 2008 >>

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marcus - Reply to #1462

uh wtf? i wasn't trying to argue, i just stated my suggestions. get a grip.

<< Comment #1463 @ 19:31 CST, 20 January 2008 >>

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Venim - Reply to #1448

sounded like typical osp whine...

<< Comment #1481 @ 09:35 CST, 24 January 2008 >>

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marcus - Reply to #1463

lol sounds like a typical cpma lamer who is mad cuz his game never made it.

<< Comment #1484 @ 15:19 CST, 24 January 2008 >>

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Venim - Reply to #1481

hardly. cpma gets fucked up with every release these days. but quit bitching about the physics difference in osp and vq3, if your movement sucks that bad then you should play poker

<< Comment #1467 @ 14:26 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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kare - Reply to #1448

CPM style is exactly what I would like actually. Or an option of cpm and vq3 (or even better cpm or cq3!).

In short.

updated graphics and maps + cpm gameplay option + fantastic community features

<< Comment #1482 @ 09:36 CST, 24 January 2008 >>

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marcus - Reply to #1467

oh i'm sure there will be a cpm option but gaurantee it will be dominated by vq3 :P

<< Comment #1654 @ 11:13 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

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im a tree - Reply to #1482

cpm is a minority inside a minority

the majority is the side with all the idiots

<< Comment #1507 @ 20:15 CST, 5 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (c-71-61-32-203.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) - Reply to #1448

marcus wrote:

"125 fps physics.
hang on a sec, lemme reiterate that.
*125 fps physics*

that means not arQon's fixed 72 fps physics crap from cpma. i want PMOVE back. i believe either arQon is an idiot and he does not know the first thing about q3 or care about its players OR his intentions are to make cpma an entirely seperate game from q3. saw the new simpleitems icons? lulz. so please, let's say this altogether give us 125 fps physics."

gratz, you might just be the biggest fuckup ive ever seen on esr. not only do you not understand the engines mechanics, you fucked up by ranting about the wrong feature you want rofl. you wouldnt know a good game from the hole in your ass let alone the one thats marked "promode". ill also say again you vq3'rs are only here out of pity and because cpl told you to play cpma because you were to stupid to figure it out yourselves.

<< Comment #1465 @ 07:15 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (89-172-229-94.adsl.net.t-com.hr)

agree whit marcus

<< Comment #1466 @ 12:23 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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Nukm

remember, that weapons do not _have to_ deal the same amount of dmg in all gamemodes... *looksatthevq3mgintdmandduel*

<< Comment #1469 @ 16:15 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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dradik

Crouchslide ftw.. its more fun to play and watch and its make ctf games really exciting.

<< Comment #1470 @ 17:06 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (adsl-074-247-081-179.sip.bna.bellsouth.net)

Oh yeah..one more thing that might be over looked. Awesome looking menu... dumb as it sounds its actually true. I love Q4 but Q4 Base menu makes me want to choke a kitten. Good menus really get you interested if you play it for the first time, and subconciously keep you wanting more.

<< Comment #1471 @ 17:38 CST, 21 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-234-123-55.dynamic.qsc.de)

I did not read any of the posts here. So maybe others discussed about this allready.

People say QLive will be started from within your browser. This implies that the game has to be built on top of a powerful community portal.

Allthough it SHOULD be possible for everyone to start a game annonymously without beeing forced to register, registration should be possible.

Having an account at ID would make increddible things possible. YOu could implement the most accurate matchmaker ever seen in an online game (at least I never heard of something like I'll suggest here).

Back in QW I used to have a simple Windows Application that could read console log files and create statistics out of it. The same thing should be possible in QLive. At the end of each game the whole statistics should be saved into your account. That way you know EXACTLY how good a player aims with each weapon. This means: The matchmaker will be able to connect every player with someone that has equal skills what means that every player, even the noobiest noob will have fun playing this game :>

You should even go a step further and cound all Armors and MegaHealth and Quad and whatever collected by the user. That way you can measure if the user went a step further and now plays tactically in order to gain map control.

Finally you should even log if the main items are collected ON TIME and if the player was at least around the item when it spawned (since only one player can grab the item allthough both might be able to time perfectly) in order to measure if the player even is able to do proper item timing.

This is just a quick idea. I bet you guys at ID will be able to make up much more statistis in order to find out if a player is a good TDM player, or a good CTF player or a good 2on2 / 4on4 player and so on.

With this knowledge you can even create pickup channels where every player is forced to join a certain team in order to get teams wich are as balanced as possible.

I think aside from all gameplay tweaks the people here are discussing about - THIS should be the most important new feature of QLive.

Q3 OSP allready was perfect. Add this community thingy and success will be yours. Definetly!

But I guess you allready planned that anyways ;)

<< Comment #1472 @ 02:12 CST, 22 January 2008 >>

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wari - Reply to #1471

maxstats does an awesome job at collecting player data:

http://spontangames.net/maxstats0108/

<< Comment #1476 @ 06:23 CST, 23 January 2008 >>

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sabre0001 - Reply to #1471

Problem with registering accounts is that there can be so many stolen nicknames - and if it applies to tournament settings, then we will not see the all-star line ups that we know of...

The stats system idea is interesting but I'm not sure how you monitor if someone was nearby - and what if they miss it by a second or two or are on an overhanging ledge. Could be difficult to implement...

<< Comment #1477 @ 08:23 CST, 23 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV - Reply to #1476

Account Name =/= In Game Name

<< Comment #1478 @ 12:19 CST, 23 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-234-123-55.dynamic.qsc.de) - Reply to #1476

Implementing an 3D engine like the one we all love was difficult as well - never the less ID did it :)

Apart from that I don't think that it will be too difficult...

<< Comment #1485 @ 12:41 CST, 25 January 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #1471

ctrl + f "statistics" or "matchmaking".. it's been said a few times ;)

<< Comment #1494 @ 17:58 CST, 26 January 2008 >>

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wn - Reply to #1471

I agree that it would be nice to have some form of account system in place for QL. Although I don't particularly care for Punkbuster, it does provide an easy mechanism to check identities (pb_plist to get GUIDs).

A possible solution would be to make account registration optional, but if you register you get perks such as basic stat tracking, a "checkmark" next to your account ID in an in-game player list, etc.

Edited by whitename at 18:02 CST, 26 January 2008

<< Comment #1473 @ 13:46 CST, 22 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (pD95DD982.dip.t-dialin.net)

a killcam
like in call of duty
because its an honer your enemy can see in witch way you fraggt him (especally when it was an realy nice shot :D )

<< Comment #1475 @ 05:34 CST, 23 January 2008 >>

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moonshield - Reply to #1473

I think quake is too fast paced for that but on the other side it would be neat for rocket arena for example.

<< Comment #1486 @ 13:00 CST, 25 January 2008 >>

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dradik - Reply to #1475

I agree, I would hate seeing how I died over and over again in like a dm and I would not tolerate it in a duel. But in like CA or Rocket Arena type thing where you don't respawn... then maybe.

<< Comment #1487 @ 13:36 CST, 25 January 2008 >>

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sabre0001 - Reply to #1473

And how many more people would call hax! :)

<< Comment #1488 @ 17:30 CST, 25 January 2008 >>

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retire - Reply to #1473

lmfao at the cod/CA players posting, or the jokers?

<< Comment #1522 @ 16:08 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

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griffin` - Reply to #1473

i use the cam after i die to see when the enemy picks up items so i can time them better, quake is to fasted for that.

<< Comment #1490 @ 21:24 CST, 25 January 2008 >>

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KING KEV

Ability to respawn instantly upon death, no 3 second wait ala Q4.

<< Comment #1492 @ 13:25 CST, 26 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (ip5457107d.direct-adsl.nl)

It would be awesome to see objective based gameplay in a Quake game. Something ET:QW tried but kinda failed because of all the battlefield elements.

<< Comment #1493 @ 15:18 CST, 26 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-234-123-55.dynamic.qsc.de) - Reply to #1492

You allready killed your own argument :)

1. We allready have a quake game with objective based gameplay
2. It failed and will fail again
3. even the words "objective based" and "quake game" next to each other do contradict and should even thought about...

<< Comment #1495 @ 06:49 CST, 27 January 2008 >>

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Anonymous (ip5457107d.direct-adsl.nl) - Reply to #1493

As I said pretty clearly, the combination of Quake and objective based gameplay failed because they added battlefield elements.

Objective based gameplay is a combination of Capture the flag, capture and hold and somewhat overload (Q3TA) gamemodes, next to that W:ET and RTCW were based on the Quake 3 engine so I fail to see why objective based and quake contradict each other.

<< Comment #1496 @ 07:31 CST, 27 January 2008 >>

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wata - Reply to #1495

I'm making a note here : you both have no clue why etqw isn't a huge success

<< Comment #1556 @ 12:13 CST, 18 February 2008 >>

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dradik - Reply to #1493

Quake CTF didn't fail =x

<< Comment #1498 @ 07:38 CST, 3 February 2008 >>

By

sonic

zing

<< Comment #1499 @ 07:53 CST, 3 February 2008 >>

By

wata

menu option to disable bobbing and such effects

<< Comment #1500 @ 08:51 CST, 3 February 2008 >>

By

falcuma

crouchsliding is hardly needed... It gives really fast action and hardmastering...

<< Comment #1504 @ 10:52 CST, 4 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de) - Reply to #1500

its more usefull as the cpma aircontrol because you can fill gaps between jumps and gain speed. btw its easier to manage than cpma aircontrol

<< Comment #1502 @ 05:44 CST, 4 February 2008 >>

By

dadS

Just been installed q3 again and quite shocked at how bad I've become. The hard thing that I'm finding is no players are playing noob game type's, ffa, ca in cpm vq3.

So hard to jump in against a half decent player, you just get your ass kicked. With the ffa, ca, etc there are good and bad players and it's much easier to learn.

<< Comment #1503 @ 09:27 CST, 4 February 2008 >>

By

Jazzy

a release date

<< Comment #1505 @ 14:12 CST, 4 February 2008 >>

By

naymlis - Reply to #1503

2009

<< Comment #1506 @ 15:39 CST, 4 February 2008 >>

By

Jazzy - Reply to #1505

but thats aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeessssssss

<< Comment #1508 @ 15:11 CST, 6 February 2008 >>

By

cYmoZz

1. Take your time, don't release smth half-assed

2. Don't start open beta until it's already in a near-final state, because people may get disappointed by a beta which contains only 50% of the features

3. Instead, do an intensive closed beta test with, let's say 50, merited and open-minded players in NA and Europe

4. Don't release open beta until ESWC is over

<< Comment #1515 @ 09:11 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

By

SyncError - Reply to #1508

4. Don't release open beta until ESWC is over

We certainly won't be basing our release dates upon ESWC's dates.

<< Comment #1517 @ 10:47 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #1515

I get your point, but let me just explain why I wrote that:
It would be great to have ESWC finals as a last, big tourney for Q3, before (hopefully) the players will switch over to QL alltogether.

The Quake community needs ESWC to be a success, so we can have more good tournaments in the future. If you release QL before ESWC finals, the interest in ESWC will be certainly lower cause they are still using Q3. (I doubt heavily that ESWC will switch to QL shortly before the finals). Lower interest in ESWC will decrease it's success. People will probably remember ESWC08 like "I was playing QL already, so I didnt follow it that much - I think cooller won!?" instead of "Amazing tourney - I remember exactly how cooller made a double airrocket on czm to win it in the last minute. And a few weeks after, QL was released :>"

Besides, it would help the transition from Q3 to QL when nobody has a good reason to play Q3 instead of QL. You can bet that there will be a bunch of narrow-minded fools who don't want to switch over to QL because of "omg the new simple items look shit" or similar reasons.
When you release QL before ESWC, the group of people who still play Q3 will be bigger cause the pro-players (have to) stick to Q3.
This will boost the fools' confidence cause they think they have the pros on their side. There will always be people who will stick to Q3, but you should try to keep this number as low as possible.

I don't wanna exaggerate the importance of a QL release after ESWC, but it could help QL a bit, I think.

<< Comment #1518 @ 11:10 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

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tzz - Reply to #1517

I really hope I don't have to wait until September to play Quake Live. Also, Battlefield Heroes will be out by that time and would hurt QL badly.

<< Comment #1519 @ 11:15 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

By

wata - Reply to #1518

Battlefield Heroes is a TPS

<< Comment #1509 @ 16:01 CST, 6 February 2008 >>

By

it's a waste of time and you won't make any money off it, besides you already made 2 shit games (q3, q4) so why make the same mistakes the third time?

<< Comment #1510 @ 16:49 CST, 6 February 2008 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #1509

Now that is one comment full of shit. They obviously don't seek to make money from this so that sentence is just utter crap. I wont discuss whether or not Q4 is bad, cause you'd probably end up flaming me for not thinking like you -- but 'Q3' and 'shit game' do not go well together, I really don't see what you're getting at.

<< Comment #1511 @ 17:14 CST, 6 February 2008 >>

By

tzz - Reply to #1510

They are obviously seeking to make money from Quake Live, that's the whole point: ad supported game.

<< Comment #1512 @ 18:15 CST, 6 February 2008 >>

By

KING KEV - Reply to #1511

It's more to see if it could be a success with that type of model. So yes they hope to make money through it but I don't think they started the project expecting to make much at all :O

<< Comment #1513 @ 05:39 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #1512

No, that was exactly my point. The game is free to get and play, hence no income for id Software. I'm not much into advertising or marketing or anything, but I dont see a very great income from ads in QL -- I might be wrong though, since it may become a huge success.

<< Comment #1514 @ 06:14 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

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KING KEV - Reply to #1513

I was just saying I think it's somewhere in between. I can't see it making much money myself either :)

<< Comment #1516 @ 09:20 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

By

Shaddap

i'd just like to say that i think it's a good idea to add a lot of these pro-mod features, as i was stuck playing baseq3 with a lot of my friends, and couldnt get them to play osp, because it was too much of a hassle for them to download and install it, and play around with the features. The games has to be friendly towards new players, and lazy players that have hundreds of other game titles to play instead. They dont want to bother messing around with cfg's and testing if things work as they should.
A good way would be if you implimented ezquake's eyecandy setup and way of changing between various graphic modes.

Requests

- Make Q3E Minimizer a part of QL. It allows you to instantly minimize Q3..a very tiny program. Im positive the guy that made it would allow you to use his work if you asked. Can be reached at timothyoliver@bigpond.com.

- In general make the votetext smaller pr default. As it is now it interferes when you play and people often just vote yes to eg. a kick regardles the reason to make it go away.

- teamplay macros from ezquake

- a demo browser that allows you to arrange demos after date of creation, size, map, name and to delete and rename demos. See the default tracked player when its an mvd demo ;).

- match_save from ezquake
If you are using 'match_auto_record 1' then a temp demo will be recorded to
c:\quake\fuhquake\temp\_!_temp_!_.qwd each time a map starts. This temp demo will be overwritten
when the next match starts. If you want to keep the temp demo, use the "match_save" command.
This will move the demo to the same folder and filename that easyrecord would have used. Add something like match_save_amount to set the amount of temporary demos.

- Another thing that bothers me is that the enemycolors arent that visible, unless you use picmip <5. As of now its impossible to play with nice gfx and maintain the same reaction speed/overview you would have with picmip 5 and no fancy colours to distract you in q3. The enemycolours just dont pack enough punch to help you distinguish from them and other effects untill a few milisecs after. Unlike eg. ezquake where you can have fancy graphics but still a visible enemy.
http://img17.echo.cx/img17/5708/fuhquake0023iq.jpg
So i'd like more visible enemymodels or more visible models if you use fancy gfx. Eg. let a "very easy model to spot" option be unlocked if you use
above
set r_picmip "0"
set r_vertexlight "0"
set r_mode "6"
set r_texturemode "gl_linear_mipmap_nearest"
set r_depthbits "32"
set r_colorbits "32"
set r_texturebits "32"
set r_lodbias "0"
set r_subdivisions "4"
or something :)

When there are lots of players and on certain maps like opsdm5 and with all the lightning, you cant really play well with fancy graphics. So, could this be a possibility? The players that stick to picmip 5 can't really get a better overview anyway, so can't see the harm it would do to give people that would like to move away from this not so pretty picmip 5 graphic, more bright models as well.

- Some ignore feature. I often want to ignore some player or the opposite team but end up using cl_teamchatsonly 1 instead because i cant do anything else.

- Make a tiny anti fake mod. Something so that the servers arent filled with the same fakers. For starters ban the nick "unnamedplayer". Or make some in-game msg that tells players to unfake within 20 secs or else (1. time kick., 2. time kick, 3. ban for 5 mins). Then give OSP some recognition feature to prevent kicked players from fakenick'ing and reconnect. Perhaps let it say when you've just been kicked and try to reconnect "you've been kicked from this (particular) server, you can't reconnect with a changed nick for the next 10 mins." Then perhaps an option to push a button to return to your old nick and reconnect again. Or perhaps let players ingame see if a guy thats just been kicked has changed his nick. As it is now we only get a "<nick> has connected". Perhaps we could add "<nick> has connected. Last seen 24 secs. ago with the nick <previous nick>. "
Then let it announce this everytime a player that has been on the server within a specified amount of time like 5 mins., reconnects with a changed nick.

- would also like some waiting slots for CA. As of now there can only be 8 players on the server, regardless or their play/spec status. So adding some spec slots that doesnt interfere would be great. Sure you can find this code in Fuhquake too

- Have been using keel for ages because supposely he is the most accurate model, regarding the hitboxes..still isnt perfect though so a model that fits exactly to the hitboxes would be nice.

- Rocket script removal: Oh yes please. I realize there are people out there with sens 0.1 that cant do shit without their rj script but thats their own demise. You cant have everything in the world, and chosing a fov and sens is all about compromise. Do you want fast movement and a big overview or a more steady aim.
This is regarding QW but just think of Q3 instead :). Written by Apollyon which i believe is part of the fuhquake team

Results

Removal of RJ scripts from QW

1. they make QW's gameplay more shallow
2. they give players abilities and advantages they otherwise do not have
3. with scripts you can do things that are impossible to do manually
4. they are boring when spectating matches or watching demos

1. We always claim that QW is superior to other games because the gameplay offers alot of depth. A major part of this depth are the open physics which allow us to bunnyhop, strafejump and rocket jump. But what is the QW community doing? We invented scripts for doing the rocketjumps for us, we even went so far as to put these into the server mods and nowadays you can speed up at the press of a button. If you wouldnt loose some health and hear the rocket explosion sound, you wouldnt even know you made a rocket jump. The rocket jump scripts are "newbiefying" an important aspect of QW. Being good at rocket jumping is a skill and it should remain a skill. With scripts QW is further pushed into the direction of games like Q3 or UT2k3 where all the gameplay evolves around aim.

2. When discussing forward rocket jump scripts you often hear "i can do these jumps manually anyway, thus i am not at an advantage using them". When you ask the same players to play on an old Kteams server though, they refuse because there is no kfjump. And when you can do the jumps manually, why do you use a script then?
It would be naive to think everyone using scripts cannot do the jumps manually. Most of the players, wether they are good players or not, is probably able to do most of their scripted jumps as well. But most likely not with that speed and precision. They will definately need practice to do the things they do right now by only pressing a button.
Some players gain a lot, some gain less by using scripts but what is the point in levelling the skills like that? Being able to move around the map fast is a major advantage yet in all other cases gaining an advantage like that is not accepted. I dislike comparisons with real life but when others are better at something you have two choices: either accept that you are worse or try to improve by practice and/or hard work. Anything else would be regarded as cheating.

3. I am not an expert rocket jumper so i might be wrong on a few things here. Script users often speed up with a very flat and short rocketjump in order to get a lot of speed for their first bunnyhop. When you try to do the same manually you will fail to reach the same results. A good example when you come out of mega on dm4. A script user can press the button once he comes around the corner and he goes flying while other players trying to do the same manually will be much slower - and most likely dead. Other jumps that i think only the leetest players can do without scripts are on dm3 from the tele exit right onto the quad or on dm6 from the steps at lower level to the gl platform.
Another advantage that you gain with scripts is that in their modern incarnations you do not notice turning around anymore. You can place your crosshair on the enemy at all times and see the exact spot where you will land. When performing the same jump manually you will have to look into the opposite direction for a split second.

4. When i spectate a match or watch a demo it is always the players not using scripts which impress and excite me the most. Since with scripts you always have 100% speed and precision you will miss the "lol he missed that jump" or "omfg, did he really just do that?!" moments which are part of watching QW so enjoyable.

Essentially, by allowing rj scripts and using them, you are removing yet an element from the game that seperates the bad players from the good, and i think its a slap in the face to the players that can do them manually

Edited by Frej at 12:22 CST, 7 February 2008

<< Comment #1520 @ 17:01 CST, 7 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-088-073-100-083.pools.arcor-ip.net)

just use q4 movement(the higher ground accel+ducksliding) and weapons(stronger rl, weaker lightning gun and rail+smaller hitboxes) or make it votable.

Against q4, q3 is a slower and more hitscan like game.
The reason why nobody plays q4 is that almost everybody plays games like cs or battlefield today:(

<< Comment #1521 @ 11:05 CST, 8 February 2008 >>

By

nemecel - Reply to #1520

You don't get it.

<< Comment #1530 @ 15:10 CST, 9 February 2008 >>

By

cYmoZz

I really would like to see some minor gameplay adjustements in Q3. Technology has improved vastly since 1999 and nobody can deny that it shifted the balance more towards favoring instant hit weapons.
Assuming id includes an improved netcode ala CPMA, hitscan weapons (MG, LG and Rail) HAVE to be adjusted.

First change I would do is to implement octagonal hitboxes. There is simpy no reason why the "hit-area" should be 41% broader when your line of sight is inclined 45 degrees from the map-grid than when you are looking parallel to it.
id did already a good job with that in Q4 (after fixing some issues with the movement) and it would hopefully weaken hitscan weapons to an acceptable rate. If this doesnt suffice, further adjustments have to be made (less damage, slower rate of fire, etc). Also shotgun randomness has to be reduced (similar like in Q4 or CPMA).

Another point that needs a change is the spawn system. Spawn rapes like this don't belong in a game that claims to need skill for mastering it. I would like to see the implementation of the CPMA/Q4 spawnsystem - it won't avoid lucky spawnrapes completely but it will help to reduce it. (random using the furthest 50% of spawns from the killer instead of furthest 50% from dead body)

Movement is ok in general, only thing that bugs me is the movement on stairs - you often cannot jump or slip down the stairs when you don't want to. Q4's movement (on stairs) should be implemented instead. I don't care if QL uses cpma or osp jumpheight, it doesnt make much difference to me. I would welcome an additional movement feature (like rampjumps) but I don't think it is really needed.

Edited by cYmoZz at 15:18 CST, 9 February 2008

<< Comment #1531 @ 02:41 CST, 10 February 2008 >>

By

meat man

wtf this thread is huge
where did it come from
i feel left out :(

also make some sort of feature so we can watch matches
like hltv and that other one

<< Comment #1532 @ 05:38 CST, 10 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (adsl-62-167-75-153.adslplus.ch)

I would like to see trick maps that could give some great rewards such as strafe master or things like that.
So newcomers have "a reason" to learn how to strafe or roquet jump and so on.

<< Comment #1533 @ 15:14 CST, 10 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (darksystem.idleaire.com)

Oh yeah, and higher sound quality. When are you guys at id going to start with using ogg with 44100hz 16 bit stereo sound that's nice to the ears? ;p It's 2008, come on.

<< Comment #1534 @ 19:13 CST, 10 February 2008 >>

By

nemecel - Reply to #1533

True, SAME sounds rendered again at higher quality. And also again, after watching the video@ http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1508082#pid1508082 I remembered: ADD MOTION BLUR. It looks so good on Q3, and newbies love that shit ffs.

<< Comment #1552 @ 11:52 CST, 14 February 2008 >>

By

vedic - Reply to #1534

Real-time motion blur is possible with DX10, but I don't know about OpenGL.

<< Comment #1535 @ 09:30 CST, 11 February 2008 >>

By

feTzu

SyncError, ask for a raise before you start reading all this ;)

EDIT: I should have added "crap" between "this" and ";)"; since most of the thread seems to be pointless argumentation..

Edited by feTzu at 09:32 CST, 11 February 2008

<< Comment #1536 @ 10:29 CST, 11 February 2008 >>

By

SyncError - Reply to #1535

;)

<< Comment #1539 @ 19:53 CST, 11 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (c-76-123-218-28.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) - Reply to #1536

You should give us that winky face when you release the beta for ESR users. :D Which you should release soon.

Very soon.

Yes.

<< Comment #1542 @ 11:23 CST, 12 February 2008 >>

By

feTzu - Reply to #1539

talk about power of persuasion :)

<< Comment #1544 @ 07:25 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

AnthonyJ - Reply to #1539

Since you're posting from an anon account, I guess you didnt get the ESR user invite? ;)

<< Comment #1550 @ 21:32 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

deth - Reply to #1544

uh... whoops? :o

Been in the process of moving, so I've been lazy with logging in. :)

Edited by deth at 21:34 CST, 13 February 2008

<< Comment #1537 @ 12:09 CST, 11 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (221.160.96.68)

Anti lag stuff please. like noghost.

<< Comment #1538 @ 14:54 CST, 11 February 2008 >>

By

tzz

Another suggestion: add some sort of centralized banlist and adminlist. Kinda like AMXX and SourceMod, where you can use a DB to store admins and access or update it from any of your servers.

<< Comment #1540 @ 06:56 CST, 12 February 2008 >>

By

Clov3r

I'd like to see some legitimate BETA testing by the real Quake players and not these overpaid under skilled idiots who call themselves gamers (no offense to anyone who may feel like this describes you!)

Seriously though, The private BETA testing is a big part of a game, and like ETQW and UT3 had mega Public BETA releases, it really killed the game before it made it to it's first patch IMO and affected sales as well as the communities that played it since Private BETA.

I think focusing more on the private BETA and less on the Public BETA will help the game upon release. Not to mention it would give the Quake community a chance to review and help aid in the creation of Quake Zero - since we're the ones who are excited about it anyway!

<< Comment #1554 @ 05:18 CST, 16 February 2008 >>

By

Troll - Reply to #1540

the game is free, no reason not to have open beta.. and with the technical difficulties involved, it should be.

<< Comment #1543 @ 05:58 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (81-208-60-205.ip.fastwebnet.it)

From the little things I've read about the deployment method, having mods and custom maps doesn't seem very easy, but in my opinion both things listed above are a must-have if you wanna make this game last for a fairly long time. Mods such as RA3 and 3wave are still played years after their development stopped, so in my opinion the SDK could be a valuable addition to the game.

<< Comment #1545 @ 14:16 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (dsl5400FCCE.pool.t-online.hu)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8827/quakelivebetaej8.jpg

???

<< Comment #1549 @ 19:32 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (c-76-123-218-28.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) - Reply to #1545

I get a 403 - Forbidden. :C

<< Comment #1547 @ 16:09 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

naymlis - Reply to #1545

i get a 403 error

<< Comment #1548 @ 19:31 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

Clov3r - Reply to #1547

same.

<< Comment #1546 @ 15:16 CST, 13 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (dsl5400FCCE.pool.t-online.hu)

the picture suddenly appeared

<< Comment #1551 @ 01:12 CST, 14 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (dsl5400FC58.pool.t-online.hu)

www.quakelive.es

<< Comment #1559 @ 11:34 CST, 19 February 2008 >>

By

Liam - Reply to #1551

SINCE YOU REGISTERED THAT DOMAIN NAME MAYBE SYNCERROR WILL TALK TO YOU AND THEN YOU'LL END UP BEING FRIENDS AND HE'LL HIRE YOU AT ID TO DO WEBSITES THAT WOULD BE AWESOME $$$$$$$

<< Comment #1555 @ 13:46 CST, 16 February 2008 >>

By

cYmoZz

(20:26:11) (@SyncError) The logo got approved
(20:26:22) (@SyncError) and there's a news story coming out during GDC08

<< Comment #1557 @ 13:55 CST, 18 February 2008 >>

By

rahzei - Reply to #1555

which started today \o/

<< Comment #1558 @ 14:17 CST, 18 February 2008 >>

By

sonic

<guts> atleast there is a trailer and screen shots for duke nukem forever

<< Comment #1560 @ 13:34 CST, 19 February 2008 >>

By

Anonymous (83.173.182.43.dyn.user.ono.com)

Hi everyone out there!

Since this a very long thread almost everything has been said (which netcode, rail 100/80, blablabla...) but just wanted to point out a few things:

_ Gameplay

Cpma , Vq3, Ra3 mods are the best gameplays ever created; wont be difficult to include all these, even Urban Terror gameplay, in quake live. So everybody that its currently playing quake 3 becouse of any of these mods will migrate to QL.
This will also make some I_am_behing_a_box_waiting_for_u_fps or casual players eventualy play some UrbanT and lately some quake 3 (VQ3,CPM,RA,.. dont care i just think new blood is needed).
Nice anti-cheat system is also needed for this since PB sux at times (someone pointed above how pissing is updating and later getting kicked over and over).

*So an all-in-one quake 3 would be the point*

100 rail damage (a part of "the quake feeling" will be lost without this).

Defrag for the new people with some tutorials.

Q4 tournament system off course.

Q3 Weapon reload/Switch time.

Instant respawn (plz!) and new spawn system.

No random spread at all.

_ Noobs/Ranking system

In my opinnion ranking system and "noob treatment" (XDDD) are primary objetives. This is what Quake Life is about, creating a community, so community events are required.

Handicap based auto leveling system; it was great in q3 and still its. You all know how fun is playing with your friends even if they dont have a good aiming or movement technic. Its quite challenging for both parts and fun;everyone can play with everyone and still enjoy it.
Rank/stats system would help choosing which handicap you handle.

Bots for everyone. Noobs wont start hitting air rockets without them and q3dm17 and you pros will use them when no one wants to play with u. ;PPP

Game should offer and ON/OFF option for logging your matches stats; you wont allways want to record your stats online,eventough you were online. If this isnt included lots of accounts will be created since its free (but maybe you want this)

Official matches (ie Clanbase league) should have "logging on" by default ALLWAYS.

All mod stats should be displayed in different tables.Different phisics fixs/tweats make your stats vary.

*This is what Quake is, and you people, shouldnt choose just one flawour (Vainilla,Chocolate,.. ��) . All flawours are good to taste*

This guy up above has said really interesting things about this http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1499049#pid1499049

Monthly competitions handled by ID or sponsors are needed.

Rank system its gonna be hard make up imo. Shouldnt be like in trackmania (more you play online, more rank you get) this will ruin rank system. Maybe official matches could give more chances to improve your rank rather than regular online gaming.

*I think you guys at id allready have a better idea for this ;)*

_ Qtv

Every Quake maps should be a big Tv set.

It could be cool if we (players) get some kind of software to use all those cameras in demos or even live during a match. This will help editing videos and also make people that doesnt play FPS be less reticent to watch some_kind_of_TV_sports_match (more auddience).

Good pov spect system.

That guy who says EXCELENT, IMPRESSIVE should talk more (i think no one has said anything about this). Would be great that guy saying your nickname and your ennemys� when starting a match or talking a little more for the specting people.

_ GUI/Config

Highly configurable GUI. Several different GUIs should be offered by default (cpma style, osp style,..)

Highly configurable Gfx.

Config wizard. You can add this as a community feature in your webpage, will make noobs happy and help them not to learn how configs are made. You can also set players Gfx presets asking them some questions about their systems and improving their perfomance.

__ OSs supported

Quake life should be ported to any Os/System where gameplay (keyboard+mouse) reamains intact.

<< Comment #1561 @ 04:25 CST, 20 February 2008 >>

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sabre0001 - Reply to #1560

Some good ideas I have to say (disappointed that my post wasn't the link though, no plus for you :D)

Agree with pretty much everything you said...Also wouldn't mind the announcer having a bit more to say / extra rewards (for that warm fuzzy feeling) - don't think he could do all the nicknames though unless you pre-select something (like in EA Fight Night, which gets annoying after a couple of punches!).

Some key points (from yours and others):
Config - newbie friendly (either everything should be explained or it should be a step by step process)...Should also have a system like QW where configs could be imported/exported/changed and then saved from in-game

Tutorials - a must have!

Bots - need smart ones, don't necessarily have to be completely unpredictable but a step-up on the vq3 bots...Have to say I do like the arQon bot from CPMA

Would prefer quick-weapon switch personally

Frequent competitions (promising with the amount of Q3 & CPMA action of late). Don't have to be run by any one particular group though...

Most important thing is that a community needs to be built! Include new people without making them feel dumb / low skilled, it's the only way that the game can survive and thrive.

There's more but I have gotten lazy :)

<< Comment #1562 @ 13:33 CST, 20 February 2008 >>

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fur*q

I hope this does not upset anybody, but i really think picmip 5 (lego or whatever) is almost cheating and i think this should not be a possible setting in QLive. I think it sould be a very simple set of changable settings and gui only. And i think those that use pimic 5 and odd m_pitch/yaw values have been spoilt in the past.

<< Comment #1566 @ 09:55 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1562

rofl

<< Comment #1567 @ 13:28 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1566

Do you not think it reasonable to have a level playing field? I mean on picusmipus 5 you can see through explosions,shaft,plasma. It becomes less of a game and more of playing my numbers. I see this as unfair on those that like to play a game that looks like i was supposed to. As long as bright skins are decent then whats the problem? Maybe your just gay, but that's cool i'm over ~~you~~ it ; )

<< Comment #1568 @ 14:09 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1567

Nope. A homosexual would look for gfx in a Quake game, and I DON'T. Take your own conclusions.

<< Comment #1569 @ 14:24 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1568

Ok so you are a sizequeen, big deal it was a joke. what i dont get is, if none of it's about gfx then why play anything beyond tetris (yea yea diff type of game, but you know what i mean) . It would appear that you lost the fun in hf.

<< Comment #1570 @ 15:13 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1569

Man, TBH, I wouldn't really care at the end of the day if I was forced to play at full GFX, but me (and everyone that played Quake for more than a year) is so used to our heavily customized cfg that it would be very annoying, and you want to have everyone happy, which means leaving everything as it is.

<< Comment #1571 @ 15:51 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1570

Well yes i understand your point of view. But tbh i really don't care for the accomplished players and pro's as they will get on with it play and whine regaurdless. I am much more concerned about the new player (who may know-jack shit about possably any quake) having a go and getting so badly beaten, he disconnects in a shot. And as you probably already know this has been happening more and more. I mean why on earth Jolt did not just ban (for the sake of the noob) all good players from atleast one of it's public q4 servers. Sometimes you play on there and it just feels pointless tryin to fight, and i'm ok at it too. But the quake commmunity has a really fucked up stance on the state of playing quake, that kind of translates as 'if you don't like it, fuck you, your horse and fuck off'. Not really in the spirit of fun is it?

<< Comment #1572 @ 16:58 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #1571

Matchmaking will finally solve that problem. And all newbies will play with full gfx anyway (because they are newbies).

<< Comment #1573 @ 18:05 CST, 22 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1572

Yea i hope it woks. Why exactly do you play with picmip 5, i assume you do? I really think it's borderline cheating being able to see through explosions/shaft ect..Don't you? or do you atleast know what i mean?

<< Comment #1590 @ 07:11 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1571

you think newbies wouldn't get owned if other players used full graphics?

<< Comment #1591 @ 07:44 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1590

Didn't say that. New people get beaten in all walks of life, but to give an unfair advantage to someone is, well, unfair! It's just as an inexperienced q3 player myself two things really stuck out as odd/unbelievable: 1 being able to see through explosions and 2, auto rocket jumping or some bind that does some sort of maneuver for you. I mean that's fucked up.

<< Comment #1593 @ 08:44 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1591

See trough explosions wtf you on about ? If you mean the silly rectangular shape rl splash has on picmip5 I'd really like to hear your explanation as to how it helps in any way. And rj scripts, are you kidding? If you think a dumb script is better than the actual rj you can control any way you like, you clearly have a lot to learn. The only real advantage of customised cfgs is better map clarity and enemy recognition. Other than that it's just making players be able to tune their settings just exactly how they like it. Would be neat if QL had an option to chose from several predefined configs from the start, it could save new players plenty of time.

<< Comment #1594 @ 09:24 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1593

"See trough explosions wtf you on about ? If you mean the silly rectangular shape rl splash has on picmip5 I'd really like to hear your explanation as to how it helps in any way."

Well you can see through it!! So you can track the other player 100% of the time instead of being partially blinded. As for scripts, yes i may have alot to learn, but the fact you can automatic movement is realy weird imo. Yes set custon cfg's would (sort of like q4max set profiles) would be good

<< Comment #1598 @ 10:44 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1594

blinded by splash? come on... I prefer default splash over that picmiped crap any day, it's nice and round and doesn't affect your vision whatsoever. rj scripts are only useful if you have a retardedly low sens (yaw) so you can't do look down without going off the mat.

<< Comment #1600 @ 12:05 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1598

Ok hot shot, take a screen shot of the same moment in a demo or something with normal rg/gl explosion then same with picmip 5. prolly best if enemy is the other side of the explosion. I ask you coz i'm such a noob it appears. ; )

<< Comment #1602 @ 12:46 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1600

Don't need to I just played ra3 for an hour. :) honestly, rl splash covers your enemy so you can't see it? what model are you using, orbb? :)

<< Comment #1603 @ 14:20 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1602

I asked you to coz your leet (ra3 is leet only? : ), but i wil give it a try later.

<< Comment #1605 @ 15:29 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1603

I'm leet? yay

<< Comment #1597 @ 10:17 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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ini - Reply to #1593

He's correct about rj scripts

<< Comment #1628 @ 14:07 CDT, 18 March 2008 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #1593

Yeah, hes right about rj scripts. For example the one that gives you lots of forward acceleration is teh cheat imo.

<< Comment #1577 @ 03:48 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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retire - Reply to #1562

those who can set m_pitch are spoiled? sorry but that just seems like a joke, or maybe you got owned by someone who has different values? ;)

<< Comment #1578 @ 05:58 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1577

You set diff values for use on the desktop? I just see it as a very old system like picmip. But all that said q4max did agod job of crammin it all in the gui, so all should be fine.

<< Comment #1579 @ 07:05 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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ini - Reply to #1578

I don't want it on the desktop

<< Comment #1580 @ 08:06 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1579

But given the choice, what would it be?

<< Comment #1581 @ 10:47 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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ini - Reply to #1580

Why should I need to make a choice when they can easily just leave it as it is?

<< Comment #1583 @ 15:36 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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retire - Reply to #1578

I like to use a low pitch setting because the motion forward/backwards is with use of the arm (a bigger movement) rather than the small movement of the wrist (sideways).

<< Comment #1582 @ 11:01 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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deth - Reply to #1562

What if I have a tall, narrow mouse pad? Am I destined to suffer with default m_pitch values or set my sensitivity to a point where I can't aim properly in one direction because I had to make up for the other? Or should I be allowed to use m_yaw and m_pitch to alleviate the problem?

Also, your OS isn't a competitive environment, so the use of the two settings aren't as relevant. Despite that, some drivers allow you to set them independently, anyway.

Just curious to hear your answers. :)

<< Comment #1584 @ 15:45 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1582

I would suggest you that you rotate the mouse pad 90 degrees so that the logo is the right way up. Well i use XP and would say altough not a competative enviroment, i do find it a tough opponent. Look man, jokes aside. i just think that things need to be made as simple as possible and those things that are needed are in onscreen menus. I think the console should be of no benefit to the user, and there for not needed. Yaw and pitch are fine as long as they are menu driven but picmiped explosions are not acceptible ever. I almost played q4 before q3 and 50% of what i see in q3 cfg's is just pointless geeky waffle. I think it would be really nice to have a game the you could make the few important settings from menus and then go straight onto blowing each other to bits. I mean id should really have this locked down by now seing as they have been essentially making the same game over and over, no?

Edited by fur*q at 15:56 CST, 25 February 2008

<< Comment #1586 @ 17:14 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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deth - Reply to #1584

The GUI should be where the necessary settings lie, yes, possibly with general/advanced settings and precise numerical values, but the console should stay for those who like to type it out.

I do agree with certain things being picmipped, and either support picmip in the GUI with explanation or the inability to use picmipping to improve visibility with explosions/etc AKA forced cg_nomip.

I play with full graphics, in case anyone's wondering. :|

<< Comment #1587 @ 17:48 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1586

Fine, as long as the console offers no advantages. Full gfx, good for you as you prolly have better experience of how the game was ment to be.

<< Comment #1563 @ 18:30 CST, 20 February 2008 >>

By

feTzu

naked chicks.

:/

<< Comment #1564 @ 20:19 CST, 20 February 2008 >>

By

ouunp

VQ3 blows, avoid it at all costs!

<< Comment #1565 @ 06:49 CST, 21 February 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1564

it's safe to assume the opposite of whatever you do/think/say/type is win

<< Comment #1574 @ 18:09 CST, 23 February 2008 >>

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feTzu

that might already have been said, but I'm going to explain my vision on one matter: config files.

I think quake:live should give each user the ability to modify/upload it's own config files. Maybe having some kind of online text-editor allowing to modify the config online directly. Also, this "text-editor" should give the ability to save multiple files (so one can use autoexec.cfg and executes in his config, see my cfg for example). I now this doesn't sound noob-friendly, but I guess "advanced" users would really miss this feature if it isn't implanted.

This system was supposed to be added to steam (for valve's games) years ago but never came. So be the smart guys and allow users to save the hassle of importing/exporting/moving their config files from computer to computer.

<3

<< Comment #1629 @ 05:44 CDT, 21 March 2008 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #1574

good point

<< Comment #1661 @ 03:55 CDT, 16 April 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1574

or they could fix a buffer so quake doesn't go wank when your cfg is >16kb.

<< Comment #1575 @ 13:11 CST, 24 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (port-87-193-170-211.static.qsc.de)

cant be mentioned enough
-new maps
-better netcode
-q4 physiks like rocket through teleporter
-maybe crouchsliding

<< Comment #1576 @ 00:47 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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CR0C0

What I want is license free gaming competitions and lan play for this game. Make it free for any company to use the game in any way they want. Make it free for real.

<< Comment #1585 @ 17:14 CST, 25 February 2008 >>

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c3rb

- An account/player ID system, like PunkBuster ID, to track/ban cheaters, fakers, lamers etc. (what arachno1d said)
- Profile pages where players are able to enter any information about them, their clan, background history etc
- Forced updates
- CPMA netcode
- New maps (remakes are ok as long as there are not too many of them)
- Bring back all classic gametypes and maybe include some "usually-played-for-fun" runes/CTF-based variations (Lithium, One Flag CTF etc), might be interesting
- Some graphical updates (they'd need to remain relatively subtle however, no fancy GFX all over the place please)
- Make it so the spawn weapon isn't as powerful as Q3's MG is, also fix the SSG random damage spread bug, or whatever it's called
- Whatever you do, remember to do it with love <3

Thanks for reading.

<< Comment #1588 @ 21:14 CST, 26 February 2008 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #1585

"- Make it so the spawn weapon isn't as powerful as Q3's MG is"

umm go play qw?

Edited by terrorhead at 21:24 CST, 26 February 2008

<< Comment #1589 @ 06:29 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1588

calm down skippy

<< Comment #1592 @ 07:48 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1589

Is all you do, make pointless remarks like this one?

<< Comment #1596 @ 10:16 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1592

http://www.esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=26130

glass houses, eejit.

<< Comment #1601 @ 12:07 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1596

Thought so

<< Comment #1604 @ 15:27 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1601

poor trolling effort, i think you need to stick to laughable arguments over console commands :@)

<< Comment #1606 @ 17:41 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1604

At least i'm amusing.

<< Comment #1610 @ 08:13 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1606

no, you're just nonsensical and irritating - good combo m8y.

<< Comment #1611 @ 09:08 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #1610

agreed!

<< Comment #1613 @ 12:06 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1611

Haha, peas in a pod. How sweet.

<< Comment #1614 @ 12:36 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #1613

[ - ]

<< Comment #1615 @ 17:05 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #1614

Kiss kiss

<< Comment #1616 @ 04:33 CST, 1 March 2008 >>

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sonic - Reply to #1615

you're obsession is pretty scary!

<< Comment #1617 @ 08:44 CST, 1 March 2008 >>

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|nFin1teFX| - Reply to #1615

*blush*

i gotzz pluzzz... now i wantzzzzz more

<< Comment #1595 @ 09:39 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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trinion - Reply to #1585

"- An account/player ID system, like PunkBuster ID, to track/ban cheaters, fakers, lamers etc. (what arachno1d said)"

quakelive will be free and you'll be able to log in from any pc ... so how exactly are you going to do that?

Edited by trinion at 09:42 CST, 28 February 2008

<< Comment #1599 @ 11:34 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

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c3rb - Reply to #1595

Haven't played any game that required registration so I dunno how it is when it comes to this kind of stuff but simply suspend the account itself so its owner won't be able to log from anywhere at all, I suppose ?

Besides I'm not sure if it really changes anything whether a game is free or not as long as it supports accounts that admins can lock, does it ?

Edited by c3rb at 11:50 CST, 28 February 2008

<< Comment #1607 @ 17:48 CST, 28 February 2008 >>

By

Create an Battle Net Clone with Match Making System.

Spread Server Nodes all over the World and connect them that people from very far far away can play together because the connection between those master nodes will be of course really fast.

Player A (Germany) connects to Node Germany
Player B (Austria) connects to Node Austria

Both Node Germany and Austria communicate together which will provide the best possible even playing field available.

You have to overcome many major problems all fps face today:

a) IT IS HARD TO FIND A GAME
b) IT IS EVEN HARDER TO FIND THE MODE YOU WANT (1on1, 2on2, 4on4 etc.)
c) IT IS FRUSTRATING TO PLAY AGAINST SOMEONE WHO WILL KICK YOUR ASS
d) CREATE A GOOD INTERFACE
(Quake Interface sucks balls, do something like in the first Unreal Tournament)

Charge a monthly fee like WOW. As you know WOW was a massive financial success, we will pay if it the game got what it takes. Advertising through the UI like WC3/SC in battle.net seems also to be an very good idea.

If it doesnt get an good Match Making System you can just stop because nobody wants to search for players and servers through irc or some other crap.

Just look at Warcraft 3 and how they implemented Match Making, Ladder and Tournament play.

Quake 4 should have been the successor Warcraft 3 was to Starcraft in terms of Featuers and rich Match Making System.

It seems FPS lose features from every new release (look what they did to the original feature rich UT).

Go for it iD - you can do it.

<< Comment #1608 @ 01:04 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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Anonymous (89-172-228-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr)

I cut your throat whit monthly fee

<< Comment #1609 @ 03:43 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #1608

hahaha

<< Comment #1612 @ 09:29 CST, 29 February 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1608

you need a new isp. :)

<< Comment #1618 @ 04:25 CST, 8 March 2008 >>

By

Raist

This thread completely rapes my comp :(

<< Comment #1619 @ 06:20 CST, 8 March 2008 >>

By

ini

Hooney Mode from CPMA

I think this mode would be the perfect way from new players to be introduced to 1vs1 deathmatch.

You choose your spawn, the opponent chooses his and you start, from here any bad decisions or mistakes will lead to a quick death, losing the current game and then the next round starts with choosing the spawns again. It works on a "round based" set style point system, e.g Best of eleven.

Instead the new player will soon notice that doing X here = Death. The quicker the game, the more severe and ovious the mistakes and decisions will be, the longer the game the less severe and obvious mistakes are (And thus they are obviously improving).

This seems far better than losing 50-0 for weeks in 10-15minute rounds, is probably more fun for the loser and winner and is less time consuming. Since it's first to six games between massive skill gaps are quickly over and games between evenly matched can last a sufficiently enjoyable time.

<< Comment #1626 @ 21:32 CDT, 15 March 2008 >>

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murph - Reply to #1619

yo i like this idea :D hoony is fun stuff!

<< Comment #1620 @ 20:39 CDT, 13 March 2008 >>

By

erok

make it like cq3

<< Comment #1627 @ 22:13 CDT, 15 March 2008 >>

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murph

modes like cpma has: dm/duel/ TOURNEY (ala q4)/CTF/ICTF/ CA (not just ca but RA3. OFFICIAL plz.)/ IFT/AWFT/DEFRAG!!/HOONY/TEAMFORTRESS

and of course choice between PROMODE or vq3

<< Comment #1630 @ 06:49 CDT, 21 March 2008 >>

By

roach

UT3 Weapons
More Weapons + Secundairy fire.

<< Comment #1631 @ 07:28 CDT, 21 March 2008 >>

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feTzu - Reply to #1630

lame, that troll is way too obvious!

<< Comment #1632 @ 13:35 CDT, 21 March 2008 >>

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primax

8363 bottles of beer on the wall,
8363 bottles of beer,
take one down, pass it around,
8362 bottles of beer on the wall

Edited by primax at 13:37 CDT, 21 March 2008

<< Comment #1633 @ 03:17 CDT, 22 March 2008 >>

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Anonymous (78-22-141-19.access.telenet.be)

8362 bottles of beer on the wall,
8362 bottles of beer,
take one down, pass it around,
8361 bottles of beer on the wall

<< Comment #1649 @ 06:07 CDT, 11 April 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #1633

8361 bottles of beer on the wall,
8361 bottles of beer,
and if one would happen to fall
theres 8360 bottles of beer on the wall

<< Comment #1634 @ 22:08 CDT, 25 March 2008 >>

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Anonymous (ip70-173-186-159.lv.lv.cox.net)

!: It needs bots for practice, (I'm addicted to bot matches) 2: improved graphics, (if it looks exactly like Quake III what is the point?), 3: and I want a some way to make my own maps, last of all, 4: I would like it to be made on the Tech 5 engine like they originally intended.

<< Comment #1635 @ 03:18 CDT, 26 March 2008 >>

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AnthonyJ - Reply to #1634

They never intended it to be idtech 5 - that comes after QL.

<< Comment #1636 @ 06:58 CDT, 26 March 2008 >>

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- Like in HalfLife, the ability to spray a logo.
I liked that, was very funny!

- Custom Color Models.
So each team can design its own uniform.

- Advanced control in spectator mode: turn on/off enemy/team models etc.

<< Comment #1637 @ 12:49 CDT, 26 March 2008 >>

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TelMarine - Reply to #1636

I'd have to say nay on the spray painting. Too much goatse gets thrown around.

<< Comment #1651 @ 08:18 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1636

whats the use for making own uniforms when 99.9% uses forcemodels ?

<< Comment #1655 @ 13:44 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

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arachno1d - Reply to #1651

for spectators or for team models,
just an idea that came to my mind ...

<< Comment #1638 @ 12:50 CDT, 26 March 2008 >>

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hgk

don't make another q4 out of it.

<< Comment #1639 @ 07:13 CDT, 27 March 2008 >>

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vicek

it is gonna be an epic fail

<< Comment #1640 @ 07:14 CDT, 27 March 2008 >>

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wari

open up the matchmaking system so that the q4 community can use it as well for q4.

<< Comment #1641 @ 14:59 CDT, 27 March 2008 >>

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TUMULT

http://www.warsow.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid...1101566491

<< Comment #1643 @ 09:15 CDT, 5 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (tvwt-ip-ccache-1-vif1.saix.net)

this is something quake live has to have, because there is a lot of people that only have 1gig international cap and then 29gig or more local only. now the proplem is if the 1gig of the international is gone they wont be able to play ql becuase it uses a browser like steam that has to connect somewhere overseas, then they will move back to q3 or something that doesnt have to load stuff like that and soon ql will lose a lot of people due to this. dont know if it makes anysense to someone else that i just said, but im not very good with stuff like this so soz if you dont understand

<< Comment #1645 @ 12:14 CDT, 6 April 2008 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1643

people in 3rd world countries don't matter anyway

<< Comment #1652 @ 08:21 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

By

randomness666 - Reply to #1645

:D

<< Comment #1656 @ 14:38 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

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Linchpin - Reply to #1645

T_T *cries*

<< Comment #1644 @ 10:50 CDT, 5 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (privat-54179421.gavlenet.com)

Make it for MAC OS X!

<< Comment #1646 @ 18:16 CDT, 6 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (pool-208-253-96-83.3wlogic.net)

I guess my biggest concern is how this will affect existing mods using the GPL'd Q3 src (I know several teams that have fixed various netcode bugs and glitches that were in the src code)...though thats a sort of weird issue...but I could see things coming up where someone won't play mods because they aren't willing to buy Q3 because they think of it as free or something...but again...I'm thinking oddly here.

Any plans to GPL the src to this?

<< Comment #1647 @ 06:21 CDT, 8 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (212.155.238.154)

Tbh, have the threewave software team come up with yet another great MP feature.

These guys have done a great job with their Q3 project.

Apart from that:
- Good netcode
- Better GFX, keep the gothic & gore style!
- keep the fun i.e. q3 like fun scenes where guys can get stuck between rockets and grens or being bumped in the air, then sucking on a rox ... stuff like that makes me lmfao all the time even if my model had to suffer. KEEP THE FALLING DAMAGE AND THE POSSBILE GIB AFTER FALLING WITH LOW HP xD
- server sided votable cvars for different gametypes, game features like fallingdamage, selfdamage, pm1 movement etc.
- different servers with different gametypes to not have to vote everything all the time
- good server browser (I love All Seeing Eye, simple, fast, reliable, friend list, add custom servers, grab servers from masterserver list)
- Keep the weapons as they were in Q3, maybe introduce additional
- Keep up the good ambient sounds
- INCLUDE CTF GAMETYPES AND MAPS!
- Boycot punkbuster! They have killed a lot of fun since the piece of shit isn't working without laging the game. Also the constant updating procedure just sucks! Include anti-hax / anti-cheat protection though.
- Improve the hitbox, maybe headshot possibilities
- Keep the Q3 feel please (gore, gothic, ambient sounds, gibs, movement possibilities, weapon movement possibilities like rocket jump, plasma climb, commentator voice screaming holy shit, impressive and the like)

Dunno more off the top of me hat

<< Comment #1653 @ 08:24 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #1647

headshits in quake = epic fail.

<< Comment #1657 @ 15:20 CDT, 13 April 2008 >>

By

deth - Reply to #1653

haha headshits :D

<< Comment #1648 @ 15:44 CDT, 10 April 2008 >>

By

Kaloos

PLZ include CPM & vq3 gameplay for people who dislike vq3's movements :<

<< Comment #1650 @ 10:14 CDT, 11 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-088-073-071-149.pools.arcor-ip.net)

The high ground acceleration in q4 rocks
please keep it!

<< Comment #1658 @ 14:30 CDT, 15 April 2008 >>

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dontwantlifestopit - Reply to #1650

Keep it? This is a quake 3 remake.

<< Comment #1659 @ 15:33 CDT, 15 April 2008 >>

By

cyronix '

make it playable on non gaming computers (like my mac mini) or for the nintendo wii, otherwise I won't play it.

<< Comment #1660 @ 18:12 CDT, 15 April 2008 >>

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fazz

Matchmaking matchmaking matchmaking, that will keep new players playing. Gameplay whatever aslong as its something like q3, cpma, warsow or q4.

<< Comment #1662 @ 16:59 CDT, 16 April 2008 >>

By

Troll

id software don't make games, they make secrets. zzz

<< Comment #1663 @ 22:11 CDT, 17 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (host86-149-230-91.range86-149.btcentralplus.com)

I hope its like excessive plus but i think i will be disappointed.
If it don't have grenade jumping i wont like it ;)
as for the old maps - just keep q3dm6, and please no fog stuff

not sure who will play this - will certainly be interesting to see how it turns out. the q3 community will still play q3 surely? i know i will.

keep console and cfgs please.

<< Comment #1664 @ 22:33 CDT, 17 April 2008 >>

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zeicon

agree with fazz, matchmaking is where's it at.

<< Comment #1665 @ 23:39 CDT, 17 April 2008 >>

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num3

This thread is closing in to the 1700th reply so i think ill give it a shot.

- Fill the GUI with important options and settings just like fov, picmip etc...
- 3wave CTF maps!!!
- MVDs with slow motion, pause, ff and rev
- GTV like that the viewer can control his view
- Bright colored weapons
- Bright skins with details. Just like the razor's green skin in the promo shots. (keeps things interresting for high quality graphic players) http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mediaha5.jpg
- I would like some CPM physics
- Lots of tutorials, tips and tricks about timing, movements, combats... to keep new commers interrested in the game and try to make them more

The rest i can think of are either too obvious (good netcode plz (CPMA's) or already announced (matchmaking).

EDIT: It would also be cool to see a partnership with the MLG/Gamebattles (Gamebattles is the mlg's online ladder for seedings in events) since its the best structured league out there. It would widen both mlg's and id's audience. They have good broadcasting already in place with shoutcasting from ESPN. I would like to see some quake3 top 10 like they did with halo3... Someone did a post about QLive on the MLG forums and ppl seem interested even if it isnt on the 360. The only reason i would see it fail is that the mlg would not like to be unable to control CFGs. Its also north america only... Anyway... that would be a HUGE kick off for qlive...

Edited by num3 at 09:58 CDT, 18 April 2008

<< Comment #1666 @ 10:23 CDT, 18 April 2008 >>

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Adel

-Quake3 cpma physics
-Quake4 Croush Slide
-Bunny and other moves of course =]
-BrightSkin
-Tutorials (good for noobs)

<< Comment #1667 @ 09:43 CDT, 19 April 2008 >>

By

sonic

needs more lol

<< Comment #1668 @ 06:48 CDT, 21 April 2008 >>

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Anonymous (212.155.238.70)

vsays with radio voices like in threewave are very funny and add to the games atmosphere.

Maybe it could be implemented as well?

<< Comment #1669 @ 09:55 CDT, 21 April 2008 >>

By

erok

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GIVE ME BACK THE 1.32 TRUE LG, THIS OLD 1.16 looking one is just ugly fugly and needs to diaf, being a truelg 1 user this makes me wanna throw my monitor through a wall :(

<< Comment #1670 @ 05:28 CDT, 26 April 2008 >>

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son1dow

By the way, why not do /cg_fov 110 by default? Because 90 is just awful...

<< Comment #1671 @ 02:07 CDT, 28 April 2008 >>

By

Aquashark '

bump & lmao @ this thread

<< Comment #1672 @ 05:56 CDT, 28 August 2008 >>

By

tzz

is there anybody out there?

<< Comment #1674 @ 07:19 CDT, 28 August 2008 >>

By

[mash] - Reply to #1672

who hears me crying.
i'm dying.

<< Comment #1673 @ 07:10 CDT, 28 August 2008 >>

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Aquashark '

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<< Comment #1675 @ 07:48 CDT, 29 October 2008 >>

By

Nicky

1681 comments

<< Comment #1676 @ 06:40 CST, 3 February 2009 >>

By

hejduk

bump

<< Comment #1677 @ 08:38 CST, 3 February 2009 >>

By

luKrek

Yeah this needs a BUMP

<< Comment #1678 @ 18:27 CST, 3 February 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (123.133.125.91.rb6.adsl.brightview.com)

Unlagged / CPMA NETCODE.

Well I never played CPMA but InstaUnlagged had the best netcode I ever played with.

2.5 MB page heh

<< Comment #1679 @ 02:26 CST, 4 February 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (c-68-47-225-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)

so..has this game been dropped like a good habit, or are they gonna release it any time....ever?

id, comeon....whens the "when its done again" gonna be? it was already "done" 9 years ago...

<< Comment #1681 @ 13:35 CDT, 22 March 2009 >>

By

dansen

.

<< Comment #1682 @ 15:21 CDT, 22 March 2009 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #1681

solid bump

<< Comment #1683 @ 00:52 CST, 14 November 2010 >>

By

Ah, the anticipation, the hope there once was. Such fragility. Such beauty.

Ah, the countless tears, the broken dreams of the present. Such failure. Such ugliness.

The dream...

...is dead.

<< Comment #1684 @ 01:37 CST, 14 November 2010 >>

By

Dynamix - Reply to #1683

As if you bumped this you utter spastic.

<< Comment #1685 @ 11:50 CST, 14 November 2010 >>

By

lukee - Reply to #1684

u mad bro?

<< Comment #1686 @ 11:53 CST, 14 November 2010 >>

By

Dynamix - Reply to #1685

:D

<< Comment #1687 @ 01:47 CDT, 26 June 2012 >>

By

JS3>*

oh LOL

<< Comment #1688 @ 08:45 CST, 16 January 2013 >>

By

slowi

hi

<< Comment #1689 @ 08:50 CST, 16 January 2013 >>

By

donka ' - Reply to #1688

[-]

<< Comment #1690 @ 12:36 CST, 16 January 2013 >>

By

slowi - Reply to #1689

[+]

<< Comment #1691 @ 12:40 CST, 16 January 2013 >>

By

palatka - Reply to #1690

.

Edited by palatka at 12:40 CST, 16 January 2013

<< Comment #1694 @ 02:13 CST, 17 January 2013 >>

By

slowi - Reply to #1691

,

<< Comment #1692 @ 12:41 CST, 16 January 2013 >>

By

Earthsea

Wait what the fuck was the topic

<< Comment #1693 @ 12:49 CST, 16 January 2013 >>

By

d1z :

top left

Edited by d1z at 12:50 CST, 16 January 2013

<< Comment #1695 @ 05:13 CST, 17 January 2013 >>

By

ipx!

.

<< Comment #1696 @ 10:50 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

gatsby

what was it about?

<< Comment #1697 @ 11:04 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

son1dow - Reply to #1696

What should Quake Zero (QL's name before domain got stolen) have or something like that.

<< Comment #1698 @ 11:28 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

sharpe

Is this ESRs biggest post ?

<< Comment #1699 @ 11:30 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

ollir - Reply to #1698

I think bst's mouse thread might be bigger

<< Comment #1701 @ 15:16 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

pet_cia_mole - Reply to #1699

When will it be available?

<< Comment #1702 @ 17:13 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

Hadeskaya - Reply to #1698

As far as I can remember :

Sombra banned for life - 1567 posts
This one - 1705 posts
bst 's mouse - 2005 posts
100,000 BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL... - 2587 posts (locked)

Edited by Hadeskaya at 17:14 CST, 13 February 2013

<< Comment #1703 @ 09:53 CST, 14 February 2013 >>

By

sharpe - Reply to #1702

forgot this :P

ZEROQL CAUGHT CHEATING
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2137516

<< Comment #1700 @ 11:56 CST, 13 February 2013 >>

By

megaman3

This thread was so good.

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